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Sandbox – 8oct15

08 October 2015

[Leaving the 4oct15 sandbox to complete the debate on rampant racism in Nevada County and on RR, we open a fresh one to permit untrammeled consideration of how the Republicans are faring in their selection of a new Speaker against the background of Hillary's Benghazi and email scandals, and the lamestream's coverage of the whole mess. gjr]

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201 responses to “Sandbox – 8oct15”

Paul Emery

12 October 2015

Yes Todd I boughe a house July 2014

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

Now, talk about the hardest job in America. We should keep him in our thoughts.
http://patriotpost.us/posts/38188
Ah, the New Jim Crow Laws rears its ugly head in Alabama, of course. We should have let them out of The Union when we had the chance. This is 60’s racism all over again
http://patriotpost.us/posts/38205

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Todd Juvinall

12 October 2015

Paul Emery, was that a foreclosure you bought? Also, you never answered me about your liens and judgments. What are they? Just trying to make sure you have clean hands after your attacks on others.

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

Paul Emergy or was it Steve F? Yo, tell your beloved hot babe Amazon fighters to turn it down a notch before the UN steps in and tells them to play nice. Just an ounce of prevention is in order. Them Kurdish gals are kicking too much butt….civilian butt with your donations, lol.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/rights-group-says-us-backed-kurds-displacing-arabs-in-syria/2015/10/12/81ecfc84-7144-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html

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Paul Emery

12 October 2015

No taxes owed. Not a foreclosure. So what if it was.

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

It’s Hillary’s moment under the lights tonight. Certainly will be different than having 15 candidates trying to grab 90 seconds of attention from Trump. I predict her numbers will inch up if she is extremely disciplined and stays on rehearsed script to show she is human.
Meanwhile, this is an different year. Those who say stuff that creates a media backlash see their numbers surge. Looks like the angry voters who had enough and are not taking it anymore are taking on the media as well as the Establishment.
Best thing for the outsiders is to create a media backlash and stick to your guns. Take on both at the same time. A two-for-one and a win-win for the outsiders this cycle. I doubt that the MSM nor the political establishment see this as anything but a something that will go away in a few months. Maybe, maybe not.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/ben-carson-campaign-surges-controversial-muslim-holocaust-comments-221851607.html

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Even libertarians find out you can’t fight city hall….no matter how noble one feels is the cause. I remember when the CA Costal Commission told a homeowner to remove a 20 foot bird shedder from his home because it could be seen from the coast. That homeowner was told to reduce the height to 6 feet tall and move it to the opposite side of the home where it does not face the ocean, and where there is no ocean breeze. But, but, he was just trying to reduce his carbon footprint…and save some money and the planet.
Green or not, being a good neighbor trumps most things in “my backyard” politics. Yep, if you got neighbors 2 feet away, best to not mess with their view of the lake.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/07/windmill-lands-green-energy-entrepreneur-in-clink/

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fish

13 October 2015

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 13 October 2015 at 05:54 AM
It’s Hillary’s moment under the lights tonight.
Ten bucks says “our gal” melts under the hot stage lights and reveals her advanced metal endoskeleton to the world tonight.

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fish

13 October 2015

Hey Steve…..is this headline racist?

Malia Obama visits Brown University, causes campus-wide freak-out…

http://fusion.net/story/213199/malia-obama-brown-university-visit/
You’re my “go to” on matters dogwhistle!!

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fish

13 October 2015

Bummer dude……

Bernie Sanders isn’t socialist enough for many socialists

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Fish, I just cannot take ten bucks from a wriener dog owner. That would be so wrong. I grew up with doxies, Mitsy then Gretta. But, I feel you are wrong. She has every conceivable question already answered.
If she does the Debbi thang and answers by saying “we should rather focus on those anti-woman (hey, I am a woman, too!) nasty vicious Republicans who must be stopped, then she will melt. But, red meat does cover a multitude of sins.
She will answer all questions about things of her own making with a quasi non-answer and say “I have already apologized for that and the Ametican people are more interested in….blah, blah, blah kitchen table issues. Maybe she will repeat last week’s trial balloon by pronouncing she is the only true outsider that can shake up Washington. She just might even believe that herself, like leaving the White House broke.
Nah, she and all of the wannabes will race to be the one who is truly THE ONE who is left of Obama. By the time the dust settles, Obama will look like a moderate Blue Dog Democrat.
Taking ten bucks from you, Mr. Fish, would be like taking food out of the mouths of the doggie. But, you are on. It will cost me more money in gas to deliver a wrinkled ten spot to you, but, I should get out more often and see some of life’s finer things like a mall before I die. 🙂

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fish

13 October 2015

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 13 October 2015 at 07:43 AM
I grew up with doxies, Mitsy then Gretta.
Nice! Mine were Rudy and Hannah….fine Teutonic names for cranky Teutonic beasts! Later was Benny….who we surmise may have been a Jewish Dachshund…..who knew!?
I should get out more often and see some of life’s finer things like a mall before I die. 🙂
The words “mall” and “finer things” should never be used in the same sentence!

