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Columnists from the national (Victor Davis Hanson) to our local (George Boardman) scene have concluded that Donald Trump may actually be hitting a nerve with voters who are sick and tired of politicians side-stepping and mealy-mouthing important issues like the illegal alien influx and crime, immigration policy, and how to deal with a dangerous and failing Mexico.  VDH writes ‘Donald Trump and the Fed-up Crowd’, a compelling piece that concludes –

To explain the inexplicable rise of Donald Trump is to calibrate the anger of a fed-up crowd that is enjoying the comeuppance of an elite that never pays for the ramifications of its own ideology. The elite media, whose trademark is fad and cant, writes off the fed-up crowd as naïve and susceptible to demagoguery as the contradictory and hypocritical Trump manipulates their anger. In fact, they probably got it backwards. Trump is a transitory vehicle of the fed-up crowd, a current expression of their distaste for both Democratic and Republican politics, but not an end in and of himself. The fed-up crowd is tired of being demagogued to death by progressives, who brag of “working across the aisle” and “bipartisanship” as they ram through agendas with executive orders, court decisions, and public ridicule. So the fed-ups want other conservative candidates to emulate Trump’s verve, energy, eagerness to speak the unspeakable, and no-holds barred Lee Atwater style — without otherwise being Trump.

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Now our own GeorgeB, who habits a world distinctly to the left of VDH, concludes in the print edition of the 27jul15 Union that ‘Trump may be a clown, but he hit a nerve with many Americans’ (inexplicably not yet posted on the paper’s website).  After excoriating The Donald for a number of infractions, behaviors alien to polite if not politically correct society, he doesn’t quite see or at least reveal what American nerves have been hit by the candidate’s indelicacies as Trump tromps through the hustings.  Instead Mr Boardman revisits the long leftwing litany of how bad the US has been about everything ranging from our foreign policy to our handling of illegal aliens.  His summa is that “we created this problem, and we have to solve it eventually.”  Well, no and yes.

Where our columnist does expend some ink is in solving the border security problem.  There he presents a solution that does not include “building a fence at the Mexican border from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico.”  For the interested reader, such a secure piece of national infrastructure would cost less to build than an equivalent length of any interstate highway of the kind that crisscross our nation.  Its subsequent maintenance and patrolling to reduce ingress rates would also cost less than the many alternative more porous solutions offered by the left, including Mr Boardman.

But here it’s also important to note the mental framework from which such interpretations of US culpability and plans forward arise.  Mr Boardman succumbs to the prevalent progressive perspective that our building a more secure border would be the equivalent of erecting something that is “probably no more effective than the Berlin Wall” with all of its concomitant “bad optics.”  He does not seem to understand the restrictive direction of the Berlin Wall, and that it was very effective for the reason it was built – to stop the mass exodus of Germans from east to west.  Its downside arose as a ready symbol reminding the world that governance by communism does require a police state.

And there our columnist doubles down by claiming because of our “checkered history” in handling immigration, “there is an important point to be made about controlling our national borders.  But how do we do that and weed out illegal immigrants (sic) without creating a police state.”  The rationale behind this statement is mind boggling – in the least it indicates a massive confusion about the purpose of walls and fences regarding whether they are to prevent ingress or egress.  Let me expand on the specifics.

First, America undeniably has had the most salutary and beneficent immigration policy in human history.  Only those who subscribe to the ‘America last’ political philosophy would fault our not conducting a policy that was anything but indifferent to our interests, while putting the interests of would-be immigrants above all.  Second, with a secured border it is easy to “weed out” the illegal aliens; they are the ones who are captured after crossing it without permission while violating our laws.  Finally, no one with a three-digit IQ would accuse a sovereign nation-state of being a “police state” simply because it makes its own territory accessible only to people who follow its ingress laws that define the granting of visas and its immigration process (recall, that contrary to illegal entry, immigration involves a two-party agreement).  So Mr Boardman, whose IQ clearly sports the required digits, should have his fears laid to rest about an America with secure borders becoming a police state.

