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George Rebane

[This is the transcript of my regular KVMR commentary aired on 29 July 2015.  Later – a slightly edited version of this piece was published in 7aug15 issue of The Union and on its website here.]

By now we have all seen the videos of Planned Parenthood physicians at lunch enjoyably selling their wares into an apparently lively market of fetal body parts.  The casual abandon evident in those conversations was one upped by the most recent release of a video made in a body parts lab where the staff displayed sampled remains of tiny humans ready for shipment (see nearby photo).  Whether you’re for or against abortion, the new revelations of these dealings in purposely killed human flesh gives most of us pause, and perhaps asks us to re-examine what kind of industry have we created, and where such obviously callous treatment of human life can take us.  First some background.

FetalTissueAccording to the Centers for Disease Control and the National Institutes of Health over 860,000 abortions are performed annually in the US.  Over 330,000, or almost 40%, of these are performed in Planned Parenthood clinics.  Never mind that they claim these abortions make up only 3% of their “services”, because of the way a ‘service’ is defined the real scope of the organization’s abortion factory is hidden from the casual reader.  Another way to size the problem is to consider that more than one out of six pregnancies in America terminate in an abortion.

What, you ask, is really being aborted?  We can all acknowledge that it is a pre-born human being who at 25 weeks into gestation has more than a 50-50 chance of surviving birth and growing into a normal adult.  And by law, such premature infants are guaranteed the care they need to survive.  Nevertheless, until 2003 Planned Parenthood and other private abortion clinics regularly performed partial birth abortions in which a viable baby was killed by mangling its brain with scissors or snipping its spinal cord while any part of it remained in the birth canal.  Today it is still possible to kill a viable human in the same manner through an intra-uterine procedure – in short, you can circumvent the law by doing the deed before any legally defined components of the child are sticking out.  Within these considerations it is up to each of us to define at what point in the gestation cycle, including the baby’s birth, does ‘fetal tissue’ become a human being.

Now we know that fetal tissue has been used beneficially for medical research for some decades, so that is not the issue here.  Such tissue can be obtained from miscarriages and emergency abortions that sacrifice the child to save the mother’s life.  No one is arguing that the use of tissues obtained from these fetal deaths should not be available for beneficial medical research.  What we are considering is at what point in the development of a viable human being is it still legal to put it to death without due process.  And what is the impact of that on today’s society, especially on the lives of the poor, and where is making abortion cheap and facile taking us as a society?

Today the careful crunching of babies is legal, and strongly motivated by both the profit motive and an encompassing government that seeks to inject itself into the most intimate parts of our lives.  It is easy to see how profit motivates, but understanding government’s involvement requires digging a bit deeper.  First, let’s dispense with notions like ‘Black lives matter’ – given the overwhelming murder of blacks by blacks, and that the share of abortions performed on poor black women, we know that black lives matter only in the rare cases when there are non-blacks involved in the death of a post-partum African-American.  And in those cases it is obvious that another agenda is being promoted wherein such deaths, no matter their legitimacy, serve a useful purpose.

So where are we going as we demand that government pay for more and more of our daily upkeep?  The more it does that, the more government claims a right to make decisions for the common good at the cost of denying the claims of any individual.  How long until a subsequently diagnosed three-week old baby is put to death in order to save society the enormous cost of subsidizing its lifelong care, and spare its family the burden of giving such care?  So for the common good, does it not serve a more noble purpose for Planned Parenthood to determine where best to crunch such infants so that their short lives can be of greatest benefit to us all?

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[We close with a H/T to reader for alerting me to Ramirez whose cartoons say so much in so little space.]

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  1. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    I stopped listening to KVMR a few years ago when one of their announcers followed up a syndicated story concerning Mother’s Day with the statement that she loves her mother despite the fact that she votes Republican. This evening after George’s commentary aired the announcer followed up the closing disclaimer with statements indicating that he doesn’t share George’s views and expressing his admiration of Planned Parenthood. It was pathetically amateur and the contrast with George’s well considered and supported views was striking.