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Fish @ 7:18 in the am.
After all the progress we as a nation have made, I find it appalling that Brown Univeristy still bears its antiquated racist name. Perhaps the esteemed institution university should change its name to Boneless Brown U to hide it’s racist roots and history. In this day and age, a “Brown” school is equilivent to raising the Bars and Stars in the campus quad.

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

One thing for sure is that all eyes will be on our gal. “Our gal is red hot, your canadiate is diddly squat.” She is hands down the national pastime favorite and she ain’t going to go gently into the still dark night. Nope, our gal is a veteran of many a clawing, scratching, and biting cat fight. Yep, Bill just keeps cutting himself shaving.
Tonight the world will see who really wears the Big Boy Britches on the Left. Read ’em and weep, Valerie.
Our gal is sizzling hot and is so bad she makes medicine sick. No flash in the pan with our gal.

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Now, this makes me glad I don’t have a boob tube. Mets vs Dodgers or Our Gal? Oh, that is a decision I am not forced to make. The simple life has its upside.

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fish

13 October 2015

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 13 October 2015 at 08:21 AM
Now, this makes me glad I don’t have a boob tube. Mets vs Dodgers or Our Gal? Oh, that is a decision I am not forced to make. The simple life has its upside.
Sorry William….a little too simple a life for me….for it will be Mets vs Dodgers for me this evening.

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Walt

13 October 2015

Gunfire in NC. If you look at The Union pic.,,, there is NO WAY that “fine upstanding member of society” could be a “Righty”. ( A refugee from the bay?)
Now I want to read just how that guy got the shotgun. Was it acquired LEGALLY??
You know,, all that good stuff LIBS yap about.
If someone owes you money, and ya’ shoot off the arm that makes that money,,, good luck with that.
Now who is going to be owing who some big bucks? ( Life flight isn’t cheap)

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fish

13 October 2015

Sad when in order to have a “boogie man” you have to keep propping him up with free stuff…..”Technicals” in this case!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-13/us-government-supplied-isis’-iconic-pickup-trucks
http://www.fastmotoring.com/wp-content/gallery/toyota-hilux-at-war-field/r30_19120966.jpg
http://s230.photobucket.com/user/fireflyr_photos/media/BFL%20Cruiser%202010/b2693bd6.jpg.html
(Cookie Monster not included in those models supplied to ISIS I imagine. Maybe a factory option though)

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Walt, I don’t get the Union, part of the simple life. However, it sounds interesting. Whatever went down, those were ametuers. All he had to do was threatened to kill his Mom or family and perhaps slach the dog’s throat and nail the mutt to the front door. Geez, haven’t we learned anything from our fine Mexican Mafia neighbors? There are other ways to collect a debt.
Now, Putin is speaking my language. Go figure. I ain’t on the USA is bad bandwagon, just would like to know what exactly are our goals in Syria and how are going about to achieve such unstated goals. “Mush for brains” is something I would say. Maybe Putin is calling us a bunch of lib holes.
http://news.yahoo.com/putin-slams-us-syria-says-partners-mush-brains-113850683.html
Don’t think this counterpunch will come up tonight.
https://www.facebook.com/TeamTwitchy/photos/a.504820149531609.122497.319569361390023/1190083804338570/?type=3&theater

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

In other news, the stake in the heart for over 40,000 gold dredgers was accomplished by Izzy Martin (Sierra Fund) and Moonbeam. In today’s paper. Anyway, the facts that mother nature send millions of tons of gravel and rocks down our rivers apparently is not as bad as a few gold miners moving some sand. What a state. So millions of dollars in business is now kaput. Protect the fish. What a hoot!
Juxtapose the Elias opinion piece today about the use of water by pot farmers versus fish. Do you think Izzy etal will go after the potter? Naw.
You just can’t make this insanity up. Our government and eco nut groups!

