101 responses to “Sandbox – 9aug15”

1. 

   Bill Tozer

   11 August 2015

   Oh Don, it’s the best time ever for her to get it out. Nov is the fall of next year. That is an eternity. Let the FBI handle it. They are chomping at the bit to get their reputation since Walking Gun days. Thank goodness Hoover’s boys still have their pride and dignity left after 6 plus years serving dutifully under the Holder Justice department.
   Back to the man made disaster accident in the Colorado Watershed Basin(s). it think I am going to check the origins of my fruits and vegetables this fall. Peruvian fruit ain’t bad on a winter’s day.
   More proof of White SUPREMIST Liberalism. They ran their poison down through tribal lands, on purpose. FBI stands for Full Bloodied Indian down there. Yet another antedotal example of how Whiety Liberalism is out to annihilate the few remaining. Makes me want to go on the warpath, but I probably will just sit here an weep.

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2. 

   Don Bessee

   11 August 2015

   Gee frishy no defense of Hillary? Look how fast and far they fall away from the damaged candidate. lol

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   Steven Frisch

   11 August 2015

   The taxpayer cost to clean up the Leviathan Mine in Alpine County?
   $100 million.
   The value of not having fuc#ed it up in the first place?
   Priceless 🙂
   http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/press_room/press_releases/2015/pr040315_leviathan_settlement.pdf

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4. 

   Steven Frisch

   11 August 2015

   Posted by: Walt | 11 August 2015 at 03:06 PM
   Walt, was this the former Nevada County maintenance yard on West River Street?

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5. 

   Bill Tozer

   11 August 2015

   Steve, why do you defend Red Skin baby killers? The Navajo Nation is more lawyered up than our CA AG is. It’s all your fault. Thought you finally found a wasteland wilderness with no gold or silver to stick the Redman, did you? Well, you done paid for a bunch of them in the early 70’s to get in the doors of Harvard Law, now didn’t you? Oh, the taxpayers are going to have their balls’ squeezed if not turned into snake sand on this unspeakable act.
   Steve, I ain’t saying you gotta get religion and turn injun lubber. But why defend those that bring death to our people???

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   Walt

   11 August 2015

   Steve.. Nope,, Sheriff sub station,,and also,, get this ,,, environmental health.
   Of course this is all water under the bridge, who cares now?,, this was 20 years ago.
   I went into the county some time ago just to see what records were on it. Low and behold, someone had written a phony baloney report on just how much dirt was hauled off. ( in reality,, none.)
   It was cheaper to make it go away than spend close to half a million to clean it up.(if not more back then)

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   Don Bessee

   11 August 2015

   Hillary lawyer turns flash drives over to FBI today and FBI in possession of Hillarys’ hard drives now. Still cant figure out how the vast right wing conspiracy got Hillary to make this epic self destruct move? Paid Anthony Weiner (or gave him the tween chat line and sexting number?) to convince his muslum brotherhood wife Huma to talk Hillary into buying her own server with a big fat red format hard drives button! LOL

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   Steven Frisch

   11 August 2015

   Posted by: Bill Tozer | 11 August 2015 at 05:47 PM
   I don’t even know what that rant means. It is gibberish.
   What I can’t get is why you guys defend the mine owners who were responsible for the contamination in the first place and stuck the good, hard working taxpayers of the USA with the bill.
   Oh, wait, I get it. If destroying the environment makes someone money it is a good thing.

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9. 

   Steven Frisch

   11 August 2015

   Posted by: Walt | 11 August 2015 at 06:27 PM
   Hm..I vaguely remember them doing some remediation work there. I never knew what it was for. Thanks Walt.

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    Walt

    11 August 2015

    What remediation??? All that was done was take a leaking fuel tank out of the ground.
    That whole back drive needed to be dug up and hauled way. Nope,, that didn’t happen.
    The CO. should be held to the same standards they held others to. ” remove till non detect”.
    HELL… The county rigged it so not even prevailing wage was not even in the contract.
    It sure would be nice to get reparations on that plus 20 years of interest.
    As for closed mines, the EPA does a fine job of driving those owners into BK so they don’t have a dime for cleanup.
    Besides. you couldn’t live your life today without mining. From the road you drive on, the house you live in and all the crap in that house, in one way or another came from a “mine”, or some form of extraction. ( Right down to your toothpaste)
    Mining has only made your life longer and better. Deal with it.

