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George Rebane

Predictably Barack Hussein Obama voiced his conclusions and exhortations for gun control before the Roseburg bodies had cooled, the wounded were out of surgery, and any relevant information about the shooter and the shootings had been released by the police – anything to take people’s minds off his debacles in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  Our national demagogue again addressed the gruberized in an attempt to make them believe that these rare shootings are a national problem that far outweighs those that happen in gun controlled cities day in and day out.  Nowhere did he rise to address the 50 Chicago shootings two weekends in a row – to that sumbich black lives don’t matter, but Agenda21 does.

According to the Rebane Doctrine all gun control laws in legislative debate should address their impact on the Founders’ intent for including the Second Amendment in our Constitution.  Will the new law make it more difficult for citizens to successfully oppose a future rogue government as anticipated by the Founders and echoed by patriot Americans over the last two centuries?  The progressives promoting world socialism always want to divert us from the hundreds of millions of their own citizens that collectivist tyrants have murdered during the last century.  And they do it with the ever popular, ‘It can’t happen in America.’  In the mid-1930s ‘It can’t happen in Germany’ was used to keep the very educated and cultured masses quiet and compliant, even while Stalin was slaughtering kulaks by the tens of millions a few hundred miles away.

Anyone want to make book on what part religion, specifically Islam, played in the mind of the Roseburg shooter?  And all that as Team Obama does its best to disarm law abiding America.  (For those interested, I’m prepared to go through some probabilistic calcs on the number of such people still loose in our population who will not be affected one whit by the Left’s proposed new gun laws.  As long as the perp knows he’s the only one with a gun, these killings will continue.  There are just too many of us, and enough of them.)

[2oct15 update]  Well, the comment stream below has grown enough to attract and include the obligatory leftwing arguments for functionally, if not absolutely, disarming America.  From those commenters we hear nothing about our president rushing to be the first to call for new gun laws, and the first to politicize the event.  The Left, of course, with Alinsky-style retorts, flips that event and accuses those reporting and countering the president’s remarks as instead being the first to politicize this tragedy.

What is important to note is that the Left again 1) says nothing about the non-enforcement of existing gun control laws, continuing their litany of ‘forget enforcement, just pass more restrictive laws’; 2) spells out no specific laws that could have had any effect on the latest shootings; and 3) totally ignores the horrendous history of state killings of citizens in countries that denied them guns (the Second Amendment’s raison d’etre).  As we see from the comment stream, the Left’s educated elites practice cynicism of the highest order in arguing that our ongoing social breakdown is due to factors such as legal gun ownership, western religiosity, capitalistic greed, market-based income inequality (anti-unionism), intrinsic distrust of government, … .  To them society should be organized around an all-encompassing government guided by collectivist elites under whom work legions of altruistic technocrats striving to implement a comprehensively-regulated social order, all for the “greater good”, that is uniquely visible in their lights.

Again, I invite the attentive reader, in these first decades of the last great century of Man, to identify any common ground between our polarized and gruberized body politic that would just support functional communication, let alone that may contain a path to reunion as a citizenry of a sustainable sovereign nation-state.

[6oct15 update]  Rumor has it that President Obama will take his gun control politicizing to Roseburg.  Folks up there don't cotton to Obama, and most certainly his use of this tragic event to grandstand his 2nd Amendment agenda.  The man does not have a sense of decorum or knows that not everyone is a progressive eager to hear the pap he spews.  That, of course, may come as a surprise to some of our locals who think that only a remote group of knuckle dragging old farts in these hills don't take kindly to his politics.  For those progressives, here's an illuminating video of an O'Reilly segment. 

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281 responses to “Obama shoots from the lip on Roseburg (updated 6oct15)”

  1. steve frisch Avatar
    steve frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 04 October 2015 at 11:15 AM
    Funding for a substantial portion (approximately 50%) of the NRA is as ‘tax advantaged’ as a small portion of the funding (less than 20%) for my organization is. Yet you guys seem comfortable attacking my organization for being a 501c3 and remain silent on the NRA, while Wayne LaPierre holds down a salary 10 times mine.
    If that is not hypocritical bullshit I don’t now what is.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Unlike Frisch who is a DailyKos and The Nation affecianato, most of the folks I know here an elswher belong to the Elks and the Moose Lodges. I laugh my arse off ever time I am called a Tea Party member, which I have never been. But in the small world of socialist/commies people like Frisch belong too, you must, I say must be what he says you are. Jeeze he is a fool.
    Come Mr. “white toast” Frisch, what is up with that shooter? He is black. Come on now, scold us white folks. Come on, you can muster that can’t you?

