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'What happens in the Middle East doesn’t stay in the Middle East.'  WSJ

George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary aired on 2 September 2015.]

Here’s a 50,000 foot view of the great cultural divides that will focus our attention in America and also in the European Union.  The EU’s promise of a unified Europe free of wars is under great strain both economically and culturally.  It turns out that Angela Merkel’s conclusion that “Multi-kulti does not work” is true, not only in Germany, but all over the continent.  And nothing has caused the Europeans to raise their ire more than the increasing flood of Muslims into their cities and countries.

The diaspora from the failed Islamic states that ring Europe on its south is turning into a life altering invasion of people who share few values with the Europeans beyond the desire to escape death and destruction.  These illegal aliens who are daily scampering onto the shores of southern Europe are called ‘migrants’ which is their word for our politically correct ‘undocumented immigrants’.  The European countries of entry don’t want the Muslims to stay, so the ‘immigrant’ word is out.  But they do want them to migrate north to the richer regions of the continent, so ‘migrant’ is an accepted politically neutral label for the desperate aliens who are quickly ushered northward by countries like Greece, Italy, and Spain.

Muslims have been emigrating to Europe for decades, and have made themselves conspicuous to the indigenous Europeans by their refusal to assimilate and their understandable desire to live in their own culturally cohesive communities.  In many countries these enclaves are now functionally sovereign in that they follow their own laws, maintain their own traditions, and forcefully reject any encroachment by the institutions of their targeted host nations.

We in America were once taught to abide all cultures which in our public forums subsumed themselves into the overarching ‘American culture’ – practice your own cultures when you are among yourselves, but become an obvious American when you gather in the town square with fellow Americans.  This is no longer taught to our young.  Today our schools celebrate America’s constituent cultures to the point where a common American culture has been banished and replaced by reference to a yet nebulous global culture.


The world is and has always been a dangerous and uncertain place.  Cultures arose millennia ago as people of like mind joined together to defend themselves and contend with groups who sought what they had.  Most people understand that a culture is defined by commonly held attributes of language, ethnicity, religion, governance, economics, traditions, mores, and values.  The stronger cultures hold more of these attributes in common.  For security and economic purposes the main benefit of a common culture is the people’s ability to know and reliably predict each other’s behavior.  Living in a culturally cohesive community you don’t have to constantly watch your back, you know the behavioral norms practiced by your neighbor as well as the man-on-the-street.  As an unmistakable member of that culture, you can devote more of your attention and energies to better your and your family’s life.

Strangers in strange lands have always sought out people like themselves to band together and establish a familiar and secure place in which to live and work.  The trouble usually starts when widely variant cultures must share the same space and resources.   Sharing is hard, and sharing with people who are not like you is almost impossible.  This truth gave rise to kingdoms and countries which have survived the rise and fall of empires.  Today we see cultures clashing once more on a prosperous continent that has attempted to organize itself into an economically unified landmass of already culturally distinct countries into which hundreds of thousands of very different and uninvited people arrive yearly.  This has always spelled trouble, and promises to do so again.

In the United States we are dismantling the great cultural assimilation engine.  We are again told by political elites to view ourselves first as members of culturally neutral classes rather than as Americans with an overarching culture.  Instead we are divided into the rich, the poor, the privileged, the persecuted, the Anglos, the Blacks, the Hispanics, the whatever as long as such lines of separation and growing contention can be maintained for later reassembly under a new world order.  And this new world order will then be sought at any cost as relief in the time of troubles that lie ahead.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on Rebane’s Ruminations where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  Collectivists of all stripes, and especially global collectivists, seek the triumph of their ideology through class warfare.  As recounted above, class attributes reach across all cultural boundaries.  All cultures have their rich and poor and privileged and underprivileged.  Even ethnically labeled yet culturally distinct groups such as Hispanics can be relegated to a class for purposes of political cohesion and marshalling.  The main weapon of collectivists is a class-based view of society wherein the disaffected from all cultures can join to fight for ‘equality’ and ‘social justice’.

