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Sandbox – 8oct15

08 October 2015

[Leaving the 4oct15 sandbox to complete the debate on rampant racism in Nevada County and on RR, we open a fresh one to permit untrammeled consideration of how the Republicans are faring in their selection of a new Speaker against the background of Hillary's Benghazi and email scandals, and the lamestream's coverage of the whole mess. gjr]

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201 responses to “Sandbox – 8oct15”

Todd Juvinall

11 October 2015

I recall DonB discussed this before (lately). Do your own homework chump.

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Steven Frisch

11 October 2015

Well anyone can discuss anything, I want actual proof. Come on Don, pray tell.

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George Rebane

11 October 2015

Well, the native/foreign workforce pissing match may go on forever. There is no question that the more enthused foreigners who have yet to discover the magnitude of the public tit, it is their fractional participation that is growing. Therefore, the conclusions about fractional changes become pretty clear. I’m not sure what the specifics of your debate are here, but the Bureau of Labor Statistics is happy to supply some relevant data.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/forbrn.nr0.htm

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Steven Frisch

11 October 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 11 October 2015 at 03:05 PM
Well I certainly don’t think the fact that the unemployment rate for foreign born workers is slightly better than that of native born workers is going to hurt the Democratic nominee in November of 2016.
If Republicans make the “Donald Trump’ case they are bigots and they lose votes from the fastest rising demographic in the country, Americans with hispanic origins.

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Bill Tozer

11 October 2015

Fastest growing demographic or biggest growing demographic. Don’t forget the Asians, at least along the West Coast of Blue Waters.

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Bill Tozer

11 October 2015

Ah, sane logic for once:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/740105269456846/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/740105269456846/?type=3&theater

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Bill Tozer

11 October 2015

Yo, Dynamic Duo Grease Spot:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/740148739452499/?type=3&theater

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Don Bessee

11 October 2015

Mixing issues frischy, plenty of documented history with the court reformers in Nevada County but we get you don’t give a shit about DV victims or how they have to deal with the tweaker ex’s. Have years of drug prevention work with the IFBC in Sac region. Standing up to scumbags in and out of court is a badge of honor to real people. As if anyone cares what you think mr limousine liberal with racist hiring practices. 😉

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Don Bessee

11 October 2015

Frischy at 323, lame distraction. The issue is that ALL the new jobs under 0 have gone to foreign born as demonstrated by the worker participation numbers. You listen too much to he whos name we will not utter. He listens too much to the idiot pot growers. LOL

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Todd Juvinall

11 October 2015

That’s OK DonB, Frisch would squeal like a 11 year old girl and run and hide if he tried to do the job. He is a bovine bloviator.

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Steven Frisch

11 October 2015

Posted by: Don Bessee | 11 October 2015 at 05:02 PM
Would that be the International Faith Based Coalition?

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Steven Frisch

11 October 2015

Posted by: Don Bessee | 11 October 2015 at 05:22 PM
Ah, here we go, I ask a few simple questions and I’m hanging out with pot growers 🙂
I don’t even think I know any pot growers. Don;t really like the stuff myself. But then if you have something you want to say Don why don’t you just say it?

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Todd Juvinall

11 October 2015

DonB, I think it is the hard stuff, JB, vodka?

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Bill Tozer

11 October 2015

Now, this is cruel and unusual punishment. No bacon?
http://www.newsmax.com/US/pork-ban-federal-prison/2015/10/11/id/695684/
I know one or two pot growers and have had the good fortune of meeting many young people from around the world who I let crash here on occasion cause they let the girls crash in their countries when they girls stuck out their thumbs and traveled the world. Ole Dad never traveled like they did. The internet changes the way we travel. Friends everywhere.
That was just the background to say the trimmigrants are flooding the area. Local downtown NC retailers are busy, especially those who sell Nevada City’s version of fast food.
AirB&B is how the foreign vagabonds travel and stay here. Again, the net makes one never alone. They are just traveling and will trim for a chance to say “I trimmed marijuana in California.” Guess that is higher up the stories to tell the grandkids than panning gold or getting naked as a Jaybird down at the river.
Two Israeli young men just left here after a half day visit. They answer my questions about their country but they want to check this area out for a month or two. They been in Paris, New York, and San Fransisco since last December and want to see the country. They even bought a new minivan in SF and are staying at a house with a couple locals thru AirB&B. Not your typical homeless to say the least. The girls friends pass through to meet the old man as some stories from my wayward past have been repeated internationally after all these years, lol. Those were they days when folks pulled some good capers, but I digressed again.
Wondered how those Lake County area fires would affect the local economy. Heard from a vagabond former ad exec from Northern England trimming in these parts that somebody just paid 1,900 dollars American for a pound. Fire victims loss is our gain.
I ain’t saying anything good or bad about the agriculture business, just being Walt”s ears on the street. Keep the clean trimmigrants from Germany, Ireland, Scotland, England, anywhere south of El Salvador. Them Colombians are nice folk and ain’t their father’s generation. And boot the American white trash low lives out of Nevada City!

