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'What happens in the Middle East doesn’t stay in the Middle East.'  WSJ

George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary aired on 2 September 2015.]

Here’s a 50,000 foot view of the great cultural divides that will focus our attention in America and also in the European Union.  The EU’s promise of a unified Europe free of wars is under great strain both economically and culturally.  It turns out that Angela Merkel’s conclusion that “Multi-kulti does not work” is true, not only in Germany, but all over the continent.  And nothing has caused the Europeans to raise their ire more than the increasing flood of Muslims into their cities and countries.

The diaspora from the failed Islamic states that ring Europe on its south is turning into a life altering invasion of people who share few values with the Europeans beyond the desire to escape death and destruction.  These illegal aliens who are daily scampering onto the shores of southern Europe are called ‘migrants’ which is their word for our politically correct ‘undocumented immigrants’.  The European countries of entry don’t want the Muslims to stay, so the ‘immigrant’ word is out.  But they do want them to migrate north to the richer regions of the continent, so ‘migrant’ is an accepted politically neutral label for the desperate aliens who are quickly ushered northward by countries like Greece, Italy, and Spain.

Muslims have been emigrating to Europe for decades, and have made themselves conspicuous to the indigenous Europeans by their refusal to assimilate and their understandable desire to live in their own culturally cohesive communities.  In many countries these enclaves are now functionally sovereign in that they follow their own laws, maintain their own traditions, and forcefully reject any encroachment by the institutions of their targeted host nations.

We in America were once taught to abide all cultures which in our public forums subsumed themselves into the overarching ‘American culture’ – practice your own cultures when you are among yourselves, but become an obvious American when you gather in the town square with fellow Americans.  This is no longer taught to our young.  Today our schools celebrate America’s constituent cultures to the point where a common American culture has been banished and replaced by reference to a yet nebulous global culture.


The world is and has always been a dangerous and uncertain place.  Cultures arose millennia ago as people of like mind joined together to defend themselves and contend with groups who sought what they had.  Most people understand that a culture is defined by commonly held attributes of language, ethnicity, religion, governance, economics, traditions, mores, and values.  The stronger cultures hold more of these attributes in common.  For security and economic purposes the main benefit of a common culture is the people’s ability to know and reliably predict each other’s behavior.  Living in a culturally cohesive community you don’t have to constantly watch your back, you know the behavioral norms practiced by your neighbor as well as the man-on-the-street.  As an unmistakable member of that culture, you can devote more of your attention and energies to better your and your family’s life.

Strangers in strange lands have always sought out people like themselves to band together and establish a familiar and secure place in which to live and work.  The trouble usually starts when widely variant cultures must share the same space and resources.   Sharing is hard, and sharing with people who are not like you is almost impossible.  This truth gave rise to kingdoms and countries which have survived the rise and fall of empires.  Today we see cultures clashing once more on a prosperous continent that has attempted to organize itself into an economically unified landmass of already culturally distinct countries into which hundreds of thousands of very different and uninvited people arrive yearly.  This has always spelled trouble, and promises to do so again.

In the United States we are dismantling the great cultural assimilation engine.  We are again told by political elites to view ourselves first as members of culturally neutral classes rather than as Americans with an overarching culture.  Instead we are divided into the rich, the poor, the privileged, the persecuted, the Anglos, the Blacks, the Hispanics, the whatever as long as such lines of separation and growing contention can be maintained for later reassembly under a new world order.  And this new world order will then be sought at any cost as relief in the time of troubles that lie ahead.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on Rebane’s Ruminations where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  Collectivists of all stripes, and especially global collectivists, seek the triumph of their ideology through class warfare.  As recounted above, class attributes reach across all cultural boundaries.  All cultures have their rich and poor and privileged and underprivileged.  Even ethnically labeled yet culturally distinct groups such as Hispanics can be relegated to a class for purposes of political cohesion and marshalling.  The main weapon of collectivists is a class-based view of society wherein the disaffected from all cultures can join to fight for ‘equality’ and ‘social justice’.

