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George Rebane

Predictably Barack Hussein Obama voiced his conclusions and exhortations for gun control before the Roseburg bodies had cooled, the wounded were out of surgery, and any relevant information about the shooter and the shootings had been released by the police – anything to take people’s minds off his debacles in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  Our national demagogue again addressed the gruberized in an attempt to make them believe that these rare shootings are a national problem that far outweighs those that happen in gun controlled cities day in and day out.  Nowhere did he rise to address the 50 Chicago shootings two weekends in a row – to that sumbich black lives don’t matter, but Agenda21 does.

According to the Rebane Doctrine all gun control laws in legislative debate should address their impact on the Founders’ intent for including the Second Amendment in our Constitution.  Will the new law make it more difficult for citizens to successfully oppose a future rogue government as anticipated by the Founders and echoed by patriot Americans over the last two centuries?  The progressives promoting world socialism always want to divert us from the hundreds of millions of their own citizens that collectivist tyrants have murdered during the last century.  And they do it with the ever popular, ‘It can’t happen in America.’  In the mid-1930s ‘It can’t happen in Germany’ was used to keep the very educated and cultured masses quiet and compliant, even while Stalin was slaughtering kulaks by the tens of millions a few hundred miles away.

Anyone want to make book on what part religion, specifically Islam, played in the mind of the Roseburg shooter?  And all that as Team Obama does its best to disarm law abiding America.  (For those interested, I’m prepared to go through some probabilistic calcs on the number of such people still loose in our population who will not be affected one whit by the Left’s proposed new gun laws.  As long as the perp knows he’s the only one with a gun, these killings will continue.  There are just too many of us, and enough of them.)

[2oct15 update]  Well, the comment stream below has grown enough to attract and include the obligatory leftwing arguments for functionally, if not absolutely, disarming America.  From those commenters we hear nothing about our president rushing to be the first to call for new gun laws, and the first to politicize the event.  The Left, of course, with Alinsky-style retorts, flips that event and accuses those reporting and countering the president’s remarks as instead being the first to politicize this tragedy.

What is important to note is that the Left again 1) says nothing about the non-enforcement of existing gun control laws, continuing their litany of ‘forget enforcement, just pass more restrictive laws’; 2) spells out no specific laws that could have had any effect on the latest shootings; and 3) totally ignores the horrendous history of state killings of citizens in countries that denied them guns (the Second Amendment’s raison d’etre).  As we see from the comment stream, the Left’s educated elites practice cynicism of the highest order in arguing that our ongoing social breakdown is due to factors such as legal gun ownership, western religiosity, capitalistic greed, market-based income inequality (anti-unionism), intrinsic distrust of government, … .  To them society should be organized around an all-encompassing government guided by collectivist elites under whom work legions of altruistic technocrats striving to implement a comprehensively-regulated social order, all for the “greater good”, that is uniquely visible in their lights.

Again, I invite the attentive reader, in these first decades of the last great century of Man, to identify any common ground between our polarized and gruberized body politic that would just support functional communication, let alone that may contain a path to reunion as a citizenry of a sustainable sovereign nation-state.

[6oct15 update]  Rumor has it that President Obama will take his gun control politicizing to Roseburg.  Folks up there don't cotton to Obama, and most certainly his use of this tragic event to grandstand his 2nd Amendment agenda.  The man does not have a sense of decorum or knows that not everyone is a progressive eager to hear the pap he spews.  That, of course, may come as a surprise to some of our locals who think that only a remote group of knuckle dragging old farts in these hills don't take kindly to his politics.  For those progressives, here's an illuminating video of an O'Reilly segment. 

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281 responses to “Obama shoots from the lip on Roseburg (updated 6oct15)”

  1. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Chris Harper Mercer has been identified by the Oregonian newspaper, is that where Ackerman went?

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  2. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Chris Harper Mercer doesn’t sound Islamic to me Dr. Rebane. Did anyone take up your bet?
    Sounds like a mentally ill young man able to get a gun in America.