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  2. Russ Avatar

    AP: LOS ANGELES – A temporary restraining order has been issued preventing an anti-abortion group from releasing any video of leaders of a California company that provides fetal tissue to researchers. The group is the same one that previously shot viral covert video of a Planned Parenthood leader discussing the sale of aborted fetuses for research.
    The Los Angeles Superior Court order issued Tuesday prohibits the Center for Medical Progress from releasing any video of three high-ranking StemExpress officials taken at a restaurant in May. It appears to be the first legal action prohibiting the release of a video from the organization.

    The truth is really hard for the left to deal with when the facts are so stark.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Russ 703pm – Russ, such restraining orders are always issued to serve some beneficial social purpose. What was the stated reason for issuing this restraining order?

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  4. Russ Avatar

    George@07:07PM
    Here is the link to the AP story.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/29/restraining-order-issued-against-anti-abortion-group-video/
    It is now clear to me what the legal reason, however according to this story there are nine more videos to be dribbled out, drip, drip, drip. The injunction maybe to stop the drip, drip. . . of horrific images.
    WASHINGTON — David Daleiden, founder of the Center For Medical Progress (CMP), told conservative talk radio host Sean Hannity Tuesday there are nine more sting-operation videos that reveal Planned Parenthood’s operations.
    “We have close to 300 hours total of undercover video that was gathered during a 30 month long in depth investigative journalism study of how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of the babies they abort,” Daleiden said, noting that each highlight video released will have the full footage posted on their website without any edits.
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/29/nine-more-undercover-videos-ready-to-drop-on-planned-parenthood/#ixzz3hL9w3asL

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  5. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    California is a two party consent to record phone calls state. There is no expectation of privacy in public places per SCOTUS for recording purposes. The temp order is only until the hearing (long time now with the court budget issues, we can talk about that) its in mid Aug. There is an argument that some of the recordings were not in a public place and could have tripped over the voice recording clause. These rules vary widely across the country. I saw an article that had 11 of these videos in the wings from across the country and the CA case is for I believe 3 of those. The drip, drip, drip of the truth will go on with our without the CA case. Guess the progressives care more for a tourist attraction critter than the what, hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands of these poor kids?

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  6. Walt Avatar

    And wouldn’t you know it,, from sleepy little Placerville of all places.

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane. During my current transitional phase, I have been listening to more and more KVMR lately and caught your on air commentary. Your voice does not match your picture, but I digress. Took a lot of huevos rancheros to say what you felt in Nevada City of all places.
    The thing that struck me most was you saying that Planned Parenthood claims only 3% of its budget goes to abortions. I was stuck by that because 1) if only 3% of their budget goes for killing the fetuses, then they must pass out boat loads of free condemns or else they are running the operation with one heck of a bloated overhead. 2) If only 3% of Planned Parenthood’s budget goes to sucking the brains out of fetuses with ten fingers and ten toes and a heartbeat, then why all this gloom and doom if somebody proposes nipping their budget around the edges. They cry foul and always say we are going back to the dark alley days and poor women won’t be able to get their fetus’s spinal cord snipped and the parts sold to the highest bidder. At least ISIS doesn’t sell the heads rolling on the ground. Maybe they play soccer with the severed heads, but they aren’t in it for the money like PP is.
    Wonder what kind of post abortion grief counseling they offer? Lord only knows how many women take that guilt to the grave with them. Never a happy dance leaving the clinic, only remorse. Please exit to your right. Next patient please.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 922pm – Mr Tozer, I said nothing of PP’s budget, but only of its claimed ‘services’ which are stated at 3% of those offered. A service may be counted as an office visit during which counseling is offered, or even perhaps more than one service during a visit if multiple functions are performed or people are seen. In that manner, the abortion itself can be counted as simply one service. But you can bet the ranch that considerably more than 3% of their budget goes to abortions since that is by far the most expensive clinical service offered.