When such people can be convinced that their greater benefit will come from a successful class struggle rather than hewing to their cultural assets, then they can be convinced to join in the fight for forms of governance that are ‘democratic’ and redistributive.  This strategy was implemented as early as the waning days of the monarchy in 18th century France, and formalized within a global perspective by Marx and Engels in the mid-19th century.  And even after some massive failures during the 20th century, some of which are ongoing, the collectivist dream in the west is alive and well, seeking once and for all to put the Westphalian world order behind us and achieve a global governance – a just and sustainable social order of true equality, peace, and plenty for all who submit their individuality to the correct and approved Homogeneous Man. (see also Agenda 21)

In this American election season we have strong voices from the Left now unabashedly calling for a more direct route to such a future.  They range from socialist candidates like Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton to national voices like that of Amy Goodman calling for people to see themselves first as members of the underdog class from whom the rich and privileged have stolen their means to obtain both succor and security.  No matter their cultures of origin, they are exhorted to join the proudly gruberized who need know only that their salvation lies in the collective able to put in place a government willing and strong enough to claw back from the rich everything that was meant to be theirs.

In 1951 socialist and social activist Upton Sinclair wrote “The American People will take Socialism, but they won't take the label.”  While that has been true in the intervening years, it is no longer true as the proud pronouncements of today’s Democrat candidates attest.  America’s programs of wealth redistribution have gone beyond the tipping point in their breadth and depth, and that means that the Peter-Paul Principle is now fully in force across the land.  ‘Whenever you promise to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the full support of Paul.’  Our Founders (and early foreign visitors) warned us about what will happen when the Pauls gain majority.  For confirmation, just look around you (and in your own mailbox).

[7sep15 update]  Germany is now beseeching other EU countries to help her welcome mid-east migrants.  Merkel is currently allowing about 800,000 new Muslims annually into Germany, and she knows this is a life-changing policy for Germans and unsustainable.  Many other EU leaders are way ahead of her and already have concluded that they don't want their countries fundamentally transformed by Islam's most successful foray into Europe to date.  The Europeans will now have their Muslims to deal with in a manner similar to our having to deal with 11M+ illegal Hispanics.

However, there appears to be a mitigating solution for Europe.  I first posted on it in the comment stream below where it seems to have garnered a big yawn from the RR readership.  I believe it deserves better, so I have elevated it into this update in order to have it more prominently displayed when someone searches RR for topics dealing with culture or the Muslims' northward migration.

Has anyone wondered why no one in the media – including Fox News – points out that the Muslim 'migrants' now flooding into Europe overwhelmingly come from Turkey where there is no threat to their life and limb?  Upon arrival in Europe, their claim to be escaping death and destruction is clearly risible, since they are then simply looking for a better economic environment in which to set up shop.

Why has no one suggested that the EU countries, and even the US, provide Turkey the aid needed to care for the Syrian refugees where they already are – in short, replicate what we are doing to help Jordan care for the Syrian refugees lodged on their soil?  The added benefit there is that the distance back home is short when the hostilities end and it is safe to return.  Whatever the policy outcome affecting this mass migration, how come our vaunted journalists are too dense to even bring up this (to me) obvious solution?  (I don't ask the same of the politicians, for they really do have the required density.)

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203 responses to “The Great Cultural Divides of 2016 (updated 7sep15)”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, you could see this coming a long time ago. Culture? We don’t need no stinking’ culture.
    Meanwhile, the artistic and culture center of Italy, Milan, had banned any building of a mosque for quite some time now. Them fascists. Send those tired and poor to America I say.
    http://www.financialexpress.com/article/economy/passengers-stranded-in-dark-after-eurostar-trains-suspended-as-migrants-jump-on-to-calais-tracks/129618/
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/09/the-great-cultural-divides-of-2016.html#comments
    Can you hear all that European money earmarked for their own countrymen’s social services go down the drain? Pushback time in Old Europe. It can never happen over here.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34135603

