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'What happens in the Middle East doesn’t stay in the Middle East.'  WSJ

George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary aired on 2 September 2015.]

Here’s a 50,000 foot view of the great cultural divides that will focus our attention in America and also in the European Union.  The EU’s promise of a unified Europe free of wars is under great strain both economically and culturally.  It turns out that Angela Merkel’s conclusion that “Multi-kulti does not work” is true, not only in Germany, but all over the continent.  And nothing has caused the Europeans to raise their ire more than the increasing flood of Muslims into their cities and countries.

The diaspora from the failed Islamic states that ring Europe on its south is turning into a life altering invasion of people who share few values with the Europeans beyond the desire to escape death and destruction.  These illegal aliens who are daily scampering onto the shores of southern Europe are called ‘migrants’ which is their word for our politically correct ‘undocumented immigrants’.  The European countries of entry don’t want the Muslims to stay, so the ‘immigrant’ word is out.  But they do want them to migrate north to the richer regions of the continent, so ‘migrant’ is an accepted politically neutral label for the desperate aliens who are quickly ushered northward by countries like Greece, Italy, and Spain.

Muslims have been emigrating to Europe for decades, and have made themselves conspicuous to the indigenous Europeans by their refusal to assimilate and their understandable desire to live in their own culturally cohesive communities.  In many countries these enclaves are now functionally sovereign in that they follow their own laws, maintain their own traditions, and forcefully reject any encroachment by the institutions of their targeted host nations.

We in America were once taught to abide all cultures which in our public forums subsumed themselves into the overarching ‘American culture’ – practice your own cultures when you are among yourselves, but become an obvious American when you gather in the town square with fellow Americans.  This is no longer taught to our young.  Today our schools celebrate America’s constituent cultures to the point where a common American culture has been banished and replaced by reference to a yet nebulous global culture.


The world is and has always been a dangerous and uncertain place.  Cultures arose millennia ago as people of like mind joined together to defend themselves and contend with groups who sought what they had.  Most people understand that a culture is defined by commonly held attributes of language, ethnicity, religion, governance, economics, traditions, mores, and values.  The stronger cultures hold more of these attributes in common.  For security and economic purposes the main benefit of a common culture is the people’s ability to know and reliably predict each other’s behavior.  Living in a culturally cohesive community you don’t have to constantly watch your back, you know the behavioral norms practiced by your neighbor as well as the man-on-the-street.  As an unmistakable member of that culture, you can devote more of your attention and energies to better your and your family’s life.

Strangers in strange lands have always sought out people like themselves to band together and establish a familiar and secure place in which to live and work.  The trouble usually starts when widely variant cultures must share the same space and resources.   Sharing is hard, and sharing with people who are not like you is almost impossible.  This truth gave rise to kingdoms and countries which have survived the rise and fall of empires.  Today we see cultures clashing once more on a prosperous continent that has attempted to organize itself into an economically unified landmass of already culturally distinct countries into which hundreds of thousands of very different and uninvited people arrive yearly.  This has always spelled trouble, and promises to do so again.

In the United States we are dismantling the great cultural assimilation engine.  We are again told by political elites to view ourselves first as members of culturally neutral classes rather than as Americans with an overarching culture.  Instead we are divided into the rich, the poor, the privileged, the persecuted, the Anglos, the Blacks, the Hispanics, the whatever as long as such lines of separation and growing contention can be maintained for later reassembly under a new world order.  And this new world order will then be sought at any cost as relief in the time of troubles that lie ahead.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on Rebane’s Ruminations where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  Collectivists of all stripes, and especially global collectivists, seek the triumph of their ideology through class warfare.  As recounted above, class attributes reach across all cultural boundaries.  All cultures have their rich and poor and privileged and underprivileged.  Even ethnically labeled yet culturally distinct groups such as Hispanics can be relegated to a class for purposes of political cohesion and marshalling.  The main weapon of collectivists is a class-based view of society wherein the disaffected from all cultures can join to fight for ‘equality’ and ‘social justice’.