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    Bill Tozer

    11 August 2015

    Oh Steve, go ahead and defend the disaster accident as my people perish. Looks like you won’t be invited to the next PowWow. What is it now, two states? Then Mexico. Oh boy, John Kerry will be hopping like a one legged man in a forest fire with a pump action fire extinguisher. Looks like the EPA better find a way to get a new Superfund site lickety split. Go ahead and play dumb. Bet there is some gold in your new mine Great Father in Washington just purchased.

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12. 

    Steven Frisch

    11 August 2015

    Posted by: Walt | 11 August 2015 at 07:16 PM
    First Walt, when I said remediation i actually meant remediation….I remember the back being pretty torn up for a while and i wondered what they were doing I think they may have removed the soil.
    Second, I am not against mining. Why is it always all or nothing with some people. Mining can be done safely.

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13. 

    Walt

    11 August 2015

    Hillary won’t be prosecuted. LIBS just don’t go to jail, and besides. She’s the only chance LIBS have at the White House. ( She’s special)
    With ANY luck, she may wind up in the Clinton Correctional facility. ( They help people escape.)

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14. 

    Todd Juvinall

    11 August 2015

    EPA officials should be prosecuted.

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    Walt

    11 August 2015

    I really don’t think you saw anything Steve. We were in and out of there in two days.
    Any soil removed would have never left the property for months, and covered in black plastic. I worked for that Co. for a year after I pulled that tank, and we never went back.
    Like I said. The pavement patch is the same one I put down, so no one has been back to “remediate” shit.

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16. 

    George Rebane

    11 August 2015

    ToddJ and I attended Congressman LaMalfa’s town hall this afternoon at the GV city council chambers. Todd has a report of it on his Sierra Dragon’s Breath (see ‘Our Links’ upper right panel). My report is today’s update of ‘How the gulf between us widens’.

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17. 

    Bill Tozer

    11 August 2015

    Walt, living proof that your works lasts the test of time.
    Steve, I know how sensitive you are so I will quit pulling your chain. Besides, I don’t want you running to Dr. Rebane and telling on me again.
    Do I personally believe that you just poisoned the fish and wildlife and birds in the sky and lizards and creatures that crawl upon the Earth resting in the shade beneath rocks in two states including the First Nations, and possibly a forgein country inhabited solely by people of color? Well, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say the jury is still out on this one. But, that sure was a bonehead maneuver the EPA did.
    Your argument that the EPA would not have even been there if the miners had 21st technology is like “the EPA didn’t ask to be born.” Or, maybe if the EvIl Mining Company didn’t put the plug in the life raft, then the EPA would not have had a reason to pull it out.
    Steve, you are not the sole defender of the spirits in the rocks and sand and sky that cry out to me, paleface. I heard my ancestors’ blood rise up and shout for Justice. Justice against the perpetrator’s attack on the horned lizard and all things sacred…..justice for what the EPA has done to our land, our soil, our sky, and our way of life, never to return because of the EPA which you defend. Much sorrow lies in my heavy heart because of our Great Father in Washington. Tiawiedtodka on your head.

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18. 

    Bill Tozer

    11 August 2015

    Not Lake Powell! Utah is next.http://news.yahoo.com/video/warnings-toxic-rivers-015440722.html

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    Steven Frisch

    11 August 2015

    Posted by: Walt | 11 August 2015 at 09:38 PM
    Walt, I live 3 blocks from the Sheriff’s substation and pass it every day. Since you have a propensity to 1) exaggeration and 2) assume the worst of your government, I am going to assume au are full of shit.

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20. 

    Don Bessee

    11 August 2015

    The Nevada County Republican Party Booth is ready to rock! We have a double space, right where we were last year, just across from the now Fair Foundation pimped up drinks pavilion. Nice job friends! Come visit and get a balloon for the kids and grand kids. Thanks for all your hard work gang!

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21. 

