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Columnists from the national (Victor Davis Hanson) to our local (George Boardman) scene have concluded that Donald Trump may actually be hitting a nerve with voters who are sick and tired of politicians side-stepping and mealy-mouthing important issues like the illegal alien influx and crime, immigration policy, and how to deal with a dangerous and failing Mexico.  VDH writes ‘Donald Trump and the Fed-up Crowd’, a compelling piece that concludes –

To explain the inexplicable rise of Donald Trump is to calibrate the anger of a fed-up crowd that is enjoying the comeuppance of an elite that never pays for the ramifications of its own ideology. The elite media, whose trademark is fad and cant, writes off the fed-up crowd as naïve and susceptible to demagoguery as the contradictory and hypocritical Trump manipulates their anger. In fact, they probably got it backwards. Trump is a transitory vehicle of the fed-up crowd, a current expression of their distaste for both Democratic and Republican politics, but not an end in and of himself. The fed-up crowd is tired of being demagogued to death by progressives, who brag of “working across the aisle” and “bipartisanship” as they ram through agendas with executive orders, court decisions, and public ridicule. So the fed-ups want other conservative candidates to emulate Trump’s verve, energy, eagerness to speak the unspeakable, and no-holds barred Lee Atwater style — without otherwise being Trump.

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Now our own GeorgeB, who habits a world distinctly to the left of VDH, concludes in the print edition of the 27jul15 Union that ‘Trump may be a clown, but he hit a nerve with many Americans’ (inexplicably not yet posted on the paper’s website).  After excoriating The Donald for a number of infractions, behaviors alien to polite if not politically correct society, he doesn’t quite see or at least reveal what American nerves have been hit by the candidate’s indelicacies as Trump tromps through the hustings.  Instead Mr Boardman revisits the long leftwing litany of how bad the US has been about everything ranging from our foreign policy to our handling of illegal aliens.  His summa is that “we created this problem, and we have to solve it eventually.”  Well, no and yes.

Where our columnist does expend some ink is in solving the border security problem.  There he presents a solution that does not include “building a fence at the Mexican border from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico.”  For the interested reader, such a secure piece of national infrastructure would cost less to build than an equivalent length of any interstate highway of the kind that crisscross our nation.  Its subsequent maintenance and patrolling to reduce ingress rates would also cost less than the many alternative more porous solutions offered by the left, including Mr Boardman.

But here it’s also important to note the mental framework from which such interpretations of US culpability and plans forward arise.  Mr Boardman succumbs to the prevalent progressive perspective that our building a more secure border would be the equivalent of erecting something that is “probably no more effective than the Berlin Wall” with all of its concomitant “bad optics.”  He does not seem to understand the restrictive direction of the Berlin Wall, and that it was very effective for the reason it was built – to stop the mass exodus of Germans from east to west.  Its downside arose as a ready symbol reminding the world that governance by communism does require a police state.

And there our columnist doubles down by claiming because of our “checkered history” in handling immigration, “there is an important point to be made about controlling our national borders.  But how do we do that and weed out illegal immigrants (sic) without creating a police state.”  The rationale behind this statement is mind boggling – in the least it indicates a massive confusion about the purpose of walls and fences regarding whether they are to prevent ingress or egress.  Let me expand on the specifics.

First, America undeniably has had the most salutary and beneficent immigration policy in human history.  Only those who subscribe to the ‘America last’ political philosophy would fault our not conducting a policy that was anything but indifferent to our interests, while putting the interests of would-be immigrants above all.  Second, with a secured border it is easy to “weed out” the illegal aliens; they are the ones who are captured after crossing it without permission while violating our laws.  Finally, no one with a three-digit IQ would accuse a sovereign nation-state of being a “police state” simply because it makes its own territory accessible only to people who follow its ingress laws that define the granting of visas and its immigration process (recall, that contrary to illegal entry, immigration involves a two-party agreement).  So Mr Boardman, whose IQ clearly sports the required digits, should have his fears laid to rest about an America with secure borders becoming a police state.