When such people can be convinced that their greater benefit will come from a successful class struggle rather than hewing to their cultural assets, then they can be convinced to join in the fight for forms of governance that are ‘democratic’ and redistributive.  This strategy was implemented as early as the waning days of the monarchy in 18th century France, and formalized within a global perspective by Marx and Engels in the mid-19th century.  And even after some massive failures during the 20th century, some of which are ongoing, the collectivist dream in the west is alive and well, seeking once and for all to put the Westphalian world order behind us and achieve a global governance – a just and sustainable social order of true equality, peace, and plenty for all who submit their individuality to the correct and approved Homogeneous Man. (see also Agenda 21)

In this American election season we have strong voices from the Left now unabashedly calling for a more direct route to such a future.  They range from socialist candidates like Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton to national voices like that of Amy Goodman calling for people to see themselves first as members of the underdog class from whom the rich and privileged have stolen their means to obtain both succor and security.  No matter their cultures of origin, they are exhorted to join the proudly gruberized who need know only that their salvation lies in the collective able to put in place a government willing and strong enough to claw back from the rich everything that was meant to be theirs.

In 1951 socialist and social activist Upton Sinclair wrote “The American People will take Socialism, but they won't take the label.”  While that has been true in the intervening years, it is no longer true as the proud pronouncements of today’s Democrat candidates attest.  America’s programs of wealth redistribution have gone beyond the tipping point in their breadth and depth, and that means that the Peter-Paul Principle is now fully in force across the land.  ‘Whenever you promise to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the full support of Paul.’  Our Founders (and early foreign visitors) warned us about what will happen when the Pauls gain majority.  For confirmation, just look around you (and in your own mailbox).

[7sep15 update]  Germany is now beseeching other EU countries to help her welcome mid-east migrants.  Merkel is currently allowing about 800,000 new Muslims annually into Germany, and she knows this is a life-changing policy for Germans and unsustainable.  Many other EU leaders are way ahead of her and already have concluded that they don't want their countries fundamentally transformed by Islam's most successful foray into Europe to date.  The Europeans will now have their Muslims to deal with in a manner similar to our having to deal with 11M+ illegal Hispanics.

However, there appears to be a mitigating solution for Europe.  I first posted on it in the comment stream below where it seems to have garnered a big yawn from the RR readership.  I believe it deserves better, so I have elevated it into this update in order to have it more prominently displayed when someone searches RR for topics dealing with culture or the Muslims' northward migration.

Has anyone wondered why no one in the media – including Fox News – points out that the Muslim 'migrants' now flooding into Europe overwhelmingly come from Turkey where there is no threat to their life and limb?  Upon arrival in Europe, their claim to be escaping death and destruction is clearly risible, since they are then simply looking for a better economic environment in which to set up shop.

Why has no one suggested that the EU countries, and even the US, provide Turkey the aid needed to care for the Syrian refugees where they already are – in short, replicate what we are doing to help Jordan care for the Syrian refugees lodged on their soil?  The added benefit there is that the distance back home is short when the hostilities end and it is safe to return.  Whatever the policy outcome affecting this mass migration, how come our vaunted journalists are too dense to even bring up this (to me) obvious solution?  (I don't ask the same of the politicians, for they really do have the required density.)

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203 responses to “The Great Cultural Divides of 2016 (updated 7sep15)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    How long have you been saving that one Paul? ( when all else fails go WAY back in time… Paul SOP..)

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 619pm – by my lights, yes they do have the same requirements to assimilate when they are off the res. If they don’t want to be American citizens, then stay on the res. There is a cost to not having invented the wheel, a written language, joining with other tribes into regional jurisdictions, etc, etc. Conquered primitives have always paid a price when coming in contact with superior cultures.
    My Estonian ancestors took it in the shorts for seven centuries when they were conquered by Germany’s Teutonic Knights. We weren’t even smart enough to ask for reparations, or maybe too smart to have avoided being laughed at. (There, that should have touched a bunch of liberal hot buttons.)

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  3. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    “Curses are like young chickens, they always come home to roost” – Robert Southey
    It has become very obvious to me imperialism or international interventions of nations are the curses for future generations. I am a person that truly believes in self determination. Unlike the Fab Five who believes in the rheteric but oppose it in practice.