Circling back to Trump and the Republican candidates, my own assessment continues that Trump’s discovery of America’s sensitive nerves about illegal aliens, fiscal policy, foreign policy, wealth creation, welfare, etc does not require rocket science, but merely a level of audacity and courage to say, no matter how indelicately, what millions of Americans have been thinking.  I don’t think he has any chance of becoming the ‘man on the white horse’ of US politics that he thinks he is.  But I believe his continued outrages will put some starch in the spines of the otherwise more mainstream Republicans.  We await how their respective messaging bends toward those issues.

Finally, readers may recall that, while I believe in a more pluralistic political landscape for America, I also believe that any solo third party will by its entry sink the chances of its closest ideological neighbor.  My only fear about The Donald is that he will pull a Ross Perot, and torpedo any one of the many fine and qualified Republican candidates making it to 1600 Pennsylvania.  Were that to be in our future, I would consider running through the streets wailing, ‘Bernie, where is your Socialist Party of America when we really need it?!!’ 

[2aug15 update]  We seldom watch live TV, but always DVR programs for later viewing or not.  Watching Republican candidates being interviewed has been a frustrating experience.  Our vaunted broadcast journalists have all turned to huckstering for the cheap thrills of competitive campaigning, instead of focusing their interviews on the candidates’ positions on issues and plans forward should they become president.  I’ll use Chris Wallace’s Sunday program on Fox News for examples, but you can find equivalent ones on any channel.

Wallace interviewed Ohio’s Governor Kasich and did everything he could to divert the man from talking about his record and positions.  Wallace wanted the focus to be on what Kasich thought about other Republican candidates.  At one point the frustrated question was asked, ‘Well what could any president do?’ in response to Kasich trying to talk about the future.  Kasich was a bit flustered, and missed his opportunity for the correct answer – ‘Chris, a sitting president can do a lot and has a tremendous impact on the condition and direction of the nation.  Look at the disaster Obama has been able to create during his six years at America’s helm, especially in his domestic and foreign policies, the economy, bureaucratic corruption, and extra-constitutional power grabs.  I intend to repair as much of that damage as possible during my tenure in the White House.’

Then former Texas governor Rick Perry was interviewed.  Again, Wallace fought tooth and nail against Perry reminding people of his record as governor and his response to today’s critical issues ranging from the Iran deal to border security.  Instead, our intrepid journalist kept asking Perry questions (my paraphrasing) like, ‘Hey, you really f*^ked up in your 2012 debates.  How do feel about that, and do you think you’ll f*^k up again this time?’, and ‘Trump is really on the rag about you, he’s telling everyone how you’re trying to hide your room temperature IQ behind the glasses (let me play a few clips).  What would you tell him in the upcoming debates?’.

Perry finally took the bait, and gave the viewers what Wallace wanted.  His correct answers would have contained points like,  ‘Trump comes from a background of an autocratic wheeler-dealer businessman.  He admits to not being a debater, but one who issues orders and expects them to be executed without discussion.  Trump really wants to become Commander-in-Chief of America and play the same role from the White House.  But that’s not the way our government with three co-equal branches is supposed to work.’  And another time Perry should have said, ‘Trump’s political beliefs and social policies have been all over the map, and no one knows for sure where they are today.  For example, he may still believe in delivering up single-payer healthcare.  We have to remember that Trump is a former Democrat who today looks as if he’s had a pretty iffy epiphany.’

All this aside, we are looking forward to the best entertainment ever this coming Thursday on Fox News as the first Republican candidates’ debate airs with Trump being the wildcard.  Will he suddenly turn on some statesman like charm (can he?), or will he double down as the loose cannon on a careening deck aiming his motor mouth in directions yet unknown?

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134 responses to “Dump Trump? (updated 2aug15)”

  1. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, you don’t quite understand our electoral system do you? Pease take a few hours to read up on the American Electoral college.
    Our founding fathers intentionally make it hard for the “MASSES” to elect a President. They figured correctly that mindless emotion of “masses” was probably not a good way to sustain a democracy.
    Thanks.

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Walt needs you to educate him on your view of Mass Democracy.

