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There is a politically dominant and longstanding narrative by the Left in America (and Europe) that the overwhelming fraction of the world’s Muslims have no intrinsic hatred of the west and America.  In the aggregate these Muslims are supposed to be peaceful and quite sanguine about the west, and they have no sympathy with the ragheads that are massacring everyone within reach while giving Islam a bad name.  Until they kill, they are to be viewed as any other cultural and/or ethnic population that has come to these shores and assimilated into the Americans next door.

Well, that narrative was proven wrong by the videos and surveys of the Arab street right after 9/11 and doubly so since that time.  (Trump claims we now have a video that shows Muslims on the New Jersey shore celebrating the burning World Trade Center towers before they came crashing down.)  The anti-western behavior of European Muslims in and out of their enclaves is a matter of record.  The polls surveying the sentiment of Muslims living in the west continually show that a majority support 1) violence against the west if it does not accept Islam, and 2) Muslims allowed to rule their enclaves under sharia while demanding concessions from the neighboring western communities on matters they hold disrespectful to Islam.  RR has reported on these survey results before.

Today the post-Paris news about Muslim sentiment in Europe continues to bear out that the ‘peaceful Muslims’ volubly support attacks by ISIS and other radical Islam organizations against the west.   To make the point Fox News showed chilling videos of young military age Muslims in Brussels sitting at an outdoor café and calmly telling a reporter that they and theirs wholeheartedly supported the Paris massacre declaring that such attacks are justified as long the west opposes the spread of Islam.

In the meantime over two out of three Americans think that Obama has a flawed foreign policy and is not doing enough to secure the country from radical Islam.  Our president is in terminal denial about the threat to America and the west, and has no intention whatsoever of changing his benign stance on Islam and its ‘religion of peace’.  His solution is to allow tens of thousands of unvetted Muslims into the country as quickly as possible to accelerate the Left's plan to fundamentally transform America.  And as with preventable global warming, the debate about the growing war between the civilizations in his mind is also over.

The Republicans want to bring this war to the attention of Americans in their election year campaigning.  But it turns out again and again that a catastrophically large body (most?) of our voting age citizens have little or no idea what is going on in the world.  They don’t know the middle east from Middle Earth.  They literally know nothing of American or world history.  Today it is cheap and saddening entertainment to stick a mike into someone’s face on a city sidewalk and ask him the simplest question about our government, history, American traditions, … .  When it comes time evaluate a candidate's statements about ANYTHING to do with public policy save promises to increase their entitlements, they are babes in the woods – totally unarmed between the ears.  Union dominated public schools have taken a toll on our body politic that today is literally beyond comprehension.

[29nov15 update]  Woke up this morning to an interesting NPR interview with five American Muslims in their twenties.  They all showed concern about how incidents like the recent Paris massacres affect relations with Muslims in this country.  None of them claimed that the jihadists were doing something that is foreign to Islam.  And none claimed that hatred of the west was unique to insignificant minorities in Islam.  On the contrary, they all seemed to agree that Islam is NOT a homogenous belief system or religion; that there are many kinds of Muslims with antipathies and interpretations of the Quran that range from the Wahhabis of the Arabian peninsula to moderates in America who barely practice their faith.  And they definitely agreed that ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Iran are part of Islam and practicing the more violent versions of their faith.  One young college graduate underlined this by saying it is “foolish” not to admit these large militant groups (and the nation of Iran) into the global Islamic community.

These reasonable sentiments and interpretations from practicing Muslims kinda knocks into a cocked hat the crap that liberals here and elsewhere have been preaching to the rest of us about their vast knowledge of what Islam really is.  But then we already knew of what they were full.

A more important takeaway from that interview corroborated the asymmetry of Islam vs Christianity.  One young lady attempted to describe the human bond that exists between Muslims and Christians by describing the aftermath of what happened after a devastating fire in their mosque.  Local Christian groups pitched in to help rebuild, and in the interval invited the Muslims to worship in their churches and fellowship halls.  Yes, that is not an unusual Christian response these days.  But what all of them seemed to have missed is that such an outreach is always one-sided.  How many Muslim congregations have invited Christians, whose churches have been burned by Islamic mobs, to worship in their mosques?  How many of those Muslims have offered to help rebuild the destroyed churches?

And here is some new information from columnist Mark Steyn on the Jersey shore celebrations.  H/T to reader for this heads up.

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77 responses to “The denial of broad-based Muslim sentiment (updated 29nov15)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    Well Stevie,,, There HAS been a big hissy fit about data bases for “refugees”. It’s all sorts of wrong!(according to bleeding heart LIBS)
    Yet gun owners “need to be tracked!” Background checks! MORE (ha)”common sense” gun laws.
    YOU have even said as much. LIBS want “O” to go around Congress to enact them.
    OHHHHhhh. But not when it comes to opening the nation’s door to GOD knows who.
    France gut got bit in the ass for doing just that.
    Never mind the flood of illegals that have been let in and shipped all over the country.
    I bet there is no data base on those. (Now they can’t even find most of them when they don’t show for immigration hearings.)

