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Sandbox – 16nov15

16 November 2015

[This sandbox is dedicated to the timely urgings of Mr William Tozer, Esq. gjr]

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153 responses to “Sandbox – 16nov15”

Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

Jon, there is a great non profit under the umbrella of United Way that works with adults to learn English. Chinese, Mexicans, all adults. It’s important that they learn enough English to help their kids with homework if nothing else.
You know, about this Refugeefrom an thang, here’s my two cents.
A) the best and brightest have connections and they left Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey long ago on a jet plane, not a boat. These are the residents we all know and like pretty much. Upper middle class.
B). From a decades LA Times article, a story. Interview with a Chinese couple. The parents are watching their kids at MacDonalds playing around outside after eating their Happy Meals. The father said “We are Chinese, are children are American. Point is, let’s see how the next generation of Islamics (Muslims if you insist) assimilates into our culture with out freedoms and liberties. So far, all the immigrants kids I know are Americans or hip to the lingo, all except the Islamics. They are different that most immigrants in that sense. With them, it’s “birds of a feather stick together.” Too bad they aren’t like some old weirdo Mormon cult practicing the one guy 11 wives thing quietly in the desert away from everybody. No, the Islamics like the metro, but have no tolerance for the metro-sexuals.
C). Put everything on hold until a real vetting takes place.

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fish

18 November 2015

Hey…..it’s Chicagos version of “Lysistrata”.
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/national/50897327-story

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fish

18 November 2015

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 18 November 2015 at 10:14 AM
What you describe William is the concept of “wilderness” zones that Muslim political theorists encourage. The establishment of enclaves within the larger society. After that all they need to do is collect public benefits, breed and wait until the demographics shift in their favor. That’s what is happening in Europe right now. Feckless lefty pols desperate to try and yoke the youth from middle eastern society in an attempt to prop up their welfare state just a bit longer.

“The European values that require Europe to commit suicide are about ideology, not language, culture or nationhood. But the incoming migrants don’t share that ideology. They have their own Islamic values.
Why should 23-year-old Mohammed work for four decades so that Hans or Fritz across the way can retire at 61 and lie on a beach in Mallorca? The idea that Mohammed would ever want to do such a thing out of love for Europe was a silly fantasy that European governments fed their worried citizens.
Mohammed doesn’t share European values. Nor are they likely to take hold of him no matter how often the aging teachers, who hope he gets a job and subsidizes their retirement, try to drill them into his head. Europeans expect Mohammed to become a Swede or a German as if he were some child they had adopted from an exotic country and raised as their own, and work to subsidize their European values.
The Muslim migrants are meant to be the retirement plan for an aging Europe. They’re supposed to keep its ramshackle collection of economic policies, its welfare states and social programs rolling along.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260511/death-europe-daniel-greenfield

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George Rebane

18 November 2015

fish 1027am – An excellent on the mark commentary. Yes, it is those sentiments that make for the Islamic colonization of Europe long asserted in these pages.

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Jon

18 November 2015

re: vetting of refugees, I think that 18 months of intense (and more intense than ever now) scrutiny, interviews, and then more scrutiny by the UN and the USA authorities is adequate to find out of anyone is an ISIS sympathizer or fighter. Our ratio of home grown terrorists to innocents is much higher in the current general US population.

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Don Bessee

18 November 2015

Ah yes a good laugh before lunch is a good thing, thanks again for the ongoing giggles the ‘jon’. The Daily Mail did an analysis of the recent ISIS arrests in the US. Of the 66 examined there were a number of muslims who had the magnificent background check for refugee status. They were as you would guess from places like Somalia, Yemen and Bosnia like the Boston bombers. The 2k Syrians already let in were half male. A quarter were of military service age. Almost no Christians in the mix. You and 0 have been generating a lot unintended laughs with your widows and 3 year olds crap. 😉

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Gregory

18 November 2015

Tsk, tsk… from Ben:

“[I] would say I have the highest education in politics by being a lifelong activists [sic] that has participated in the democratic process at the ground level for nearly 30 decades[sic].”