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    The National Rifle Association is composed of four financially interconnected organizations under common leadership.[114]
    – The National Rifle Association is a 501(c)(4) membership association. It raises money, recruits members and volunteers, and engages in various activities primarily relating to firearms.
    – The NRA Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) manages the NRA’s Political Action Committee (PAC). Some of its activities include retaining lobbyists to support gun-rights legislation and election operations such as the purchase of campaign advertising.
    – The NRA Civil Defense Fund is a 501(c)(3) that does pro bono legal work for people with cases involving Second Amendment rights. As of December 2012, it was litigating in 35 states cases concerning the possession, use, and carrying of firearms.
    – The NRA Foundation is also a 501(c)(3) that raises and donates money to outdoors groups and others such as ROTC programs, 4-H and Boy Scout groups. The NRA Foundation has no staff and pays no salaries.[115]
    Two other NRA 501(c)(3) charities are the NRA Special Contribution Fund (dba NRA Whittington Center) and the NRA Freedom Action Foundation,[2] whose mission is “to ensure gun owners across the country are registered to vote.”[116] The NRA Freedom Action Foundation also provides “Second Amendment education” program for “communities of interest,” including college students.[116]
    As of May 2013, NRA membership exceeded 5 million.[3]

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Five million members of every race, color, creed and sex.

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, start firebombing NRA offices and then smother the problems with ole Yankee dollars…and….pesto!, the problem vanishes. Poof. Long time no come see, Charlie. What happens in Lib Land stays in Lib Land.
    Now, this is what one squirt gun hater has to say on the matter.
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1443985529./10152779866780914/?type=3&theater

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: steve frisch | 04 October 2015 at 11:44 AM
    Funding for a substantial portion (approximately 50%) of the NRA is as ‘tax advantaged’ as a small portion of the funding (less than 20%) for my organization is. Yet you guys seem comfortable attacking my organization for being a 501c3 and remain silent on the NRA, while Wayne LaPierre holds down a salary 10 times mine.
    If that is not hypocritical bullshit I don’t now what is.
    Posted by: steve frisch | 04 October 2015 at 11:44 AM

    I don’t think either organization SBC or the NRA…..or Planned Parenthood, or PETA, or NOW, or Rockefeller etc. should be the recipients of tax advantaged money.
    How am I doing on the Hypocrisy-Meter™?

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  7. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    steve frisch 04Oct15 10:45 AM
    “Just testing the level of hypocrisy you guys are willing to support.”
    In what way does the salary of the NRA’s CEO demonstrate hypocrisy on anybody’s part?

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    MichaelK 126pm – Over the years I have learned from these pages that, along with many other words that once had a common meaning, ‘hypocrisy’ among progressives has come to mean quite something else; more akin to what Carroll’s Queen of Hearts contributed to semantics.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    fish | 04 October 2015 at 01:14 PM
    Sounds like Frisch is envious of Mr. NRA. In my view none of them should get grants from the taxpayers. We are friggin broke as a nation and they just keep shoveling those fake dollars to SBC type organizations. I would like to see Mr. Frisch forgo his salary this year and donate it to the homeless shelter. What do you think? The taxpayers might like that.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    LIBS have gone rabid, and frothing at the mouth.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/04/new-york-daily-news-state-dept-must-designate-nra-terrorist-organization/
    Never mind the ECO bastards have done more damage and acts of terrorism upon the American people.
    The NRA was the first anti discrimination group to form. ( When Democrats set out to keep Blacks from owning guns… Yup LIBS are to blame, yet they say “they” are for minority rights.. Ya… Sure thing.. History says otherwise.)