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Joe Koyote

13 October 2015

Todd– dredgers can still dredge, they just need a different permit than before, and it is not just the fish, but all downstream water users who don’t want more deadly mercury in their water who benefit. The dredgers are doing more than moving sand, they are also moving mercury that is best left alone. I guess your position is that it is OK for a few dredgers to pollute the water for millions of other water users downstream. Typical righty thinking, gimme the money and screw everyone else. The insanity is that you don’t care if people get poisoned as long as a few miners get some bling. You know what they say Todd, and I am sure you have said this before as well, America, love it or leave it.

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George Rebane

13 October 2015

JoeK 943am – Quite often these kinds of preventative and prophylactic regulations are based on nothing but slogans and the good feelings generated in their sponsors. I’m not saying that this is the case with the new dredging regulations, but it would be good to get link to a report that substantiates the downstream mercury problem. Can you provide one?

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

There is a moratorium on dredging so this “law” is bogus. Just another stake in the heart.
I suggest you go ask the Western Mining Alliance people about mercury. You could not be more misinformed.
http://westernminingalliance.org/

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

One more thing. JoeK, the pot growers in California are swiping millions of gallons of water a day from the creeks and using pumps to remove it to their gardens. What is your view on that?

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Gregory

13 October 2015

http://www.theunion.com/opinion/columns/18538183-113/joan-merriam-where-do-we-go-from-here
Joan Merriam is as out to lunch on firearms as is Frisch. Teaches “communications” at Sierra College.
“And who except law enforcement or the military needs weapons with magazines capable of firing tens of dozens of rounds in just a few seconds?”
tens of dozens of rounds in a few seconds? That’s faster than a machine gun. Someone needs to tell her that these civilian rifles require the shooter to pull the trigger and release the trigger before it can fire the next shot. Rate of fire for six shots is no faster than a police revolver.
“Whether or not it would have made a difference in Roseburg or Paducah or Tucson, let’s concentrate on areas where most of us can agree, or at least compromise: for starters, closing the loophole that allows anyone — convicted criminals, stalkers, domestic abusers, and those with a history of dangerous mental illness — to buy firearms at gun shows, online, and from private parties without a background check. ”
If it wouldn’t have made a difference in any of those places, why is she bringing it up? And, given that the “loophole” she describes doesn’t exist, why is she taking it up? Mail order or internet, that “loophole” was closed after Lee Harvey Oswald bought an old war surplus bolt action rifle… not because he couldn’t buy a rifle from the corner sporting goods store but because it was a good price. Everyone who is in the business of selling guns must have a federal license, keep spotless records and run every purchase through the background check system, whether in their shop or at a gun show.
The “private sales” loophole is mostly private transfers between family members, but that’s a hard sell at election times, as most people don’t think Granpa’s old rifle is a big criminal justice problem.
Ms. Merriam’s problem is a common one… how do you stop someone with no criminal or mental health adjudications from committing a crime in a free society without turning it into an authoritarian or totalitarian society? The answer is you can’t but that doesn’t stop the Frischs and the Merriams from trying. The 2nd amendment is real and represents an individual right; if you want to repeal it, the process is well known and laid out in the very same Constitution.

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fish

13 October 2015

Today, while the blood is still fresh on the floors of a small Oregon college, we must have the courage to talk about reforming of our gun control laws.
Nope……we certainly do not! Go ahead and bounce your ideas off the empty spaces between your ears but spare me the florid rhetoric.
You guys (Frisch, Ben Ms. Merriam, Shawn Hubler from the Bee) are always assuring us that they have public opinion on their side. Fine! Shut up about it and get your legislation passed. Stop whining about how “tough” it is because of the NRA.

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Joe Koyote

13 October 2015

George 9:50 — I don’t have a link George, my information comes directly from someone who did the research on and helped write the bill. What the bill does is change the permitting process so that the state water quality people know where dredging is occurring so that if/when the mercury level rises above the currently allowable parts per million they can temporarily suspend dredging in that area until the level subsides. That’s all.. it does not prohibit dredging it only monitors the pollutants. The downstream mercury problem is well known and I am surprised you aren’t better informed about it.
Todd 9:58 — your post has nothing to do with the mercury issues and dredging, and is irrelevant to this conversation.

