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George Rebane

Predictably Barack Hussein Obama voiced his conclusions and exhortations for gun control before the Roseburg bodies had cooled, the wounded were out of surgery, and any relevant information about the shooter and the shootings had been released by the police – anything to take people’s minds off his debacles in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  Our national demagogue again addressed the gruberized in an attempt to make them believe that these rare shootings are a national problem that far outweighs those that happen in gun controlled cities day in and day out.  Nowhere did he rise to address the 50 Chicago shootings two weekends in a row – to that sumbich black lives don’t matter, but Agenda21 does.

According to the Rebane Doctrine all gun control laws in legislative debate should address their impact on the Founders’ intent for including the Second Amendment in our Constitution.  Will the new law make it more difficult for citizens to successfully oppose a future rogue government as anticipated by the Founders and echoed by patriot Americans over the last two centuries?  The progressives promoting world socialism always want to divert us from the hundreds of millions of their own citizens that collectivist tyrants have murdered during the last century.  And they do it with the ever popular, ‘It can’t happen in America.’  In the mid-1930s ‘It can’t happen in Germany’ was used to keep the very educated and cultured masses quiet and compliant, even while Stalin was slaughtering kulaks by the tens of millions a few hundred miles away.

Anyone want to make book on what part religion, specifically Islam, played in the mind of the Roseburg shooter?  And all that as Team Obama does its best to disarm law abiding America.  (For those interested, I’m prepared to go through some probabilistic calcs on the number of such people still loose in our population who will not be affected one whit by the Left’s proposed new gun laws.  As long as the perp knows he’s the only one with a gun, these killings will continue.  There are just too many of us, and enough of them.)

[2oct15 update]  Well, the comment stream below has grown enough to attract and include the obligatory leftwing arguments for functionally, if not absolutely, disarming America.  From those commenters we hear nothing about our president rushing to be the first to call for new gun laws, and the first to politicize the event.  The Left, of course, with Alinsky-style retorts, flips that event and accuses those reporting and countering the president’s remarks as instead being the first to politicize this tragedy.

What is important to note is that the Left again 1) says nothing about the non-enforcement of existing gun control laws, continuing their litany of ‘forget enforcement, just pass more restrictive laws’; 2) spells out no specific laws that could have had any effect on the latest shootings; and 3) totally ignores the horrendous history of state killings of citizens in countries that denied them guns (the Second Amendment’s raison d’etre).  As we see from the comment stream, the Left’s educated elites practice cynicism of the highest order in arguing that our ongoing social breakdown is due to factors such as legal gun ownership, western religiosity, capitalistic greed, market-based income inequality (anti-unionism), intrinsic distrust of government, … .  To them society should be organized around an all-encompassing government guided by collectivist elites under whom work legions of altruistic technocrats striving to implement a comprehensively-regulated social order, all for the “greater good”, that is uniquely visible in their lights.

Again, I invite the attentive reader, in these first decades of the last great century of Man, to identify any common ground between our polarized and gruberized body politic that would just support functional communication, let alone that may contain a path to reunion as a citizenry of a sustainable sovereign nation-state.

[6oct15 update]  Rumor has it that President Obama will take his gun control politicizing to Roseburg.  Folks up there don't cotton to Obama, and most certainly his use of this tragic event to grandstand his 2nd Amendment agenda.  The man does not have a sense of decorum or knows that not everyone is a progressive eager to hear the pap he spews.  That, of course, may come as a surprise to some of our locals who think that only a remote group of knuckle dragging old farts in these hills don't take kindly to his politics.  For those progressives, here's an illuminating video of an O'Reilly segment. 

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281 responses to “Obama shoots from the lip on Roseburg (updated 6oct15)”

  1. Stevenfrisch Avatar
    Stevenfrisch

    I should clarify, I did not single a specific person other than Ackerman as an idiot.

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  2. Stevenfrisch Avatar
    Stevenfrisch

    Did you read my post Fish? I’m saying lets do exactly what people here claim they want, vigorously enforce the existing laws, which will cost money. Did people somehow miss that?