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  11. Walt Avatar

    What’s SBC’s non profit status? Is it in one of those that are prohibited from making political statements? ( That includes anyone directly involved with said Org.)
    Yup,, when a given “non profit” is in a certain class, those who run it give up some 1ST Amendment rights. You get gov. money, your actually paid to keep your opinion to yourself.
    The NRA isn’t one of those ORG’s.

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  12. steve frisch Avatar
    steve frisch

    Posted by: Walt | 04 October 2015 at 03:19 PM
    “Yup,, when a given “non profit” is in a certain class, those who run it give up some 1ST Amendment rights. You get gov. money, your actually paid to keep your opinion to yourself.”
    You are 100% incorrect Walt. 501c3 non-profit organizations like the one I work for are a allowed to weigh in on policy information, do public information and advocacy and support or oppose ballot measures. There is a test of ‘how much’ which is called the substantial portion test, which is roughly 20% of ones budget, which SBC has never even come close to exceeding, averaging about 2%.
    So I am not “paid to keep my opinion to myself.

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  13. Walt Avatar

    “work for”?? Now there is a good one. So is the term “non profit”.
    Yet you bitch about the NRA having a public say.
    Glad to know my donations actually go to a worthy cause. Giving the likes of you heartburn.
    To bad there is no law mandating the ownership of a gun like there is in Switzerland.
    And there it’s a fully automatic. That’s the law. (unless your a criminal and can’t.)
    BTW.. The gun grabbers have been losing in court on a regular basis. Yup,, even here in Ca.
    The so called “waiting period” has been deemed unconstitutional. The law requiring a waiting period for every gun purchase, is also going down.
    Non of those laws have proved to do what they were supposed to do.( except get those who needed one quickly, killed by those they needed a gun to protect them, FROM.)

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Required reading for our gun grabbers,
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/28/when-anti-gunners-say-gun-safety-they-dont-mean-it/
    Some New york stupidity
    “Madeline Singas, Acting District Attorney for Nassau County, New York, is a hypocrite. Worse, she is willing to gamble with the lives and safety of her staff and their families for her own perceived political benefit. While claiming “a commitment to justice, compassion, and integrity” and boasting about keeping “more vulnerable people safe,” she enforces a policy of mandatory disarmament amongst the attorneys who put their own safety on the line to administer justice in her jurisdiction. On Monday, Prof. Eugene Volokh broke the story that the Nassau County District Attorney’s Office bars prosecutors from having handguns, even at home.”
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/28/witless-for-the-prosecution-new-york-da-forces-staff-to-forgo-second-amendment-rights/#ixzz3neCvFxV4
    And Utah gets a moment of sanity
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/26/utah-supreme-court-employees-cannot-be-fired-for-self-defense/

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Frisch has figured out how get back at the txpayers through this “non-profit”.. I think he has quite the devious mind.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Now here are the good stories of the use of guns. Nope,, won’t see these in the LIB media.
    Take note of just how often.
    https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/
    Take a look Steve,, I dare ya’. Or do you think your eyes will burn out just because it come from the NRA? ( “NO!! I will not GO THERE!! )

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  17. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “You are 100% incorrect Walt.” Steve
    This statement may be, in the annals of message board posting, out of the millions of post- THE most universally true statement of all time.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George, you write “And all that as Team Obama does its best to disarm law abiding America.”
    Somehow I can’t grasp the idea that passing and enforcing Federal laws to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people and psychopaths will be a threat to our existense as a free country. You have no problem with constitutional issues as a result of preventing Muslim American citizens from sensitive government or military positions but go into red alert over any attempt to have gun laws to protect Americans from nut cases on a killing rampage.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So Paul Emery, are you saying a person wishing to by a gun go through a battery of psychiatric testing? Who would do it and where would that take place? If a person is “normal” yet murders others (happens every day, greed, lust, etc.), would those who diagnosed the person be held liable? Who would pay for it? Since it is a set of laws you re proposing?
    Crickets I bet.