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

Fish and Gregory, excellent points. I have tossed some crapola at this babe’s screed on the Union’s comment section. Go over there and do so too. Maybe the Union will give you some ink on Saturday.
I also asked the Union why they did not allow a contra POV on the submitted article by Izzy. Western Mining Alliance has some good rebuttals to her tripe.

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

Joe Koyote | 13 October 2015 at 11:46 AM
Of course it does JoeK. You are simply wrong as usual. Mercury was being extracted by the dredgers for years but then the State said if you get any mercury we will fine or arrest you. Guess what? No more extraction. So once again you are yapping about something you have no idea about.
Also, JoeK, what do you think happens when the rivers are roaring in the winter? The streams get washed clean and the debris moves along. You think that mercury just stays in place? Jeeze you are uninformed.

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Walt

13 October 2015

Yup,, JoKe is at it again. ” I know a guy”,,, well Joe,, he’s full of shit.
That liquid metal occurs naturally up here. So it will ALWAYS be there.
And what is the plan to remove it from lake Combie? DREDGING!!!
Dredging was beneficial for the fish. They loved to hang out behind the outflow. Then they had nice places to lay their eggs.
Like Todd said. a little drudge has nothing on the water’s rage after a good rain.
Have your ever seen a river in Winter or Spring? ( somehow I don’t think so)
You know,, there are pictures on the net you can look at.

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

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https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/740843009383072/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1444763614./738950212905685/?type=3&theater

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

: Walt | 13 October 2015 at 12:12 PM
And guess who has a contract on dredging with NID for Combie? Sierra Fund. The very people, Izzy etal, who had their pal Laird in Sacramento government declare a moratorium on dredging! JoeK, are you even knowledgeable about that? So there you are JoeK, a local example of corporate corruption?

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Yo Joe down by the river:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1444764440./740515412749165/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1444764450./738444629622910/?type=3&theater

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Walt

13 October 2015

????????? Sierra fund has a dredge???????? SOOOOooo They are the “Primary” contractor?
Does Izzy and minions have a contractor’s licence? ( Of course they are sub-contracting out)
Nice racket.
I saw a picture in the local rag a while back, where “experts” were using a small “gold wheel” to “remove” the mercury. ( concept demonstration?)
If that’s how they “plan” to remove it,, LOL!!!
Nope,, can’t do it the proper way by retortation. ( You know what that is JoKe?)
Now… Who get’s to keep the gold that’s IN that Mercury? Dizzy Izzy?

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Joe Koyote

13 October 2015

Walt–Actually it’s a woman and a very close relative so stick it. She knows more in her pinky then you will ever know in your entire life. Did you also know that the material taken out of Combi is filtered and cleaned before it is returned? Very costly proposition that NID has taken on JUST BECAUSE OF THE DOWNSTREAM MERCURY PROBLEM. It is in the testing stages right now. It is so costly that another possible solution for increasing water capacity is to raise the dams and just leave the mercury alone, but that would be costly as well because of lakefront homes. As long as the mercury stays undisturbed it is not that much of a problem. It is when it get stirred up, as in gold dredging, that the downstream problem occurs. My advice to you is go eat a few trout a day.
Todd — please explain to me how your question about growing pot is related to mercury content and gold dredging other than being a typical Todd effort to change the conversation when you get in over your head and blow it out your rear.

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Joe Koyote

13 October 2015

By the way Todd, was it Izzy Martin who beat you in the supervisor election when you got thrown out of office or someone else? Just curious as you seem go off on her whenever possible.

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George Rebane

13 October 2015

JoeK 1146am – Well, it appears that you are no better informed than am I about the scope and extent of the mercury problem. We all know what mercury was used for, and that a lot of it is still up here in the foothills. What we (including you and your researcher) don’t know is what the likely physical mechanisms are for its release into existing waterways. And we apparently have no idea how to separate the ‘signal’ of the mercury pollution levels from the background noise of natural levels.
Would like to get your researcher’s contact information so I can go directly to the source of your concerns.

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Joe Koyote

13 October 2015

Todd and walt — where do you get your flawed information? I think you just make this stuff up because you have no idea what you are talking about. Sierra Fund is not dredging, NID is dredging. Sierra Fund is working with NID doing the water testing.