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  3. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “Unconfirmed social media accounts show that Mercer was based in Torrance, California. His purported MySpace account contains photos of the Irish Republican Army, a revolutionary group that has historically been rooted in acts of violence”.
    Not sure the IRA and purported Muslim extremists share a whole lot in common, except for hate and TERROR.
    George, is it too late for a wager?

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    It’s all rumors for a few hours. Blog in Oregon said there was a warning posted last night to not go to class today at Umpqua Community College. Another blog says that the shooter asked students in the classroom which religion they were. Right now, I won’t believe anything until the facts are out. I do know that strict guns laws in New York. New Orleans, or Chicago don’t stop murders….Chicago alone had 50 shooting just last weekend….gun laws makes no one safer.
    Like a restraining order, the restrained just walk right through that silly piece of paper. Criminals do not obey gun laws. Rapists do not obey laws, neither do thieves, liars, cons, blue collar, white collar, or no collar types. Sad, but more laws would have not stopped Sandy Hook, the streets of Chicago last weekend, or me for that matter.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    But “O” got to mention himself 27 times. Another gun free zone gets shot up.

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  6. Walt Avatar

    Yup Jeff Akerman is running the local paper up there.
    It sure looks a lot like our own local paper.
    http://www.nrtoday.com/News/
    ( I guess that’s the way it is when owned by the same overlord)

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  7. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The ‘jon’ again shows his limited historical knowledge. The IRA has been aligned with Kadafi, FARC, PLO and many other middle eastern terrorists for many decades. Most IRA terrorists in the 70’s were Marxists in spite of some Catholic parts in original form.

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Boy, Jon his praying to the dirt that dead dead shooter is not a member of The Religion of Peace, lol.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1443755053./733472193453487/?type=3&theater

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Breaking news! Boy, that was quick. Obama just called Congress into emergency session and they came up with a new gun law. Wow.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1443756118./733950340072339/?type=3&theater

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  10. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Sure Don, why didn’t I consider that Marxists and Catholic terrorists are in line with today’s ISIL types.:)
    You guys keep imagining some Islamic connection will emerge! Fits the paranoid narrative.

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  11. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    That’s right Tozer, its way beyond time we had a special session to do something about gun owner background checks and closing of loopholes.
    After all, the vast majority of gun owners support it.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Last one, then back to commentary. Night, night.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1443756583./729969573803749/?type=3&theater
    Hey, if Big Zero can politicalize this tragedy , than we should follow suit, right?

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  13. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    These shootings ARE political, since nothing ever happens in response to these tragedies. Move along, nothing to see.
    Yes indeed, the crazy gun nuts on the right have blood on their hands. Many times over.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Those democrats and their lib friends sure do like to murder fetus’s, babies all the way up to old people.(except murderers on death row of course, the democrat lawyers need money) Blood on the liberals hands is correct. My guess is the man was a democrat registered voter. Probably voted for Obama. Now we have Obama crying about guns while he is exploding people with drones. You just can’t make this stuff up.

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Nothing is clear, only data points but your IRA ignorance is obvious. As to blood on hands the only blood on my hands is from bad guys being stopped from doing bad. As I understand, it did not end until the guys with guns had a shoot out with the scum bag. How do you want to interpret his ‘sorting’ and how the Christians were the ones head shot? Is he mad at the Catholics because he hated his IRA heritage?

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My my, Jon, now that is what I call getting close to hysterical, and I love if when you vent your justifiable anger. Better screw down your skullcap before you flip your wig. BTW, Hysterical comes from the Latin word that is where we also get Hysterectomy. Good to see your mangina flare up. You rock.
    I hear the kid was some sort of econut, the first domestic band of merry men the FBI considered a terrorist group. Boy, those were the days you couldn’t tell the greens from the anarchists.
    Patience, Jon, patience. The kid probably had a revolver and a 22 rifle for all we know. But if it makes you feel better, I will root that he is a Christian and once was a Catholic alter boy.