Circling back to Trump and the Republican candidates, my own assessment continues that Trump’s discovery of America’s sensitive nerves about illegal aliens, fiscal policy, foreign policy, wealth creation, welfare, etc does not require rocket science, but merely a level of audacity and courage to say, no matter how indelicately, what millions of Americans have been thinking.  I don’t think he has any chance of becoming the ‘man on the white horse’ of US politics that he thinks he is.  But I believe his continued outrages will put some starch in the spines of the otherwise more mainstream Republicans.  We await how their respective messaging bends toward those issues.

Finally, readers may recall that, while I believe in a more pluralistic political landscape for America, I also believe that any solo third party will by its entry sink the chances of its closest ideological neighbor.  My only fear about The Donald is that he will pull a Ross Perot, and torpedo any one of the many fine and qualified Republican candidates making it to 1600 Pennsylvania.  Were that to be in our future, I would consider running through the streets wailing, ‘Bernie, where is your Socialist Party of America when we really need it?!!’ 

[2aug15 update]  We seldom watch live TV, but always DVR programs for later viewing or not.  Watching Republican candidates being interviewed has been a frustrating experience.  Our vaunted broadcast journalists have all turned to huckstering for the cheap thrills of competitive campaigning, instead of focusing their interviews on the candidates’ positions on issues and plans forward should they become president.  I’ll use Chris Wallace’s Sunday program on Fox News for examples, but you can find equivalent ones on any channel.

Wallace interviewed Ohio’s Governor Kasich and did everything he could to divert the man from talking about his record and positions.  Wallace wanted the focus to be on what Kasich thought about other Republican candidates.  At one point the frustrated question was asked, ‘Well what could any president do?’ in response to Kasich trying to talk about the future.  Kasich was a bit flustered, and missed his opportunity for the correct answer – ‘Chris, a sitting president can do a lot and has a tremendous impact on the condition and direction of the nation.  Look at the disaster Obama has been able to create during his six years at America’s helm, especially in his domestic and foreign policies, the economy, bureaucratic corruption, and extra-constitutional power grabs.  I intend to repair as much of that damage as possible during my tenure in the White House.’

Then former Texas governor Rick Perry was interviewed.  Again, Wallace fought tooth and nail against Perry reminding people of his record as governor and his response to today’s critical issues ranging from the Iran deal to border security.  Instead, our intrepid journalist kept asking Perry questions (my paraphrasing) like, ‘Hey, you really f*^ked up in your 2012 debates.  How do feel about that, and do you think you’ll f*^k up again this time?’, and ‘Trump is really on the rag about you, he’s telling everyone how you’re trying to hide your room temperature IQ behind the glasses (let me play a few clips).  What would you tell him in the upcoming debates?’.

Perry finally took the bait, and gave the viewers what Wallace wanted.  His correct answers would have contained points like,  ‘Trump comes from a background of an autocratic wheeler-dealer businessman.  He admits to not being a debater, but one who issues orders and expects them to be executed without discussion.  Trump really wants to become Commander-in-Chief of America and play the same role from the White House.  But that’s not the way our government with three co-equal branches is supposed to work.’  And another time Perry should have said, ‘Trump’s political beliefs and social policies have been all over the map, and no one knows for sure where they are today.  For example, he may still believe in delivering up single-payer healthcare.  We have to remember that Trump is a former Democrat who today looks as if he’s had a pretty iffy epiphany.’

All this aside, we are looking forward to the best entertainment ever this coming Thursday on Fox News as the first Republican candidates’ debate airs with Trump being the wildcard.  Will he suddenly turn on some statesman like charm (can he?), or will he double down as the loose cannon on a careening deck aiming his motor mouth in directions yet unknown?