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Walt

13 October 2015

Post your credentials JoKe. Love how you dodge what have said. I HAVE done Mercury remediation in the past, as with other hazardous materials. So I happen to know some things on the subject.
It looks like the most expensive way and most time consuming is the method of choice.
There are already sound and proven ways to deal with it. HELL!! Grow hemp in the “sludge”.
Hemp removes heavy metals from what it grows in.
Then safely extract the mercury from the hemp.`
Have you looked up the word “retort” yet? Or do I need to school you in that too?
” Stick it”,,, Right back at ya’. ( feral dog)

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Gregory

13 October 2015

JoKe,
My most stunning memory of “Izzy” Martin was when she arrived late for a funeral (end of May 2001) but believed she deserved to get in the church despite there being well over 100 people who got there before she did who were standing outside quietly and respectfully, including me and my son. No, she wasn’t family. Not even sure if she knew the deceased, John Bauer, but he was a long time county employee. She didn’t push people out of the way but she did artfully snake past people to get all the way to the door and then in.
I can only guess she felt more entitled to get inside than the commoners who were in her way but got to the church first and yes, she was the ONLY person that day to pull that stunt.
I hadn’t been terribly interested in county politics before that time but it sure put Martin’s political actions in context.

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Well, will Joe Biden sneak into the casino at the last second tonight and bring some drama to the low expectation event, or will there be that awkward empty chair on stage?
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1444765748./739915159475857/?type=3&theater

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Gregory, did she demand her seeing eye dog be weasled in as well?

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Walt

13 October 2015

I do recall the blood bath when Izzy and her gang all got kicked to the curb on election night. Her bait and switch to get elected in the first place never sat well with the people. Yup, good ol’ NH2020 was the gang’s downfall. But the damage was done.
Remember? The same ECO bastards that rammed “wild and scenic” down our throats.
The river was cleaner when it was in private hands.

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Oh Walt, Tin Lizzy will do ok. After all, being so special does have its privileges. Even to this day, she can park anywhere she darn well chooses to.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/740846546049385/?type=3&theater

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

Joe Koyote | 13 October 2015 at 12:46 PM
Wow, you truly are a ignoramus aren’t there JoeK? No I was the main supporter of the woman who beat Izzy Martin for re-election. And damned proud of kicking her out of county government. I attended all the Planning Commission meeting on the General Plan when she was on the PC. She was totally anti property rights in my view and was totally in the bag for regulating your ass down to the paper in your trash. Yep, I am really proud of that.
Since you are totally ignorant of the mercury issue, you are truly a foil and debating you is fruitless. You are simply incorrect in all you opinions on the metal. And since Walt did a lot of remediation of the mercury,. I would urge you to get down on your knees and bow to his smarts. And you need to go back to school for a bit of knowledge.
One thing about you econuts is you never let the facts get in your way to show your lack of intelligence.
Sierra Fund led the charge to stop the dredging and are now benefiting from that monetarily. You would be outraged if it was Exxon.
So JoeK, please answer GeorgeR’s questions. Or are you a chicken?

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Bill Tozer

13 October 2015

Joe Koyotedude @ 12:36 today.
A close relative?? Good grief, man, that says it all. Broken Thinker Syndrome must run in the family. Did you reveal to your future father-in-law the insanity that runs in the family before you asked his daughter’s hand in marriage? That would have been the ethical thing to do so the in-laws would not be caught unaware.

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Michael R. Kesti

13 October 2015

Todd Juvinall 13Oct15 01:44 PM
Wow, you truly are a ignoramus aren’t there JoeK?
Amazing.

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

Walt | 13 October 2015 at 01:35 PM
That’s right. Our local Congressman and State electeds here (and Supervisors) would not support Wild and Scenic so Izzy knew her pal Byron Sher, a ultra liberal State Senator from the Bay Area would carry it. And he did and of course libs are in charge of the state. So there you have it. Right off the bat the river got closed for some algae infestation which I never saw in all my years. And the river was cleaner when the property along it was not in the “corridor” of WandS oversight. I kept the WandS off the river for a couple of years before Izzy etal did the end run around the elected officials of our county. Isn’t that called being a “traitor” to the place?
Of course a Board Member of SYRCL got to build a mega house on the river while others were not. How is that possible? Corporate giving?
So JoeK, if you are related to her, then that is wholly your problem. My opposition is strictly one of what I consider an opportunist and anti Constitutional person.

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Todd Juvinall

13 October 2015

Michael R. Kesti | 13 October 2015 at 01:51 PM
Thanks for confirming, you got one right!

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George Rebane

13 October 2015

***** Dear Readers, the new and refreshed 13oct15 sandbox is open for your contributions as we await tonight’s debate.

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