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  2. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    The inevitable result of western concentration of wealth and the third world exposure to technology and transportation.
    The west’s exploitation of other people comes home to roost through social media and technology. Now its time to figure out what to do.
    In the old days, centers of power could employ genocide without a whole lot of notice. Not something feasible today.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yes, what to do with them now? Great question concerning the Great Migration. It’s against our culture to mistreat them, so just give them some Euros or some good ole Yankee Dollars.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    All this happening in one generation, ours! What have we done? In the PC world everyone except a few of the successful are entitled to others stuff. When I first saw a bilingual ballot I knew we had lost our minds and our country. The only way to save America and its distinct culture is to boot out those that do not want to assimilate. So it may cost 150 billion dollars to get them out and send them home. That is really cheap when you see the yearly costs to the rest of us. We need leaders that scare the sh** out of all those illegals. Eisenhower deported a million and another two saw the light and left on their own.
    Europe will rue the day (maybe now) for allowing non-assimilating cultures to come in for their cheap labor. After WW2 most of the young men were dead and the labor shortage pronounced. And America through the Marshall Plan supplied the money for their rebuilding. Now with the invasion of Muslims Europe will finally become the Anglo Caliphate the Moors tried to create a thousand years ago. Good luck Frenchy and Kaiser Willhelm.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd, you write “The only way to save America and its distinct culture is to boot out those that do not want to assimilate.”
    My Greek Grandmother came to this country in 1915 and to the day she died never became a citizen and could barely speak Enblish. She simply had no interest in it. She lived entirely within the world of her Greek culture and her religion, Greek Orthodox. It appears, based on your statement you would have had her deported. I find that offensive and wrong.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 916am – I’m not sure that ToddJ was referring to the many isolated cases of individuals, mostly elderly, living within the confines of their immigrant families. I knew several elderly Estonians, all legally here, who never bothered to assimilate. Their lives were lived out within the confines of their family’s social circle and occasional visits to the local Estonian House if one was nearby.
    What I am referring to in the EU case are large insular communities of aliens embedded in the midst of stable indigenous cultures that work to undermine the traditional social order with their demand for services, legalization of more ‘migrants’ like themselves, and modification of the host country’s laws to make them more compliant to their way of life, or provide a greater level of sovereignty within their growing enclaves. This is the invasion of which I speak and Europeans fear.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 03 September 2015 at 09:16 AM
    If a person can live in what to them is a foreign culture while having no desire to upend that culture I see that as a workable arrangement. Those coming from Muslim countries seem to have a great deal of difficulty assimilating and their religion demands more and more concessions from the the host society as the numbers grow.
    Europe is in the deepest of trouble and I’m really surprised that an increasingly secular Europe thought that the importation of millions of backwards and stridently religious middle easterners was in any way a good idea!

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So George how do you enact some kind of “culture assimilation test” to those groups you question. Assuming they are legal immigrants or citizens what process or legal tribunal do you propose to determine they are not assimilating to your liking? My question applies to our country not Europe whish I assume you include in your post.

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  9. Walt Avatar

    It not just people from other countries. The hippie “culture”(counter culture) got chased out of Frisco and infested the hills. In short order decimated the existing culture, and way of life. It continues to this day.

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 03 September 2015 at 10:43 AM
    The hippie “culture”(counter culture) got chased out of Frisco……

    Not sure that this is entirely true. Rather surprised that those who did morphed into such state worshipping douchenozzles.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 950am – During the country’s swing to the left over the last half century, the denigration of America’s traditional culture has shifted into high gear. Before that there was no need for a “culture assimilation test” (who are you quoting?), acculturation occurred naturally because American culture was in your face wherever you went (I experienced this directly). But not so today.
    To answer you, I have not proposed any such process of assimilation testing (again you have me confused with others). Furthermore, I know of no such assimilation tests that can or should be administered in a putatively still liberal country like ours.
    Assimilation is a natural social process. But our enquiry should be ‘assimilation into what?’. Assimilation always occurs to one extent or another. When America had a prominent public culture, that question answered itself. Today we have no such culture, and whatever vestiges of it remain are actively suppressed by the Left and the educational institutions it controls.
    So today’s ‘target culture’, if we can call it that, is a potpourri of cultures in various states of demise that present newcomers with an amalgam of cultural chaos that has no clear or inviting direction. Their natural response, for the reasons explained in my commentary, is to then join the closest one, or if the numbers are sufficient, start an enclave of their own. While this provides topical comfort, on the national scale it contributes to the general disintegration.
    And that is a prime indicator that we are well beyond the tipping point for being able to revive any semblance of a unified national culture that can be traced to anything American save its geography. The thrust of collectivism worldwide is toward a new centrally planned and enforced global culture that is in the making.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    If someone wants to be a citizen here they need to legally apply. If accepted, they must take the tests of our history and and pledge allegiance. Speak the language and have a job. They don’t get free money or things and must be healthy. Paul Emery, did your grandmother do any of those things? So she was an illegal alien? What was her road to the US?