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134 responses to “Dump Trump? (updated 2aug15)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I was in a discussion with my dental hygienist this morning about politics. She said isn’t it terrible there are so many R’s running? I said of course not, the more the merrier. I said look at Great Britain just last May. When the votes are tallied all the candidates for a MP are on stage in every district. Sometimes there are ten or more! Still the outcome is usually down to two in the end. Same here. We have all these people running bringing in all these points of view. America is a better place when we have such interest in running the place.
    Trump says a lot of things that have stirred them up. Cruz too. Carly is coming on and I hope she gets into the first debate. She and Trump are the only ones smacking Hillary.

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  2. Walt Avatar

    LOL on that “dump Trump” picture. OF COURSE illegals would say NO!.
    The real good thing is that a huge minority of illegals will get away with voting against him.
    Trump is the LIBS worst nightmare. Even plenty of DEMS has said he has their vote.
    ( obviously none of ours)

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  3. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Carly is COMING ON? LOL. Where, when, how? No chance for a Top Ten slot at the first debate, unless Fox changes the rules once they realize they are excluding the only woman running.. That may not look so good, but they don’t appear particularly concerned about the female vote in 2016… With a weakened and subpar Hillary as likely Dem, the Repubs once again know how to self destruct.
    Bernie is by no means done however, and Joe may still make a go of it yet!

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The poll and its story are hooey. Washington Post does a lib poll and then reports on it. What a scam.

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  5. fish Avatar
    fish

    …….Joe may still make a go of it yet!
    Please god make it so!
    A campaign season with the Biden Gaffe Factory working at full capacity restoreth my soul.

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  6. Walt Avatar

    They don’t call it the Washington compost for nothing. A LIB rag, for LIBS on the rag.

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  7. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Already knew the education and intelligence level of people supporting Trump. But nice to see it in official format.

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  8. Walt Avatar

    Really “jon”?,, Look what elected “O”. The nation is so pissed at LIBS,, look at what “your side” is only able to muster up. A washed up witch, who is about to be indicted and a radical Commie.
    And things didn’t go all that great at “O”‘s family reunion..( Gotta love his “native Son” admission)
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/27/obamas-kenyan-brother-barack-is-not-an-honest-man/

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  9. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt,
    That bluster and lack of substance fits right in with how you roll. I got it. But unfortunately, Trump will not survive. The Repub power structure and big money PACS will see to it that their money placed toward the fair-haired favorites are not pre-empted by Trump.

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  10. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    I get a kick out of the super smarties that call those who have different experiences dumb….as they follow their theologian leaders like robots.
    Protesters using Soros Grant money
    These are just a few stories stirring the pot of confusion. It does sound logical how this same strategy is used over and over. Especially since those constitutional conservatives wanting to be non profits were held off and investigated. And the war within continues on and on financed by Grant money from government (taxpayers) and private donations. Only the side being financed to win the war gets the money without being held up and subjected to investigation…Who would have thought there was a conspiracy by the far right extremists if Hillary hadn’t warned us. As you read this keep in mind we live in a very deceptive society that says and does all kinds of things for profit.
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ferguson-Missouri-paid-protesters/2015/05/25/id/646587/
    http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/334131-fergusons-mayor-wants-america-know-one-crucial-detail-rioters-city/
    http://nationalreport.net/ferguson-gang-leader-admits-eric-holder-paid-us-start-riots/
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sorosferguson.asp

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  11. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Now there’s a group of reliable outlets! Oh boy. Eric Holder paid people to riot! But where’s the Philadelphia Trumpet, Bonnie? LOL.

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  12. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Jon you’re the perfect robot. You don’t even finish reading because you already know what you are supposed to say to stir the pot. “Who would have thought….if Hillary hadn’t warned us. As you read this keep in mind…a deceptive society says and does all kinds of things for profit.” You didn’t read that did you? Hahaha, maybe you would enjoy reading the book “Clinton Cash,” pull your head out of the sand, then look hither and thither to get a broader view of our political world so you can offer something interesting to the discussion instead of being such a boring wet blanket.

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  13. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Trump is awesome! He calls ’em like he sees ’em. I don’t want him as the leader of the free world though… maybe ambassador to Iran???