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Paul Emery

11 October 2015

Yeah guys, you’ve convinced me that the Repubs really know how to handle the economy. Things were much better in 2008 when Bush left office. Let’s return to those good old days of prosperity. In fact lets bring in another Bush and many of the same team that got us there.

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Todd Juvinall

11 October 2015

Paul Emery, you and your ilk screwed it up Bush did his best to fix it. I did really well during Bush’s tenure. I realize your rental shack was unable to get a redo loan from Reinette. Better luck next time. LOL!

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Bill Tozer

11 October 2015

Yo Paul, Bush was in charge 7 years ago. Who exactly has been at the helm the last 7 years? Tough question, which you obviously disdain. Take your time and I am sure you can come up with the answer to this difficult question. Hint: it’s a community organizer. Hint #2. It’s the same person of interest that put Joe Biden in charge of The Stimuli and the ensuing Recovery Tour. Hint #3. You don’t need to look back farther than today’s date in history.

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Paul Emery

11 October 2015

Todd
So exactly what years did you have your foreclosure problems?

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Paul Emery

11 October 2015

Never mind, I found it. It was Obama’s fault since he had been in office three months. Things were prosperous under Bush right?
Recorded on 03/14/2008 as Instrument No. 2008-0006162-00 of official records in the office of the County Recorder of NEVADA County, State of CALIFORNIA. EXECUTED BY: TODD JUVINALL, WILL SELL AT PUBLIC AUCTION TO HIGHEST BIDDER FOR CASH, CASHIER’S CHECK/CASH EQUIVALENT………….

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Todd Juvinall

12 October 2015

Still own that house Paul Emery. What is your point?

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

Ok, the market crash caugh 99.9% of everyone from top to bottom off guard. The one or two who say they warned us are still peddling books about how smart they were back then. Some stuck a gun in their mouths, millions filed for permanent disability (depression) and others looked at their options after getting up off the ground and dusting themselves off. Try plan B, then Plan C, or wing it for awhile and man up.
Todd is one of those that pulled himself up by his tattered bootstraps. What don’t break ya will make ya.
I, being a bloodthirsty materialistic poor man of little means, picked up a 7 year old 3 bedroom, two bath house on 10 acres for 128k, listed at 360k. Man, the sunken tub and shower and the his and her sinks in the master bath is a favorite of my low life lady homeless friends and visitors from poor countries from Western Europe that embraced solar fields.

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

And let’s be fair here. Steve F dusted himself off and moved on. So, this BS who got knocked down when is not even worthy of consideration.
Geez, Paul E acts like bad unfortunate events has not ever happened to him. Having “her” walk off into the sunset without ya might count as an unfortunate event, not a tale of a string of unfortunate events. Paul, you are something else. A blind spot, perhaps.
From Dr. Rebane’s formative youth as refugees to what Brother Ben is facing, just about every human has had an unfortunate event or 3 happen to them…….shit, that is just about everyone, including the Homecoming Queen and the big stud on campus. It’s called life.
The only constant in life is change….albeit the libs think they can turn that upsidedown to make everything secure and stable, but I digressed again.
I say good for Steve. When you are flat on your back you get one view. When you stand back up, you get another view.