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  2. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    You mean like all those teenage gang members from central America who did not show up for ICE court under their claimed names? Those asylum seekers? The ones they have no idea where to contact them, that list? LOL!

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  3. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The Canadian liberal party has just revised its election promise to bring in 30,000 Syrian refugees at the cost of 250 million. Now the plan is NO military age single men which translates to a goal of 10,000 refugees this year and to house them at military bases pending full clearance at the cost of 650 million bucks. Sounds like sanity is breaking out in the left up north but its still costs 3 times as much for a third of the projected numbers.

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  4. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben E at 5:43 – Insults folks and then posts a cut and paste bit of Iranian history already known.
    Point?
    The good Lord only knows.
    BTW – Mosaddeq ‘nationalized’ a good bit more than natural resources. He was no better than some one like Chavez in Venezuela. Free stuff for everyone for a while and then other people’s money runs out and then the bloodshed starts.

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  5. fish Avatar
    fish

    “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.”
    You should have that tattooed on the backs of your typing hands.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ben Emery is off his meds. Give him some latitude. Like around the Pacific Islands. LOL!

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I listened to the interview Frisch, first hand. It is not as the “reporters” have passed along. You too can listen to it. Even GeorgeB got that wrong.

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  8. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 25 November 2015 at 06:54 PM
    Another Toddism, “I listened to the interview,” so I reject the direct quotes. I posted the direct quotes; you want to go find a version of the interview that is different please post it.
    Note: I also did a pretty good job up there of noting that Trump has not been clear, and you are just ignoring that.
    Todd, you live in a fact free zone.

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  9. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Ben, don’t you get it, if a President is democratically elected, and takes action that is contrary to American interests, even if it completely legal under international law, then we can just depose them, as we did Mosaddeq, Jacobo Arbenz, Qasim in Iraq in 1960, Ngo Dinh Diem, Papandreou, Salvador Allende.
    Oh, I know you get it……

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Frisch, your facts are untrue. Get real. Go listen to the interview. You rely on bogus libs like yourself who make it up. My goodness you are so lazy.

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    That’s right Frisch, we have to destroy the village to save it. Maybe you and bennie should interview some Iranians who escaped. I have. You libs are so judgmental about your own country. I would suspect you may be a fifth columnist and that is not a writer.

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  12. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 25 November 2015 at 07:29 PM
    Seriously Todd I have Iranian friends and have probably known more Iranian immigrants to the US then you have ever seen on TV. They agree almost to a person that Iran was lost when Mosaddeq was deposed. Sure they hate the Ayatollahs and supported the Shah over them, but they did not love the Shah either. They wanted to be secular and western and their chance was Mosaddeq in their opinion.
    I love that, “Frisch, your facts are untrue.”
    You can prove me wrong Todd, you can disprove the quotes in the source I linked to otherwise you sound like Pee Wee Herman.

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Yes I know, you always have more of this or that. You are so full of it. Iranians here escaped the Ayatollah and now we see women as chattel there again as it was before the Shah. The fact that you claim knowledge of some Iranians tells me you are simply jealous others may know more than you about a topic. Go back to sleep, you are out of your league here.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Iranians have made good citizens, I must admit. Well, they are industrious and keep themselves well groomed. A nice looking race, them Persians. Good people. Known many of them in the cities and in Vancouver, BC
    Hey, Ben, Steve, Walt, everybody. Happy Turkey Day! Here is a bonus. I leave you all with a solution to the ISIS annoyance. Ben will love it from the union angle, and everyone from Lib to Rightwingers will find something they can live with. Now, why didn’t one of us think of it?
    http://news.yahoo.com/forget-anonymous-mafia-ready-isis-183319273.html

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  15. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    So Frisch is now championing the pumping of petroleum and it’s sale and widespread use? I thought we weren’t supposed to do that. That’s what Mosaddeq
    was doing. So Mosaddeq does it and it’s wonderful. Standard Oil does it and it’s evil. Some day, you lefties might figure out a story that makes sense and doesn’t contradict itself inside 2 sentences.
    But I doubt it.

