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George Rebane

Predictably Barack Hussein Obama voiced his conclusions and exhortations for gun control before the Roseburg bodies had cooled, the wounded were out of surgery, and any relevant information about the shooter and the shootings had been released by the police – anything to take people’s minds off his debacles in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  Our national demagogue again addressed the gruberized in an attempt to make them believe that these rare shootings are a national problem that far outweighs those that happen in gun controlled cities day in and day out.  Nowhere did he rise to address the 50 Chicago shootings two weekends in a row – to that sumbich black lives don’t matter, but Agenda21 does.

According to the Rebane Doctrine all gun control laws in legislative debate should address their impact on the Founders’ intent for including the Second Amendment in our Constitution.  Will the new law make it more difficult for citizens to successfully oppose a future rogue government as anticipated by the Founders and echoed by patriot Americans over the last two centuries?  The progressives promoting world socialism always want to divert us from the hundreds of millions of their own citizens that collectivist tyrants have murdered during the last century.  And they do it with the ever popular, ‘It can’t happen in America.’  In the mid-1930s ‘It can’t happen in Germany’ was used to keep the very educated and cultured masses quiet and compliant, even while Stalin was slaughtering kulaks by the tens of millions a few hundred miles away.

Anyone want to make book on what part religion, specifically Islam, played in the mind of the Roseburg shooter?  And all that as Team Obama does its best to disarm law abiding America.  (For those interested, I’m prepared to go through some probabilistic calcs on the number of such people still loose in our population who will not be affected one whit by the Left’s proposed new gun laws.  As long as the perp knows he’s the only one with a gun, these killings will continue.  There are just too many of us, and enough of them.)

[2oct15 update]  Well, the comment stream below has grown enough to attract and include the obligatory leftwing arguments for functionally, if not absolutely, disarming America.  From those commenters we hear nothing about our president rushing to be the first to call for new gun laws, and the first to politicize the event.  The Left, of course, with Alinsky-style retorts, flips that event and accuses those reporting and countering the president’s remarks as instead being the first to politicize this tragedy.

What is important to note is that the Left again 1) says nothing about the non-enforcement of existing gun control laws, continuing their litany of ‘forget enforcement, just pass more restrictive laws’; 2) spells out no specific laws that could have had any effect on the latest shootings; and 3) totally ignores the horrendous history of state killings of citizens in countries that denied them guns (the Second Amendment’s raison d’etre).  As we see from the comment stream, the Left’s educated elites practice cynicism of the highest order in arguing that our ongoing social breakdown is due to factors such as legal gun ownership, western religiosity, capitalistic greed, market-based income inequality (anti-unionism), intrinsic distrust of government, … .  To them society should be organized around an all-encompassing government guided by collectivist elites under whom work legions of altruistic technocrats striving to implement a comprehensively-regulated social order, all for the “greater good”, that is uniquely visible in their lights.

Again, I invite the attentive reader, in these first decades of the last great century of Man, to identify any common ground between our polarized and gruberized body politic that would just support functional communication, let alone that may contain a path to reunion as a citizenry of a sustainable sovereign nation-state.

[6oct15 update]  Rumor has it that President Obama will take his gun control politicizing to Roseburg.  Folks up there don't cotton to Obama, and most certainly his use of this tragic event to grandstand his 2nd Amendment agenda.  The man does not have a sense of decorum or knows that not everyone is a progressive eager to hear the pap he spews.  That, of course, may come as a surprise to some of our locals who think that only a remote group of knuckle dragging old farts in these hills don't take kindly to his politics.  For those progressives, here's an illuminating video of an O'Reilly segment. 

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281 responses to “Obama shoots from the lip on Roseburg (updated 6oct15)”

  1. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF 1046am – have not encountered such “numerous instances” in my readings; where did you?

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  2. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    Reply to Greg, 8:42 AM
    Greg, I understand your point but, for instance: shots ring out in a hallway and everybody in the adjacent classes recognize it as gunfire but maybe they don’t know if it happened in the hallway or a class. The “good guys” want to engage so 6 classroom doors open and extremely nervous and scared kid(s) with guns emerge, seeing other kids they don’t know with guns, and …….poof.
    Students aren’t well trained police officers. Yes, a kid might get lucky and be a hero but allowing the condition where a kid might be that hero involves overall risks that need to be carefully weighed. I would say that most “campus killers” could care less if students are, or aren’t, packing. They’re out for recognition and glory and they know they’re going to die. Plus, this argument still doesn’t account for concealed carriers having a “really bad day” and that mind filled with toxin starts considering certain options. Also, what about theft? You can’t wear your gun in gym class and other venues. The whole issue gives me the willies.