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

My gal dusted herself off and is moving forward. Sizzling. Bring it on you bad thing you.
http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-edge-nevada-dems-first-debate-072313994–election.html
Think my gal might want to rephrase the stuff she is saying lately. Saying she is the one outsider that call shake things up in Washington is one thing, but telling working moms struggling to get the lights on that only she can relate because she is a woman, and a woman that has been there and feels their pain. But, for those who adore her with clothes pins on their snouts, there is the new release of Rodham Unchained. My gal is shooting blood out of every office.

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Paul Emery

12 October 2015

Todd here is the point.
You write “I did really well during Bush’s tenure.” so why the foreclosure? Must have been Obama’s fault.

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Todd Juvinall

12 October 2015

Paul Emery, you point is bogus. I still own the house. I am sorry you live in a friends room all these years. Maybe you need to work harder.

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Paul Emery

12 October 2015

Todd
Are you denying it was in forclosure in 2008?

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George Rebane

12 October 2015

So there we have it dear readers, another riveting exchange between ToddJ and PaulE. We are blessed.

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

Yo Todd, have you ever pawned a watch? Yo Todd, did you pay that library fine from the sixties yet? Boy, at this rate will we finally settle the “who is the biggest swinging Dick”
on these pages. sorry, Miss Bonnie.
Come, let us reason together.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/740516659415707/?type=3&theater

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Gregory

12 October 2015

Paul E, let’s remember the ’08 crash was primarily due to unmarketable securities issued by those Democratic Party sacred cows, Fannie & Freddie, which had blended quality mortgage securities with valueless sub-prime paper that was hopelessly underwater.
In addition, the pushing of sub-prime mortgages in the first place was initiated by the Clinton administration.

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George Rebane

12 October 2015

Gregory 1107am – I don’t think that makes no nevermind to the liberal narrative; in these pages you and several of us have pointed out those little items to either crickets or the stock response that if it happened during Bush2’s tenure, it was his fault, period. And, of course, the provenance of that mess could even be traced back to another Democrat bon mot, the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

Ah, Jimmy The Peanut Farmer. He was once my man. Yep, when I got around to casting my first ballot, I put a big X by his name to cross him out. He still won.

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Todd Juvinall

12 October 2015

Paul Emery what don’t you understand here? I still own the house. I realize the little one bedroom you rent from your pal is small, but don’t take it out on me. It appears you have no clue about the acts in a foreclosure. Jeeze, what a lib.

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

Todd, when someone is stuck on stupid, it’s stupid to kick a dead horse. All it will do is mess with your serenity. At least he gave you rent in his head. Sweet! You got da power.

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Walt

12 October 2015

LOL Paul!! I recall seeing the list of those who failed or forgot to pay property taxes.
The Union used to print it every so often. sometimes the whole damned page was taken up.
Funny thing. Some of those delinquent taxes were only 100 bucks or so.
Sorry dude, that dog don’t hunt.
And how much in taxes have YOU paid? I call for a renter’s tax, on top of the monthly rent.
Us property owners must pay tax on the roof over our heads, but renters don’t.
If so, post the tax item on your itemized rent bill.
So… Are renters tax dodgers? ( so much for “pay your fair share”)

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

Ok, give him 40 acres and a mule and see how long it takes for him to starve the mule and lose the ranch. Tax on 40 acres ain’t too bad considering I know a nice nature lady that has 3,000 acres in this county. Think her daddy’s estate does all that paperwork stuff for her. Yep, she is a lib and an artist. She is kinda fun to go bird watching with. I wear tan safari slacks and a goofy floppy kaki green gardener’s hat and she and all her fine looking feminists like to walk about naked and think I am one of them, lol. I am indeed a hypocrite. But, I do love nature lovers. Kinda rises above politics.

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Michael R. Kesti

12 October 2015

Walt | 12Oct15 03:23 PM
Renters may not pay property taxes directly but, unless their landlords are charitable or otherwise willing to operate at a loss, the rent that tenants pay cover the property taxes that landlord pay.
Once again, Walt, you have displayed a surprisingly liberal tendency.

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Todd Juvinall

12 October 2015

BillT, you are the funniest guy. Keep up the good work. I bet your targets here have n clue as to your humor at their expanse.