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “However my views are not shared by KVMR.” Understatement of the century, my good doc.
    Opps, just caught your response. I was driving up an old bumpy dirt and rock road when you came on. I just read the written word you penned and yes, it clearly states “services”, not budget. I was 100% wrong. No excuses.
    Ok, what consists of the other 97% of the services offered? Cake walks and bake sales?And, to be honest as you briefly touched, Planned Abortion in the Hood does indeed offer a service that is disaportionaly targeted..er..used by our Black sisters and Latino sisters, especially in New York, New England, and wherever people of color congregate. Kind of similar to profiling. Next time I hear Younger Emery decry a disaportionate number of persons of color are incarcerated or subjected to Stop and Frisk or his long long lists of grievances along those lines, I will sadly point out the disaportionate murdering of Black unborn children. Where is the social justice? Have we no heart? Or, just let it ride. The topic is not for the squeamish.
    Sadly, this should not be a political issue. We witness daily the devaluation of life via gangbangers, random acts of violence, etc as evidenced by your post “Do we invite carnage?” The answer is yes. But video games designers and Planned Parenthood have found a way to profit from it all. Anyone care to buy a house in Detriot for 500 bucks and move in for a month or rent a crash pad in Chicago for a couple of weeks? You will witness the sum total of many things, with the devaluation of the human life in the forefront.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Looks like the usual suspects from the left have nothing to say.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    The Left is sure warped. Defend the practice of snuffing innocent life,(and selling off the parts) yet fight tooth and nail to keep murderous thugs on death row alive. “How inhuman that the chance they might feel the slights discomfort when they get executed.”

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    So much for “less crunchy”.

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  13. Patricia Smith Avatar

    A Catholic Nun summed up the pro-life position perfectly:
    “I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.”
    However, I agree that abortions should happen within the first three or four months of the pregnancy unless problems arise that could jeopardize the life of the mother. Just like Dr. R, I have no problem with selling fetal tissue that could improve the quality of life for a living human being. It’s no different than using body parts from a person who is dying.

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  14. TheMikeyMcD Avatar
    TheMikeyMcD

    I sincerely pray that God does not judge me for paying taxes to a government that encourages, funds and enables murder (abortion at any stage; with or without ‘compensation’, war, etc).
    I am thankful for Rebane’s courage.

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  15. Michael R. Kest Avatar
    Michael R. Kest

    Patricia Smith 30July15 03:54 PM
    I’d agree with your anonymous Catholic Nun if government, i.e. taxes, was the only way to provide food, education, and housing for children.
    Organs harvested from the dead (Did you really mean “dying”?) are donated rather than sold and that Planned Parenthood is selling fetal organs is at the heart of the controversy.

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  16. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed.”
    Who are these supposed folks?
    Who is ‘you’? Names? Examples?
    Must be flesh and blood – no straw men will be allowed.
    I see that P. Smith thinks it’s okie dokie to kill an innocent human at 4 months of age.
    Why not later? What’s the difference?

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  17. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Unfortunately, this is the early stage on the calloused path to kill all unwanted people in the future that has happened in other countries in the past. Germany, Russia, China….creating a chosen race, getting rid of political enemies…or only keeping the most productive slaves……whatever reason the rulers decide. It’s disgusting and a frightening tyrannical road to take…much like those teenagers killing other teens just to experience what it feels like to kill someone. Someone else’s life doesn’t mean anything.

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  18. Patricia Smith Avatar

    You, Scott, among others seem to fit that description. You bitch about gov’t entitlements for the poor continuously. So there is one example assuming you are not a straw man. Abortion is the last result of PP. They offer education, birth control, and healthcare for women (all of which most conservatives in Congress oppose). I think you guys have something against sex!
    The difference in aborting a 3 or 4 month old fetus is that it can’t survive on its own so it is not yet a viable human being. It’s OK if you don’t support abortion. Just don’t have one, but don’t emulate the dreaded “gov’t” by telling us what we can do because you don’t like it.
    You guys crack me up with your name names – like you ever do anything but generalize that all liberals think alike.

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    You guys crack me up with your name names – like you ever do anything but generalize that all liberals think alike.
    It’s a huge time saver Patricia. Like leftys who call anyone who doesn’t like Obamas policies a racist,

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Patricia Smith | 30 July 2015 at 07:12 PM
    You, Scott, among others seem to fit that description. You bitch about gov’t entitlements for the poor continuously.