    Steven Frisch

    11 August 2015

    Bill, I still think your are writing like you are on acid, but it appears the mine was in operation well into the late 20th century. For you, or clearly Todd, to blame the EPA for the pollution left behind by the owners, is ludicrous. I think it simply shows how clearly you guys are perfectly fine with the idea of destroying the commons for private profit at the expense of your neighbors.

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22. 

    Todd Juvinall

    12 August 2015

    Well sure Steve Frisch, we want to destroy our country, one or more pieces at a time so our kids (since you have none you would not understand) are going to be here. Yep, we are just terrible. My goodness you are on too many chili cheese fries and your hate for anything conservative makes you look and sound foolish.
    I put together a meeting a few months ago of mine owners for the Congressman. If your sorry ass had been invited you would have heard from the people who actually are in the business and how they are harassed by your favorite bureaucrats. Disgusting.
    This mine was breached by the government not anyone else. They caused the pollution and now they should be jailed just like they do the citizens. Put that in your non-profit scam and smoke it.

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23. 

    fish

    12 August 2015

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 11 August 2015 at 11:32 PM
    Perhaps I’ve missed it but in the entire thread I’ve yet to see anybody make the claim that they were okay with, “….the idea of destroying the commons for private profit at the expense of your neighbors.”
    You said that the owners of the mine were likely undiscoverable at this point and I suppose we’ll need to take you at your word. The fact remains that this mine was under the supervision of the EPA and an EPA contractor caused this release. Instead of your usual “I like to hold people accountable for their actions” schtick you immediately tried to redirect blame at the “owners” who by your own admission can no longer be found.
    I doubt anyone here has a problem with holding those who profited from the mine accountable. I know I don’t!
    It was entertaining however seeing Mr. Accountability immediately try to deflect blame away from the mines current custodian!

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24. 

    Walt

    12 August 2015

    Proof is in the “patch” Steve, Proof is at the county environmental health. ( tank removal records)
    “Your” county EPA can do no wrong.
    So go take a look right out that back door. Hell I can even spot it from Google Earth.
    OK Mr. “ECO”,, put your money where your mouth is. YOU hold the CO. accountable.
    I will believe it when it shows up in the local rag.

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25. 

    Gregory

    12 August 2015

    Frisch’s double standards are in full flower on the EPA-caused spill, not to mention their lack of actually telling anyone that the river was about to be inundated with a toxic minewater spill, with the Governor only being alerted when the Navajo Nation started screaming to the state a day later.
    The people pointing fingers at the EPA as the culpable party on this one include the governor, the Navajo and the EPA. That Steven Frisch just can’t manage it is telling and I agree with fish, I’ve no problem pointing fingers at past mining practices but beating dead horses has a limited effectiveness. In the case of the sealed off mine, it was apparently sealed in a Federally approved cleanup plan years ago that and the current catastrophe was because the EPA greatly misjudged the water pressures it was about to tap.
    It will take time to sort out the mess and culpabilities but in the meantime, Gina McCarthy has a mess on her hands, both the physical mess and a blow to the concept of EPA Papal Infallibility and her encyclicals on climate change.

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26. 

    fish

    12 August 2015

    Todays offering from “fishs Konspiracy Korner”
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-12/did-epa-intentionally-poison-animas-river-secure-superfund-money
    Maybe we did give all the Superfund money to the attorneys!

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27. 

    Russ

    12 August 2015

    In the 1950s the Defence Department supported the development of an Idaho Cobalt mine. The mine tailings were stored in a side canyon behind a dam, with a tunnel under the tailings to handle any run off in the seasonal creek in the side canyon. Well, there was abnormal rain fall and the tunnel became clogged and flood waters carried the tailings over the top of the dam and into Blackbird Creek, eventually into Panther Creek and the Salmon River. The tailings had a high level of natural occurring arsenic that collected along the banks of Blackbird and Panther Creek. The EPA made the mine owners pay millions for the removal of the arsenic laced tailings along the banks of the two creeks.
    Then, the EPA required the mine owners to install a water processing plant to treat all water coming from the mine tunnels to remove the arsenic and other naturally occurring heavy metals in the discharge water. This water discharge will go on forever, requiring expensive water processing.
    My question is will the EPA now do the same for their action? Will they be required to clean up hundreds of miles of stream banks, removing all traces of arsenic like they required of the Blackbird mine owners?