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  17. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Where the hell did you get the IRA crap the ‘jon’? Black guy with narcissist issues who capped a bunch of Christians is the gist of the real media. Have you been listening to he whos name we will not utter for your talking points? Local Sheriff there does want the scum bags name used given his stated intent. Still no understanding of why the Christians.

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  18. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    ” Will the new law make it more difficult for citizens to successfully oppose a future rogue government as anticipated by the Founders and echoed by patriot Americans over the last two centuries? ”
    I am a patriot. Your opposition to controlling access to guns has merely led to little children being gunned down in their classrooms, thousands of domestic murders, and uncontrolled crime in inner cities. More Americans have died from uncontrolled gun ownership than all the wars we have ever fought.
    Yep, nothing to see, just brains splattered on the wall, move along America, it is the price of freedom.

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  19. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Perhaps Frisch they should enforce the laws on the books! Tell us how well comrade DeBalsios suspension of the legal stop and frisk in NY worked out. More people of color dead in the streets. Why don’t you come down to So Sac with me sometime and hear the locals tell you the reality of their life. Dilatant. Let the cops crush the gangs and stop the false narrative about its just weed. Gangs sell everything they can get their hands on. If 0’s home and his hand picked mayor in Chi town allow open warfare how do you blame the legal 2nd amendment folks? Gangsters don’t need no stikin background checks. Uncontrolled gun ownership, really. Not in the liberal bastions. Remember Dinkins in NY. Then Rudi cleaned it up legally. Why is it so hard for you party line types. Gun crime is down across the county and not because of your world view. Yet 0 snivels about an abhorrent incident and his DOJ neuters LE and he fiddles while the world is in flames and its your fault. Own it.

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  20. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 01 October 2015 at 11:08 PM
    Seriously Don, I assume you mean dilettante? Who are you to call me a dilettante? I grew up on the near north side of Chicago. I spent my childhood roaming the streets of Chicago. I am quite comfortable in rough neighborhoods.

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  21. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Speed and spell check notwithstanding, yes you are. So what have you done to protect people of color and crime victims physically in any real way besides basking at the Lake and grant writing? We are talking about now, not the Truman administration. LOL, NEAR THE SOUTH SIDE what a joke. Tell me about the nortenyous, sudenyous, bloods, kings, skins and so on. Yes you are what you are and that was the perfect elitist response we would expect from your crew. I mean what have you done for victims NOW. I never saw you at the Urban League in So Sac ever. DVSAC, WOW, Family Court Reform, where were you? Please correct me if I am wrong and missed something?

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I am a patriot.-Frisch
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.- Samuel Johnson
    Yet another shooting at a fake gun free zone and once again, the Frisches wasted no time wallowing in the blood of innocents once again.

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    a person who cultivates an area of interest, such as the arts, without real commitment or knowledge.
    “a dilettante approach to science”
    The shoe fits.

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  24. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 02 October 2015 at 12:02 AM
    I never see you at all. WTF does that prove? You are a clown Don. (By the way Don I am a bit younger than you I was not born during the Truman administration). The point I am making is that you regularly make assumptions about people and project your bile on them without knowing a thing about them.
    And Greg, read the fucking thread, the people jumping on this for political gain were there at the top of the thread—every time one of these events happens the 2nd amendment crew is right there politicking, like George did in the original post. It’s you guys who are wallowing in the blood of the innocent.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Ah the phony baloney good time rock and rolla Frisch is sinking back into his world of namecalling, profanity and donuts. He expects anyone here to believe anything he says. Nope. Too much plagiarism of other people’s lives. Fantasies galore. He thinks e actually was in “gangland” in Chicago and was a tough cookie. What a hoot! The best Frisch has here is to be the resident spell checker. Alinskite persona. Divert and never answer the questions of others. Perfect. Suck up that commie “patriotism” there Frisch. Your are a cartoon. At least DonB helps people you take their money. Youy are no different than a mugger.