Let me translate literally from the benemeryese: Ben sees himself double and has been rabble rousing for 300 years.
Ben, it’s obvious your corpora are local progressive activists and organizations… making you a progressive corporatist, needing authortarian corporatists as your foil in much the same way Ingsoc needed the Brotherhood and Emmanual Goldstein, and if you didn’t understand you might be light in the education department you wouldn’t have concocted a story you were a Nursing student with an A average when you were running for elected office yourself.
Personally, I’ve never aspired to be “an activist” but I’ve never missed voting (besides a couple minor local polls in the 30+ years ago), and not one of my votes (starting in 1972) was in a GOP primary because I’ve never been a Republican or a conservative. I’ve also rarely been shy about sharing my opinion on a political matter.
I did get one particularly bad plan killed with one letter copied to all the county supes. The commissioner (an advertiser in Pelline’s glossy pennysaver) whose pet project then got nowhere tried to provoke a fistfight outside the commission meeting where it got tabled by huffing and puffing and rushing right up to within inches of my face… several times. I just smiled, hoping he’d actually hit me on the steps of the Rude Center: a revenue opportunity for me, political oblivion for him. He did later call to apologize and capitulate and we met for coffee the next day.
This is an old back and forth… a quote and a link:
“I am not crazy but do have hatred for what the democrats and republicans have done to our state and nation through partisanship and corruption.”
Ben, 5/3/12 7:53AM
http://www.rlcrabb.com/culture-2/inept-v-insane-symbiosis/#comment-863
Ben, you still need to work on the hate thing.
Yes, Jon, “undereducated ideologues” can be applied to some of the right wingers here, but they don’t attack me as reliably as Ben does. It also wasn’t unwitting.

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George Rebane

18 November 2015

re Jon’s 1125am – Pray, how do we in 2016 admit 10K Syrian migrants recently arrived on Greek shores when by Team Obama’s own copy we are assured that they will take at least 18-24 months to vet each one as they become aware of their application to immigrate here???
And that question does not even consider what CIA Director Brennan and FBI Director Comy testified to Congress that we literally have no means of getting, let alone vetting, background data on these Muslims. The only ones claiming otherwise are the liars at 1600 Pennsylvania. It is especially instructive to watch the attempted calmatives delivered by Deputy WH Security Adviser Ben Rhodes who is their shill du jour on this issue.

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Jon

18 November 2015

Don, pretty funny to read your figures pulled out of your rear today, but they are in the end- just awfully smelly and awfully dishonest. I’ll focus on honest data showing the overwhelming ratio of homegrown terrorists to migrant or refugee terrorists.

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Jon

18 November 2015

Nothing to see here in our age of global “cooling”. Somehow the extreme all-time heat records keep happening, month after month. But not to worry…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/october-heat-record_564b9f80e4b045bf3df1864b

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Gregory

18 November 2015

Imagine Paris style mayhem in LA, ‘Frisco, Seattle, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Boston, Philadelphia, New York, Atlantic City and Atlanta. That would take 100 total. Given one estimate that only 2% of the refugees are IS (an estimate that could be off by a factor of 10), that would take a total of 5000 refugees to expect to do that with only refugee participants, ignoring they’d probably be focused on radicalizing folks already here. We’ve accepted nearly 2000 Syrians in the last four years and El Presidente has vowed another 9 thou or so in the next year.
Do the math.

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Brad C.

18 November 2015

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/brand-new-ac-130-ghostrider-a-total-loss-after-going-in-1743122173
Cheap ass plane. How do expect them to dogfight if the thing cannot handle some G’s 😉

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George Rebane

18 November 2015

re Gregory’s 109pm – for those wanting to do some serious math on the potential for a virulent Muslim fifth column in the United States, I invite you to review the statistics in this post.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/06/the-tangled-threads-of-our-times.html

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Jon

18 November 2015

Gregory, only problem is that there is no verifiable statistic showing anywhere close to 2% of the refugees being ISIS. No way, no how.

