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In response to my 7aug15 commentary – ‘Planned (alternative to) Parenthood’ – in The Union, the newspaper’s 15aug15 edition contains two related pieces illuminating the liberal mind from the logically lame to the deliberately deceitful.  The first is a letter to the editor from “Dr Larry and Cheryl Cook” (paywalled here), and the second is an Other Voices commentary (paywalled here) by Ms Kimberly D’Urso, the gratefully aborted president of Nevada County Citizens for Choice.  Regular readers may recall our previous consideration of Ms Cheryl Cook in these pages (here and here).

The Cooks’ critique of my commentary is more than mind boggling.  They take me to task for my “blatantly exclusionary focus on women undergoing abortions”.  Apparently I was remiss in not including a comprehensive treatment of all the mass homicides caused by gun toting lunatics in my 750-word piece on Planned Parenthood that according to their lights attempted to treat “the sanctity of all human life, really?”  Well not quite.


Their letter was actually another screed promoting gun control and confiscation in America, and their desperate logic attempted to connect the 860,000 annual abortion deaths to the tens of annual mass killings by deranged lunatics and dedicated terrorists.  A careful perusal of the letter engenders hope about Dr Larry Cook, that if he works in healthcare, he doesn’t use similar logical constructs to cobble together his patients’ diagnoses and subsequent prescriptions.  About Ms Cheryl Cook, our already stated position continues to serve.

Ms D’Urso’s commentary is a quadruped of a different hue.  She repeats the deceptive pro-PP arguments that have become the de rigueur of abortion apologetics.  The first is the generic progressive proposition that something that government does not pay for is then considered to be prohibited, censored, proscribed, etc by that same government.  Ergo, opposing government funding of abortion is tantamount to supporting the prohibition of abortion in the land.  This deceit has numerous attendant corollaries in the liberal mind that range from specific notions such as ‘opposing women’s healthcare’ to conducting a general ‘war on women’.

Regarding PP, she launches into the deceptive reprise of the organization’s “services” of which 97% are claimed not related to the abortion event (service) itself.  This argument will serve to convince the intellectually compressed and gruberized of the land that an equivalent fraction of PP’s private and public funding is so apportioned, thereby guaranteeing that no federal monies are used to fund abortions per se.  The more informed reader is instantly jolted by this claim when he considers that PP's performing over 330,000 (or 40% of the annual total) abortions in a clinically standard-of-care environment is expensive (consider the insurance alone), and must consume the lion’s share of the PP budget.  And since PP's received income is fungible, federal dollars do indeed fund abortions in their clinics.

The aboveboard solution for PP is simple.  Calve off another organization, say, ‘Planned Abortions Unlimited’, that does nothing but provide clinically safe abortions.  PAU would operate as a charity and be funded only by private sector donations already claimed to fund that service – no government monies will cross its threshold.  Then PAU could abort to its heart’s content and ‘sell’ or otherwise make available body parts galore for research or whatever legal purposes are allowed for such ‘fetal tissues’.

PP itself would then remain pristine of all the guts and gore, and continue to provide all the other women’s health services to which it lays claim.  But methinks the progressives know that such an arrangement would not fly financially; there is not enough charitable funding in America to provide for aborting healthy humans gestating in healthy yet careless women.  However, I do believe that sufficient charitable funding would be available for aborting certain limited categories of women that involve health issues with the mother-to-be and/or the life inside her.  Such abortion clinics could then be run like any other privately funded secular humanist charity.

But the Left, led locally by Ms D’Urso, does not want to recognize the fundamental tenet of our republic’s governance – that government should not fund extra- and/or un-constitutional activities which are repulsive to a large fraction of its citizen taxpayers.  For the likes of D’Urso such funding programs are the sum and stuff of using other people's money to buy votes from the ill-informed and uninformable.  And we all know that it works.

[16aug15 update]  True to form and wholly expected, the comment stream below is replete with liberal histrionics that derive from the primal principle of progressives – (from above) “something that government does not pay for is then considered to be prohibited, censored, proscribed, etc by that same government.”  Their uninformed anguish is real, they sincerely believe that if Planned Parenthood ceases to receive government funding, then women across the land will again be forced to auto-abort with coat hangers, and in the interval have nowhere to turn for other health services they need.  In reality there is no basis for that hysteria.  There are solutions to modifying PP as I outlined above, but more importantly the country is populated with abundant private abortion clinics which perform the service for free or a fee.  And other women’s health services not offering abortions abound.  Here are three right here in Nevada County.

-        Western Sierra Medical Clinic, 844 Old Tunnel Rd, GV; 530-274-9762

-        Sierra Family Medical Clinic, 15301 Tyler-Foote Rd, NC; 530-292-3478

-        Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital, GV; Barbara Schmidt Millar Memorial Fund, a 501c3, and other charities provide the hospital funds for women’s health services including mammograms.