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Stevenfrisch 136pm – Don’t know why anyone would be against the enforcement of enacted laws. But this administration is not too keen on that approach having cherry picked which laws to enforce on a blatantly ideological basis – they’ve even violently abrogated ‘prosecutorial discretion’, correctly assessing that their gruberized constituents would not know the definition of such an executive action.
    So if we decide to be a law enforcing nation, then let’s either enforce them all, or first launch a program to remove from the books those laws we consider inappropriate (for a long list of reasons) and/or unenforceable.

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Stevenfrisch | 03 October 2015 at 01:36 PM
    Oh no Steve I read the post. I notice that for this tragedy you’ve changed your tack that’s all.
    We hear regularly from you, Ben, and jon, and Ed Peritz, and KKKrazy Doug that public opinion is inexorably sliding your way. Given that, you should have little difficulty getting either more legislation or supplemental legislation passed to bolster law enforcement gun restriction efforts. Further I’ve never known a sheriff who wouldn’t testify before an appropriations hearing for additional funding so you’ve got that in your favor as well.
    Really, this should be a no brainer for you guys.

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  5. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “My guess is you’re lack of a strong female figure …”
    That’s “your”, Steve, as in “Steve, you should pull your head from your ass before posting.
    Yes, Frisch, a pink-collar ghetto like all too many schools. Boys need strong men in their lives lives, and deserves male POV when conflicts are settled and policy is set.
    Strong women?/) Do tell. Both my wives earned Masters degrees and my first wife was a competitive targetshooter. Second wife is a wikipedia admin and organizer of their efforts to improve coverage of notable women. One was Irish-German, the other full blooded Serbian and Frisch would not want/have wanted to get in either’s way.
    Frisch sounds like he’s been watching Oprah a’gin.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    When parents turn over their kids to a institution like a school, isn’t that shifting the safety of those kids to that institution? Yes it is. Why do we want to send our kids to places that are “gun free” zones and leave our kids undefended? That is what the left wants and has always fought for. Leave people unable to fend off the bad guys and replace defense with YAPPING! The vet who tried to talk reason with the perp scumbag got more bullets for his efforts. If he has a handgun the outcome would have been way different. People like Frisch can’t even give the dead their due with a belief in GOD for goodness sake.
    So, Frisch and FUE sit in their comfy houses and whine and complain that people want to defend themselves. To what end? My goodness people like Frisch are a true danger to civilization.
    Lastly, Frisch, I understand that you have no friends so your attitude about calling people idiots who are friends of mine or others is a alien concept. When you call a friend of mine names, be prepared for a return bout.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Remember “fast and furious”? The gun running by the Gov.? It was such a great idea to give guns to drug lords. All in an attempt to make gun shops look bad, and trash the 2ND Amend.
    Now LIBS spew utter BS about “gun show loopholes”, that don’t exist. (as usual,, just make shit up)
    The folks in Oregon are not calling for gun grabbing,, just the opposite. They want more good people to pack.
    EVERYWHERE there is strict anti gun laws crime is sky high.(but our LIBS won’t touch that fact) S.F.,, Chicago,, Detroit,, N.Y City,, etc.
    As stated before, there were just as many killed and injured in Chicago over the weekend that at that collage. where is the LIB outrage about that? Your anti gun crap is sure working in those places.

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  8. Walt Avatar

    LIBS love to whine about the EVIL Repubs shutting down the gov.
    Look how the worm turns.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/03/cuomo-doubles-shut-government-force-gop-support-gun-control/
    “Cuomo signed the SAFE Act gun control package into law in January 2013. Through it, he and his fellow New York Democrats banned “high capacity” ammunition magazines and “assault weapons” while implementing universal background checks and firearm registration. Although these gun controls were passed with pledges to make New Yorkers safer, firearm-related homicides are surging in NYC”.
    My gun manufacturing stocks will surely go up. LIBS are the best gun salesmen.

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  9. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 03 October 2015 at 02:06 PM
    Mea culpa Greg, but the spelling error was that I was lacking the “ing” in ‘lacking’, so the you’re as the contraction of ‘you are’ was grammatically correct.
    By the way you did not originally say “pink collar ghetto” you said “pink ghetto.”