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  14. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Bonnie, did I indicate I am a supporter of Hillary? Nope. Lots of questions about her. If she ends up running, she will take a massive percentage of women and Latino voters with her. Your sources are well known fringe rags, and I take no stock in them, and certainly not the sensational, red-meat tossing headlines. The Philadelphia Trumpet that I mentioned is a far right magazine, with takes on today’s news based on biblical prophecy. It would be a nice complement to Newsmax for example, if that’s in your reading list.
    Anything of substance from either Walt or Todd besides childish retorts?

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt @ 4:51 today.
    Whatz wrong with hitting the bong too early? Or too late? Just don’t drink the hukka tea without first adding some honey and lemon grass.
    https://www.yahoo.com/health/brain-eating-amoeba-shows-up-in-louisiana-tap-125170465647.html
    Opps, off topic and just don’t drink the bong water, especially jon’s. Ok, back on topic.
    Seems this Trump thang is causing problems. All the problems are laid on the shoulders of the Republicans. Article after article forecasts DOOM for the Republican Party along with some posters here who are stuck with holding their collective nose and voting for Hillary.
    Just today, there are articles than Rush says Trump is unelectableand may coattail doom for the Party. Another article about how Bernie Sanders spells doom for the Republican Party. Then, only dumb and dumber would vote for Trump. Now this:
    http://www.vox.com/2015/7/26/9041163/donald-trump-poll-Republicans
    Holy Macarel. This Trump Problem seems to be getting worse and growing like gangrene. He ain’t my guy, but maybe I will check him out sometime. At least he is getting some passionate reactions all over the map.
    Trump vs Sanders would be the Ultimate Cage Match. Make that Sanders vs Trump, my gross mistake. Age before beauty. Ok, two men enter, one man leaves. And finally Paul Eee and all voters would get a choice between the “two”. Interesting developments and not one of the two was a former Gov. or life long politician…Opps, well one of the two is an outsider.
    Did you hear Trump’s reaction to one of his Republican opponents when that opponent’s aide called Trump stupid. Oh my. He certainly has a way with words. 🙂

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  16. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Jon, I have an old friend who always claimed she’s a liberal of liberals, but never listens to anyone except one viewpoint. Her husband is a retired college professor. This is how it is regarding research from my experience.
    An old friend and I were chatting over lunch at the Holbrooke Hotel when our conversation suddenly swerved onto the subject of the Internet. “You’re on the net?” I asked, hoping that we could exchange email. “No, I don’t even own a computer, but I think you should know something. Most universities won’t accept thesis material taken from the net.” I was past that anyway, but enjoy convenient communication, and the tremendous array of information about everything. I assured my friend that although the university stance may have some validity, most researchers know you need many sources of information to reach an informed conclusion. The subject dropped when I mentioned that one’s experiences have more than a little influence on how we think. I was thinking about a bizarre experience that changed my life.

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  17. Walt Avatar

    Bill. Trump is that fresh air we need. He is getting the same crap Reagan did when he ran for Gov. of Ca.
    Trump is looking better and better, and besides. He can’t be bought.

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yo Walt. See how quickly they dropped on the Ruff and Redeye Fire. I saw smoke, I saw a spotter plane, I saw an air tanker. No messing around with fires like the friggin Forest Service does. Here in these parts when not dealing with Federal Land, we hit it with everything and even air drop the kitchen sink. No waiting for a plan or approval from Washington. Our boys hit it hard and with the full shebang. No such thing as overkill.
    But that Shirttail fire last year or the year before in the North Fork of the American River Gorge went from 3 acres to a few hundred acres before the local US Forest Service firefighters could lift a finger waiting for authorization to employee assets. That sucks. Not the personnel, they system they are forced to adhere to. CDF had a different approach. Where there is smoke, cut the snake’s head off and stomp it into the ground before it can get away.
    Oh yeah. Trump is quite refreshing. Drives the asswipes batty, lol.