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  4. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Bonnie,
    No one can serve two masters, so I take this as you don’t support Free Trade, Normal Trade Relations with China, WTO, and so on. All of these things do not support the American people. Instead exist to serve the interests of big business.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 754pm – Don’t know who are the “Fab Five” and what they believe. My belief in self determination is a bit more parochial, narrow, and less acceptable to the liberal mind. I am an American, and believe that my country is truly unique and exceptional – overall it has been a blessing to mankind for 200+ years. I believe in self determination for America. I also believe in self determination for other nations, but only to the extent that their exercise of that determination does not impede ours.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Paul Emery why do you go way back to times none of us lived in. If your grandma came through Ellis Island she was legal, right? If she had any of the things Walt mentioned, or she was sick, then she would have been sent back. Millions were. It also sounds like your parents were “anchor” babies.
    Regarding the issue of assimilation. Your Grandma was not politically trying to upend this country. She was not part of a massive influx of people that wanted to change the place. (like the Persians at Thermopylae) She and her kids actually did assimilate and that is the point.
    The present mass movements of people around the planet are upsetting the people and cultures of many areas. In America why would you not want people to assimilate? Why would you not want them to speak our language? Why would you want masses of people to come here and change what we have created? The freest, most forward looking and wonderful nation ever conceived. If you are a nihilist I understand but if you are truly a patriotic American you should be as upset as the rest of us that truly want to save America.
    And I see the “jon” is doing his best Goebbels impersonation. You truly are a troll. There are rumors you are a pot distributor here in the area. Is that true? Are you a drug pusher “jon”?

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Just what tirade you on now Paul? Thank Big GOV for trade differences. The ECO bastards got their restrictive EPA regs, so be happy. It drove manufacturing of everyday stuff to anywhere but here.( try building a saleable solar panel in Ca.) Big Unions pushed for extreme wages. More jobs hit the high seas.( Detroit is sure doing GREAT!) Then the tax man gave another helping hand. The most taxed business climate in the world. It’s that simple.

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  8. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Yeah Todd, because immigrants today aren’t buying the far right wack job Republican mantra means they are trying to “upend” the country.
    OMG, they may vote Democratic! How terrible. You truly are an idiot, aren’t you? PFTC.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jon | 03 September 2015 at 08:55 PM
    Yawn.

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  10. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Hey Walt, I AM happy about ECO regs. Very happy. And happy we have no destructive mining now in the area.
    Thank goodness we have intelligent people in this country who demanded these things. Democracy is a very good thing.

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  11. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    03 September 2015 at 08:01 PM
    In almost all the discussions you and I have you don’t believe in self determination of other nations. Might makes right sums up my interpretation of your position. I guess if you believe the entire planet earth is here to serve the United States your 8:01 comment has credibility. My guess 95-98% of the earths population wouldn’t agree.

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  12. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Exactly Ben. The world is not centered around the USA.

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  13. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Walt, 03 September 2015 at 08:31 PM
    I think that comment might be addressed to the wrong Emery. Trade policies are basically tax policies and we have removed virtually all taxes on imported goods coming into our country. That is what drove companies out. If those taxes weren’t in place during the middle class boom of the New Deal era companies most likely would have left US soil then but they weren’t so companies had a choice to make. Keep jobs in America and invest in employees, R&D, and new innovations or pay an import tax that equals the cost of doing business in the US.
    If you couple the disappearing import tariffs with the dramatic lowering of the top marginal tax rates along with taxing capital at lower rates than labor it is a perfect cocktail for businesses to leave the country and keep their profits off shore. This then depletes the US the needed revenue to keep our infrastructure safe and competitive. It also causes our economy to be run on debt more and more since decent paying jobs are becoming less abundant while the cost of living is skyrocketing due to big industry capturing basically our entire federal government and many state governments.

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  14. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Todd, you yawn a lot. Old age makes you tire easily.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yo Emeries and juan. Speak English.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Yup,, my mistake. Wrong Lefty…
    Trade deals have done nothing to help the American working stiff. The rising cost of doing business in the U.S. (thanks to LIBS and RINOS) is the driving force of lost jobs.
    Like I said.. From massive regs, rising insurance, unions ( that’s changing and fast)
    and taxation. ( record tax intake, and pissed away just as fast)
    Then catering to illegals is the straw the broke the mule’s back.
    That’s why the people are about to elect Trump. They(we) are done with the greasy politician. LIBS have done the damage and now will pay the price for it.
    The “take America back” march is on.