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  10. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 03 October 2015 at 01:50 PM
    George, I ut a specific proposal on the table: let’s join together to fully fund implementation of the existing laws. You responded with the equivalent of let’s “remove from the books those laws we consider inappropriate….” It does not work that way my friend. You and the NRA have been saying ‘enforce existing laws’, I am proposing exactly that. But I think you have hit on what the NRA’s strategy would be if such a proposal were to gain traction, they would say it’s not good enough, and would seek advantage, in contravention to what they have been saying all these many years.
    Whether you like it or not prosecutorial discretion has become not only widely accepted in American law, but in most cases probably cuts in favor rather than against gun owners. We use prosecutorial discretion because of the need for individualized treatment for defendants ( for example when a defendant is otherwise a law abiding citizen as opposed to have a long list of priors), because statutes cannot predict all of the behaviors of a defendant, because we cannot review all of the decisions of a court, or because we have multiple statutes under which a defendant can be prosecuted and we don’t want to treat two defendants charged with the same crime in similar circumstances differently in order to gaunt equal protection.
    My guess is that prosecutorial discretion is more likely to mean that someone who is poor and has a bad lawyer is more likely to go to prison for the same gun crime than someone who is wealthy and can afford a good lawyer.

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  11. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Walt | 03 October 2015 at 02:59 PM
    Walt you are so full of sh*#. Here is a list of the top 20 states for gun deaths. Note that all are ‘red’ states, and that no permit is required for the purchase of a firearm in 19 of the 20 states.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-by-gun-top-20-states-with-highest-rates/2/

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  12. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 03 October 2015 at 02:57 PM
    Todd I suggest you check your facts, the UCC campus was not a gun free zone under a recent Oregon Supreme Court case, only certain buildings on the campus were allowed to be gun free. If someone had a concealed carry permit and notified the school they were allowed to carry their gun.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF 442pm – I’m not sure I understand your complaint. I’m not against enforcing existing laws, especially if clean house of all the garbage we have on the books. I detect that your enforcement nostrum is based on raising a whole slew of new taxes to pay for the exercise, instead of reallocating from the insane things on which government now spends.
    And prosecutorial discretion is not used as you describe. It’s use is intended for prosecutors to enforce laws that they prioritize as necessary for social order when they don’t have the resources to enforce all laws as intended by the legislatures. But over the years PD, as many legal analysts have written, has become a major tool in the corruption of our legal system. And yes, that assessment is one-sided, the Left thinks that the shit that goes on in our courts is just fine.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I think Frisch thinks he is so cute. Co-op the idea of enforcing the existing laws and somehow putting the pro-2nd people is some box or something. Totally bigus. There are an estimated 20,000 gun laws and look what happens. The bad guys don’t give a shit, do they Frisch? Greg and GeorgeR are totally correct. There is no putting the “genie” back on the bottle. Guns are here to stay.

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  15. Walt Avatar

    LOL!!! Go pound sand Steve, The Brady campaign?? That lying sack of Commie LIBS??
    I don’t need no stink’n “permit” to buy a gun.
    Yup,, Chicago is sure a safe place. Care to walk at night in Detroit?
    Nope,, you won’t address those facts.
    The gun grabbers love to use Common Core math to come up with “their” numbers.
    Just like the Obummer administration comes up with low unemployment numbers while a record number of people are out of work.
    Start by disarming LIBS and their constituency, and watch the rates drop.
    Hit the gang neighborhoods and take their guns. ( never mind how fast they will bitch about civil rights violations will hit.)
    You only care about violating the law abiding gun owner’s civil rights.
    It’s a good thing, things are just not going the gun grabber’s way. The masses don’t buy that bullshit.
    ” He who gives up liberty for security deserve neither”. ( Now who said that Steve?) It still rings true today.
    OK smart guy, You need to dial 911 right now. How many minutes will it take for the cops to show up? Remember. Seconds count.
    Your PC crap, and gun free zones kill people.