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  20. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “So Paul Emery, are you saying a person wishing to by a gun go through a battery of psychiatric testing?”
    Todd, since you interjected on my comment on the other board directed to Paul, I will interject here and say- from my view- YES to your questions above. YES, exactly. Our nation can figure out how to conduct these tests in a non-political objective way.
    But again I would surmise- you guys seem a bit worried about the results of such test. Doth protest a bit too much.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    No Crickets Todd
    Yes, there should be some kind of mental fitness process before issuing gun permits, which I believe in. Not a perfect solution but will save some lives if they can root out a few nut cases.

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  22. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 05 October 2015 at 12:42 PM
    Our nation can figure out how to conduct these tests in a non-political objective way.

    The naivete’ you routinely display when posting is simultaneously hilarious and terrifying.

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  23. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    I’ll interject as well, there should be some mental fitness determination along with a screen for domestic violence threat, which would mean a number of posters here would be disqualified 🙂

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, please answer all the questions from my post.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Since the “father” of the killer was anti-gun, how is it that his teachings did not take hold of the man? I say we should prosecute the father. Bring him over from England and slap him with accessory to murder.

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 05 October 2015 at 12:56 PM
    There’s a bold claim…..can you document it?

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Who would do it?
    Determined by the law. Not much different than a drivers license. No liability, Paid for by the applicant as in all licensing procedures.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Another consideration which Fuzz mentioned. Suppose Joe Blow passes the background and mental fitness check and is issued a gun permit. Then Joe Blow has a real bad string of unfortunate events. His wife takes off with the insurance salesman, his kids clean out his bank account, he gets fired, and gets ridiculed on some blog for being a stupid idiot fatso. And his friends hang up on him when he tries to reach out. Not to mention that when he called suicide hotline, he could hear the voice on the other end repeating aloud what Joe was telling her to the laughter of a room of people.
    Dear nice law abiding Joe, who was issued a gun permit, now goes off the deep end. He nuts up and grabs his legally issued six shooter and goes out on a hunting trip to the mall.
    So, how long are gun permits issued for? Want an expiration date like on your driver’s license or credit card? Do you purple types want another “look at the ink blots” test every 5 years moving forward? Every 3 years, twice a year? Would that make you feel safe and serene?

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Hey Paul, how about you propose a tattoo on everyone;s arm so you can keep track of who is sane and who isn’t?

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Bill
    Should be renewed like any license at an appropriate time. Should be revocable dependent on behavior much like a drivers license is to someone who is exhibiting advancing dementia upon doctors recommendation to the DMV.

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BillT, using Emery’s logic I say we should run him through a series of sanity tests and have him pay for them. Since he fells the 2nd Amendment is a “privileged” not a right, why not his job as a “journalist”? The media does more to pollute the minds of the people than the NRA. And many believe the media is responsible for inciting the violence they decrie!

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 05 October 2015 at 01:58 PM
    That’s a point I raised over the weekend regarding charging and licensing to exercise ones rights. The right I mentioned was abortion but I think that the 1st amendment is fair game as well if this is a road we choose to go down.

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I am not choosing it but simply comparing his insane points with my insane points.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    As mentioned in my 2:12p
    stevefrisch says:
    October 4, 2015 at 8:25 am
    I can hear the response already; if you ‘liberals’ and ‘collectivists’ want to fund law enforcement and mental health providers to have up to date information for background checks you have to do it by a) defunding Obamacare, b) defunding Planned Parenthood, c) defunding climate adaptation and mitigation, and d) eliminating subsidies for renewable energy. 🙂
    Reply
    Ah…..the smiley emoticon!
    Do you want people purchasing firearms to pay for their own background checks? A position not completely unreasonable.
    If we’re in the business of paying to exercise our “rights” perhaps an abortion surcharge is in order as well.
    Posted by: fish | 04 October 2015 at 08:57 AM

    You have a fee schedule in mind to discuss matters political, have medical procedures, and exercise the right to armed self defense Paul?

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Do we get a credit when we use a firearm for self defense? Since a psychiatrist charges $300 bucks a hour, and may want a second opinion, does that become a unfair tax or fee. Is that consider a credit towards bail?