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  17. Walt Avatar

    When a TROLL speaks, no one listens. It’s after dark. NO TROLL feeding. They fart and smell up the place.

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ben, I do not believe its 1.3 trillion dollars American companies are keeping off shore. It has to be higher than a measley 1.3 trillion any day of the week. Might have something to do with that sky high US corporate tax rate, not cap gains or top marginal rates on individuals me thinks. When you have the top or second highest business taxes on the planet, U.S. corporations have a legal fudicuary duty to the share owners (teacher union pensions, truck drivers, little old widows, etc) to make the company profitable and return profits to the share owners.
    Boy, just think of all the non-empowered folks you could help with a easy trillion. You could set up campuses for starving artists and give every person of color 40 acres and a mule.

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The cost of living is skyrocketing due to big business…..blah, blah, blah. Why does CA have the highest gas prices in the nation, Ben? Why has the price of CA eggs skyrocketed Ben? Why had the cost of transactions skyrocketed Ben. Boy, you really hit the poor people the hardest…right in their bread and butter issues, like getting to work. Why are electric rates going up, Ben. You are killing the poor folks among us.
    if the poor powerless people have any more friends like you, who needs enemas?

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 904pm – That is another very confused comment Ben. Where have I ever said that I don’t “believe in self determination of other nations”? I explained in detail such determination in my 801pm. You apparently are among the horde of liberal minds that cannot parse conditionals – so you simply eliminate them and present a kindergarten version of logic in response. I’d advise rereading my 801pm, but it would probably be a waste of time. And the part about my believing “the entire planet earth is here to serve the United States” sounds like you have a fever. I sincerely wish I knew how to help you.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 03 September 2015 at 06:22 PM
    SF is crowing about its transgender bathrooms for kindergarteners. Really?!?!?

    Take it easy Don….you pushed somebodies Than Francithco Valuths button……he’s responding to this on threads that haven’t seen any activity in a year!

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  22. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    So all you brainiacs answer this,
    Did Europeans assimilate in North America, South America, Central America, Africa, India, Middle East ect…. ?
    We all know my opinion on this, Hell No! Through death and destruction they wiped out cultures and forced the people who were there before to be slaves or retreat to concentration camps(reservations) in North America at least.

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Did Europeans assimilate in North America, South America, Central America, Africa, India, Middle East ect…. ?
    Did Europeans assimilate in North America? – Yes
    Did Europeans assimilate in South America? – Don’t know….. don’t really care.
    Did Europeans assimilate in Central America? – Don’t know….. don’t really care.
    Did Europeans assimilate in Africa? Nobody assimilates in Africa.
    Did Europeans assimilate in India? – Don’t know….. don’t really care.
    Did Europeans assimilate in the Middle East? – See Africa.
    Is there anything else this “Brainiac” can do for you? Any other mysteries you would like revealed?

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  24. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George, 03 September 2015 at 10:12 PM
    You have over and over again defended Western Imperialism, how does that fall in line with supporting self determination?
    Can you not see the connection of instability around the world where the West has inserted itself for centuries?

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Just like your momma and papa had to raise you and sometimes make you be a good boy, more advanced nations had to do that with the less advanced. Sort of like ancient Rome. Hundreds of different countries were conquered and most accepted the Roman way. They accepted because at that time it was the most advanced.
    So the planet’s less advance countries today are scrambling to catch up with the advanced western countries. Many of their people though are taking the shortcut and slipping into the countries to avoid their personal responsibility to do it legally, there by creating conflicts like we see today.
    Before European countries colonized less advanced countries, those countries were mostly feudal and warring within their borders. The English colonies were generally civilized after a time and peaceful. Now we see wars everywhere. I just read about the wars between Argentina and Chile. No Europeans involved.
    If the third and fourth world countries want to have peace and become more prosperous they need to adapt our Constitution and the capitalist system. Best anti-poverty prescription ever created.

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  26. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Holy Crap Todd!
    That is without a doubt one the most off the mark commentaries about European Colonialism/ Imperialism I have ever seen.