    Damn right……just like Imperial Grand Wizard Greenspan has commanded us to do!
    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/29/alan-greenspan-this-is-extremely-dangerous.html

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  21. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “You, Scott, among others seem to fit that description.”
    Oh really – could you please provide us all with some sort of evidence that I have ever advocated:
    “…not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed.”
    “I think you guys have something against sex!”
    you’re getting desperate, Patricia, please stick to the topic.
    “The difference in aborting a 3 or 4 month old fetus is that it can’t survive on its own so it is not yet a viable human being.”
    Children can’t survive on their own for a least a decade or 2. With Democrats, it seems to be never, but I digress.
    There are people in the hospital that need intensive medical care or they will die. Are they disposable?
    All humans in the womb are ‘viable’ unless something goes drastically wrong. Once the double helix is formed, it’s a human life. That’s science. I’m curious as to why some people believe that it’s OK to destroy that life based on how long it’s been alive.
    “…but don’t emulate the dreaded “gov’t” by telling us what we can do because you don’t like it.”
    The primary purpose of any govt is to protect innocent human life. Ensuring our rights as citizens is worthless if we’re dead. You are free to ‘do’ whatever you want, but you have no right to make me pay for it and you have no right to ‘do in’ another innocent human being.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    PatriciaS 712pm – “Abortion is the last result of PP.” Unfortunately the truth is that abortion is the FIRST job of PP. 1) As the nation’s largest abortion provider, they perform 40% of all abortions; 2) Their abortion services are the most costly item in their budget; 3) ALL the other services they perform for women are also provided by numerous other charitable organizations that don’t offer abortions. A local one is the Living Well Medical Clinic at 105 Catherine Lane, Grass Valley (530-272-6800).

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “You, Scott, among others seem to fit that description. You bitch about gov’t entitlements for the poor continuously.”
    Patricia, like you ever do anything but generalize that all non-liberals think alike.
    Just wait for the waves of Democrat retirees getting pissed when Social Security, Mediscare and public employee pensions get adjusted downwards. Non Democrats will also be pissed but they’re expecting it. What can’t go on forever, won’t.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    You can see the venom of the left in the panels discussing PP and abortion. What has always fascinated me about the argument is WHERE is DADDY! GOD gave the woman the vessel to carry the new life and that life would not be there if there was not a “donor”. Why has the man been left out of the decision?
    Patricia and her pals have had their way all these years and do their best to denigrate and minimize those who disagree. Yet here we are. We all get to see the ogres and ghouls of the left do their dirty work. Selling bits and pieces of a living creature whose only goal is to live. Boris Karloff movies are now reality!

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  25. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    OK, folks – another example of the left’s refusal to have an intelligent discussion. I posed some straight forward points and questions to be responded to by the fearless standard bearers of the leftward sort.
    Patricia responded with baseless insults.
    She did try to respond to one question I had, but resorted to a manufactured talking point that provided no information as to the issue at hand.
    The head of PP has characterized the criticism of PP as: “These attacks are not about us. They are about the ability of women across the country to access health care. Period.”
    Yes – that’s right. It’s all about denying all women in the US access to any kind of health care.
    They have run out of room to run. They are cornered and have no facts or reason. So it’s down to personal insults, obfuscation and misdirection.

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    ScottO, I thought ObamaCare was for all. Is the PP leader saying ObamaCare is a failure for women’s healthcare?

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Scott, it’s just a matter of priorities. Duh.
    http://patriotpost.us/posts/36731