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  3. Russ Avatar

    The Daily Trump
    Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the first issue of your new web home for All Things Trump because, as we say in our slogan, “If Donald’s Not In It, It Never Happened!” (Sort of like that tree falling in the wilderness thing.) We follow the Trump news, so you don’t have to. So if you’re ever feeling a deficit in All Things Trump, you’ll know where to find us. (Also on Twitter, Facebook, and all the ships at sea — especially yachts.)
    And now, off we go. Day One — The Daily Trump:
    DATELINE DALLAS: Mogul to Mogul, Dallas Mavericks owner and cable TV czar Mark Cuban backs Trump. ”He’s a game changer,” says the tycoon who may have even more money than Donald. (Hey, why doesn’t he run?) Cuban added Trump is ”probably the best thing to happen to politics in a long, long time.” The Daily Trump concurs, but asks, why the “probably”?
    DATELINE MANHATTAN (THE SNOBBY PART): Rape! Rape! Clueless Daily Bleat reporter Tim Mak accuses Trump of “violating” wife Ivana before Mak was born as scribe humiliates self on The Kelly File, proving (TRIGGER WARNING!) not all Asians are smart. Ivana joins Cuban in backing Trump. Rolling Stone’s Jann Wenner throws jealous fit, wants phony rape beat back. (Notice we resisted saying “Trumped up,” but we may use it later.)
    There is more here: http://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2015/07/29/the-daily-trump/

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt is correct the “masses” do the electing. They vote and the winner then gets the electoral votes as set up in the Constitution. The SCOTUS changed everything years ago and declared “one man, one vote” will now be come the law. So, the masses go to the polls, and whoever wins the states majority, those electoral votes are designated to the “winner take all” column. A couple of states, well maybe one, apportion those votes as to who wins in a Congressional district. I think California should do that. All states can apportion but for some reason that has not caught on. Hmmm.
    So maybe Walt is on to something.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oh, an I finally got around to reading the Sunday Bee and in the Forum section there was a hitpiece by lamebrain Dana Milbank of the Washington Post trashing g Scott Walker.
    He excoriates the great victory the people of Wisconsin accomplished by tossing the public sector union’s asses out the door. He claims Walker is “deceitful”! Of course Milbank never mentions the trashing of the Capitol Building by the union thugs or the millions of dollars imported to defeat Walker. I sent a TWEET to Milbank telling him is it any wonder you media types are thought of less than car salesmen. Scumbags.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    For the record – the Founders left us a republic which in effect is a staged democracy where some of our representatives in government were to be elected directly by popular vote, and others were to be elected by the popularly elected representatives. Unfortunately this was changed by the 17th Amendment making all of Congress elected democratically by popular vote. I am not fond of governance by a ‘raw democracy’ for all the reasons that historically democracies have committed suicide by transforming themselves into autocracies. I like what the Founders wrote into the Constitution they bequeathed us, and have expanded on these thoughts over the years.
    Maybe it’s time to reopen the debate since today progressives are everywhere pushing for a raw democracy in which the voter franchise is minimized inviting one and all, no matter how uninformed or debilitated, to cast their vote. This surely is the fastest way to achieve their desired end of our being ruled by an autocratic class of elites who know what’s best for us all.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Maybe a new column from you on this?

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  8. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Not a bad idea. Todd and Walt can surely use an education in the Electoral College system of electing a President.

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  9. George Boardman Avatar

    RE: GeorgeR’s 8:06 AM
    Are you suggesting we return the days when special interests like the railroads could buy enough state legislators to get their guy “elected” to the U.S. Senate?
    That would certainly cut the rabble out of the process.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    GeorgeB 1031am – Have no idea how you deduced that from my 806am. My position on corporate lobbying and welfare has been clear and a public record in these pages for years (see also ‘A Conservatarian Credo’). The solution to your implied problem is not more raw democracy (where does it stop?), but reducing the inventory of things that are for sale by and from the government. I do realize that we have two diametrically opposite ideologies at play here.

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    “Jon” sure could use some education on the Electoral College and elections in general. What a dunce!

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  12. Walt Avatar

    On the Right,, we think for ourselves and vote for the one we care too.
    Todd likes his guy, and I like mine. Notice no bitching or infighting?
    Libs on the other hand seem to be told who to vote for. Hilary was the shoe in. Then The men behind the curtain pulled “O” out of the hat. A know nothing, community agitator, who got there only by the color of his skin. ” This is they guy you will vote for.” and Hilary went down the tubes.
    Speaking of Hilary,, she right back to question dodging. ” I will answer your question after I’m elected.” ( Her response to a yes or no question about the Keystone pipeline.)