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 04 September 2015 at 08:38 AM
    Todd your sentiment was not phrased particularly elegantly but there is a susbstantial element of truth to it. Romes expansionary period was a civilizing force in much of the world and as you said much of the world reaped tangible benefits from it. It was not gentle. It was not what we would consider just by current standards but it was “civilizational”.
    Remember that Bens history begins….and ends really….when the first “white” person oppressed the first “non-white” person. His mindset allows for no more nuance than that.
    Think of it as the “Dances with Wolves” school of history!

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  28. Walt Avatar

    Sorry Ben, the world doesn’t spin the way you want it to. The ” why can’t we all just get along?” has never worked, and never will.
    Funny,, neither you or Paul have dared touch my examples of “you side” sticking their nose into other cultures affairs. ( in the here and now) How dare they collect and gather food the way they have for centuries.

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  29. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “Hundreds of different countries were conquered and most accepted the Roman way.” What about those people who disagreed with the Romans? KInd of like how Jesus accepted the Roman way and what they did to him? The Roman way or the cross? Tell me Todd, would you accept the Chinese way if they conquered America? What about the Russian way? Or for that matter any “way” forced on you by a foreign nation? You constantly complain about radical Islam,. Why? ISIS is just conquering people and forcing their “way” on people just like the Romans. What you are implying is that it’s OK to be conquered and forced to assimilate and give up their heritage but only by capitalist countries. Do you think all nations want GMOs? Not any one in Europe (80% of all GMOs are sold in America because of no labeling laws). The corporations fight labeling because they know if people knew the truth they wouldn’t buy the crap? What about porn, which is a wonderful capitalist endeavor that makes billions of dollars a year? Do you think all countries should be forced to assimilate and like porn because you do? Maybe some cultures think it is degrading and offensive. Oh, too bad folks, chuck your heritage and your religious beliefs and become a good Christian American like Todd. It’s for your own good.
    “If the third and fourth world countries want to have peace and become more prosperous they need to adapt our Constitution and the capitalist system. Best anti-poverty prescription ever created.” Ask India how well they did on the anti-poverty issue why under English rule? What about all the banana republics in Central and South America set up by CIA funded and orchestrated coups on behalf of Chiquita or Chevron or CocaCola? I bet the locals think the death squads are the greatest thing since Wonderbread and Twinkies. The missing point here is that conquerers rape and pillage the countries they take over. I am sure all of the people in the third and fourth worlds are overjoyed when multinational corporations come in and take their resources and pollute their environments. You should research how many labor organizers, priests, nuns, and other human rights activists have been murdered by corporate funded goon squads all over the world. Of course, like other truths, you will deny it ever happened because that might puncture your little balloon of a self created reality where everything you want to believe is true despite facts to the contrary.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 822am – I believe your interrogation scheme is logically off the rails. And you do keep making charges and asking questions without answering any of my responses – e.g. my 1012pm is the last to go unanswered.
    But try to understand this. Given the numerous dysfunctional cultures that populate the world, and the relativistic mores concerning good and evil, I do not and never have promoted any kind of global egalitarianism. Culturally and nationalistically I am an elitist – I believe that western culture is and has been of greatest net benefit to the human race, and America is (miraculously!) still head and shoulders above any other nation in the structure and operation of its governance. When cultures contend with ours and/or when countries contend with America, my policy on our responses has always been simple – we win, they lose (even Reagan picked up on this one viz communism).
    You and yours will have none of this, and that is why I don’t think we will have a common future.

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  31. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Todd’s infamous and bizarre scribe on European history above is beyond fiction.
    Anyway, NYT has nice piece today on the inevitable Syrian migration to Europe.
    Reaping with Bush and Cheney sowed, circa 2003.

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  32. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Fish- 6am- If we did not have dedicated readers to monitor the dark lord of liberal lament land would he have any individual clicks to speak of? Probably not. It must have been a thread that had some activity to remind NC how relevant and important he was. lol Maybe he could talk to the local pedophiles and help us understand how big that pre-school trans gender problem is.