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  13. Walt Avatar

    Fish.
    I watched it happen. “flower power” and the birth of the “earth firsters”. The Berkeley gang is also part of the “Frisco” crew. Those that got ran out of “the bay” in 69 took up residence on “the ridge”, and out in the Greenhorn digs. Once here, they creeped into local government.( Berkeley teachings)
    Before “they” showed up the local “culture” was ranching, mining, and logging. That was “our” way of life. The city hippies didn’t like that. They worshiped the trees and such.
    Ever since the influx of the “city LIB culture” ours has become endangered. That’s funny coming form those who say “they care” about “other” cultures.

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    In the meanwhile, we are not the first to walk this road to national destruction. We are following the failed and floundering.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33i_BAhuiE0

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  15. Walt Avatar

    My Grandparents on my Mother’s side, came from Sweden. They did so legally, and through Ellis Island. They studied English before even trying to come. Once on U.S. soil, they stopped speaking Swede, and only spoke English. They stopped wearing traditional Swedish
    cloths and “Americanized”.
    But that’s not good enough anymore. Now, somehow those that come here, need to bring the way of life they just had to LEAVE,, with them.

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  16. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, are you ever going to get over the changes that happened since the 1960s? LOL.
    Man, MOVE ON. There’s really no choice. Ranting and raving for 60 years straight gets old.

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  17. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Todd, there are a multitude of ethnic groups in the US, and CA in particular, where the old timers LEGAL residents will never speak English- Punjabi,Thai, Vietnamese, Filipino. Mong, and all the various other SE Asian groups. These people contribute immensely to productivity and tax base of our nation and their kids are assimilating. You’re going to force these families to speak English at home? LOL. Best of luck! Sounds like something out of Hitler’s Germany.

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  18. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    The waves of great human migration are not going to be stopped by one or two nations putting up massive walls. With the connected world, there is actually no real way to stop it in Europe in particular now. As I said, it was inevitable- once disenfranchised, desperate human beings trying to survive with their families obtained technological connectivity and modern transportation options, this was always going to happen at some point. Europe has to come together now as one and figure out a solution, short of inhumane actions. Its part of human history taking place before us. I don’t have anything past the need for Europe to unify in purpose now.

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  19. Walt Avatar

    What’s wrong keach? Can’t handle the truth? No revising history allowed.
    You cockroached your way here, and spout the way things should be from where you came from so consider yourself part of the problem.
    BTW,, your one of those that feel the rules don’t apply to you.

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  20. Psaul Emery Avatar
    Psaul Emery

    Todd
    My grandmother came through Ellis Island in 1914. She didn’t need no stinkin’ tests, never spoke English raised five children and was a farmers wife in the Capay Valley. Sad to think you would have deported her if you had the chance. America the beautiful right Todd.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Speaking of Cultural Divides……..

    A Critical Mass cyclist who attacked a Zipcar with a metal bike lock was wearing a shirt that said, “Non-violence is our strength.”


    That was one ugly Critical Mass scene Friday night. A group of bike riders, heading the wrong way down a street in the Marina, targeted a woman driving a Zipcar, shouted at her, and then blocked her path when she tried to drive around them. Eventually, one moron hammered the car with his bike lock, shattering a window.

    Sounds like somebody got the T-shirt but neglected to read the instruction manual!

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  22. fish Avatar
    fish

    Instead of taking the long way into Europe maybe these refugees could think of someplace closer.

    Migrant crisis: Why Syrians do not flee to Gulf states


    By Amira Fathalla
    Summary: Because fellow Arab countries like Qatar — which is reportedly budgeting a quarter of a trillion dollars on the 2022 World Cup — have rules against it.

    But remember it’s Europe that’s the problem!
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/bbc-why-syrians-do-not-flee-to-gulf-states/

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  23. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    ..Keach..?
    lol.

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 03 September 2015 at 01:39 PM
    KKKrazy Doug claimed to be puppeting you last weekend…..try not to act so surprised.

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  25. Walt Avatar

    Sorry Paul, back then the ability to read, write, and speak English was (and by law still is) a requirement of citizenship.So are you fibbing again? Hell. It seems you would fail the citizenship test.
    ( YES,, there IS a test) The Mrs. is a naturalized citizen. ( a German import)

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  26. Walt Avatar

    So he’s back to that crap again? Just wait for his conversation with himself.