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  13. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, no bitching or infighting in the Party? LOL..are you freaking kidding?
    Are you blind to the attacks and insults back and forth between your guy and most other candidates, like Scott Walker. Trump just ripped the guy apart as a supposedly effective Governor last week. He was actually correct about Walker.
    I LOVE that stuff!

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  14. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Todd, the masses elected Al Gore to the Presidency in 2000 via their popular vote, yet Bush ended up in the WH. Electors apportioned by state elect the President.
    Thanks for the opportunity to set you straight.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    You obviously don’t know a thing about the Electoral College “jon”. Glad to have straightened you out.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    I guess you can’t comprehend “jon”.. Todd and I (that means him and me) are not at each other’s throats.
    Yes, there IS infighting within the Right. The RINOS and establishment GOP against the working stiffs ( Tea Party Conservatives) Today’s GOP is LIB lite, and spinless.
    Funny thing about LIBS. JFK would never get elected as a dem today. He would be considered a Conservative, even though JFK won with the graveyard vote against Nixon. ” He stole it fair and square”- Nixon..
    Gore whined and sniveled, and tried to manufacture votes. ( hanging chads, dimpled chads, chads under microscopes looking for the slightest hint of a dent to count,,)
    Even in the last election here in Ca.,, “lost” ballots kept “turning up” till LIBS won.
    LIBS are GREAT at rigging elections. I bet they can’t wait for on line voting.

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  17. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Todd, why do you often post like a 10 year old- repeating everything ass-backward so that your point becomes absurd and foolish?
    So, please tell the board here how the Electoral College was set up to have Presidential elections determined by the “masses”. LOL. I have an open mind.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Now how did this happen??? A LIB indicted? Snow is falling in HELL!
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/29/indicted-democrat-will-be-replaced-on-house-committee-by-democrat-under-ethics-investigation/
    Hopefully the replacement will be replaced soon enough with someone with lesser charges.
    I do believe that both will be re elected. LIBS have a habit of doing that.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jon | 29 July 2015 at 01:49 PM
    Why do you act like a ten year old “jon”? Tell the readers all about the EC. You claim to be an expert. Have at it.

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  20. Walt Avatar

    It’s about damned time those we elect started listing. Some realize that “we” put them in office, and “we” can take them out.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/29/exclusive-boehner-discouraged-from-bringing-meadows-resolution-up-might-be-embarrassed/
    He will be in deeper shit if he fails to bring it up for a vote.
    Boehner may be out of a job. ( but count on LIBS to save his ass.)

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    So that we can stop the schoolyard exchange on the Electoral College, here’s the scoop –
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

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  22. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    If you take the time to learn about the Electoral vote that elects our President and Vice President you’ll understand why some people don’t want Voter IDs. While most believe the two leaders of America are elected by popular vote, they are not. A group known as the electors decide the vote on who gets elected. Each state and the District of Columbia have electors that represent the state. Ohio has 18 members of Congress and therefore had 18 electoral votes in the 2012 Pres election. There are 538 electors altogether. Who becomes elector varies from state to state. In some states the political parties nominate the electors. In other states the electors are chosen by popular vote on election day. When it’s time for the electors vote for the Pres and Vice Pres, the electors meet the Monday after the second Wednesday in December in their state capital and complete their vote at that meeting. Then the votes are sent to Congress to be approved on January 6 at a 1:00 pm session. If, for whatever reason, the Electoral College is unable to elect the President and Vice President, then the House of Representatives will select the President. In this case, each state in the House gets one vote. If the House is unable to secure the positions, then the Senate will select the President and Vice President. In this scenario, each senator has one vote.
    Every four years voters go to the polls and select their candidates for Pres and V Pres. In all but two states, the candidate who gets the majority of votes in the state wins the state’s electoral votes. The candidate who wins the majority of votes in a state wins that state’s electoral votes. Voters choose which candidate becomes their state’s electors. The one who receives the majority of electoral votes (270) wins the Presidency. The number 538 is the sum of the nation’s 435 Representatives, 100 Senators, and 3 electors given the District of Columbia.
    The Electoral College system distinguishes the United States from other systems where the highest vote getter automatically wins. It’s been criticized, but proponents maintain that it ensures the rights of smaller states. So now you have the rest of the story and can understand why those who are against Voter ID want to corrupt the popular vote that determines who are chosen to be electors.