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  28. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    I am thrilled that conservatives in Congress are charging ahead with plans to challenge the federal budget approval over the Planned Parenthood videos.
    It really is symptomatic of the mindset of Republicans today that they would seize upon illegally obtained videos, that are heavily edited to deliver an inaccurate representation of the conversations between PP providers and faux journalists, and present them to the public as ‘truth’.
    Voters are pretty smart people and they will, by and large, see through the sham and punish Republicans for using this pretext to once again shut down the government, which they are on the path to doing.
    As more and more information comes out about these videos it pretty clear that they bear no resemblance to journalism, were constructed for a political purpose, to create an issue, that riles up the Republican base. It is yet another example of the Republican leadership seizing upon fiction as a basis for policy and using propaganda to do their bidding, just like they did on health care, they do regularly on climate issues, they once did on tobacco, and they do regularly on immigration.
    For the vast majority of relatively independent minded voters in America, particularly younger voters who are disgusted with the emotionally based rhetoric of politics, it is one more example of Republicans alienation from actual facts.
    More importnat, in an election cycle, Congressional Republicans embracing this issue to play brinksmanship on the budget plays right into the narrative that Republicans are the party of narrow minded obstructionists who do not care about entire groups of people who are key parts of the electorate: women who support choice, middle class Americans struggling to afford health insurance and college, African Americans, and immigrants. It is as though Republicans are taking entire swaths of the electorate and intentionally alienating them in advance of a national election.
    I watch a lot of politics, from Fox to CSPAN, and I wonder if Republicans really realize just how crazy they look to everyday people. From Donald Trump representing the Howard Beale tendency to scream “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more”, to their more moderate wing bowing to the angry rhetoric of Tea Party types, to their tendency to embrace fiction, I wonder how they think they are ever going to win elections in the future when they sign off moderate women, hispanics, African-Americans and the middle class.
    The only group who has not rejected Republican leadership in that list is the white middle class, where Republicans hold a tenuous advantage, but they are not going to stay stupid (or in the majority) forever.
    Oh, I know some of you are going to say abortion is murder and the moral issue is more important than winning elections. Morals should be more important than winning elections. A strong case could be made for the anti-abortion position on moral grounds without jumping on the propaganda bandwagon and resorting to stunts like this. When people who really do have a strong moral case against abortion embrace stunts like this they actually hurt their cause.
    So more power to you guys, do it again, shut down the government, and see how Americans respond.

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 01 August 2015 at 08:02 AM
    I like you better when you step away from the lectern and depart from your prepared remarks!
    Republicans are going the way of the Dodo Steve…..well going the way of Whigs anyway…..hardly surprising with “leaders” like John “Prison Bitch” Boehner and “Timmy the Turtle” McConnell.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Another monster cut/paste from the Truckee lib.

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 802am – So that we may better understand the basis of your joyful report, can you point us to the polls that cause you to conclude that the Republican party is in dire straits? I also wonder why your presidential candidates are so exercised and obviously disturbed by a party that is rapidly self-destructing. If they truly believed that the Republicans were digging themselves into an ever deeper hole, a more corroborating stance for them would be to stand back and let the excavation proceed unperturbed.

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  32. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 01 August 2015 at 10:06 AM
    Please note George, I did not say they are in dire straights across the board.
    They are in dire straights with moderate women, African-Americans, Hispanics, and an increasing percentage of the middle class who are wondering how our country could be leaving the middle class behind.
    I could cite the polls but you could just look them up,
    Women-20 point advantage Dems
    Hispanics–40 point advantage Dems
    African Americans–60 point advantage Dems
    Under 35-25 point advantage Dems

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  33. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 01 August 2015 at 09:36 AM
    Another utterly stupid unsupported comment from the philandering 100 IQ moron with more than 20 court cases in the last 30 years. 🙂

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  34. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Do me favor George, if you cut my reply to Mr. Juvinall cut his original post as well.
    I am wondering how long posters here are going to put up with how worthless Todd’s contribution to an actual discussion is? Don’t you see he never adds anything new or interesting?

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  35. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 01 August 2015 at 10:16 AM
    C’mon Steve….Todd is local “flavor”. I don’t recall seeing you equally incensed about the commenting quality of Curtis “ALL CAPS” Walker over at Pellines?

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 1012am – From the cohorts’ advantages you cite, it should be more than clear that the Republicans are indeed in dire straits across the board. I base this in the understanding that your presented data of the Dems’ “points advantage” means the percentage points ahead of the non-Dems in the categories listed – e.g. for ‘Women’ the 20 point advantage means that 60% of women prefer Democrats to 40% of women who prefer non-Democrats. Correct?
    StevenF 1016am – I’m going to continue letting RR readers decide how worthy other RR readers’ comments are. The litmus test for someone (you?) considering another reader’s comment unworthy is that it will simply be ignored. Acknowledging, no matter how vitriolically or even in a churchillian manner, always reinforces the decried behavior.