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  19. Walt Avatar

    Now why in Hell someone is out with a mower today (that’s what started it) is crazy.
    Now I have a good idea where you are. Stay safe my friend. We are just getting started.
    Good thing PV and R&R work close together. Yup,, our crews break speed records getting out of the barn. I sure do miss those days. 10 years as a volunteer in PV fire, then the politics and money got in the way. that’s when paid firefighters first started showing up here. ( from the cities)
    Love it. Trump is making “O”‘s skin crawl. The more LIBS attack him, the more his poll ratings go up. You get no apologies from Trump, and he stands by what he says. Unlike the Repub cowards.

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  20. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, LOL..Trump is not make Obama’s skin crawl. He’s had multiple good laughs about that clown over the years.

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  21. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    man, my grammar sounded like Walt. My very bad.

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  22. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Oh and Tozer, that reminds me, I haven’t had a bong hit in…32 years! Wow, how the years have flown. Hate impairing the lungs. But if we’re counting gallons of good wine, I do have a leg up.

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  23. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    LOL

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  24. Walt Avatar

    Box or twist top?
    Sure Trump is. “O” is already make cheap shots.

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  25. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “Sure Trump is. O is already make cheap shot”. Walt
    Sounds like an illegal immigrant to me. Refuses to learn our language. I’d get ICE check out this guy.

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  26. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    hey Don Bessee, you would not believe the horrendous home grown pot they served up in my dorm during freshman year in college. Guy down the hall was growing in his closet and it was RAW. Was sick for a month after a particularly long night after a party. Never wanted to partake again after that year.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well Jon, I have never even owned a bong. Good ole soda can with a paperclip to punch some holes in it and a thumb depression worked fine for a uncouth lout such as Moi back in the day. Trouble is I can’t seem to recall which day “back in the day” was. But, I am improving in my social skills and have upgraded to the fine art of communication. Moi is Frenchie talk, BTW, which adds a little class. If I keep this up, I will get a nose bleed from my lofty perch.
    So, vino by the gallon box, eh? Or was that gallons of vino that pickled your mind? Can you remember the exact moment when your cucumber brain turned into a pickle? Me neither. But wine is smooth, goes right thru you and out the fingertips. Haven’t touched a drop in pert near 24 years, but every once in awhile a cheapo half dog of Thunderbird or White Port sounds inviting to wet my whistle. Then some Gin and Toxic chased with hot Saki and fine Brandy, before the Boilermakers. Yep, I was such an alcohol whore back in one of those days.
    Yes, you definitely have a leg up. No argument or debate here. You got a leg up just like a dog on a fire plug. You get the prize, my fellow rusty zippered vagabond.
    Men are from Mars, Jon is from some other planet. 🙂
    Me bad. Off topic.
    Breaking News!!! New national NBC-Huffington Post poll just released 4 minutes ago shows Trump had captured the Hispanic vote and leads all Democrat contenders in the Latino community by wide margins. Trump preferred among likely voters 64% to Hillary’s 23% to Sander’s 6 % with the rest declining to state out of fear of deportation.
    Yep, this Trump Problem is gaining momentum and the challengers just don’t have enough money to make him go away like Slick Willy did to make Jesse Jackson pack up his suitcase with 6 million dollars (US) and simply go away. This Trump flash in the pan thing looks like he is moving on in to the guest room and staying awhile.
    News at 11.

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  28. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    BT Yippee! What Donald Trump has done is reveal exactly how people Re feeling whether you like him or not! It’s pretty hard to believe anyone running for political positions anymore. The TV media making so much money from elections has totally corrupted the process.

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  29. Walt Avatar

    Here is a GOOD write up on Trump.
    Hay Bill,, did you write this? it sure has your flare.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/28/bnthe-nuclear-option-teflon-don-trump-would-be-rampaging-bull-in-federal-china-shop/
    OH I can’t wait to see him debate Hildabeast. She will probably “bump” her melon and “just can’t make the gig”.
    Speaking of the beast, she stumps on “green” again, then hops on a gross polluter of a private jet. ( and on who’s buck??)
    Hear of her ” a solar farm in every yard” threat? China is itching for that business.