When such people can be convinced that their greater benefit will come from a successful class struggle rather than hewing to their cultural assets, then they can be convinced to join in the fight for forms of governance that are ‘democratic’ and redistributive.  This strategy was implemented as early as the waning days of the monarchy in 18th century France, and formalized within a global perspective by Marx and Engels in the mid-19th century.  And even after some massive failures during the 20th century, some of which are ongoing, the collectivist dream in the west is alive and well, seeking once and for all to put the Westphalian world order behind us and achieve a global governance – a just and sustainable social order of true equality, peace, and plenty for all who submit their individuality to the correct and approved Homogeneous Man. (see also Agenda 21)

In this American election season we have strong voices from the Left now unabashedly calling for a more direct route to such a future.  They range from socialist candidates like Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton to national voices like that of Amy Goodman calling for people to see themselves first as members of the underdog class from whom the rich and privileged have stolen their means to obtain both succor and security.  No matter their cultures of origin, they are exhorted to join the proudly gruberized who need know only that their salvation lies in the collective able to put in place a government willing and strong enough to claw back from the rich everything that was meant to be theirs.

In 1951 socialist and social activist Upton Sinclair wrote “The American People will take Socialism, but they won't take the label.”  While that has been true in the intervening years, it is no longer true as the proud pronouncements of today’s Democrat candidates attest.  America’s programs of wealth redistribution have gone beyond the tipping point in their breadth and depth, and that means that the Peter-Paul Principle is now fully in force across the land.  ‘Whenever you promise to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the full support of Paul.’  Our Founders (and early foreign visitors) warned us about what will happen when the Pauls gain majority.  For confirmation, just look around you (and in your own mailbox).

[7sep15 update]  Germany is now beseeching other EU countries to help her welcome mid-east migrants.  Merkel is currently allowing about 800,000 new Muslims annually into Germany, and she knows this is a life-changing policy for Germans and unsustainable.  Many other EU leaders are way ahead of her and already have concluded that they don't want their countries fundamentally transformed by Islam's most successful foray into Europe to date.  The Europeans will now have their Muslims to deal with in a manner similar to our having to deal with 11M+ illegal Hispanics.

However, there appears to be a mitigating solution for Europe.  I first posted on it in the comment stream below where it seems to have garnered a big yawn from the RR readership.  I believe it deserves better, so I have elevated it into this update in order to have it more prominently displayed when someone searches RR for topics dealing with culture or the Muslims' northward migration.

Has anyone wondered why no one in the media – including Fox News – points out that the Muslim 'migrants' now flooding into Europe overwhelmingly come from Turkey where there is no threat to their life and limb?  Upon arrival in Europe, their claim to be escaping death and destruction is clearly risible, since they are then simply looking for a better economic environment in which to set up shop.

Why has no one suggested that the EU countries, and even the US, provide Turkey the aid needed to care for the Syrian refugees where they already are – in short, replicate what we are doing to help Jordan care for the Syrian refugees lodged on their soil?  The added benefit there is that the distance back home is short when the hostilities end and it is safe to return.  Whatever the policy outcome affecting this mass migration, how come our vaunted journalists are too dense to even bring up this (to me) obvious solution?  (I don't ask the same of the politicians, for they really do have the required density.)

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203 responses to “The Great Cultural Divides of 2016 (updated 7sep15)”

  1. Donny Avatar
    Donny

    The conservos on this site are unreal. Bessee, what a cow! They must put fingers in ears and chant Trump is great when faced with real numbers or any facts they don’t like. Trump Palin 2016. The best they have, haha! Kentucky homophobe clerk story? Silence

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  2. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Now go google the number of green cards the ‘jon’ and tell us what you find.

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  3. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    I have no issues with green card residents, so I don’t care Don. You go get angry and obsess about people with green cards. I have tons of friends and actually some family with green cards. They are all to a person productive people contributing to our economy and culture.