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 01 August 2015 at 11:15 AM
    Actually George I rather think that since you acceded to the suggestion to “moderate” that we’ve all been better behaved…..some less so than others at times. The RR commentariat is staying “on task” a bit better these days.
    Give yourselves a round of applause……

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 1122am – Thank you for the kind words. I agree with your observation, and in that sense the “RR commentariat” (I love your label) can applaud itself as we strive for new heights in civil yet uncompromising discourse.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The Republicans will trounce the democrats as people are now seeing how depraved the dems are. Defending the murder of little people only wanting to live and breath by Planned Parenthood is readily defended by the likes of people like Frisch. My good, are libs so bereft of humanity? Apparently so. But when you look at democrats in general, most are like Frisch, they blame others for their shortcomings. Never accept responsibility. Now they counter attack the video! They try and deflect to some other shiny bauble. But we all get to see their lack on humanity and defense of murder. Frisch defending murder of infants ready to breathe is a fine example.
    Looking at Prez candidates. The American people get a potpourri of different people on the Republican side. The democrats get a washed up thief (with numerous facelifts) and a huge security risk, a Socialist/Commie, a failed Maryland Governor and a Reagan democrat. All white people! No, the left is desperate to change the subject just like they always do when a tsunami of defeat is headed their way. Watch out Steve Frisch, the IRS may focus on you instead of the Tea Party after this election.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    On another blog today
    stevefrisch says:
    August 1, 2015 at 11:15 am
    Hmmm…I don’t have kids, but I shudder to think about Herr Meckler teaching our kids to be “radical conservatives.” Fortunately I know that even the efforts of those that seek to be the shaper of children minds fail regularly in the face a broader culture that values diversity and tolerance.
    So this chap that has no kids and apparently has no qualms about the killing of babies and sawing them apart for thie parts, is all concerned the ones that survive his ilk will be taught, GASP! the Constitution.
    You just can’t make this lunacy up!

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  41. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from S Frisch at 8:02 –
    “…that they would seize upon illegally obtained videos,…”
    Oh really – when was there a trial? We all seemed to have missed that Steve. There’s an injunction against further releases, (for now) but the logic of the judge is preposterous. The Pentagon papers were illegally obtained – Snowden’s data was illegally obtained. Did Steve rail against their release based on illegality? Steve has become quite the little lawnorder sort I see.
    “…that are heavily edited to deliver an inaccurate representation of the conversations between PP providers and faux journalists, and present them to the public as ‘truth’.”
    Steve has all of the original video to compare?
    C’mom, Steve – you’ve become a bobble-head parroting talking points.
    The ‘truth’ is that PP is selling body parts. Are you going to deny that?
    “…I wonder how they think they are ever going to win elections in the future when they sign off moderate women, hispanics, African-Americans and the middle class.”
    Actually, there are a lot of R’s that kiss special interest groups’ asses and promise goodies to certain groups out of the public purse.
    The conservatives and R’s you are mad at care more about following the Constitution and keeping our country financially solvent than winning elections.
    How are things going in Greece right now? What groups are hurt the worst? That’s right – the poorest groups.
    And finally
    “Oh, I know some of you are going to say abortion is murder and the moral issue is more important than winning elections.”
    I had stated that abortion kills an innocent human life. I notice that not one proud ‘pro abortionist’ will touch that.
    The fact that PP is killing humans and selling the body parts is a moral outrage.
    Well – for some of us. For others, it’s just something to ignore and hope it will go away.

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  42. Patricia Smith Avatar

    George July 30, 10:21pm PP is a full service health care facility for women, abortions are a small part of their overall services, they don’t use Federal dollars to fund abortions, and it appears the video is a slimy propaganda tool not based in fact (according to Mike pence, a Republican Governor who investigated the charges.
    Gregory, July 30 1:25pm I mention ONE PERSON and you accuse me of saying all non-liberals think alike? Maybe that’s true if there is one one non-liberal in this crowd.

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  43. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Patricia at 6:46 –
    ” I mention ONE PERSON and you accuse me of saying all non-liberals think alike?”
    That would be me, Patricia. And you still haven’t come up with any proof that I don’t want children fed, educated, etc.
    Are baseless insults all you have to work with?
    “…and it appears the video is a slimy propaganda tool not based in fact…”
    So – are you claiming that PP doesn’t sell baby parts?