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    “Hundreds of different countries were conquered and most accepted the Roman way.” What about those people who disagreed with the Romans?
    For quite a while….they lost.
    KInd of like how Jesus accepted the Roman way and what they did to him? The Roman way or the cross?
    Jesus won……eventually.
    Tell me Todd, would you accept the Chinese way if they conquered America? What about the Russian way? Or for that matter any “way” forced on you by a foreign nation?
    He may have to…..at the rate the US is being chewed up from the inside by you progressive termites I think it entirely possible that America as we know it will cease to exist…..and this without any external help.
    Keep watching the skies JoKe!
    You constantly complain about radical Islam,. Why? ISIS is just conquering people and forcing their “way” on people just like the Romans. What you are implying is that it’s OK to be conquered and forced to assimilate and give up their heritage but only by capitalist countries.
    And why shouldn’t he…you really believe that the ISIS method is a better way of governing than what we currently have…..even as screwed up as it is? Go ahead JoKe make your case form its superiority I eagerly await your arguments.
    What about porn, which is a wonderful capitalist endeavor that makes billions of dollars a year? Do you think all countries should be forced to assimilate and like porn because you do? Maybe some cultures think it is degrading and offensive. Oh, too bad folks, chuck your heritage and your religious beliefs and become a good Christian American like Todd. It’s for your own good.
    I suppose that you would need to demonstrate that the government was encouraging…nay compelling these poor oppressed peoples to watch porn. Can you document these charges?
    I had no idea you were such a moralist JoKe.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 04 September 2015 at 09:43 AM
    Much like the rest of the world monitors the “acting out” and general shenanigans of North Korea we watch the “Great Purple Menace” for his occasional bouts of shelling and questionable behavior directed towards his neighbors.
    It’s just common sense!

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  35. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 04 September 2015 at 09:42 AM
    Ironically you have revealed the initial (recent trigger anyway) trigger for all the subsequent unpleasantness in the middle east. The US should have done all it could to keeps its thug in power and pressing down on the pressure cooker that was the middle east. Unfortunately somebody decided that taking foreign policy direction from AIPAC was a really good deal for America.
    Oh well blind squirrels and all that……

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Uh,, Joe… nice rant. Ever been to some of the banana republic hell holes?
    If things are so great “down there” why are those vary people seeking asylum here?
    Sure dude, blame it on American Corp.s That’s always an easy out.
    Next time you go to the store, check just where those fruits and veggies come from.
    Odds are, not from U.S. farms, but from El South’a.

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  37. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Fish- So long as we don’t fall into the Bill Clinton trap and trade food for a cease fire! They always eat the food and go back to firing again when they have gobbled it all up. There are only so many chili cheese fries to go around in the world. ROFLOL 😉

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Fish excellent responses to the JoeK diatribe. These self hating anarchist liberals have never had it so good. Their kids (God help us) have a amazing country and these JoeK types want to wreck it. I will not respond to the JoeK or the other loon because they are beyond rational. I am a history buff and I know enough of it to be dangerous to the “makeover” these libnuts are trying to create.
    Most of the civilized world is based on Greek then Roman life. If the libnuts can’t even accept that fact then the readers can see their folly. Also, if we are conquered by the Chinese we can trace that to people like JoeK and “jon”. To the victor goes the spoils, power and military victory make the world go around.
    Lastly, “porn”? As far as I know it exists mainly because we have free speech and expression and there will always be people taking those traits to the extreme. Sort of like JoeK’s climate change porn. And it seems to exist in most countries that are not run by tyrants or religions nuts.
    Golly, I am happy to sir it up with such ignorant people like JoeK and “jon”.

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    What I would like to hear from the ‘jons’ of the world is how they can advocate for open boarders when we have over 94,000,000 American workers out of the job market? The US is a debtor nation now. Our kids have to sacrifice for those scurrying across the open boarder or being flown in by 0 to get their average of 58k in benefits per illegal family. I believe someone already posted the figures yesterday about 75% of Mexican and central American illegals receiving welfare. The argument that there is a benefit to the nation from uncontrolled illegal alien flows is a rainbow unicorn.

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  40. George Boardman Avatar

    Only at Ruminations can you find people who still believe in the white man’s burden.

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  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Boardman | 04 September 2015 at 10:19 AM
    GET OFF MY LAWN……….!