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  26. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    I don’t suppose folks might want to wait until the facts are in as to how the shooter obtained the weapons used before going off about more gun laws.
    It would also be helpful to present facts as to how the proposed new laws would have prevented him from obtaining weapons illegally.
    Until then – it’s just wah wah wah from the left.
    “Bood on our hands’ – this from the pro abortion as birth control crowd?
    Count the lives and weep.
    Anyway – it’s a good thing they shot him dead as he would have been in big trouble for violating the ‘gun free’ zone rule.
    Everyone have a nice day!

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Better the prick is dead than languishing in a prison filing ACLU appeals against his death penalty. One appeal then firing squads get busy with one year!

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  28. Fuzz Avatar
    Fuzz

    These shootings are always tragic but, frankly, I don’t understand why they don’t happen more often. We live in a very violent and sensuous culture; movies and TV are filled with crime and violence; video games including Grand Theft Auto, Going Postal, and many newer examples, give license to indulge in violent/revenge fantasies, usually with a gun. Human life becomes nothing more than an “us vs. them” target with blood and guts for a score. Now Hannity is making a big deal that the school was a “gun free zone” and interviewed a vet on campus who had a CCP and was packing. He’s lamenting that this vet didn’t have the opportunity to go over to the shooting and “do something”. Having been a target shooter, a precision reloader, and shot thousands of rounds, my view is not without gun experience. We need better preemptive mental health care, background checks for ALL gun sales including gun shows, ban extreme capacity magazines, have stationary scanners at all school entrances, more armed security on campus, and a total ban on any student bringing a firearm on campus except under very special circumstances (such as female students taking night classes with a dark parking lot/campus). Having students bring legally owned guns, en masse, on campus is a recipe for more disaster. Would you feel safer if every single student, who could legally possess a gun, brought it on campus, or nobody brought a gun? You might be “sane” when you got your permit but has anything changed?…are you having a bad day?…your girlfriend dumped you?…got an F in Organic Chemistry and you hate the teacher? If a campus gunman starts shooting, darting and hiding, and 50 students pull a gun and start searching, and the police show up, and they don’t know who is who, and a big shootout starts…. you get the point. The problem is mental illness and rank evil. School campuses will never be completely safe. A kid with an AR-15, equipped with a Slide Fire stock and a 100 round drum magazine, could pull up to the cyclone fence at an elementary school, stick the barrel through, and kill 50 kids before armed security even knows what’s going on. The 2nd Amendment isn’t going away; you’ll still go to the gunshop and find hundreds of offerings, but you might find a few accessories missing that won’t make any difference to 99.9% of shooters. Guns are highly available on the street and the bad guys can usually find a way to get them. However, going through a background check MIGHT keep at least a few bad incidents from happening. Having to wait a bit longer to get your gun isn’t the end of the world. (I saw a documentary where a 12 year old boy went to a gun show and walked out with a rifle….. that can’t go on.) I heard that this present gunman posted his intentions online…. if anyone knew his identity they had an obligation to contact the police! In the meantime, the BIG problem is urban gang/drug violence and shootings, which kills far more people, most often minorities. There will always be X percentage of killers.

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  29. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “And Greg, read the fucking thread, the people jumping on this for political gain were there at the top of the thread—every time one of these events happens the 2nd amendment crew is right there politicking, like George did in the original post. It’s you guys who are wallowing in the blood of the innocent.”
    -Frisch, 5:09AM
    Steve, “the 2nd Amendment crew” was mourning the loss of life and victims were still bleeding when your President took the airwaves to call for unspecified “common sense gun safety laws” and use the first person pronouns 28 times.
    I can’t blame the President too much… it’s surely more fun to go after the bitter clingers again (hey, this time we have guns AND Christians being executed) than to think about Syria, Putin and Obama’s surrogate rebels that Putin is killing because they’re fighting his guy who is also fighting ISIS.