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Gregory

18 November 2015

“Jon” (is it the FUE himself or is it MA?) just had to go to AGW after losing yet another exchange.
Sorry Jon, but it’s a known El Nino year and the bump in temps has been expected, not from CO2 forcing in the atmosphere but excess heat from the oceans from which the effect was named by 19th century Peruvian fishermen. By the satellite datasets it is far from the biggest anomaly in even the last 30+ years, and it will come crashing back down next spring. Perhaps into a real cooling phase as it’s feeding right into a major solar minimum.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_October_2015_v6.png
http://services.swpc.noaa.gov/images/solar-cycle-sunspot-number.gif
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/12/new-paper-predicts-another-little-ice.html
The two major satellite datasets agree with each other and the four major radiosonde datasets. The terrestrial datasets are all heavily homologised by their tenders who are all heavily vested in the computer models (often from the same groups) they expect their data to match. A formula for groupthink.

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Don Bessee

18 November 2015

Don’t fret the ‘jon’ its only your breath your smelling. Yes the fact checking on 0’s claim of widows and 3 year olds is a real problem for your narrative just like the Daily Mail analysis. In the absence of any rational response you go all dark lord of liberal lament land on us again. LOL

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Don Bessee

18 November 2015

Let me toss a little troll chow the ‘jons’ way that’s sure to induce some more stuttering babblings. The pansuited one is down 10+ points to 4 different Republicans today.

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Todd Juvinall

18 November 2015

I wonder if the government will do as good a job vetting the Syrians as they do with counting and finding all those “people in the shadows” hanging here for so many years. Anyone? Hey anyone?

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Jon

18 November 2015

uh oh… Gentle Ben Carson not so good on his US geography. Kinda embarrassing actually. This on the heels of his foreign policy advisor laying out his lack of comprehension in the devastating NYY piece yesterday. Uh oh. Gifted hands perhaps, but no so gifted in other areas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/18/ben-carsons-campaign-made-a-u-s-map-and-put-a-bunch-of-states-in-the-wrong-place/

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Gregory

18 November 2015

Think what evil creeps liberals would be if their plans to enfeeble the individual, exhaust the economy, impede the rule of law, and cripple national defense were guided by a coherent ideology instead of smug ignorance.
P. J. O’Rourke

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George Rebane

18 November 2015

re Gregory’s 307pm – and there are still some who say we have nothing to be thankful for.

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Walt

18 November 2015

Poor “jon”.. Attacking a Black man. Racist much?
And Trump up another 10! So much for your “prediction”. Recall your “Mark this date and post!”. Yup,, Trump with a 14 point lead. And LIBS are not even buying their own parties lies and BS. Sanders is better off looking to open a fried chicken franchise.

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fish

18 November 2015

Posted by: Jon | 18 November 2015 at 02:46 PM
Ironic that President Dunning-Krueger had precisely as much foreign policy experience as Dr. Carson when he was elected. Oh….and there was that whole 57 states gaffe……Biden like he is!
C’mon jon you’re just mailing it in these days…..you used to be so much fun!

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Jon

18 November 2015

Walt, I stand by the Trump prediction. However, as I told you before I am rooting against my prediction. I want the guy to win! Go Trumpster! I’ll take Gentle Ben as well. Both will be slaughtered by Hillary in debates and on the stump.
Funny line about Bernie there Walt. Is it an original?

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George Boardman

18 November 2015

The Sacramento Bee reports that seven Syrian refugees are currently living in the Marysville area.
They could come up Highway 20 at any time, and I’m sure we would all sleep better if Walt and Russ, who appear to be heavily armed, took up a defensive position at Big Oak Valley.
What do you say, guys?