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  16. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 03 October 2015 at 04:59 PM
    I do agree with you George that that is another use of prosecutorial discretion and that it’s a source of corruption of result in our legal system.

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  17. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 03 October 2015 at 05:08 PM
    It does put the 2nd amendment people in a box Todd. The NRA has consistently fought against enforcement of existing gun laws. That is just a fact. If they were faced with actually getting their way they would oppose it.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Again. Robbery is illegal too. That didn’t stop the hold ups this last weekend. Did they Steve? ( and they used a gun too… Also a law against that.. How did that law work out?)
    Too back the store clerk didn’t have a gun of his own and end that criminal career.

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  19. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Walt | 03 October 2015 at 05:32 PM
    Facts are stubborn things Walt. I looked up the Brady campaign study and the citations are straight from the FBI crime statistics.

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  20. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    As usual, Frisch is lying.
    The Oregon decision allowing carry on University grounds doesn’t apply to the individual community college districts. Yep, they’ll probably get to it, and if there was an arrest it would probably force the ruling eventually, but for now the UCC policy forbidding possession everywhere on campus is the only notice students get.
    And, the big blind spot, his link to gun death rates by state mean nothing as there are many more suicides than murders, and justifiable homicides, actions of self defense, count the same as a murder or a suicide. Of course gun owners in Utah are more likely to use a gun to off themselves then the depressed in Washington DC or NYC.
    Shame on you, Stevie. You should know better and I’d not be surprised if you do.
    To see how much black lives matter to the president, here’s a red dot for each of the 60 murder victims in Frisch’s Chicago last month. I checked, there is one white, a couple of Hispanic and a smattering of unknown. The vast majority are black.
    http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2015-chicago-murders/timeline?mon=9
    Nice going Rahm. Obama, too. Chicago has, on average, about 1 and a half UCC massacres every week.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 03 October 2015 at 05:59 PM
    Now Greg ….to raise the Chicago issue is racist.
    It looks like Steve and the guys clearly have public opinion on their side. A sure winner in the presidential campaign. All that remains is for one of the democrat candidates to pick up the issue and run with it. Andrew Cuomo is suggesting that the democrats shut down the government until they achieve their gun control goals…..and we all know just how serious that is.
    Time to govern then…..show that the democrats can stand up to the gun lobby.

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  22. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    The Dems will run with the gun issue and it will be a front-and-center winner in 2016. Way past the point of worrying about the comfort level of NRA members with federal gun legislation.

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  23. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 03 October 2015 at 05:59 PM
    Greg you are simply wrong about UCC being a ‘gun free zone’. UCC is and was exactly as I described it in my earlier post. I suggest you also click on the link to the video in the attached.
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 03 October 2015 at 06:48 PM
    That’s the spirit jon. Should we “mark the tape”?

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  25. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 03 October 2015 at 05:59 PM
    Oh and here it is from The Oregonian, since I know the tendency before checking the actual facts within an article would be to reject the source.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2015/10/umpqua_community_college_not_a.html

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  26. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    exactly right fish. MARK THE TAPE. Until I’m wrong in my predictions, I’m going to keep doing it.
    PS. Only thing I’m totally unsure about is the eventual Repub nominee. Total tossup now, with the potential for Ben Carson to make a massive flub…and for Fiorina to be skewered to death on her corporate record. Rubio and Kasich dark horses perhaps?

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 03 October 2015 at 07:37 PM
    When will you be going on the record with your nominee predictions?

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  28. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    January 1 or so.