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  4. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Bessee, you are the idiot if you cannot read politifact. That’s your problem. The 94 million includes retirees, HS kids and college kids.
    EOM.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    Jon 1125am – All good and fine with your green card friends and family. But pray what culture are they contributing to, and what are they contributing to it?
    re Jon 1127am – rather than calling each other “idiot”, would not the 94M matter be settled by going to the Dept of Commerce, instead of the ‘freebeacon’ and ‘politifact’ sources – both, I believe, to be agenda driven?

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 05 September 2015 at 10:41 AM
    Now why would you mis-characterize what I wrote? Oh, I forgot, you just make it up or twist the words. I said if she came through Ellis she was deemed legal didn’t I? Yes I did. And if she was illegal as you seem to be saying then your momma was a anchor baby as it is defined. Why so uptight it happened a hundred years ago? My my, a little obsessed you are as Yoda wold say.
    And it does not seem to me that your grandmother was trying to take over the America she came too as the latinos are trying to do. I don’t think we celebrate a Greek holiday right? And the ballots are not printed in Greek either. So, do you now get it?

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    DonB, you are correct, the workforce sitting at home does not include retired, mentally ill or turd trolls with no brains.

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  8. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    OK, so 2 morons who cannot interpret statistics. Unfortunately you guys will NEVER hear the 94 million in any debate since its not a real unemployment number. But you’re welcome to continue to look foolish. PFTC.

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  9. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Dr. Rebane,
    This is very simple stuff.
    the 94 million includes retirees, HS kids and college kids.
    1/3 of working aged Americans in the hypothetical FT job pool are not unemployed. If you desire every retiree, HS and college kid to work FT, then you have 94 million Americans out of work.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    Jon 1213pm – there are two orthogonal issues with the ’94M statistic’ which seem to confuse its discussants. One is its definition, the other is its verity. The forwarded definitions are clearly different as offered by the two sides. And the only means to resolve those differences is to authenticate their respective verities through citing some mutually acceptable authority. The citations to date will not serve because they are rejected by the opposing parties. I suggested going to a government source instead of second level parties who may have an agenda in how they look at the 94M to make their case. I hope this helps.

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  11. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The report itself is on the BLS site and the SS site has the numbers breakdowns and notes of who is and who is not and what the definitions are. I go the source for the details not the free beacon or what ever politifact is. The notes are clear, permanently disabled and retired are not part of the inactive work pool no matter how many times the ‘jon’ wants to engage the big lie. Shouldn’t all 16 year olds and older in school have a part time job? We now understand that the ‘jon’ does not do comprehensive searches since they may garner results that are not consistent with the party line. We know many like the ‘jon’ who consider high times and the rolling stone as publications of record for their community. Willful ignorance is the divide that will continue in the gruberized folks like the ‘jon’. We know its been a hard week for the ‘jons’ ending on the note that all of the dems and Bernie loosing to republicans in the polls. LOL To refresh your memory the ‘jon’ you brought the green card numbers into the conversation. Give us the hard number to back up the anecdotes.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    DonB it appears the troll can’t read. The facts are as you and I have posted. 94 million has been in every news conference by Trump and Bernie Sanders.

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  13. Walt Avatar

    Now that Stewart is done with the daily show, (the LIB answer to FOX) where will the likes of “j” get their “hard hitting journalism?

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    re GeorgeR 1220pm – OK boys and girls, I don’t think I’m the only one bored with the back and forth on the ’94M’. Here’s what 5 min of googling at the Bureau of Labor Statistics revealed.
    94M = number of working age not in labor force; http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000
    157M = number in labor force (>16 working or looking for work; http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11000000
    261M = total work-capable Americans
    320M = US pop 2015; https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=population+of+US
    59M = number of retireds, under 16, military, disabled, etc.

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  15. Walt Avatar

    But Dr.. Showing the”jon” the facts is one thing. getting him/it to accept reality is another story.
    I’m one that’s not counted as Unemp. So is one of my neighbors.
    Just change the numbers of categories in the “U” list (1-6) that get counted, and things look GREAT!, and 5.6% gets published by “O” and Co. It’s down to counting only the “U-3”
    If they went back to the U-6 count as it should be, reality is over 13%.
    Progressives can’t help but cook the books.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 250pm – True enough, but I just wanted to resolve the nature of the ’94M question’ – it was becoming irritating.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 05 September 2015 at 02:50 PM
    Progressives can’t help but cook the books.