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Walt

18 November 2015

Could be,,, I don’t recall hearing or reading it. “jon”. He’s just as whacky as the new KFC guy.
OHhhhhhh… He blames terrorism of AGW… The Commie is off his meds.
Nope,, Hillary is getting a pass around the velvet ropes. Laws just don’t apply to a Clinton. And “O”‘s DOJ won’t file one charge.( yet plenty of other people are in jail for less.) She is your only hope. She will get the nod to run against Trump. She already has the “super delegates ” wrapped up.(paid off)
Funny,, No one can say what she accomplished. ( getting people killed don’t count.)
There are plenty of Dems that actually care about the U.S. .( I doubt your one of them)
And plan on voting for Trump.

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Todd Juvinall

18 November 2015

Syrians in Honduras on their way here.
Hey GeorgeB would you please vette these guys for America. It all depends on you.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/americas/honduras-syrians-detained/index.html
“jon” was dissing a black uy I see. If they aren’t on his plantation, have book learning and a sense of self respect and achievement, “jon” thinks he is a better Massa! Go “jon” get the old fart Sanders and jail bird Hillary ready.

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Walt

18 November 2015

Required reading for Boardman and the “jon”.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/at-least-15-us-citizen-terrorists-are-also-legal-immigrants/
Go ahead and make jokes about it Boardman, keep believing “it can’t happen here”.
There are plenty of places that thought that too.
Living here all my life,, and never worried about locking the doors. That too has changed.
We never had break ins around here. Now we do.

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Jon

18 November 2015

Walt, perhaps Mr. Boardman and I are not living in mortal fear of possible terrorists amongst us. You and others on this board are CONSUMED with fear and distrust of any human being who isn’t white with a certified redneck background.
Walt, its called XENOPHOBIA and its not good. Memorize the spelling.

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Jon

18 November 2015

That’s right Todd. I made a mocking nickname for Ben Carson. Smilin Ben. So relaxed and so out of touch. He is a certified wackjob in his political beliefs, and way too extreme in his religious beliefs. His ignorance of the world and the reality around him is breathtaking. The guy would impose a Christian theocracy if he could. Hillary Clinton will destroy the man in any forum of ideas and knowledge of the world.

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Jon

18 November 2015

Walt, one other question- what does locking doors and break ins have to do with immmigrants and potential terrorists exactly? Please help us. I would think that white, English speaking, local young men would be the prime offenders in those areas. But yes Walt. It is true- the world, the US, CA and Nevada County have changed since the 1950s! Congratulations on your discovery. When I learned of such things, it changed my life forever.

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Don Bessee

18 November 2015

Then why is he among others beating Hillary?

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Todd Juvinall

18 November 2015

Bernie Sanders is ready for depends and “jon” will change them. Now Bernie is in dementia. AGW is the greatest threat to the planet. Amazing. Go “jon” go. Get your handi wipes ready for Bernie Sanders. Liberals like “jon” are too easy.

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Michael R. Kesti

18 November 2015

Jon 18Nov15 at 02:46 PM
Oh, please. In case you couldn’t figure it out for yourself, the referenced article states that this was likely an error on behalf of a graphic artist. Only a political ideologue such as yourself could translate that into Carson being “not so good on his US geography.”
Walt 18Nov15 03:55 PM
I know it’s currently popular to refer to criticism of any kind directed toward Negros (I don’t care if anybody thinks it’s politically incorrect to use this valid term of classification.) as racism but this just is not correct. Jon erroneously accused (“attacked”) Carson of a lack of the latter’s knowledge of geography but made no claim that this deficiency was due to his race.