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  29. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Nobody has stated exactly what stricter gun control legislation looks and feels like. Hey, someone from the Purlpe Squad throw out a specific list of 4-5 items out there. Lay it on us gunslinging renegades. Until I see it in writing and give it the ole evil eye once over, I can’t give good gun legislation a thumbs up or the dreaded big big thumbs down.
    Gee, that last “we got to pass it to find out what is in it” ain’t living up to hype.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/559330740883819/?type=3&theater

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Looks like Stevie’s superficial readings struck a’gin.
    Stevie, find the hyperlink in the story you shared that reads ‘the Court of Appeals ruled’. Read it. Find the text that states, “A three-judge panel of the Oregon Court of Appeals said that an Oregon University System ban on guns exceeds its authority and is invalid.”
    It’s their Court of Appeals, and it affirms no right of college students throughout Oregon to carry guns. It just invalidated OU’s policy of the time as exceeding their authority.
    What a maroon.
    It should also be mentioned that the student who was carrying that day said he didn’t care about the college’s rule; he had his permit from the state and the 2nd Amendment. Imagine that.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2011/09/oregon_court_of_appeals_reject.html

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  31. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    In housekeeping news, Steven Frisch, rentseeking 6 figure CEO at the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council (it isn’t a Council of Businesses in the Sierra Nevada), ran squealing over behind the Peeline curtain to tell tales out of school… that I actually called Sandy Hook School a pink ghetto. Virtually 100% female, a Bozo No No in Frisch’s and Peeline’s book. After all, she died a hero!
    Yes, she acted heroically to try to save students, and failed. But for years before that, she managed to staff the school entirely with women. Now, had it been a white man who died trying to save kids but had staffed a school entirely with whites despite the area being 50% black, I’m going to make a wild guess that he’d find some way to mention that as a wrongdoing.
    Boys deserve male role models in significant numbers among their elementary school teachers. Argue against that, Stevie and Jeffie. Imagine if it was a 50% black school and the only black was the janitor.
    And on a similar issue, Steve, just what is the black population in the area of Truckee? How many blacks do you employ? And, at the Sierra Business Council, what is the average salary of women and the average salary of men, across all employees whether hourly and salaried staff.

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  32. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 03 October 2015 at 08:26 PM
    Gee Greg, you must not have read the article. If one has a CCP they may carry on Oregon campuses. Re-read the article.

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  33. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “what happened at Roseburg could happen at any school”
    Really? At the school Obama’s daughters go to?
    At the school any left-wing-nut anti-2nd amendment public official sends their kids to?
    I asked for specific legislation that would have prevented the shooting at Roseburg and Frisch comes up with an anti NRA rant and a bunch of nonsense that does not address the issue of why we have so many young men wanting to kill people as answer to their meaningless lives.
    Typical left wing response.
    Throw more money at it.
    So they can go after more law abiding citizens?
    Roseburg needs to grieve?
    Chicago does this every week end.
    What about them?
    I’ll ask again – what specific legislation would you propose that would have stopped this person from obtaining guns to murder people?
    Remember that our borders are so porous that folks can freely come and go with all sorts of contraband. All manner of drugs are already illegal and yet anyone of any age can buy what they want without regard to laws.
    We know what stops this sort of mayhem and the left wants it only for the select few and to hell with the average person.

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, let’s see what does The Donald says about this. That settles all disagreements.
    http://news.yahoo.com/trump-defends-2nd-amendment-following-oregon-shootings-222857153–election.html

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  35. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Gee Steve, you must not have read deeply. If the law allowing campus carry goes back to 1989, how were the state universities and colleges banning them in 2012?
    “People who enter business relationships with state universities must agree not to carry guns on campus property. Those include students, employees, contractors, people buying tickets to university events or people renting university property.”
    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/03/oregon_state_board_of_higher_e_7.html
    Answer… administratively.

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Steve, you forgot the question… is the Sierra Business Council still 0% black in much the same way Sandy Hook School teaching staff was 0% male?

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  37. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    That’s right Scott. Throw more money at it. Exactly. Now you’re getting it Scott!
    With well over a TRILLION in military spending on our middle east fiasco since 2001, and considering the interesting ratio of domestic mass murder gun violence attacks to terrorist attacks, I think we just MAY want to shift the priorities just a little. Yeah, maybe…unless your Muslim paranoia is OK with a TRILLION dollars thrown around many thousands of miles from home.