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  27. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 147pm – I didn’t read that Paul claimed grandma became a citizen. There was never a requirement for English proficiency to legally immigrate into the US. No one in my family spoke English when we got off the boat in 1949, but we all had to be English literate as part of our citizenship requirements. (I was literate in 6 months, mom and dad took a mite longer since they worked at jobs where conversation was frowned upon.) And yes, a minimal English proficiency and basic US govt knowledge is still a prerequisite for becoming an American.
    Finally, an immigrant can be fluent in English, live in the US, and still not have to assimilate, which means to evince the visible traits of the host country’s culture when in public.

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  28. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Why do people leave their home and migrate to another country? Isn’t it because they’re seeking a better life? If they didn’t like what they left then why do they drag their same old ways along with them, and not respect the ways of the new country that’s better than what they left?

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    Jon 1200pm – just noticed your exhortation to Walt. Actually, the sum and stuff of RR is deeply rooted in considering where we have been, where we now are, and where we are apparently headed. What “gets old” in these comment streams are the know-nothing and history-free remarks from readers who cannot join in a discussion that coheres the past with the present. Understanding the past with its successes and foibles allows us to evaluate the present and the seemingly inevitable futures to which our elites are trying guide us. Those who do know the past can offer alternative ways forward about which the know-nothings are innocent.

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  30. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “So he’s back to that crap again? Just wait for his conversation with himself”.
    Walt, seriously- what are you talking about please?
    fish, I did miss Keachie’s claim. I have no idea whats going on with him these days with his mysterious, fleeting appearances here. Confusing. Walt certainly fell hook, line and sinker.

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  31. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “Why do people leave their home and migrate to another country? Isn’t it because they’re seeking a better life? If they didn’t like what they left then why do they drag their same old ways along with them, and not respect the ways of the new country that’s better than what they left?”
    Bonnie, you confuse culture with opportunity and dreams, and you know better. Cultural pride is not easily jettisoned at the door just because a current government or terrorist group is oppressive. Why should it be? Its great we have a rich tapestry of cultures in this country. God life would be boring eating white bread and hamburgers every day.

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  32. Walt Avatar

    “People applying to become citizens must satisfy certain requirements. For example, there have been requirements that applicants have been permanent residents for five years (three if married to a U.S. citizen), be of “good moral character” (meaning no felony convictions), be of “sound mind” in the judgment of immigration officials, have knowledge of the Constitution, and be able to speak and understand English unless they are elderly or disabled.”
    At least she didn’t boarder jump. ( did she overstay her visa?) Yes, Paul left plenty out.It’s his fault for the assumptions. Paul has some splain’n to do. ( as usual I won’t hold my breath)
    Our “multi-culties” need to try a little of that. Go to say,,, the Middle East?? and push (real)American values. (just try the basics) and see how long they keep their head. China? get on a soap box and see how far you get, before planting rice at gunpoint for the rest of your life.
    Yet these vary same bleading heart LIBS like to allow them to bring the way of life they fled, here. We must be “tolerant”. The Muslims want “their” Sharia laws HERE! ( “F” U !!)
    We have Mexicans waiving the Mexican flag on our streets.. NOT cool… The Stars and Stripes gets banned in favor of another nations flag.. Really?? Only Progressives see that as “all right”.
    BTW,,, Understanding English being a requirement to be a citizen, why are voter ballots printed in different languages?

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  33. Walt Avatar

    Yup,, the TROLL is TROLLING again. “jon”/Keach,,Keach/”jon” same diff,, same TROLL.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    A cultural divide of a positive nature for once!
    My gal…..Hillary Clinton is doing the country a great service by presenting to the country and electorate an administration that is pre-criminal…..so America knows just what it is getting and getting just what it deserves!
    Not even elected yet and her minions are already planning on pleading the 5th! It will be nice to not have to wait for handcuffs and criminal proceedings like her thoughtless husbands administration made us do! From Day 1 we’ll have politico/criminal theater just like the 90’s!
    So thoughtful, so progressive!
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-email-benghazi-pagliano-213295

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  35. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    OK Walt, have it your way. You da boss!

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  36. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, quite the lather again today, and the flair for the grammatically challenged dramatic! Wow. Please, I again implore you, calm yourself. Not good for the health, especially in conjunction with grilled animal meats.