Finally, the feds themselves now promise to provide women’s health services through Obamacare’s expansion of Medicaid (here MediCal) as another alternative to PP.

Meanwhile, I’m told by correspondents, that certain local leftwing cretins’ reading of the above piece has raised their ire sufficiently to call me and conservative RR readers “misogynists” for daring to suggest that abortion is not universally embraced in America, and that such procedures should not be funded by government because of their extra-constitutionality and opposition by a large fraction of Americans.  For those who may have forgotten, misogynist is “a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.”

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119 responses to “Liberally Liberal Abortions Revisited (updated 16aug15)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BillT, these libs will never answer a direct question about this. Look at that buffoon Frisch’s “answers”. What a crock. He has said he never had kids so what does he know anyway. Also, it appears he has no ethics and is always lying. I proved that back a ways up this thread. So anyone who engages the idiot from Truckee does so at his own risk. He is simply a total liar about any issue here.

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  2. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Seems like I answered a direct question from Bill.
    Seems like I answered a direct question from you about Jon’s 28% figure as well, and used your preferred source to prove you wrong.
    Seems we have caught you in a number of lies over the years Todd.
    “I don’t give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it’s Hell.”

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You ask a lot of questions bill but let me ask you this what does “our country” have to do with a person’s personal choice to have an abortion ? There are many choices that people make in their lives that others would think were immoral largely depending on their religious persuasion What’s the Republicans would like to do would be make abortion illegal at conception Why not take it one step further and make sex outside of marriage illegal I just won’t get to the root of the problem

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I’m relying on voice recognition Should have read just to get to the root of the problem

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George for the record are you supportive of the Republican platform on abortion that I cited above

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 359pm – Give me a link to what you consider the Republican position on abortion, and I’ll respond.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    http://www.republicanviews.org/about/
    This is my source. It is consistent with what I recall as the Republican platform Correct me if I’m wrong on this

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    OK Paul Emery, here is the current RNC platform. Please tell us where it says anything like what you say it says. When you find it tell us all exactly where in the document you find it.
    https://gop.com/platform/

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, who is behind “republicanviews.org? Is it normal for you to rely on anonymous sources for editorial content?

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul, I am not trying to get to the source of the problem. I am looking for one’s attitude about abortion in general. I asked Steve a non trick question because I knew he would take the time to answer his view. My question does not try to get at the source of “the problem”, any solutions, nor if one answers “yes” or “no”, there is no hammer waiting behind my back to smash ya with.
    Paul, just to get beyond the finger pointing, I will concede any point you raise. If you want to say Republicans are the party of anti-anpbortion I will say sure. If you say the left are the defenders of reproductive rights, I will say sure just to get beyond it.
    To answer your question Paul, my question posed has absolutely nothing to do with getting to any root of any problem nor has anything to do with a person’s choice. Perhaps I should have struck “our country” from my quest to uncover anyone’s attitude concerning abortion. Pssss, there are no wrong answers to this question, no right answers. Again, do you feel abortion in and of itself is good or bad? Nothing to do with what another feels, thinks, believes. What do you think? It’s ok to avoid the question. Fine with me. Just seeking attitudes. moral or immoral or amoral? Situational ethics is not what I am asking. Relative morality is not the question. A simple big picture attitude is the question, not the nuts and bolts.

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  11. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
    3 in 10 American women have an abortion by age 45.
    Todd, you are certifiably stupid if you contend its .28%. Did you graduate from college?

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  12. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Bill T – you are asking bad things. How can you expect a lefty to get down to brass tacks and go over such topics as how they personally feel about something like abortion. They know perfectly well an abortion kills an innocent human life. That is medical fact. Sadly, such a procedure is sometimes, but very rarely, necessary.
    You are only going to get a boiler plate, cut and paste monotone such as Steven F’s 11:44 statement implying that a fetus has a plastic thingie in it’s belly that pops out at precisely 3 months indicating personhood somewhat like a Thanksgiving turkey, or a lunatic rant accusing anyone who doesn’t agree with with the PP party line of hating all women.

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  13. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Jon | 16 August 2015 at 06:56 PM
    Yeah I made that point earlier today and all I can think of is to paraphrase Quint from Jaws so the Toddster can understand it, ” …..Well it proves one thing, Mr. Juvianll. It proves that you wealthy good old boys don’t have the character to admit when you’re wrong.”

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  14. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Sorry – at 6 months, apparently.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Read it again you two are too stupid I guess to understand what it says. That was for the troll from Truckee and the “jon”. Jeeze do you guys have anything in your noggins?

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Actually the chart says North America in 2008 had 17 abortions per 1,000 women. Tell us what that percentage is “jon” LOL!
    https://www.guttmacher.org/graphics/2012/01/17/AWW-table.gif

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oops, that was 19 per 1,000.