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “If a campus gunman starts shooting, darting and hiding, and 50 students pull a gun and start searching, and the police show up, and they don’t know who is who, and a big shootout starts…. you get the point.”
    -Fuzz
    But that hasn’t ever happened, has it? In reality, mass killers and would be mass killers pick soft targets where they can take their time, and often kill themselves when the first good guy with a gun finally shows up.
    In reality, if there is a campus when 50 students might pull their legal firearm in response to a shooter executing Christians, that’s a campus that won’t be targeted. University of Utah?

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  31. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 02 October 2015 at 09:00 AM
    And yet Gregory I heard a young man interviewed yesterday who was on campus, had a concealed carry permit, was allowed under Oregon law to carry that gun on the UCC campus, had it with him, said that he knew other students had concealed carry permits and were on campus carrying, and left the campus rather than engage because it would have interfered with the police officers responding, whose station was according to the UCC President a very short walking distance from the campus.
    Apparently the fact that students are allowed to conceal carry on the UCC campus did not deter this gunman.
    My case would be that yes, we should politicize this issue, and we should not wait until the blood is dry, we should shout it to the rooftops, we should punish politicians who oppose common sense gun safety laws. The best example of this tactic was an interview I also saw last night with the daughter of the principle of Sandy Hook, who said that people would criticize her for being out front before the smoke had cleared saying we need to change our laws, “People will say it is too soon after the event to speak out but the reality is it is too late.”

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  32. Son of Jon Avatar
    Son of Jon

    Douglas County, Oregon one of several counties and cities prohibiting marijuana dispensaries.
    Douglas County, one of the most restrictive counties regarding medical/recreational marijuana in Oregon
    http://www.oregon.gov/oha/mmj/Documents/MMDP%20Opt%20Out%20List.pdf
    Coincidentally, recreational sales of marijuana began on Oct. 1 this year.
    Are marijuana smokers more, or less likely to shoot up a campus?

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  33. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    It is going to be interesting to see if Douglas County Oregon Sheriff Richard Hanlin was a member of Richard Mack’s Constitutional Sheriffs and Police Officers Association where he is cited as supporting their opposition to stricter gun laws in the wake of the sandy Hook massacre.
    Here is a direct quote from Sheriff Hanlin’s letter to Joe Biden after Sandy Hook:
    “The second purpose of this letter is to make notification that any federal regulation enacted by Congress or by executive order of the President offending the Constitutional rights of my citizens shall not be enforced by me or by my deputies,” he wrote, “nor will I permit the enforcement of any constitutional regulations or orders by federal offices within the borders of Douglas County, Oregon.”

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  34. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch, a CCW is not a license to form a posse and if they were not a witness to a shooting or other felony, not pulling their weapon and walking in the other direction is a fine choice.
    You seem to have this bizarre notion of those carrying weapons considering themselves Jr. Law Enforcement Officers; as far as I can tell that is not the case except in rare instances and they tend to get themselves in trouble.
    Finally, your denigrations of Rebane and others for politicizing the issue after Obama politicized the issue, and now your oath to politicize the issue even faster the next time is a curious excess of hypocrisy, even for you.
    PS that’s Principal, not principle. A spelling dilettante such as yourself should appreciate the difference.

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  35. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 02 October 2015 at 09:50 AM
    “You seem to have this bizarre notion of those carrying weapons considering themselves Jr. Law Enforcement Officers….”
    Greg I labor under no such misconception, but the case made by many here is that if campuses were ‘gun free zones’, which under Oregon law this one was not, that such shooting could be deterred.
    “In reality, if there is a campus when 50 students might pull their legal firearm in response to a shooter executing Christians, that’s a campus that won’t be targeted.”
    I am merely pointing out that that was not the case in this instance, nor in the instance of hundreds of other mss shooting that have occurred in what you would characterize as not being gun free zones.
    As you yourself pointed out the existence of concealed carry has actually deterred almost no mass shootings.