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Those people at the mall in Kenya appreciated it when the good guys with guns finally arrived.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, this was too predictable it’s pathetic.. Way to easy to make the call. As soon as the radio said “shooting in Anyplace, USA”, the libs blamed the guns, the gun laws, the Republicans, political opponents, gun owners, anybody but the pertretator. Anyone, anything. O was on the air while some victims were still pumping blood laying on gurneys in the ER. You can’t stop mental illness, but go ahead and blame that as well. It’s all my fault. I take full reonsibilty.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1443812625./722784407855599/?type=3&theater

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Addendum today. Even the lowly ants have “soldiers” to protect the anthill. The left would even deprive the queenie ant of those protectors.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    It’s easy to come up with scenarios in which legal guns are less than effective, and it finally comes down to a matter of judgment and preference. In my case, I would much rather have the killer be engaged for precious minutes by a courageous legal gun (trained or untrained), than systematically going down the line unhindered and executing innocents.
    I’m still interested to see a response to my 1050am.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “The “good guys” want to engage so 6 classroom doors open and extremely nervous and scared kid(s) with guns emerge, seeing other kids they don’t know with guns, and …….poof.”-Fuzz
    And the reason that has never happened is, what? Nervous people stay where they are and stand their ground without advancing. Fools and those who take an oath to protect the public are generally the ones that emerge.
    Regarding Frisch’s 10:47AM, perhaps if he can name a modern domestic US mass shooting that didn’t take place in a gun free zone we can take a closer look.

    Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”
    Read more at: <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund

    “>http://www.nationalreview.com/article/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund

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  8. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Regarding Kesti’s 10:25AM, I still remember a bellylaugh I got ages ago, possibly as far back as 1979… an old “60 Minutes” segment on a scam of the day, brazen theft in the middle of the day of the Infernal Business Machine of the day, the Selectric typewriter. Guys would walk into businesses acting like a repairman and carry them out. Sometimes with fake work orders.
    One of the convicted perps interviewed was asked why he started stealing IBM typewriters and the answer was classic… he had a number of burglaries under his belt but had been shot at a couple of times and wanted a safer method of stealing a living.

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  9. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    What is so damned difficult about requiring background checks on every single purchase of a firearm in America? Are some of the posters here, and some of the NRA hard liners- concerned they might not pass muster?
    Lets forget about car registration and driver licensure. Government intrusion. Unnecessary burden on god fearing Americans.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    re Jon’s 1259pm – Forgetting that already required background checks on gun purchasers would have stopped none/very few of the mass shootings at issue, the opponents of more background checks are leery of government’s ability to escalate the attributes to prohibit gun buyers over time. That this is an established government practice, just witness the erosion of our more benign freedoms by leftwing politicians and their like-minded faceless bureaucrats. We are continually relinquishing freedoms which the gruberized (diverted by bread & circuses) don’t notice, and the protests against which the rest of us are vilified by our progressive brethren.

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    It’s already illegal to be in the business of selling firearms without a license, and it’s illegal for a FFL holder to sell without a background check, even at a “Gun Show”. So, “Jon”, what firearms not being checked now would be picked up?
    A better question is why, with thousands of people apparently committing perjury on gun purchase paperwork attempting to buy firearms they should know are forbidden to them, why aren’t they arrested, convicted and incarcerated? The administration (I remember Biden stating this) thinks it’s enough that the transaction was halted.
    “Jon”, do you agree?

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  12. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Perhaps the ‘jon’ can explain how making gun crimes misdemeanors (prop 47) in CA is good. Background checks are not going to stop gang bangers who are the core of gun crimes/murders. You make it sound like black lives only matter if the killer is not black just like 0 never mentions the urban carnage in the big cities run by his leftist cronies that have the most restrictive laws on the books. Lets not forget that yesterdays shooting happened in a state that had enacted 0’s recommended gun rules. How did that work out?

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    “jon’s” ignorance of a “right” and a “privilege” is front and center. Maybe he can tell us where the US Constitution talks about drivers licenses? Better yet, maybe “arms” (weapons)?