    “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    What are your thoughts on how many Syrian refugees we should accept in our country?

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  19. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Great topic Paul..thanks for introducing. The NYT has plastered its entire paper with this MAJOR news story of 2015, and yet nothing here.
    The US certainly needs to take in our share, after setting the Middle East events in motion in 2003.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 06 September 2015 at 10:34 AM
    How about zero……zero works for me!

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  21. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    BTW, thanks George for showing that 59M who generally are not looking for FT work are indeed included in the touted figure of 94M.

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Fish you believe we should not extend the generosity we offered refugees of WWII. What is different about this group of unfortunately displaced people?

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Zero Muslims from Syria works for me. I say let’s start taking in a lot of Norwegians, Swedes and Germans. Maybe some Greeks and Croats.
    The 94 million does not include those 54 million retired and disabled and kids. My GOD did you not read what George wrote?

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 06 September 2015 at 10:55 AM
    We’re too busy importing central America. Syria is Europes problem.

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  25. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Re: labor participation, here is a recent objective report on the long term trend which. curiously, started around the time of the Bush Administration 2000. All those stats count retirees in the total figures. Many factors as you can see. Not a political trend, but a societal trend.
    http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/16/unemployment-is-low-but-more-workers-are-leaving-the-workforce

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  26. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, you’re kidding or naive if you think Syria is only a European problem. As Thomas Friedman used to say pre-Iraq invasion,
    IF YOU DROP IT, YOU OWN IT.

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  27. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Hey guys, I’m about to settle in to watching some international soccer- tough choices right now-
    Univision has Mexico vs. Trinidad-Tobago, BeInSport has Chad vs. Cameroon.
    Freedom in America, love it.

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 06 September 2015 at 11:05 AM
    The only person on this planet I find less convincing than you is Thomas Friedman!
    Here ya go…..hours of entertainment for the simple minded.
    http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/
    Thomas Friedman…..hahahahahahahah!

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Fish, anyone that thinks Friedman has any smarts must be a loon. He is so wrong on just about everything he spews. Soccer is the most boring game but brain dead liberals love it. American Football, baseball and basketball are for real men.

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  30. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Here’s the best source I’ve found citing the labor statistics.
    http://jobenomicsblog.com/tag/bureau-of-labor-statistics/
    Notably (the precise figure we are looking for):
    “The Not Looking For Work group includes those Not-in-Labor-Force and All Others in the U.S. population. Not-in-Labor-Force includes people (over 16 years old) such as discouraged workers, citizens who choose not to work, welfare recipients, students, retired, stay-at-home caregivers, etc. There are 93.6 million Not-in-Labor-Force.”
    Thank You.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 06 September 2015 at 11:19 AM
    I don’t care if “jon” watches soccer….no skin off my ass. I only have room in my heart for one boring sport.

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  32. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, you have a problem with a guy (Friedman) who’s been right and spot-on on just about topic involving foreign affairs? LOL.

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 06 September 2015 at 11:21 AM
    “The Not Looking For Work group includes those Not-in-Labor-Force and All Others in the U.S. population. Not-in-Labor-Force includes people (over 16 years old) such as discouraged workers, citizens who choose not to work, welfare recipients, students, retired, stay-at-home caregivers, etc. There are 93.6 million Not-in-Labor-Force.”

    …and right on cue you mention the group to whom this discussion really applies….”discouraged workers” those looking so long they’ve been bumped out of the “unemployed” category thus making that number look oh so much better.
    Good to have numbers to monkey with!

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 06 September 2015 at 11:22 AM
    “jon” if you find him a bottomless font of wisdom who am I to quibble with your choice?