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28. 

    Todd Juvinall

    12 August 2015

    Yes and we will pay them to do it. We lose either way.

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29. 

    Walt

    12 August 2015

    Yup,, the EPA signs off on a plan, but when that plan goes South, they don’t take any responsability. They just send in the lawyers and make the miners take all the blame.

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30. 

    Walt

    12 August 2015

    Funny,, that mine wasn’t polluting anything until the EPA ” knew best”.

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31. 

    fish

    12 August 2015

    Posted by: Walt | 12 August 2015 at 10:49 AM
    The mine needed remediation Walt that much was clear. As a nation we decided to clean up these problems…..I’m surprised that (and correct me if I’m wrong) a mine last operated in the early 90’s was allowed to sit, in the custody of the EPA, with little preventative long term care let alone actual remediation for 30 + years.
    To me that is as irresponsible as the owners walking away from it in the first place.

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    Walt

    12 August 2015

    Yup, they got right on it. First “study” the problem, then study, the study,, and restudy all the studies. Another set of studies to find a reasonable remediation,, then of course, the probable results of remediation would need to be studied as well, before any action on the first study can be taken. I guess they didn’t study the proper way to deal with it.

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33. 

    Gregory

    12 August 2015

    “Funny,, that mine wasn’t polluting anything until the EPA ” knew best”.”
    Yes it was, Walt. It’s just that the EPA actions turned a manageable drip into a disastrous flood.

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34. 

    Walt

    12 August 2015

    Upon further review,, yes, it had it’s problems. The State was dealing with it, then the EPA just HAD to stick their nose into it. ( They had tax dollars they needed to spend)
    The state didn’t want it on the superfund list, yet the EPA did.
    Well,, they got their wish. It’s all about getting MORE money in the budget.
    Their budget needs to be frozen, and they better decide just which witch hunts in the name of ECO the care to persue. ( like the war on coal?)

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35. 

    Bill Tozer

    12 August 2015

    The EPA has poisoned my people in Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, and has killed our fish, our animals, our Holy Grounds. The hideously yet aptly named Enviromental Protection Assholes unleashed toxic poison on people of color!! They are more racist than Eric Holder. The EPA is the one and ONLY cause of opening the floodgates of death to kill little babies with EPA stored toxins.
    Go ahead, Steve, tell me again who friggin opened the dam. Tell me again exactly WHO send the tidal wave of death down the river? Was it a miner, hmmm?
    Oh, bet they keep their jobs instead of being tried as enemy combatants of the Indian Nations, the USA, and all people. The EPA has shown what we already knew. They are terrorists. You defend the killers of our lands, Steve. You and only you and the EPA defend keeping a lid on this for 24 long damaging hours as the poison YOU dumped into the watershed basin went on its death march.
    I think I will vomit. If I look up the definition of a domestic terrorist, I see your picture under the definition. You are THE killer of life, of creatures, of our water, and our sacred burial grounds. You defend your Great White Fathers in Washington. Eat shit. May the wind always be in your face. The Earth hates you and your blood stained hands, of defender of all things evil.

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36. 

    Bill Tozer

    12 August 2015

    A massive environmental disaster caused by the EPA. Caused by Steve’s mentors. Caused by his Control freaks.

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37. 

    Bill Tozer

    12 August 2015

    An massive Enviromental Diseased bigger than 3 Mile Island caused by White Surpremist Liberalism. Government has scared our land, your land, and my heart. Defend them you wretched spawn of Satan.

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38. 

    fish

    14 August 2015

    I told you that various governments mistakenly use Orwells 1984 as an instruction manual!
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/10c52276-40d8-11e5-b98b-87c7270955cf.html#axzz3inzzr3EQ

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39. 