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  18. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Regarding Todd’s observations of the Fair, passing the Republican and Jefferson political booths today, it looked like a Grumpy Old Men reunion with the old men milling about. No one under 50-55 and no women in sight. Same with Tea People over by the main entrance. At least they looked more engaged and active. The Dem booth actually was in a much better location for general foot traffic. I actually saw a woman, under 40, there talking to the attendees. 99% of Fair attendees could not care less about political booths.

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  19. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Sad that Todd doesn’t understand basic statistical methods. There are a couple basic terms for you to research Todd- SNAPSHOT and CUMULATIVE.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Syeve Frisch, I heard the management informed the Treat Street booths you were coming so they could hide the food.
    Regarding the Fair and the booths. These people are the ones that saved your sorry lefist ass and you should go kiss theirs you ingrate. While you were Schlepping your way through government schools they were taking fire. You are really a cartoon Steve Frisch.
    I worked the booth Friday and Saturday 7-10 PM. I registered many young people, some for the first time and some never involved before. We were very busy. They said to me thank GOD Obama the job killer and his democrat socialist thieves were going to get the butts kicked.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The position that I quoted was from the 2012 Republican convention Which is still the platform until changed at the 2016 convention Here’s a link from FOXNews that verifies my statement
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/28/gop-oks-platform-barring-abortions-gay-marriage/

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jon | 16 August 2015 at 09:25 PM
    Oops, my last post was for “JON”. Sorry Frisch I’ll get to you later.
    “Jon” as usual you did not look at the link I pasted which blows your opinion to smithereens. You can make it up all you want but facts are facts. You are simply a ignorant bloviator. And very easy to defeat as you are unarmed in this debate. You have no clue about how to read a statistic.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 16 August 2015 at 09:33 PM
    Are you daft? I gave you the link to the RNC Platform for goodness sakes. It is in affect and all your BS is ridiculous. Go read it and stop your propaganda.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd if you would have followed the link I sent you what I found this
    “The party states that “the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.” It opposes using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or to fund organizations that perform or advocate abortions. It says the party will not fund or subsidize health care that includes abortion coverage.”
    Do you support this position ?

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, go read the actual platform. I could care less what you linked to it is not the platform. You are afraid to go read it aren’t you?

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My, my. The Donald teaming up with The Body for a good ole fashioned body slam of the left? Should make our millions of PP supporters happy. Both are more in line with PP than the average RHINO. Yep, fasten those seat belts kiddies and enjoy the ride.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/jesse-ventura-donald-trump-vice-president-possible-pick-121294.html

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  27. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 16 August 2015 at 09:26 PM
    That’s fine Todd, you are free to get in your juvenile digs about people’s weight proving once again that you have the intellect of an adolescent boy. It doesn’t really affect me at all and just makes you look even stupider.
    But what really makes you look stupid is that you can not do basic research and understand statistical analysis, as both Jon and I have proved now, and that you comment on Paul’s links without actually reading them.
    The mark of a truly stupid man is that he talks first and reads and asks questions second. You prove that every day.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Steve Frisch 8:08 AM
    LOL! I would suggest you wrote this for yourself
    “The mark of a truly stupid man is that he talks first and reads and asks questions second. You prove that every day.”
    You are the laughingstock of the county and your constant lashing out at us who have your number simply proves it. My goodness, we give you links and charts prepared by experts that show your “made-up” facts are bogus and you get you panties in a wad.
    When you are able to really read and understand the information I supply then we can have a discussion. But you seem unable to even add up 2 plus 2. Amazing!

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  29. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The ‘jon’ – so what time was it you supposedly went by our booth yesterday?

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Stephen
    Todd lives totally in the world of his own creation. He even denies the Republican 2012 platform on abortion exists even after I’ve given him numerous links to show what it was He must be embarrassed about it or something. He certainly refuses to defend it meaning he must be a supporter of a woman’s right to choose That’s good news actually and I applaud Todd for supporting women in this matter

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, why don’t you go read the Platform? I have given you the link numerous times. Lazy are you?
    Yes, I have a wonderful life I have made over my lifetime Paul Emery. Glad you noticed.

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Steven Frisch | 17 August 2015 at 08:08 AM
    One more thing. You call people stupid a lot. That means you think their brains are less significant than yours. Fortunately, you cannot see the brain of those you denigrate but fortunately for us we can see your obesity. Get it?

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Tub platform I quoted was the last presidential election Do you or do you not support that platform ?’