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George Rebane

18 November 2015

GeorgeB 436pm – Ah, the smugness of secure certitude. Tonight the FBI reports that it has increased to 1,000 the number of active anti-terror investigations of US-resident Syrians who are suspected of participating in various in-country ISIS activities, and tell us that so far they have foiled at least 18 plots with these efforts. The fed intelligence agencies, as I have quoted, say that they “can neither vet nor vouch” for any such Syrian (and other Mideast) refugees. With regard to background histories and documentation, there simply isn’t any there there for these people.
Now any mildly attentive reader would have known that for at least the last ten years. However, our progressives are just now being given the word, at least those who have expanded their news sources.
And the matter of selecting Christian immigrants refugees is more than humorous. Led by Team Obama (with utter contempt for their constituency) we are told that America should not discriminate on the basis of religion. However, were we to discriminate on the basis of which cohort of refugees were most in fear of losing life and limb, then a robust discriminant would include the attribute of being a Christian on one side, and everyone else on the other side. So we are told that given such a result, we should ignore it since that would favor admitting Christians over others.
Finally, when will our so-called journalists wake up to the fact that those reaching EU countries from Turkey, Greece, Malta, … are no longer refugees fleeing in fear of their lives. Once you enter any of these countries and wish to transit, you become an economic refugee since none of the countries on whose shores you landed wish to harm you. But the wits required to understand that simple notion is in short supply across western countries, and totally absent in those who march under the liberal/progressive banners.

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Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

A prudent person repairs the fence when he sees it broken in a spot. Protects the livestock and keeps them safe.
http://patriotpost.us/posts/38986
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/753892951411411/?type=3&theater

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fish

18 November 2015

Posted by: Jon | 18 November 2015 at 05:16 PM
OH NOES……ALL CAPS…….Jon IS SERIOUS THIS TIME!

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Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

Ah, xenophobia. Had to learn that big word in 5th grade as we had to learn a word a day starting with A for antediluvian and ending with zoothorn or zowiemaui.
Xenophobia means fear of the unknown, commonly known has fear of the foreign. For example, some, like jon, have a fear of the unknown when it comes to where the rubber meets the road. Fear is False Evidence (or Emotions) Appearing Real. Or, “funk everything and run” to AWG, a safe comfortable familiar place. His safe zone if you will.

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Walt

18 November 2015

LOL!! “jon” heard a word commonly used by LIB loons. Did you have to look up the meaning?
Sorry chum..p,,, it don’t apply to me. The use of 25 cent words by someone who has never seen a collage classroom is more than laughable.
Now dissing Carson… He’s a hell of a lot smarter than you. So I throw your Liberalism right back at ya. ” Your White privilege is showing”.
BTW “jon”,, you said you would be happy to take in some Syrians. Did you practice first with a few local homeless as I suggested? (naaaa…. It’s easier to spew BS.)

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Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

Oh Walt, jon won’t be back until O winno-thirty. White Port tonight. Yo jon, saw this and thought of you. Here’s looking at you!
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/753992898068083/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/753999954734044/?type=3&theater

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Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

We are not Islamphobic, we just don’t want our kids to get blown up. Same reason I stay out of the barriers because of drive bys. I don’t want to get shot nor do I wish to get blown up at Taco Bell or Sierra Cinemas.

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Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

Who would have ever thunk it could be possible in our lifetimes that the Democrat forerunner is attacking liberal ideas as a costly tax hike on us. My Gal is one smart cookie and she is going to put an end to kissing the Far Left’s behind and just shot down the lizard on hot pavement crazy single payer prayer. Go, gal, go! Take no prisoners, you smokin’ lib basher, you. We love you, Hillary!!! Let er’ rip.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/hillary_clinton_triangulates_against_bernie_sanders.html

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Don Bessee

18 November 2015

The Clinton campaign thinks that when its down 12 points to the leading R’s its very important to bully a comedy club for its jokes! The laugh factory owner is reporting that a senior Clinton operative called him attacking them for a promo clip on their website where 5 comedians do their Clinton jokes. Yes in the world of pantsuits its ok to threaten to put a comedy club out of business and demand the personal contact info of the comedians. Heil Hillary! LOL