    Bill Tozer

    14 August 2015

    She’s baaaaaacckk.! And in fine form I must say. Yep, All the hyperventilating over e-mails is coming from The Great Right Wing Conspiracy. Works everytime. Of course, she was rousing up the dignities at the Democrat Wing Ding in some tiny farm state. Think they meant Democrat Wingnuts. Must be a misprint.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/14/hillary-clinton-in-warrior-mode-in-iowa-dismissing-e-mail-controversy-as-partisan-game/

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40. 

    Don Bessee

    14 August 2015

    UH OH, The same prosecutor who hammered Petreaus (got the spelling right finally) on less in a real sense is on Hillarys ass now. Stop that, no pantsuit jokes please.

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41. 

    Joe Koyote

    15 August 2015

    No one seems to mention that the super fund tax was allowed to expire by the republican controlled congress in 1995 and now all superfund clean up money comes directly from taxpayers rather than polluters. Typical republican governmental policy, let the corporate polluters off the hook and let taxpayers foot the bill. Then blame government for doing a lousy job.

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42. 

    Todd Juvinall

    15 August 2015

    That’s right JoeK. Those democrat corporatist polluters need to be reigned in.

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43. 

    fish

    15 August 2015

    Posted by: Joe Koyote | 15 August 2015 at 10:46 AM
    I know it’s anathema to those of your inclination JoKe but a tax doesn’t need to go on forever. The Superfund levies were supposed to address the sins of the past and the RCRA hazardous waste regs were to address industrial waste activities going forward. Superfund very rapidly became the “Enrich the Environment Attorneys” act and much of the money was litigated away. So you got that going for you….which is nice!
    Is this an admission that government solutions are really designed to never fix a problem but to milk money sources forever?
    See you tomorrow with your answer!

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44. 

    Todd Juvinall

    15 August 2015

    I recall not long ago the Congress passed the cancellation of a telphone tax to fund the Spanish American War. Took a hundred years but those wascally R’s did it!

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45. 

    fish

    15 August 2015

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 15 August 2015 at 11:18 AM
    I recall not long ago the Congress passed the cancellation of a telphone tax to fund the Spanish American War.
    HATERZ!!!!!ELEVENTY!! Just another example of Republican “War on Women” stuff!

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46. 

    Scott Obermuller

    15 August 2015

    For anyone who doubts that Shrillery will be elected as our next pres –
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11804972/Hillary-Clinton-laughs-off-emailgate-as-she-plays-down-drop-in-polls.html
    Best line: “Yes, Mr Trump says outrageous and hateful things about immigrants but how many of the other candidates disagree with him?”
    Actually, The Donald didn’t say anything about ‘immigrants’ but what’s another lie for a professional liar?
    The crowd roars. America loves her. She’s ‘spunky’.
    Get ready for another Clinton in the White House.
    Of course, there is always the problem of ‘sh**
    happens’. And it’s possible with any candidate.
    Given that we all know she’s a crook and a liar and still has the ratings she enjoys, I give her a good 80 to 90 percent chance at winning the election.
    She has name recognition, she would be the first optionally female pres, she is good at handing out other peoples’ money and she has a lot of big money from wealthy govt money suckers backing her.

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47. 

    Bill Tozer

    15 August 2015

    My goodness, what will she think of next?
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/715595388574501/?type=1&theater

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48. 

    Russ

    17 August 2015

    Steven Frisch: Call Your Office, Green Jobs Failing
    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Three years after California voters passed a ballot measure to raise taxes on corporations and generate clean energy jobs by funding energy-efficiency projects in schools, barely one-tenth of the promised jobs have been created, and the state has no comprehensive list to show how much work has been done or how much energy has been saved.
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150817/us-green-energy-promises-9d6a0af60a.html

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49. 

    Gregory

    19 August 2015

    Here’s an interesting take on “critical thinking”, a cause célèbre of modern educators… worth reading, probably worth its own post:
    http://www.newsweek.com/youre-100-percent-wrong-about-critical-thinking-362334
    In short, it’s hot air. In order to be a “critical thinker” you damned well have managed to learned and retained a lot of knowledge. If you don’t know nuttin, you ain’t gonna be able to think critically about it.

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50. 

    George Rebane

    19 August 2015

    Gregory 233pm – Agreed. Do you want to pen your own byline and email it to me?

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