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  14. Walt Avatar

    More people were killed, and/or injured over the weekend in Chicago than at the school.
    All those anti gun laws sure worked great,, didn’t they? Plenty of disarmed law abiders.
    But the criminals still have them. Imagine that.
    Every LIB rathole town with draconian anti gun laws, the killings are rampant, and well as sky high crime rates. Explain away that. Then,, where repubs run the show, and guns are prevalent, and owned by the law abiding citizen, killings and crime are drastically lower.
    These are facts. But LIBS can’t comprehend facts.

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  15. Walt Avatar

    Required reading for our gun grabbers.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/roseberg-oregon-residents-say-school-shooting-shows-citizens-must-armed/
    Nope ,, the people up there want MORE guns around,, not less.

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  16. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    It’s interesting how only one young man had the courage to try to protest others from the Roseburg shooter. Veteran Chris Minz charged the shooter, was shot many times and survived. Where were the protectors with guns?

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  17. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    As expected, its not worth trying to do anything again. Gun nuts know best.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Correct Bonnie, He tried to “reason” with him. ( talking to one’s enemie) That sure worked out well. Shot over six times. He lucky to just be alive.
    There was one CWP on the school grounds too. That person was not in position to help.
    Had he have been closer, the body count may have been lower. That, we will never know.
    What’s wrong “jon”? A community that got hurt by gun violence by a lone lunatic ain’t buying the LIB anti gun BS? Yup,, a LIB would be buttsore on that news.
    You can bet from here on out the schools there won’t be “gun free zones” for much longer.
    It’s a fact “jon”, where guns are,, the coward criminal isn’t. ( need a definition of the word “fact”? Funny,, you never use them.)

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Let me translate Jon’s 2:42:
    “The would-be gun banners (like “Jon”) who don’t have a clue what the current laws actually are and how they are being enforced won’t be passing more useless laws anytime soon.”
    Jon, why not just make mass murder illegal? Oh, right, all the common sense laws are already in place.

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    All the guns used in Oregon were purchased legally in a state with 0’s recommended gun laws. Brietbart had an interesting list of all the mass shooters who got their guns legally with background checks. Look at Israel, when the west bank was walled off and checkpoints were put it what happened since they could not smuggle a gun in? Stabbings and running over crowds with busses and construction equipment. If they want to kill multiple people they will. Parts for car bombs are not controlled other than bulk ammonium nitrate but anyone with the right training can get past that too. Correct me if I am wrong but the aggregate number of mass killings is a speck in the ocean of gangster blood.

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    This link is for the chicken shit “jon”.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/02/forget-oregon-s-gunman-remember-the-hero-who-charged-straight-at-him.html
    Chris Mintz charged the scumbag and was shot five times. He is a Army vet and somehow GOD kept him alive. Another hero against scumbags. So “jon” stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

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  22. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    jon-the-troll at 2:42 – “As expected, its not worth trying to do anything again.”
    Who advocated doing nothing jon?
    Frisch at 10:43 – “Yes by all means, lets wait for more ‘evidence’; as Jon aptly pointed out, nothing to see here, just the brains of some poor kid splashed across the walls of another school.”
    So the brains on the wall lead directly to what specific new ‘common sense’ gun law?
    I’ve yet to see anything from the left as to what law should be enacted that would have prevented this tragedy.
    And it looks like none will be forth coming.

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  23. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Oh Todd…angry bro? Its shaping up to be a great weekend, and thats all you have to talk about?
    How utterly sad and lonely you are. Get a damn life man!
    BTW, If you think the Gun Nut position will be a winning ticket in 2016, guess again boys.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Having a great life “jon”. Not angry about anything. You seem to be counting on your daddy to prove your prowess. Have a tough time pleasing the wife? Is she telling you to off the computer and do something around the house. You trolls are too funny!