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    This one actually was a gun free zone. Sorry, Stevie:

    “Under state law, people in Oregon could carry concealed firearms on college campuses like the one where a gunman killed nine people and wounded several others on Thursday. However, Umpqua Community College has been established as a gun-free zone thanks to a loophole in state law that has made every third-level institution in the state almost entirely gun-free. Here’s how that works.
    Currently, only three states—Idaho, Utah and Colorado—allow guns on campuses regardless of school policy. Oregon’s guns-on-campus law is a bit more complicated.”
    <a href="http://www.vocativ.com/news/236421/the-complications-of-oregons-guns-on-campus-laws/

    “>http://www.vocativ.com/news/236421/the-complications-of-oregons-guns-on-campus-laws/

    The students carrying on UCC were apparently in violation of the college’s ban but unwilling to unholster their weapon unless directly threatened, not a bad choice in general. This is sometimes referred to as being judged by 12 rather than carried by 6.

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  37. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    PS that’s Principal, not principle. A spelling dilettante such as yourself should appreciate the difference.
    Well we could get into a spell check off here but I hardly think that is productive. I will point out that when one auto spells ‘dilettante’ the common usage from the Italian and Latin root root comes up and not the obscure usage of ‘dilatant’ meaning a material whose viscosity increases with the rate of shear strain. Whereas when one uses auto spell for “principal’ “principle’ comes up first, demonstrating that my spelling error was an unforced auto-spell error and Don’s spelling error was an english language usage and comprehension error.

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  38. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 02 October 2015 at 10:17 AM
    Actually Greg, that is not correct, under a 2011 Oregon court decision concealed carry is allowed on campuses but can be excluded from some buildings.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2011/11/oregon_university_system_will_1.html
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/

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  39. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    So Greg you are once again full of beans 🙂

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  40. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Steve Frisch 02Oct15 10:09 AM
    “…the existence of concealed carry has actually deterred almost no mass shootings.”
    We cannot know that just as we cannot know how many homes are not burgled because their residents might be armed.

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  41. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Stevie, the “rare instances” I spoke of was not regarding mass shootings being stopped; they stop every time after one or more good guys with guns arrive or the ammo runs out. Can’t remember the latter happening, they generally come prepared with plenty of bullets for everyone.
    The rare instances I was referring to are the occasional buckaroos who try to act like patrol officers and get in over their head.

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  42. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Michael R. Kesti | 02 October 2015 at 10:25 AM
    Actually what we do know is that there are very very few cases where a concealed carry holder has intervened in a mass shooting and deterred the perpetrator.
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited”
    -UCC

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    While correlation is not conclusive evidence of causation, correlation always issues a compelling invitation to investigate further to discover cause. And from a perspective of (Bayesian) reason, correlation, recognized as such, more often than not can serve as a useful proxy for cause until more evidence arrives.

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  45. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 02 October 2015 at 10:35 AM
    Dig deeper Gregie, concealed carry is allowed on Oregon campuses with permission, and many students at UCC had permission. Read the actual articles instead of shooting from the hip.

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  46. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 02 October 2015 at 10:36 AM
    Yes by all means, lets wait for more ‘evidence’; as Jon aptly pointed out, nothing to see here, just the brains of some poor kid splashed across the walls of another school.

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  47. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Stevie, when a good guy with a gun is on site at the beginning, they tend not to become mass shootings. The Portland Oregon mall shooting is a fine example. Nope, not a mass shooting, the guy shot himself in the head after he noticed someone there was aiming a gun at him. The good civilian didn’t shoot because there was an innocent too close to the line of fire.
    Without a doubt, there have been folk carrying concealed who have left the scene rather than engage and that’s their decision to make; were I there with a family member whose safety was my responsibility, I can imagine making the same decision.

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  48. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 02 October 2015 at 10:44 AM
    What you have Greg is one or two good outlier examples, tempered by the numerous instances where intervention by a concealed carry led to tragedy. The overwhelming evidence is that there is no correlation between concealed carry and deterring mass shootings.

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