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 04 September 2015 at 10:16 AM
    I realize that we will have a substantial hispanic population in the US, much of it here illegally for the foreseeable future. I just think it funny that nitwits like JoKe think that they are here due to our humanitarian impulses. We import the third world so the democrats have a willing army of democrat lever pullers and the Repukes want cheap labor and larger markets. In short a win-win for the political classes.
    If the hordes flowing northward were reliable Republican voters TEAM EVIL would have had the fence up already and the machine gun equipped guard towers fully manned and provisioned with ammunition.

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  43. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    you really believe that the ISIS method is a better way of governing than what we currently have…..even as screwed up as it is? Go ahead JoKe make your case form its superiority I eagerly await your arguments.”– the rest of your analysis isn’t worth commenting on.
    I don’t see anywhere any statement that could lead to this assumption. You are simple putting on your spin and making a rather stupid assertion in a paltry attempt to deflect criticism (which is the only game you have) of Todd’s fourth grade view of the world.
    It’s called “analogy” Carp.. comparing two similar things to make a third point. In this case, for those of you who don’t get it: The point is that conquering is conquering no matter who does it.

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    GeorgeB 1019am – Mr Boardman, do you have a new/unique definition of “white man’s burden”? If so, please expand.
    For reference, White Man’s Burden is “generally accepted to mean the colonial powers (Great Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Russia, Italy and the United States), had a duty to civilize the more brutish and barbaric parts of the world.”
    Not to say that such dedicated people don’t exist, but I’m not aware of anyone on these pages who thinks that we should still shoulder such a burden. Please don’t confuse our ability to commercially exploit less developed people, and/or defend ourselves against their growing abilities to foray against our global interests.

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  45. fish Avatar
    fish

    Why? ISIS is just conquering people and forcing their “way” on people just like the Romans. What you are implying is that it’s OK to be conquered and forced to assimilate and give up their heritage but only by capitalist countries.
    My assertion is no more incorrect your rambling gem above. Nor was Todds. Roman conquest occurred nothing we can do about it now….and it was a civilizing force. Deny it until you collapse in a ball of spittle flecked, Greek fishing cap wearing, would be socialist theorizing ball of rage. You will still be incorrect…a condition I imagine with which you are well acquainted.
    It’s called “analogy” Carp.. comparing two similar things to make a third point. In this case, for those of you who don’t get it: The point is that conquering is conquering no matter who does it.
    I’m sad for you JoKe.

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  46. Walt Avatar

    As usual when those who bitch about imposing on “other cultures”, are the vary ones doing the “imposing”(Their ideology) and it’s brought into the light here,, it’s a cricket fest.
    So when “your side” does it,, it’s OK…Got it.

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  47. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Oh boy Walt, your candidate had a bad day yesterday. Not quite up on world affairs, ha? LOL.
    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/03/donald-trump-stumbles-and-bristles-during-foreign-policy-question

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  48. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – I again notice that several commenters are seemingly having conversations with unknown parties whose comments reside upstream. Tried to decipher who is talking to whom about what – too hard to sort it out, gave up. I wonder how many other readers have the same experience when they don’t know the conversants, especially when these choose to ignore the others’ points and simply launch into the ether with their cleverly crafted responses.

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  49. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Joek is certainly an ignoramus regarding history. The history of the world is one of power. Still today we see it. Raw, unbridled power. Islam, Russia, Sudan, even those tribal types in Somalia (remember Sri Lanka). It was really pushed in the 30’s and 40’s and it took a free people to stop it. JoeK would dismiss that apparently.
    Greece circa 500 BC, specifically Athens started the planet’s people on the road of individual freedom and democracy. They did not want tyrants any longer. They and Sparta fought the Persians who were trying to overrun Greece and the 300 stopped them at the “Hot Gates”. Otherwise, Persian language and traditions would probably be practiced today by the ingrate JoeK and his ingrate ilk.
    How these liberals can think so little of their own country is beyond me. Our fathers defeated tyranny and these idiots like JoeK and “jon” would toss that victory away in a heartbeat. All for what? Some fantasy that we of the west are somehow equal to the tyrants of 30’s Germany and Italy? Or Genghis Khan or the Moors (by the way they were blacks invading white Europe)? That is why these ingrates need to go back and read history. They and Ben Emery could see why they are so ignorant of the truth.

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  50. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “Only at Ruminations can you find people who still believe in the white man’s burden”. George Boardman
    Not to mention Manifest Destiny, 2016.

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