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  16. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    I participate as does the everyday commenter does, full of insults and talking past everybody. I learned trying to have a constructive dialogue here is not possible. Maybe with George and Bill (if you can take his sense of humor, which I can) an actual discourse can take place but with the peanut gallery such as yourself it is virtually impossible. The link is to a book tat goes into the history of Mosaddeq and the CIA coup in 1953. At least Todd, Bill, and yourself were trying to compare the Shah vs. Ayatollah Khomeini. All of you know that is not Paul’s position. You guys beat the stuffing out of a straw man. That is why you guys are a bunch of pea-brains. Complex issue means change the subject to a black and white straw man issue.
    This coup and overthrow of democratically elected leaders for the benefit of US industry has been taking place since the late 19th Century for the USA. There has been at least 35 since 1950 and many more failed attempts in that same time frame.
    The worst part about all this is you guys support much of it. The other part that is funny is it goes against three major pillars of what Fab Five preach; free market capitalism(state backed winners and losers), freedom(economic), and liberty(civil/ natural rights).
    Dedication
    Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, USMC
    1881 – 1940
    double recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor
    “I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country’s most agile military force–the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was part of a racket all the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service.”
    Smedley D. Butler (1881-1940)
    War is a Racket
    http://www.warisaracket.org/racket.html

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hey, the Supreme Leader says the US is using sex and drugs to infiltrate Iran. Yo, Big Cheese in Tehran, you got 2 out of 3 spot on. Now, let me introduce you to #3 the real evil. Reach forth thy hand and meet Rock-n-Roll. Rock-n-roll and rodeo are synonymous.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-25-10-01-43

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Latest Iowa Poll. On the issue of Syrian refugees coming here: Dems 6-1 in favor, Republicans 5-1 opposed. Top priority issue: Climate Change, Dems 15%, Repubs Zero %.
    Looks like The Feds have spoken. States can’t refuse Syrians….unless they drop out of the Resettlement Program? or face suspension. Oh no!, not suspension.
    http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/291171360/Letter-from-federal-Office-of-Refugee-Resettlement-about-Syrian-refugees

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  19. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Everybody have a great tofu turkey first peoples day. No, I am just kidding have a Happy Thanksgiving!
    A good message from Mavis Staples
    Mavis Staples – In Christ There Is No East Or West
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAsE-89wNWQ

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, this makes sense. If an asylum seeker is denied asylum, he/she must cooperate in being repatriated. They are not entitled to unconditional food and shelter after being denied. Conditional is a nice word.
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/dutch-court-rules-migrants-food-shelter-not-unconditional-091358289.html

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  21. Neobiognosis Avatar
    Neobiognosis

    If you intend to give the impression that your are a fascist in the image you have posted of yourself, it can only be confirmed by the racist hatred portrayed in your post.
    A Fox news interview with a few youth in a Brussels is not a reflection of European muslims.
    I have been to Brussels. I am part of a community with a substantial muslim minority. I teach muslim children. I have muslim friends.
    The reality is you are ignorant of the people about which you make such outrageous sweeping racist generalisations. You are ignorant of the reality of the situation on the streets of Europe, and the middle east.
    The fact that ignorant people like yourself have access to post such detritus on the internet is a sad indictment of the society from which you come..
    Effectively your are taking the steps towards the gas chambers of German Fascism. Do not expect right minded people to accept your rubbish! All the muslims I have as friends stand head and shoulders above the small minded attitudes you seem to have displayed here.
    The picture is far more complicated than the simple minded small town explanations you seem to be offering. Things are no where near as simple as you make them out to be, and your claims on numbers are way out opinion with no root in reality.

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  22. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Neobiognosis | 26 November 2015 at 02:10 PM
    I suppose it’s only appropriate that you serve up this scatter brained word salad on Thanksgiving. Run along now….scurry back to the “Grauniad” where you will find an eager audience for your silliness!
    (Christ….do any of you neo-lefty dimwits know what a fascist is?)

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Neoignoramus @ sucks to be you pm
    Images he says. Image you have posted of yourself? Ah, you wish is my commando.
    http://patriotpost.us/posts/38984
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/756398517827521/?type=3&theater
    Happy Thanksgiving to you, I just love your justifiable anger, makes you look a lot less of a tampon. Enjoy your turkey. Peace out bro, dig your fro.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Neobiognosis | 26 November 2015 at 02:10 PM
    This is the idiot who came after me on my “climate change” column in the Union a while back. He is on the FB under the same name. This idiot said he was an expert in “climate change” and of course I should not be allowed to post about it. He then back and forthed me for days on FB. He is your typical leftwingnut fool. I pummeled him really well about AGW and he finally gave up and ran to hide under his rock. He is from Chicago I think.

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yeah, Neopignomyious is good at blowing smoke. He seems knowledgeable enough, enough to be a peaceful Afgan devotee of The Great Pediphile Prophet, dutifully following in his cult leader’s exact footsteps with great satisfaction. Defend this, oh enlightened one.
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?referer&_r=1

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  26. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So there is an old bio gnosis? ;-)LOL

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  27. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben at 10:38 “The worst part about all this is you guys support much of it.”
    Ben – you have as much evidence that I support that as I have that you support child molestation. I’m getting pretty tired of your fabricated BS. Give us facts and quotes or give it up.
    Paul tried a cheap ‘gotcha’ and I called him out.
    I am quite aware of the modern history of the mid east and most of the rest of the world for that matter. You lefties have a really childish attitude that if we don’t agree with your opinions, then we are ignorant of science/history/religion/whatever.
    Grow up.

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