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 02 October 2015 at 07:51 PM
    Probably right…..but given the fact that nearly 90 million firearms have been sold since president “Sugar Frosted Barry O’s” was elected I’m not sure that the “jons fainting couch and pearl clutching” ticket will do any better.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    In May, both houses of the Oregon legislature passed a bill that the Gov signed making gun buyers undergo background checks, even people who met on line. All gun sales. Common sense. Douglas County Sherriff was opposed to the new law in Oregon because “How do you enforce it?” So, common sense gun laws did not stop the murders. Hey libs, how are going to enforce a gun law that makes it illegal to purchase a firearm from neighbors or from a chat room or from a swap meet or garage sales without a waiting period and background checks??
    One person, any person, tell me just how you can enforce such news laws. We cannot even enforce the laws already on the books, asswipes.
    Just another toothless feel good law or reg or speech to spout how terrible this is and we should do something. Ok, shit for brains, tell me how you are going to enforce new or existing laws??????? You libholes are like toothless dogs threatening to gum somebody to death. BTW, that same Douglad County Sheriff is the man leading the investigation into the school shooting.
    Once again, how in the fudge do you propose to enforce existing gun laws????? Now, how are we going to enforce new gun laws??? The only ones who will follow the new or present laws are good law abiding citizens, jerk offs. Feel good rhetoric makes no one safer from the bad guys. We lock up bad guys and the libholes belly ache that we have too many bad guys rotting in jail. Build more jails and throw away the keys. That would make me “feel” safer.
    I bet not one of you appalled libs can come up with a reasonable answer to my questions. You are brain dead baby killers worried about firearms of all things.
    http://patriotpost.us/articles/38011

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  27. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The ‘jon’ is such a douche that he can not even toss a crumb to the vet who took 7 rounds trying to protect others, clear indication of his absence of character. When have you lifted a finger or put your body on the line for others in the real world B*#(%? Shaping up to be a great weekend is your view, anti religious scum bag offs Christians and the middle east in full war mode. Sounds like you would have met the shooters criteria for a girl friend, Pagan or wickens wanted, sorry you lost out on that date little man. Your last post seems to describe you. Sorry its too big a burden to show respect to a vet who stood up for others, obvious small man thing issues. Lots of projecting in that post that it almost sounds like he whos name we will not utter. Poser.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I bet “jon” crapped his undies when he read the vets efforts. “jon” is a total coward and has to rely on his daddy’s service for balls.

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall
  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Meanwhile back in California, at least 12 families returned to their homes after being evacuated in the Lake County fires to find their homes had been burglarized, vandalized, and ransacked. There ought to be more laws.

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  31. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Looks like this post by George on the tragedy in Oregon has gone the usual route. The left takes their cue from our nation’s idiot-in-chief by looking for the best sort of dead bodies to stand on to make political points about gun control. They offer not one single positive idea as to what sort of new law might be passed that would have prevented this shooting.
    The folks that try to defend human rights are shouted at as having ‘blood on our hands’ even though we certainly don’t advocate or defend this sort of behavior. And we do advocate preventing it by ‘common sense’ steps such as those taken by the pres to protect his own children.
    Our nation needs to stop worrying about the availability of weapons and focus on why we have such a high level of violence and so many young men growing up with no sense of purpose and direction. We can start with the state indoctrination in our govt schools teaching nihilism and humanism.
    Good luck with that.

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 909am – “…why we have such a high level of violence and so many young men growing up with no sense of purpose and direction.”
    Why indeed? And that is an unmistaken symptom of a culture-free society that has become ‘non-judgmental’ about the values and mores that sustained us. More unenforced and unenforceable gun laws will serve nothing to stop a problem that is more deeply systemic than any progressive will ever comprehend. However, such new laws will continue paving the road for a compliant population marching to authoritarianism.

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 03 October 2015 at 09:59 AM
    However, such new laws will continue paving the road for a compliant population marching to authoritarianism.

    I find myself much more sanguine about the legislation fetishists efforts than I did earlier. People are tuning them out! Compliance rates under the post Sandy Hook Connecticut assault weapons registration range from 5 to 15%.
    Pass all the legislation you want and go bankrupt (or worse) trying to enforce it !
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/425007/no-president-obama-america-not-australia-or-britain-charles-c-w-cooke
    http://articles.courant.com/2014-02-10/business/hc-haar-gun-registration-felons-20140210_1_assault-weapons-rifles-gun-registration-law

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  34. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    Dr. Rebane, you may have answered this question previously, but if you were “in charge”, how would you arrange security at schools? If Wayne LaPiere is right, “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”, then would you prefer to have every “good” student, male or female, carrying a pistol? If more armed students is good, then, by extension, max armed students is best. All of these students (many of whom have no gun experience) would need to go through serious training which could be provided by the local police department. If that seems too much, would you prefer to have all instructors trained and armed and to allow as many students to carry as were already permitted or interested in doing that? Do you happen to know the NRA’s position about this? (It’s been years since I’ve kept up with gun sport and the NRA.)