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Sorry for the typo

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Read the present platform. Find the sentences you disagree with and paste them here. Then tell us if you agree or disagree Paul Emery. And yes I support the Constitution passed in 1787.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Your guy Gov Walker supports a woman’s right to choose up to 20 weeks. Do you agree with that?
    I’m happy to see the Repub platform no longer includes the language I cited from 2012. Let’s see if that position holds up through the election.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul, tub platform? Yes, we all accept your apology without hesitation. That is a given considering you are using (or blaming) voice recognition. :). Must have been a slip of the tongue.
    But, let’s address the “bigger” picture, shall we. I feel any references to a lard ass or fatso is strictly and exclusively limited to solely one person of color, that color being purple. The rest of you are off limits to fat jokes because you are all part of my one “big” disfunctional family. Only sane one here is Fish, and even he don’t even live here. Our imported honorary family member, if you will. Oh, Walt is fairly sane and stable. So, Mr. Frisch, if you are carrying a few extra pounds of ugly fat, cut cut off your head. Nah, just kidding. I have never referred to anyone’s height, weight, width, or length here except Barney The Purple Dinosaur. It’s a non-issue within the family. That even includes little jon, little joey k, and our own former Golden Gloves boxer, Mr. Harry Reid….er…Mr. Paul Emery! Now, let’s give it up for all the little people out there…Opps, sorry.
    Todd, no fat jokes directed at anybody except the unnamed one. Thanks, big guy.

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, I’d be horn diddled. Finally, Paul is most happy. About time. I listen to Paul on occasion when he is spinning and yapping behind the mic and he even sounds happier in his natural setting. Pleasant guy when he is the voice emitting through the airwaves. Good to see him happy for once over here. A red letter day no doubt. Except for one teenie weenie fly in the ointment, Paul would be very happy.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/714611795339527/?type=1&theater

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Funny how Paul Emery wants all of us to take a position on PP yet he won’t tell us his on abortionists taking the baby and parting it out just like a car. Why is that?

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I never asked you to take a position on PP Todd. I asked your opinion of the Republican platform on abortion in the 2012 election. Since you support Gov Walker I assume you support a womans right to choose for the first 20 weeks, which is his position.
    By the way why not ask Ben Carson about research using “parted out babies” as you put it.
    To quote Carson
    “On the campaign trail in Manchester, New Hampshire, Carson told CNN his research simply used the tissue from aborted fetuses that was made available to him.
    “We have banked material in the pathology lab from people from every age — from day 1 of concept to 120 years told. Those specimens are available for people who want to do comparisons,” Carson said. “To not use the tissue that is in a tissue bank, regardless of where it comes from, would be foolish. Why would anybody not do that?”
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/politics/ben-carson-aborted-fetuses-research/index.html

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I would suggest you not vote for him then Paul Emery. So answer the question. What is your position on parting out baby parts?

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The knowledge gained by stem cell research has saved thousands of lives and will lead to major cures for illnesses in the future. I agree with Dr Carson that ” “To not use the tissue that is in a tissue bank, regardless of where it comes from, would be foolish. Why would anybody not do that?”

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  43. George Rebane Avatar

    Before the gentlemen here get sidetracked again, the point about abortion and PP’s role in it is not the utility of fetal tissue in medical research, but the means, methods, and monies used to get such tissues into the tissue banks. Orthogonal notions and all that, but I know that you can handle it.

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  44. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Josef Mengele ran a number of often fatal experiments on unwilling subjects; how does one ethically use that information? I think by remembering those who were sacrificed and not forgetting or forgiving the evil of their tormentors.
    Much of Mengele’s information was useless as the research was driven by his madness but I recall his data on killing people with cold saved lives after WWII as modern medicine learned much about human hypothermia gathered by Menegele’s evil investigations.
    Use the data but don’t forget or rationalize how it was gathered.

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yours as a supporter of the scientific value of fetal tissue in research how do you propose that material should be obtained ?

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Once again sorry for the typos somehow things come out different than they looked before I made the post

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Should have read “George as a supporter of ………”

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  48. George Boardman Avatar

    Paul, there’s no need to consult the Republican Party platform to gauge sentiment about abortion. Just look at the reaction to Mike Huckabee’s statement that he approved of denying an abortion to an 11-year-old girl who was raped by her stepfather.
    Have any of the other Republican presidential candidates or party officials denounced this statement, suggesting that it goes too far in restricting abortion? Crickets, as they say.

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  49. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1257pm – As I stated in ‘Planned (alternative to) Parenthood’
    Now we know that fetal tissue has been used beneficially for medical research for some decades, so that is not the issue here. Such tissue can be obtained from miscarriages and emergency abortions that sacrifice the child to save the mother’s life. No one is arguing that the use of tissues obtained from these fetal deaths should not be available for beneficial medical research. What we are considering is at what point in the development of a viable human being is it still legal to put it to death without due process. And what is the impact of that on today’s society, especially on the lives of the poor, and where is making abortion cheap and facile taking us as a society?
    Is there evidence that there is a shortage of fetal tissue from the above cited sources, so much so that the needs of medical research must be brought to bear for the more salutary justification of snuffing out healthy human life?

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