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  37. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    OK, just one piece of analysis of a sub-rant contained in the main rant:
    “Our “multi-culties” need to try a little of that. Go to say,,, the Middle East?? and push (real)American values. (just try the basics) and see how long they keep their head. China? get on a soap box and see how far you get, before planting rice at gunpoint for the rest of your life”.
    Walt, are you proposing we detain, arrest, assault or otherwise interfere with our guests right to wave a flag of their choosing. Hell, when the US plays Mexico in soccer (in the US), I don’t want to see their flags waving in a US stadium, but seriously, that’s what we’ve helped create- people who want to rub things in the face of the wealthy, arrogant neighboring nation. I just laugh it off. Nothing you can do about it. No threat to me, or you.

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    re Jon’s 244pm – For the interested reader, note that Jon has not addressed the points of ‘assimilation’ or ‘overarching American culture’. In a monologue with himself, in vacuo he trots out the shibboleth, “Its great we have a rich tapestry of cultures in this country. God life would be boring eating white bread and hamburgers every day.”
    In actuality, it is horrible to have such a “rich tapestry” absent an overarching culture. But to a liberal globalist, that is as far as they want to go with that argument. If his readers are gruberized, then their tacit assumption is that such a rich tapestry exists today, as it did in the past (that Jon wants us to get over with), under an overarching American culture into which immigrants continue to assimilate. Sadly that no longer is true.

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  39. Walt Avatar

    Whatever Doug,, with your history, I would change my name too.
    “Your gal” Fish?? ( oh ya.. you do tilt a tad Left)
    This keeps getting better and better. ” I’m taking the 5TH!” Now how many more will do the same to gum up the works? I guess none cares to wind up dead, ratting out the Queen.
    What a snake pit the Clinton camp is. A whole regiment of LIBS will fall on their sward to protect Hillary.
    As for the IT guy, he had some coaching from Bill. ( what is the deff of “is”?)
    ” I don’t know what “wiped” means. ( sh** eating grin on CNN)

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  40. Psaul Emery Avatar
    Psaul Emery

    My Grandmother never became a citizen. My mother was born in this country and had citizenship at birth something that the Trumpers and other Repubs do not support. If they have their way my Mom and Grandmother and Grandfather would have been packaged up and sent back to Greece. My Grandfather became a citizen at the age of 80, quite a story.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    George.. In simple English,, ” crap from a crapper”. (named him/it self appropriately)

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 03 September 2015 at 03:57 PM
    Remember my friend that I am of a mind much like Mencken in his day that offered: “Democracy is the theory that the American people know what they want, and deserve to get it….. good and hard!”
    Hillary 2016: This time why not vote for the greater evil!

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  43. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Seems the post is reporting Bernie gets 2 Pinocchio’s for his income & wealth inequality stump lines.

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  44. Walt Avatar

    Well Paul,, did the Grandparents overstay a visa? OK,, so Mom was born on U.S. soil. So does that mean the whole family stays, and whoever is not here, can ?
    Rich foreigners make trips here just to have children born on U.S. soil ( Birthing vacations) Mainly from Asia. Is that fine and dandy? ( not for me)
    Maybe we should park a few underprivileged “immigrants” at your place. You pick up their tab. The same goes for the other bleeding heart LIBS. Give ICE a call, and take some heat off the taxpayers.

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  45. Walt Avatar

    Well Fish,, the buzzards are circling over camp Hillary. We are just watching a slow,, miserable,, death. The odds are better that she will see the big house, instead of the White House.
    But I don’t think that really going to be an issue, since Trump is burning up the polls.
    There will be plenty of turncoat Dems that will vote for Trump, because they still believe in “America First”. ( and not blame America first)

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  46. Walt Avatar

    So much for “multiculturalism”. If you don’t agree with their “culture”, protest to demand they change it.
    http://news.yahoo.com/japanese-towns-annual-dolphin-hunt-begins-104914360.html
    The same idealism that attacks Eskimos for they way they have gathered food for God know how long. ” we don’t like you hunting whales and seals for food”.

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  47. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    I agree with what Teddy Roosevelt said in 1907 about immigration. People can bring their culture to enjoy among themselves, but recognize and live by our laws. Otherwise they will confuse and divide America.
    “In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

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  48. Walt Avatar

    Yes Bonnie,, that pretty much nails it.

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  49. Psaul Emery Avatar
    Psaul Emery

    How about Native Americans George? Do they have the same requirements to assimilate when they are “off the reservation”? They never asked to be American citizens. They were invaded and conquered.

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  50. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    SF is crowing about its transgender bathrooms for kindergarteners. Really?!?!?

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