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  38. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 03 October 2015 at 08:41 PM
    Greg I just happen to think the term “pink ghetto” was incredibly disrespectful the way you used it. The fact that you used the term is right up there in your post in black and white.
    I think you have known all along that I also post at Jeff’s. My original list that you responded to appeared at Jeff’s first. Seems like you guys spend quite a bit of time reviewing Jeff’s blog for a guy you say is irrelevant.
    Oh, and maybe you should read up a bit.
    Here is what you wrote:
    “But for years before that, she managed to staff the school entirely with women.”
    But Ms. Hochsprung was a relatively new Principal when the shooting had occurred, she had been on the job for 2 years. Now I don’t know much about teacher tenure but my guess is that most of the staff were already there when she came. Proving once again that you don’t do any research and don’t know you ass form a hole in the ground.
    “Hochsprung, of Waterbury, Conn., came to Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2010 with 12 years of administrative experience. She received a bachelor’s degree in special education from Central Connecticut State University in 1993, a master’s in special education from Southern Connecticut State University in 1997, and a sixth-year degree in educational leadership from Southern in 1998, according to NewsTimes. ”
    http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20656736_20656824,00.html
    As far as my employment situation is concerned, or my views on race, or my views on women in the work force, or my views on peanut butter for that matter, they are irrelevant to the post or the discussion, which really just goes to show me that when you are bested you revert to what you think might get my goat, which is what makes you such a classy guy.

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  39. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 03 October 2015 at 09:03 PM
    The point is Greg that at the time of the shooting the UCC campus was not a gun free zone,as the Oregonian stated, and that people with CCP were allowed on campus, and as proved by the video where on campus, which make mincemeat of your case.

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  40. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    FACTS really do mean nothing to you people 🙂

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yep, tossing more money at The Problem worked so splendid in public education, the war on poverty, and you can fill in the blanks. Yep, that is the Solution. Finally. The Problem will disappear under a mountain of cash. Next topic, please.
    Unrelated to my shred above.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/736546896479350/?type=3&theater

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  42. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Hey George, I almost forgot, if you object to the use of prosecutorial discretion by officers of the court like judges, what do you think of a Sheriff who refuses to enforce a law? Should they still be a Sheriff?

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  43. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Bill Tozer | 03 October 2015 at 09:22 PM
    I think you are missing the point Bill. We legally passed gun laws. The NRA systematically worked to defund agencies that enforce those laws and regularly lobby to restrict funding to enforce those laws. Now they are saying, “hey let’s enforce the existing laws.” So if we want to enforce the law it is going to cost something. Are you saying you are against spending what it takes to enforce the law?

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  44. John Avatar
    John

    Steve Frisch, do you object to people who pass a background check owning firearms?

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  45. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    So Frisch just wants to attack the NRA. He can’t or won’t address my repeated question. Apparently the entire law enforcement budget of the USA is gone due to the NRA.
    Funny – they managed to arrest a person for possessing a spent shot gun shell.
    But they need more money to do what?
    The shooter in Oregon broke no laws in obtaining the weapons he used. So how does throwing money at the problem stop the problem?
    I busted Frisch and he is too cowardly to respond. Oh well. Par for the course.

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  46. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: John | 03 October 2015 at 09:47 PM
    John, no I do not.
    But I also think that there should be a) a longer waiting period (30 days) to allow for more robust background checks, and b) tougher background checks, particularly around mental health and domestic violence issues. I also think that if a background check cannot be completed because law enforcement does not have the resources to complete one, which my friends in law enforcement tells me sometimes happens, that approval should be withheld.

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  47. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 03 October 2015 at 09:52 PM
    I am sorry Scott I did not see a question directed to me.
    If the question was what law would have prevented this shooting, I would say that universal background checks should not just cover cases where people have been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that they are a danger to the community or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) or have ever been committed to a mental institution. They should also cover people in treatment for any type of mental illness or prescribed with drugs to deal with mental illness (including depression).

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  48. John Avatar
    John

    Steve Frisch, 9:55. Your scenario that denies purchase of a firearm because law enforcement “doesn’t have the resources” to complete a background check is defacto prohibition, and subverts “the right of the people to keep and bear shall not be infringed.” How do you justify your position?

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