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    PatriciaS 646pm – No one has claimed that PP does not provide a full spectrum of services to women, especially pregnant ones. But I’m afraid you truly are deluded if you believe performing 40% of the nation’s abortions makes that ‘service’ a small part of their overall services. I notice that you again ignored my previous response (1021pm) to you. Very hard to continue a dialogue like that. Perhaps you should take these numbers up with the CDC and NIH. And it is truly sophomoric to assert that PP doesn’t use fed dollars for abortions – here’s a shock, money is fungible.
    But the bottom line is that PP sells baby parts. No one can claim that PP doesn’t offer this service.

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    Patrica, let’s cut to the chaste. Peddling body parts as one source of income. Not the donated parts or what percent is really what percent of their service. All that stuff is just fluff and window dressing.
    Knew a guy who was breaking into a RX at night. The cops came and even called him by name. He reached back and grabbed his little 22 semi-auto and fired away. Then he reached for another clip tucked in the back out his belt and it gone. He threw up his hands. He said he surrendered when he ran out of bullets.
    Patricia, me thinks you are getting low on bullets. Peddling baby parts or not?

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    Bill, I don’t know the truth behind these claims and neither do you. We only know what we’ve been told by special interests on both sides. The fact is, you can get $3,000 in Pennsylvania for “donating” body parts when you die. How is this different than women donating fetal tissue from an unwanted pregnancy to help others live?
    I care more about the living than the unborn. If that makes me a horrible person in your view, I can live with that. For the record – again – I am against partial birth abortions unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy. The line to adopt these children that might be spared from abortion forms to the the right.
    George, 8:47pm How did I not respond to your post? In PP’s full spectrum of services, abortion accounts for 3% of their overall procedures (hardly their first service offered). They supply birth control and education to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies. The fact that there are so few places left that do perform abortions, makes PP all the more revelant to women – and in many areas, PP is the only place women can get low cost care.

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  47. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Scott, I could go back through all the posts you’ve made and come up with many instances where you (and others on this blog) are against supporting education, food stamps, pre-school care, etc. You just don’t like it when you are called it.

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    Posted by: Patricia Smith | 02 August 2015 at 09:53 AM
    I am against partial birth abortions unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy. The line to adopt these children that might be spared from abortion forms to the the right.

    Then I fail to see why you aren’t profoundly disturbed by the recent Body Part Bazaar revelations surrounding Planned Parenthood as that is precisely what is occurring.

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  49. Bill Tozer Avatar
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    To beat a dead horse, there is a world of difference between donating a living growing unborn child’s body parts…..er, donating “tissue” (to control the language and argument) and selling those parts to the highest bidder without the mother of the “tissue”‘s foreknowledge and consent.
    I won’t change any minds here, especially since there is no “proof”, it never happened or does not happen. Nothing to see here, right Patricia? Well, that plain nips the discussion in the bud.
    I can’t believe that Patricia will not address the selling of Crispy Critters except to say we don’t know or the source is suspect or can’t be trusted or plain ole contempt prior to investigation. Those were weak spitballs you managed to shoot back this lovely morning, Ms. Smith.
    Nice to hear about po folk clinics and all that, but again the topic was avoided. Maybe we can gab about The Worse Call Ever in the last Super Bowl or exchange family Sheepherder’s Stew recipes.
    I know, we can call it “it”, depending of course what the definition of “it” is or “is” is. Not a life, an “it”. Better yet, call “it” tissue or a clump of cells or better yet, revert back to Latin and call it a fetus. Hey, this is fun.
    As I have posted several times, the Latin noun fetus means only one thing: Unborn Child. Kinda like The Undead. I challenge you to find any other issue where we have gone from using the English term to reverting back to its Latin word to control the argument. It ain’t a human life with a 50% chance of having a penis, it’s a fetus! Or, it’s a woman’s body and there is a penis growing in her womb.Get it our of her!!
    Why even bother to call PP’s clients “mothers” since that thing with a heartbeat and human DNA is just a fetus, not an unborn child. If it were anything other than an “it” and was actually a living human being in undeveloped form, then we could call the clients mothers.

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