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Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

Sorry guys and gal for posting again, but the news is just too juicy tonight. The Dem Autopsy Report is finally out and it ain’t pretty. Looks like instead of getting all goo-goo eyed over the demise of the Republican Party, somebody done snuck in and put a fork in the Lefties.
The answer to “why?” is as plain as the honking nose on my face. Could it be that Americans do not particularly like the Democrat message no more? Nah, it just couldn’t possibly be as simple as that. It has to be something like…..like The Koch Brothers running the show or Racist American cannot stomach an Arab African Caucasian in the Oval Office so they took it out on Dems great and small from Sea to Glorious Shining Sea. But, what does a dummy like me know anywho.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/18/the-democrats-just-released-a-2014-autopsy-report-theres-only-one-sentence-in-it-that-matters/

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George Rebane

18 November 2015

Check out what the Egyptian media commentators think about the idiot in the White House.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UXodRLLkth4

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Scott Obermuller

18 November 2015

Thanks Bill – interesting chart.
Remember, though that just because a pol has an R after his/her/it’s name doesn’t necessarily mean what a D might. D’s tend to hew to the party line line pretty religiously, but Rs are all over the map (politically). In Idaho we find one of the 2 representatives (Raul Labrador) to be a good solid conservative, but in the southern/eastern district we have Mr Simpson who loves big govt and can’t get enough fed control over his state.
In Kali, there are many Rs that would be to the left of Dems in many parts of the US. Arnie was a good example of what can happen to Rs once elected.
He started out fine, but soon became totally enamoured with the siren call of left wing politics. Easy to understand why. You don’t have to explain anything to the voters – they have already been brain washed by the schools, unions and the news media. You don’t have to think about the consequences of your actions if you go left as the news media will cover you.
Nationally it’s different as we have seen. Jeb can push the crap locally to the yokels, but it won’t make the main event. Shrillery only had to run locally once as a New Yawker even though she had no ties to the Empire State in any way way, save the source of her funds. Nationally she looks good to the masses as they mostly have no knowledge of her other than what the fawning news media portrays her as.
There were even folks on KVMR the other day gushing over her as quite the thing to be president.
The Dems like to present themselves as a ‘big tent’ but that’s only in regards to sexual/cultural/racial self identity groups. Ideology trumps all and there are very few successful Dems that buck the system. The Rs are all over the map in terms of ideology and the central party is seemingly adrift as regards to any central tenet and long term goal. As has been pointed out by Ann Coulter and others – the Dems concerted efforts to flood the country with uneducated, poor, non-English speaking foreigners that have no means or time or intention of becoming imbued with our cultural and political heritage will be the death of our country. Just get them in here and give them the vote. Promise them goodies to the moon and give them the vote and let them know who let them in and what we have promised them.
The Republican party central is completely outwitted on this matter.
Only the conservatives have a clue as to what is happening they can only hold their heads and be witness to the downfall of our country.

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Scott Obermuller

18 November 2015

George – that’s unfair. Those yahoos don’t have the intelligence, cultural sensitivity and schooling that a left wing white boy would have. Those are just a bunch of King Tut’s bath house attendant’s progeny. They were rowing Cleo’s barge just a few centuries ago. They only live in the region and are obviously too close to the problem to have the proper perspective to know what to do. I’ll bet none of them can dunk like our pres.

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George Rebane

18 November 2015

ScottO 1011pm – You’re right of course; what was I thinking?

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Jon

18 November 2015

Hey Dirtmover, haven’t seen a college classroom ha? LOL..:) oh boy, if you only knew.
That’s right Walt. Yes, I would take in a vetted, American refugee Syrian family.

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Scott Obermuller

18 November 2015

“Yes, I would take in a vetted, American refugee Syrian family.”
So ‘would’ we all, Jon. ‘Vetted’ by what definition and on what conditions?

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