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  35. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Sorry, long one, bear with me.
    A community deserves its time to grieve. No community deserves that more this week than Roseburg Oregon, a community very much like many of our Sierra communities. I am posting this comment with the full knowledge that it will be controversial and will be seized upon by some as insensitive.
    The fact remains that the Umpqua Community College shooting is the 142nd school or university shootings in the US since 26 people died at Sandy Hook in 2012. We have a school shooting roughly once a month. 10,000 people a year are murdered with a gun, roughly three times more than died on 9-11. That is a new 9-11 every 4 months.
    The most insensitive thing we can do is not talk about the problem of gun violence and solutions to that problem in the wake a tragedy like Roseburg, so fewer families in the future will have to go through this pain.
    I was struck this week by the words of Erica Lafferty, the daughter of Sandy Hook Principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, who we remember for heroically standing between her killer and the children she was protecting. Ms. Lafferty was asked in the wake of her comments about Roseburg if some would say she was speaking out too soon after the shooting. Her response was that “we were too late.”
    After Erica Lafferty’s wedding in 2013, less than two years after her mother was gunned down along with 20 children between the ages of five and ten years old, she visited her mothers grave in her wedding dress to tell her mother Dawn that she missed her and wished she could have been there to see her joy. Ms. Lafferty has emerged as a cogent and powerful voice for gun control, and she, like her mother, is a hero.
    The argument made by many who consider themselves advocates of ‘gun rights’ is that we should “enforce the laws already on the books.” They say that nothing new we can do will slow gun violence, either from mass shootings or from the pernicious daily toll of murder, suicide and domestic violence that makes our nation one of the most violent developed nations in the world.
    No organization epitomizes this craven and impotent view more than the National Rifle Association.
    In 1968 the National Rifle Association was a sleepy little organization largely focused on gun safety training for hunters and marksmanship competitions. But all of that changed when Congress passed the Gun Safety Act of 1968 in the wake of the slayings of Martin Luther King Jr. and Bobby Kennedy. In 1975 the NRA began taking an active role lobbying to oppose gun control laws, many of which are on the books now, and are the very laws that modern ‘gun rights’ activists say that we should enforce instead of enacting new laws.
    Since 1975 the NRA has actively worked to reduce funding for the very same law enforcement agencies that were mandated to enforce gun laws, fighting to defund the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, opposing state budget allocations for firearms control agencies, opposing background checks, opposing mental health screening for gun purchases, opposing banning mentally ill veterans from owning guns, opposing the federal assault weapons ban, opposing closing he gun show and on-line purchase loopholes, opposing international agreements to slow the trade in guns, even reaching into domestic politics in Australia, Canada and Brazil to oppose gun control efforts oversees.
    At the same time modern ‘gun rights’ activists are saying we should ‘enforce the laws’ on the books, their premier lobbying organization, the NRA, has not only opposed those laws, they have consistently and effectively worked to defund enforcement of them.
    The hypocrisy of this position should not be allowed to stand. One cannot say, “enforce the laws” and oppose funding to enforce the law at the same time, then get away with using it as a rational against stricter gun control laws.
    So perhaps this is an area where ‘gun rights’ and gun control activists can agree: lets pass an omnibus national bill in the tens of billions of dollars to give local agencies the ability to enforce existing gun safety laws, and improve mental health screening, and lets get behind it together. After all, since 9-11 we have spent almost $1 Trillion rightfully protecting Americans from terrorism, perhaps we should agree that we should spend the tens of billions of dollars it will take to enforce existing gun control laws to avoid the death toll of a new 9-11 every 4 months.
    But we all know that is not going to happen. It’s not going to happen because the NRA and their mouthpieces in our local communities are never going to let it happen.
    No non-profit organization in American history has enriched itself more on the backs of the murdered than the NRA has. They have profited by sowing the seeds of fear of gun control in the wake of each new mass shooting as an opportunity to increase membership and power.