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  23. Walt Avatar

    If Trump is the clear cut leader “the establishment” will have no excuse or ability to say, “your fired”. ( much to “jon”s dismay)
    Trump in double digit leads. Even in FL. Seems word of LIBS siding with Bush didn’t go over too well.

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  24. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    I forgot to add that the populations of California’s big cities practically eliminate representation for rural Californians.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 255pm – IMHO, Trump is running a dash in marathon. Now that may be the only way to get peer recognition with other Republican candidates. Nevertheless, dashes in marathons usually don’t work. Thoughts?

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  26. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Excellent analogy George. Totally agree.

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  27. Walt Avatar

    In a marathon, it’s a good plan to get a jump on the other runners. they will always be trying to catch up, and stay winded. My kid runs in them all the time.
    Get out front,, and STAY there.

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  28. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Todd, after being called on your childish behavior, you again think its cute to repeat what I say and reverse it? Very, very strange. So show us in that link that George provided where a President is elected by the “masses”, or where our Founders desired it to be so.

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    Adding to my 310pm thoughts from a lunch with a friend today. I also believe that Sen Cruz is using Trump as his stalking horse by not criticizing Trump’s take on the material issues that reflect what many people are thinking. When Trump fizzles, Cruz will be in the perfect place to pick up the issues trumpeted by Trump that got traction, and in the process may even get Trump to become a major contributor to the Cruz campaign. (If only we could put a cork into Trump’s third party ambitions.)

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  30. Walt Avatar

    “If” the GOP stabs Trump in the back because they don’t see him as a member of “the club”, that will be the death knell for the GOP.(LIB Lite) The voters will see them for what they are. The Tea Party is already taking their place, one election at a time. The GOP isn’t Dad’s Conservatives anymore. ( I sure miss those brief talks with Reagan when he called.)

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  31. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, your take on marathon strategy was one of the funnier things I’ve read in a long time! Kudos to you.
    GeorgeR, could not agree more on Cruz and Trump. Cruz is staying out of the Trump fray and getting his attention via his Senate disruptions.

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    jon 3:28 PK
    Jon, after being called on your childish behavior, you again think its cute to repeat what I say and reverse it? Very, very strange. So show us in that link that George provided where a President is elected by the “masses”, or where our Founders desired it to be so.

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  33. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Todd, is it a medical problem or what?

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Trump is unique. We have all been raised and taught a “politician” is someone who works their way up the ladder. Starting local to state to fed. When a person is not the “usual” we all don’t know what to do. Look how the media can’t get it. It is as if we are in the big meeting room listening to the back and forth among big shots of the business world. I think it is GREAT! So all of us scratch our heads about Trump and just plain don’t get it either.
    If he burns out he burns out. There may be a “conspiracy” that he is the lead horse for someone else, or a democrat plant to embarrass and discredit R’s, or some other shenanigan. But this is so early it is all simply conjecture and BS for anyone to know. If Trump tells us, then we will know. Walker is lurking in the top two or three. He is the man who worked his way up. He has been there.
    Hillary slept her way to the top. First with Bill, then maybe Huma. There may be many more. Bernie Sanders lusts just like Jimmy Carter did and maybe this open society we now have makes that a plus. At least for anything goes democrats.
    I say the more the merrier now since it is so early. The process weeds them out and mostly those that have staying power have money. This is great classic American theater.
    I recall Clinto V Jerry Brown where Moonbeam jumped all over Clinton’s peccadilloes and Bill’s wife. As well as her Whitewater and “billings”. They almost came to blows! They still hate each other.
    Or Al Gore making up the primary attack on Dukakis using the black murderer Willie Horton. The dems and the press tried to say it was Bush 1 but it was Gore. Sit back and ejoy.