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  36. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The plumber walks into the psychiatrist’s home, stays 10 minutes, and hands the head shrinker a bill for 85 dollars. The irate psychiatrist tells the plumber “You work here ten minutes and charge me $85!? I am a licensed psychiatrist with years of schooling and training to enable me to charge $300 an hour and you want $85 dollars for 10 minutes work!!” The plumber replied, “Yeah, when I was a psychiatrist I only made $300/hour as well.”

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    I probably shouldn’t have posted this…..
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-chicago-shootings-and-homicides-in-september-20151002-htmlstory.html
    ….and for the love of all things holy no one here should click on that link!

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    You are mentally incapable of engaging in a controversial discussion with someone who disagree’s with you without resorting to personal attacks. I hope they spot that when you have to apply for a gun license. Desiring to dance on the graves of those who disagree with you is a behavior pattern of concern for someone who may wish to carry a gun.

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  39. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Gentlemen and lady. Let’s quit the nicpicking and look at the big picture, shall we.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/736643053136401/?type=3&theater

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  40. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Aha! So this is what the libs mean by politicalizing the shootings. Wonder if he is on the phone gabbing to the Brotherhood about their White House invite.
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost

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  41. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “You are mentally incapable of engaging in a controversial discussion with someone who disagree’s with you without resorting to personal attacks.”
    Paul, there seems to be a number who fit that bill… the old advice regarding stones and glass houses applies.
    “I hope they spot that when you have to apply for a gun license.”
    The hyperbole aside, we’d be well down a Stalinist path if low level bureaucrats could decide to curb your constitutional rights on a whim. Having a bureaucrat deny a gun purchase sought by someone who meets all the statutory requirements should not be treated lightly.
    I suspect if the Frisches of the country were in charge of determining mental competence for firearms purchases, they’d have a Catch-22 in place that declared anyone who wanted a firearm was insane and was therefore barred from buying or keeping one.

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  42. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 06 October 2015 at 08:09 AM
    You mean like NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre who received a draft deferment during the Vietnam War draft due to a nervous disorder?

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  43. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 06 October 2015 at 08:16 AM
    You mean like NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre who received a draft deferment during the Vietnam War draft due to a nervous disorder?

    Do we even know that LaPierre is a firearms owner?
    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 05 October 2015 at 12:56 PM
    I’ll interject as well, there should be some mental fitness determination along with a screen for domestic violence threat, which would mean a number of posters here would be disqualified 🙂

    Have you any plans to document your claim?

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  44. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: fish | 06 October 2015 at 08:27 AM
    I made no specific claim. I think you fall into George’s ‘Gruberized’ category.
    But if you must, several people here have long court records including harassment and a number of family court matters.
    My observation is that a number of posters here are in my estimation bat shit crazy.
    And statistically speaking given the number of posters some percentage of them would surely be disqualified.

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/lapierre.asp
    There’s apparently nothing substantiated about that, Steve, but thanks for trying to play the trash someone else’s sanity without facts game.
    He was a college student back when student deferments were easy to get and so it is far more likely he would have ridden that to a point where he was old enough not to get drafted, and not sought a 4-F which would have haunted him to his dying day.

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I don’t know Gregory but when somebody writes words that in effect say that “I’ll be glad when you’re dead” about someone who has a different lifestyle or opinions it causes some concern as to a persons mental state. What if a Muslim were to say they would enjoy reading obituaries of Christians in the local paper should they be able to buy guns and ammunition?

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  47. John Avatar
    John

    Steve Frisch, 8:43, it would be easy to declare you bat shit crazy as well, based on many questionable comments here over the years. Can you not see the danger in going down the road of judging someone’s sanity based on your disagreement with their past statements or perceived ideology?

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 06 October 2015 at 08:46 AM
    We can always rely on Paul Emery putting words i our mouths. Jeeze Paul don’t you have enough words in your own mouth? Is that how you report the news on KVMR? Now the readers can see why no one in America believes the media.
    What I said was very long and complex regarding the hippy scum. They were across America and the media made them heroes. While most of the young people were working and raising families these scum of the left were wrecking the country. Then over time they became the people running the government, the ones that have been removing your Constitutional rights and spreading PC. And I just can’t wait to see their obituaries in the paper. Anyway, I stand by my opinion.
    If you notice I never mention the scum’s demise through anything but natural causes. What a hoot!

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