    In 1968 the NRA had a budget of about $9 million. But after they shifted to political activity in 1977 assets rose to more than $50 million per year in 1980. The NRA is also very adept at working US non-profit law; they set up separate funds; a 501c3 to manage their outreach and training, a 501c4 to engage in direct lobbying, an endowment to shield assets, and a robust stock portfolio, including extensive holding in firearms manufacturers.
    After Sandy Hook, in the wake of a new national dialogue about expanding gun control, NRA membership dues skyrocketed to $176 million per year and total revenue, including membership dues, corporate sponsorships, fees and investments rose to more than $330 million per year, and total revenue and assets approached $500 million in 2014. As a result the NRA has seen massive profits, or as it appears on a non-profit balance sheet a ‘surplus’, of more than $57 million in 2013 alone. Of course because the NRA is a non-profit organization none of this revenue is taxed, because under IRS code the NRA is a ‘public charity.’
    With all the money has come tremendous power. Washington D.C. insiders know the story; they rank the NRA as one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, lobbying organizations in the country, largely because they can motivate their 4 million members to punish elected officials who oppose their positions, which they do on a regular basis. Never mind that most NRA members are simple law abiding people who actually support background checks and common sense gun safety laws, all the NRA has to do is make them afraid and they become a roiling mass of angry pitchfork wielding punctures. They NRA runs candidates, recalls elected officials, funds PAC’s to advertise against candidates, and they make their friends powerful and rich. If you are with the NRA you can expect your campaign coffers and super-PAC’s supporting your candidacy to fill to the brim. Money is power and no one uses money in politics more effectively than the NRA.
    Want to see a list of NRA corporate sponsors and donors go here:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-03-14/the-nras-corporate-donors
    But of course the sponsorship program does not tell the whole story; the NRA also benefits from affiliate marketing, or payments from corporations for driving sales to their companies through their outreach channels, and if you want to go just about anywhere but your back yard in this country you can’t avoid supporting their ‘partners’. Almost every major car rental, hotel, airline and most major outdoor retailers have affiliate marketing programs with the NRA.
    One way the NRA uses that power is paying for professional ‘messaging’, or public relations messages that can be repeated at the local level to bolster their membership, divert peoples’ attention from the real issues of gun safety, and our atrocious record as a civilized country as the murder capital of the world. We hear those messages repeated time and time again. “Enforce the existing laws”, never mind that those are the very laws the NRA has opposed. “Look at Chicago”, never mind that you are as likely to die by gun in much of the rural midlands as you are in Chicago, because if we paint gun violence as a racial problem we can ignore the real issue. “It is a mental health problem”, never mind that the NRA supports giving people with mental health problems ‘gun rights’. ‘Guns don’t kill people, people kill people,” never mind that your chances of killing someone with a knife, bomb or hammer are about 1/100th as likely as a gun.
    Now lets bring this all home.
    I was also struck this week by how like much of the Sierra Roseburg Oregon is. We share a common landscape, the mountainous former timber dependent Sierra and Cascade region; we share demographics, largely aging white working and middle class, rural and community oriented; we share a political philosophy, mostly center-right, fiscally conservative and socially libertarian; and we share a former (and the original) Former Union Editor (and publisher) Jeff Ackerman.
    Yesterday Jeff Ackerman, now the Publisher of the News Review of Roseburg, Oregon, published his ‘notebook’ covering the killings at Umpqua Community College. You can find the full column below.
    http://www.nrtoday.com/news/18459435-113/publishers-notebook-right-now-its-time-to-heal
    What is the first thing Jeff Ackerman does in his column? He repeats the NRA talking point.
    “Nor is this the time to talk about guns, or whether or not new gun laws would have kept the horrific event at Umpqua Community College from happening Thursday morning. Nobody really knows that yet and … besides … this is also not the time for political rhetoric.”—Jeff Ackerman.
    Before he mourns the dead he repeats the NRA talking point that now is not the time to talk about guns and implies that anyone who does is engaged in divisive and insensitive political rhetoric.