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  35. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, the Repubs are going to stab Trump in the back if he has any hope of getting the nomination. I don’t think he will make it that far, but if so, yes, they will figuratively stab him in the back. Something strange will occur. The Party of Billionaires is not going to tolerate being upended by a populist blowhard.

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  36. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, one correction- with few exceptions, nearly all the Tea Party candidates were trounced in their Congressional and Senate races most recently in 2014, so they did not gain ground that year.

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  37. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “Hillary slept her way to the top. First with Bill, then maybe Huma”.
    Please elaborate on your wild fantasy Todd.

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  38. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “Al Gore making up the primary attack on Dukakis using the black murderer Willie Horton”.
    Todd, whats up with you today? Are you returning to your childhood world of make believe today- with your 4th grade posts earlier, and now these wild fantasies?

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  39. Walt Avatar

    Really? Ever did a marathon? The term doesn’t only apply to foot races.
    The good Doc. compares this to a marathon. I consider it a journey with a trophy at the finish line. ( with plenty of traps and dirty pool thrown in)
    It’s being better and smarter then the next guy. Kinda like how I stayed employed in a mostly union operation. ( actually I was the ONLY non union guy, and had the respect of those guys.) But that’s another story of victory.
    BTW,, Even one LIB news crew knew better than to run a hit piece on Trump. ( Their learning.)

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt, I used to run too and what you say is correct.

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  41. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, not sure being a non-Union guy in a Union shop is a sign of personal victory.:) Was your compensation package better, or was it all about sacrificing personal gain for the benefit of your employer? LOL.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    I did just fine, and was working when some others were collecting unemployment.

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  43. Walt Avatar

    This news will kill Sen. Rubio’s run as a Repub.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/29/schumer-admits-i-recruited-marco-rubio-to-be-part-of-our-group-of-eight/
    He got sucked into the “dark side”.

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  44. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Walt. Trump kicked this lawyer’s behind and even got legal fees. Now she is crying and sobbing. I wish the media would get it right for once. He did not scream “You’re disgusting.” Nay, he did raise his voice but said “Your breasts are disgusting”. Big deal. I yelled the same thing at Gloria Steinman when she was up on stage. Some femini nazis just can’t handle the truth, no less take a joke or constructive critism.
    https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/trump-to-breastfeeding-mom-youre-disgusting-125350815777.html

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  45. Walt Avatar

    I read about that. She sure had some brass ones to try that. ” I’m going to fire up this milking machine as I ask you some questions on this land deal,,, (whips out a tit)” I didn’t recall a dairy being on the property.”

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  46. fish Avatar
    fish

    Somewhere pigs are flying! Ben, Joe, and Jon……in agreement politically with the Koch Brothers.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-30/now-its-personal-koch-brothers-freeze-out-donald-trump
    Donald Trump……..BOO!!!!!!

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  47. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “”The climate is changing; I don’t think anybody can argue it’s not. Human activity has contributed to it,” a quote from Jeb Bush in an interview with Bloomberg online.

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  48. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    JoKe, there’s a grand canyon between “we’re all going to die from CO2 induced warming” and “human activity has contributed to it”. I’d suggest ‘black carbon’ (aka soot) and deforestation, both human activities with climate impacts, may well have larger effects than CO2 emissions to date.

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  49. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The left hates the Bush family yet parades around like they are best pals if they egree on one point.

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  50. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Gregory– I think climate change is a combination of all of those things. Then add the effects of toxic waste and pollution on the plant and animal life into the mix as well. A few years ago in Yellowstone NP, they couldn’t figure out why there were no aspen trees younger than 11 years old growing in the usual places. They tested soil, air, water and still couldn’t come up with a viable reason. Until, someone noted that 11 years prior was the last time a wolf was spotted within the park boundaries. Apparently, the wolves kept the moose and elk out of the meadows where the aspen grew. They reintroduced wolves back into the park and the aspen grew again. Everything is connected in some way or another and effects everything else.
    Todd seems to never miss an opportunity to display his ideological impairment and bias. The news is the news Todd, like it or not. They report and you decide. Did you happen to read my post about ad hominem attacks and why people use them?

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