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Paul Emery

12 October 2015

Walt
I am a property owner. The taxes I pay are a matter of public record just like Todd’s foreclosure in 2008. You are free to look it up

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

This is what we call transference of anger. Paul’s blind rage against Bush just don’t ring with the choir like it used to and so his anger is transferred to our own Gentle Giant, Mr. Todd. Now Todd would not hurt a pube on yer head. Oh well.
Paul, turn off that generator you got in yer teepee after midnight, ok. Kinda messes with the peace and quiet of country livin’. Besides, you can die of carbon monoxide poisoning, Valley Boy. No offense to Fish.

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Walt

12 October 2015

WOW Kesti,, not so Progressive now,, are ya’? (Of course the owners account far taxes in the rent..NO SH**,,,)
I don’t see the problem in renters paying a tax. ( deadbeats?) I’m all for “pay your fair share”. What is it? 45% or so pay 98% of all the income tax? ( something like that)
Now don’t get me started in the landlord /tenant fun and games. Been there done that, got the T-Shirt. ( renters that trash one’s property should be jailed. Not “sorry for your bad luck”)

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Walt

12 October 2015

Holy crap!! Hear this crap?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/us/million-man-march/
The America haters were out in force. Name the group that hates the U.S. and they “were there”….

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Todd Juvinall

12 October 2015

Walt, searching the Recorder’s office I see a few Paul Emery records. There are some liens, some judgements and some IRS stuff. In June 2014 there is a deed from a “subbotin”. So if these Paul Emery’s are the Paul Emery here, I would say he is in a state of hypocrisy. A few “county of Nevada” tax collection judgements as well.
When someone like Paul Emery starts this kind of stuff, I feel duty bound to check and see if he is pulling our leg. Looks like he is.
And once again Paul Emery, I still own the house that was in foreclosure. It seems you are unable to understand that.

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Michael R. Kesti

12 October 2015

Walt 12Oct15 06:09 PM
WOW Kesti,, not so Progressive now,, are ya’?
No, nor have I ever claimed to be.
I don’t see the problem in renters paying a tax.
The problem with renters paying property taxes directly is that they do not own the property.
Your experience as a landlord is completely irrelevant.

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Paul Emery

12 October 2015

Good for you Todd. I’m glad you were able to pull out of your financial problems that got you into foreclosure.

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Walt

12 October 2015

My being a landlord is relevant. It’s called “standing” (look up the definition)
I didn’t call it “property tax”, now did I? I just believe everyone should pay something.
That’s called ” equality”.

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Todd Juvinall

12 October 2015

Thanks for finally crying uncle. Now how about those County records Paul Emery. Why the liens and judgements? And is the deed for a house?

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

My, that is no way to treat an armed feminist. Do like their weapons, but kicking them while they are down is most unAmerican. Guess they do things differently in Old Europe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/12/president-obamas-lukewarm-defense-of-hillary-clinton-on-the-e-mail-controversy/?tid=trending_strip_5

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Walt

12 October 2015

Paul. There are some thing ya’ just don’t do. Like trying to run some dirty laundry up the flag pole. Especially if yours is dirtier, and just as easy to find. It sucks when that kind of personal history slips one’s mind.

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Michael R. Kesti

12 October 2015

Walt 12Oct15 07:06 PM
My being a landlord is relevant. It’s called “standing” (look up the definition)
No such standing is relevant to a discussion of who should pay taxes. It is clear that your experience has prejudiced you against renters and this arguably devalues your opinion rather than reinforcing it.
I didn’t call it “property tax”, now did I?
This discussion’s topic had been property taxes.
I just believe everyone should pay something.
That’s called ” equality”.
You have agreed with me that tenants pay property taxes indirectly. How is your new tax equitable?

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Bill Tozer

12 October 2015

Yo Mr. Walt, two points. Look what they dug up on your man from way back in ’74!! Boy, they will go to any lengths to get dirt on The Donald.
http://mrconservative.com/2015/10/65196-patriot-was-being-beaten-with-a-baseball-bat-then-trumps-limo-pulled-up/
Second, I listened to 8 seconds of Minister Faracan’s hurl and heard enough. If he wants self determination, self rule, and a place kill whites, he best gather his loyal troops and go start his own country. This is America, not Trinadad and Tobago.
Meanwhile, blame the cops for The Big Chill.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-emanuel-fetal-police-met-20151012-story.html

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