    So I am going to say it loud and proud, Jeff Ackerman is an idiot.
    The shooter in your back yard, a mental health risk and former patient, had 13 guns, high capacity magazines, and body armor. If now is not the time to ask why that is possible Mr. Ackerman, then you are an idiot.
    Now let’s be clear, and agree where we can, it is time for Roseburg to, as Ackerman states, ‘unite’ and help the victims of this terrible tragedy; and we as a nation should do everything we can do to help. But Roseburg Oregon does not exist in a vacuum, it is part of a larger state and nation, and that nation is being torn apart by gun violence and murder, and NOT talking about that issue would be, as Erica Lafferty states, not to early but too late.
    Let’s really bring it home; what happened at Roseburg could happen at any school, shopping mall, large building, or gathering of people right here in Nevada County in a heartbeat. As a matter of fact it has, at the Nevada County Health and Human Services building and a restaurant in 2001 when Scott Thorpe, a mental health patient who was refusing treatment, gunned down three innocent people, Laura Wilcox, Pearlie Mae Feldman, and Michael Markle. If you are a parent, husband, wife, brother, sister or friend you could easily be amongst the 10,000 people a year who gets that call.
    And the people making it more likely you get that call are not just the gunmen, they are also National Rifle Association and their allies.
    We share another common interest with Roseburg Oregon, we are represented by elected officials who are either members of or are regularly quoted by right wing activist and anti-gun control activist Richard Mack, who is the President of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Police Officers Association, a strong NRA ally.
    Both our elected Nevada County Sheriff Keith Royal and Douglas County Oregon Sheriff John Hanlin have been strong and vocal opponents of gun control laws. We don’t need to repost the letters both Hanlin and Royal sent Vice President Biden opposing new measures after Sandy Hook and stating or implying that they would not enforce new federal gun control laws, they are linked above. But let’s take a look at Sheriff Hanlin’s testimony to the Oregon legislature as they were considering a background- check law last April:
    “SHERIFF JOHN HANLIN: This law is not going to protect citizens of Oregon in that it is going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. It will not do that. We have laws that prohibit the possession of other things, like methamphetamine, and it doesn’t stop it. What I fear most is that we are going to create criminals, and specifically felonious criminals, out of some of our most ordinary, normal, law-abiding citizens. Furthermore, I don’t know how I can, at least in my county, begin to try to enforce this law. Being a timber harvest-dependent county such as we are, our budget is continuously shrinking, to the point that there are times when we have a difficult time simply responding to domestic disturbances, vehicle crashes, the ordinary calls for service that happen every day. And to expect local law enforcement to run down and do an investigation into whether or not an individual, a private individual, has conducted a background check is nearly impossible. I urge you to consider this bill closely and to not pass it. It simply isn’t going to work for us.”
    Now it’s not my intent to just go after Sheriff Hanlin, or by association after Sheriff Royal, even though both should have known better than to align with such anti-government nonsense. Hanlin and his department did a stand up job protecting the public and putting their lives on the line to stop the UCC killer. They are heroes. I have no doubt that Sheriff Royal’s department would act and has acted with equal heroism when put to the test.
    Instead let’s challenge Sheriffs like Hanlin and Royal to make a bigger difference in the future by leading a movement amongst elected Sheriff’s across the nation to align with unlikely allies and advocate for the passage of a national omnibus bill to give local law enforcement agencies the funding they need to actually enforce our existing gun control laws. Let’s take the NRA’s asinine and hypocritical talking point off the table and see what the result is. Let’s work on the thing we all say we want. You support that Mr. Royal and I will support your re-election.
    Then let’s sit back and watch as the most powerful lobbying organization in the country attacks their former allies in Sheriff’s departments across the country and tries to take them down with their $500 million, because that is exactly what will happen.
    And let’s not be quiet as idiots like Ackerman counsel waiting for the next mass shooting. When is “the right time to speak?” There is a new mass shooting every month. We can’t wait for a decent interval to allow for mourning because a ‘decent’ interval does not exist any more.