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  35. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    OK, I guess he’s doing pretty well in his profession..but I’m sure you prefer that wise historian, Bill O’Reilly. 🙂

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  36. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, regarding the labor force, every aspect of the low participation rate should be open for discussion. The massive disability surge since 2000, everything else…go to it. But its not an Obama thing, its a American thing.

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  37. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    hey fish and Todd, you’ll be happy to know I always root against the Mexican national soccer team- El Tri. Despise them. The US is playing them in a huge game next month in the Rose Bowl, and I will be unabashedly rooting for the US Men.

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1023am – To answer your question, we must first consider whether Syrian refugees should be treated differently from the other millions of global refugees from failed and warring countries, and why we should do so. My direct answer is that they, especially those coming through Turkey, should receive no special treatment by the US. We have an immigration policy that should be adhered to, especially for economic refugees. Only those Syrians, like any others, that clearly benefit America’s economic interests should receive special dispensation as specified by Congress. This approach worked well after WW2.

    I want to point out the futility of dealing with certain liberal minds – in this case that of the frequent and arduous commenter ‘Jon’. In his 1034am he displays his situational awareness (reading?) skills as he complains that the current Mideast migration problem is not covered in RR when that is the very subject of the current post, and moreover when that topic is a years’ long persistent topic in these pages. The same man in his 1044am declares to all readers that he is a stranger to both logic and arithmetic in his interpretation of the detailed workforce explication in my 122pm.
    I don’t know what else to say, other than express some hopeful satisfaction that our other progressive readers don’t front him as one of their leading intellectual lights.

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  39. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 06 September 2015 at 11:36 AM
    …and you’ve heard me praise or reference O’Reilly when?

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  40. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 06 September 2015 at 11:40 AM
    Dude you can root for the Sierraville Serial Killers…….sorry don’t care.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    Well Paul, your seeing the results of “no war”, “no boots on the ground”, and “O”‘s failed foreign policy. And now you think WE should take on the burden of more refugees?
    NO WAY! We already have enough problems on the Southern boarder and “O”‘s invite to “dreamers”. (our nightmare)
    So how many will you house and feed?

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  42. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    George, was specifically referring to the very recent Syrian refugee crisis over the last week.

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  43. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    George, indeed I am guilty of believing US News and World Report and dozens of other objective sources that confirm the 94 million figure as interpreted. You are part of the 94 Million!

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  44. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    hey Walt, I’d be happy to take in a Syrian refugee or small family on a temporary basis as my house is pretty small. I would love for some families to relocate to Nevada County. Would add some much needed diversity to our area.

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  45. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, I have no idea who you read, but since you reject a centrist like Friedman, I took a guess you would prefer the biggest selling conservative “writer” of the last few years.

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  46. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 06 September 2015 at 12:13 PM
    I don’t reject a “centrist” like Friedman…I reject a “Buckethead” like Friedman.
    I’m pretty sure I could convince most of the “progressives” who frequent here that slavery was a good idea if I could show you the the Times was in favor too. Like trained seals you are.

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  47. Walt Avatar

    “jon”… Start with a few local homeless. tell us how that works out.
    ( Yaaa…. SURE you will.) Talk is cheap.

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  48. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    In the news, U.S. Government is berry berry concerned about the military buildup of the Russian and Iranian forces and equipment in Syria. Looks like the strongman is getting reinforcements and won’t be toppled soon. Ah, the line in the sand is like shifting sand.
    Well, at first I was gonna say we should accept zero Syrians escaping their homeland. Zero is a nice round number. But, upon future reflection, I say let the lot of them in, but keep out the Greeks. And the Port-a-gues for goodness sake. Keep them out as well

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  49. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Jon @ 12:13….. Oh. Stop it now. I am going die laughing. Friedman is just another midget from Robert Reich’s mother. Centralist? Ha ha. Not a progressive? Wonder what your definition of a progressive is then, Jon. Scary though, strike that question.
    Well, Friedman did receive the Nobel Prize along with Yassir and Jimmy and Obama. He is in good middle of the road company. Oh, Jon, quit horsing around.

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