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Armed security at the schools and kill the bad guy before he starts. Ackerman is correct. Frisch, as usaul is an idiot.

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  37. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 03 October 2015 at 11:04 AM
    There is no way you had the time to read and think about the column I posted, proving once again that your capacity for rational discourse is as limited as your…..ummm….shoe size.

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Frisch, you write like a three year old. And you think what you write is profound. You are a tremendous bore. Try harder.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    And you copy/pasted the crapola here to the FUE’s blog. God you are an idiot.

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch, there isn’t enough right with your screed for it only to be wrong.
    Let me say it long and proud, Ackerman was right, and Steven Frisch is an idiot and a useless bloody looney. That Ackerman dismisses the reactionary left’s demagoguery demanding gun controls before the bodies are cold speaks to his humanity and the lack of it among the Frisches of the country.
    We now know the latest shooter was born in England and purchased his guns legally, passing the background checks. Regarding Sandy Hook School we also know it was a pink ghetto with virtually no male staffers beyond the head custodian; the disturbed young man who was being bullied who lashed out needed a firm and understanding hand that only a father, real or in loco parentis, could provide. No amount of being bullied, or lack of role models in his life excuses the acts he carried out but the community could have done better and so could have his parents.
    Frisch, the asininity is yours; let victims of crime finish bleeding before you make them into political footballs. We’ve now had decades to see how well fake “gun free zones” work in keeping people safe; perhaps it’s time to put the whole concept into the dustbin of history and not invent new ways to disarm those who will never, murder anyone. Gun free zones without metal detectors and intrusive searches do nothing but indicate to the murderous where to start.
    Steve, if I drove to your front door, business or home, would I see a sign indicating a gun free zone? If not, why not?

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, it’s all making sense now. The muderer took 2 art classes at the junior college. Must have finger painted pretty pictures of his mommy. Art? Those artist types march to the beat of a different drummer for sure. Out of touch with reality, the whole lot of them, past, present, and future.
    Didn’t our local village had an art student that a clubed an elderly man and bashed his head in for no apparent reason at all at the Alta Sierra landing strip? It’s getting much clearer now.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    What a screed of nothing but cut and paste from Steve.
    The POS shooter was just another pissed off nobody looking to have a moment of fame, even in death.
    Good luck eliminating that kind of person, or how they plan to kill as many as possible.
    Just by reading some of the LIB comments, One would be justified in calling the “G” man to pay any given LIB a good “screening” ( BTW,, most mass killings are done by those with LIB tendencies… yes,, that’s a fact.) A few here have questionable temperament, and could have a tendency, and overwhelming urge to do harm to others who do agree with them.
    We have seen the anger issues of more than one of our LIBS here.

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  43. Stevenfrisch Avatar
    Stevenfrisch

    Seriously Greg, “a pink ghetto.” What a telling phrase. My guess is you’re lack of a strong female figure in your life is playing tricks with your mind. But I’m not writing for you or Todd, I’m writing for the lurkers who might be swayed by the truth. Everything I posted can be accurately sourced and supported.
    And Todd, I posted it at Pellines first, Rebanes was the throw away👹

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  44. Stevenfrisch Avatar
    Stevenfrisch

    Sourcing is what idiots call cutting and pasting.

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Greg and Walt are spot on folks. People like Frisch are cartoons whose only intelligence is a copy/paste. No smarts for anything else. Frisch’s masculinity is troubled by a phrase of Greg’s and to a liberal that is the worst thing a person can do. You must be PC for a Frisch like creature to feel good about themselves. Those dead kids mean nothing to a liberal. All they are are props.

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  46. Stevenfrisch Avatar
    Stevenfrisch

    Notice the inability of the peanut gallery to actually rebut any of my core points.

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Are you serious? Can you not t read? We have rejected your three year old mental midget copy/paste. Jeeze what a idiot.

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  48. George Rebane Avatar

    Well good, now that we’ve all called each other idiots, I’ll answer Mr Fuzz 1040am. I’m in favor of trained CCW permit holders being armed in public at all times. As a minimum, in schools I like the Israeli approach where teachers are qualified and armed in the classrooms.
    When concerned with gun deaths, it’s always good to look at and understand the contingent distributions that describe the shootings. Understanding such distributions informs you that no sufficiently large armed population will be risk free from accidental, criminal, suicidal, or insane gun deaths. One should compare those with probabilities of dying in the car, from a shark attack, a lightning bolt, … .
    The real policy decision is what level of categorical risks should be accepted in society (especially if you believe, as do I, in the 2nd Amendment reason for an armed citizenry). And if someone enters the conversation with the preamble, ‘But what if it were your child who got murdered in school?’, you walk away because they have just declared themselves unqualified to discuss the issue in a rational manner.
    For the record, I am a shooter since puberty, a trained combat arms veteran, a shooting coach, certified range safety officer, and lifelong member of the NRA. I shoot regularly, and just returned from The Range with my daughter and grandson (both excellent handgun shooters).

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  49. Stevenfrisch Avatar
    Stevenfrisch

    Funny I didn’t call anyone here an idiot, I called Ackerman and idiot, and posted the direct quote I considered idiocy, and specifically why it was idiocy. If you have a problem George it’s with Todd,

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  50. fish Avatar
    fish

    Again I fail to see why all the rancor….Steve wants more legislation….then by all means go forth and legislate!

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