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  30. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    He will not win the Repub nomination Walt, so your dream matchup may not happen unless he runs Indy and gathers more than about 10% in the polling. I would think Clinton will have a hard time containing her laughter when he’s blustering and ranting.

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  31. Walt Avatar

    In your dreams “jon”, its the people that choose, not the establishment.
    Bush is a RINO and the people know it.
    Hildabeast will cry victimization after Trump uses her like the broom she road in on.

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    Jon 106pm – “He will not win the Repub nomination …”, you speak with such certitude Jon. How did you come to know all this stuff?

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  33. Psaul Emery Avatar
    Psaul Emery

    George
    Trump will not win the nomination because he is too independent. He will never get the support of Wall Street and Big Money or the international corps that run the show. The support middle of the roaders like Bush and Clinton who have been bought out fair and square and even have the receipts to prove it. Romney and Obama were perfect for them in the last election and it didn’t matter who won. Bush, Clinton? No problem.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 28 July 2015 at 12:00 PM
    Onto more important items of PROGRESS. One Day All Time record for Renewables in use in a modern nation. Exciting stuff.

    Nahh…that’s just technology…….the link below is the PROGRESSIVE wet dream! Exciting stuff.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11323558/Anti-terror-plan-to-spy-on-toddlers-is-heavy-handed.html
    Cross posted on “Sandbox 26 July”

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  35. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    George, I agree 100% with Paul. Do you think that group of 16 other egotistical, professional establishment politicians- and their gigante $$$ handlers, backers and PACS-who have spent years of their lives, and spent collectively BILLIONS of dollars planning already for 2016- are going to sit back and let Trump have the nomination? No way, no how. Something’s likely to happen, something very bizarre I bet. Perhaps the political equivalent of Tonya Harding taking out Nancy Kerrigan..

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  36. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 28 July 2015 at 01:52 PM
    …and people wonder why I regard the entire process as little more than high comedy!

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  37. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Also Walt, blowhards like Trump who is burning hot and bright right now, will eventually have to start talking specifics and realistic specifics at that. All the bluster, huffing and puffing, will have to be backed up with an iota of substance at some point. Trump cannot insult and attack his way to the nomination, much less the Presidency. At some point, a positive message with real feeling has to come out, and if not, he will get slaughtered in the General Election if he somehow makes it to November. Trump has not shown any ability to exhibit humility or communicating messages of basic humanity to make people feel good. In the General, his base is not enough.

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  38. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, we share the same opinion on this process..
    I will say I feel sorry for people like Rick Santorum and John Kasich, both serious and sincere about helping the poor and middle class and improving America, in their own way. Cannot even get a mention on TV, much less a debate podium. John Kasich on paper may have the best credentials of any Presidential candidate in many, many years, and he’s going to end up in low single digits.

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  39. Psaul Emery Avatar
    Psaul Emery

    Jon
    His base is big enough to give Repubs the hives if he decides to pull a Ross Perot. He can do that and fund his own campaign. Trump seems to be driven by his own ego so there is a real possibility that could happen thus ensuring a Clinton victory.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I love this American process. Where in the world do you see anything similar? Ignorant people like SF and “Jon” can bloviate all they want but they don’t know diddly. But it is still their right to be that way. I enjoy listening to all these candidate and what they have to offer. I like to see who is supporting who and how much. I love these debates and how people react to questions. As FISH said it is great theater. And here we all are unafraid the “liberal” though police will show up and arrest you as they do elsewhere.

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  41. Psaul Emery Avatar
    Psaul Emery

    Todd writes “”liberal” though police will show up and arrest you as they do elsewhere.”
    Can you give us a few examples?

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Psaul Emery | 28 July 2015 at 02:13 PM
    As much as I would like to concur with your analysis Psaul I’m beginning to think that if she were to be nominated and win that she’s probably going to need to be sworn in while wearing an orange prison jumpsuit.
    That’s cool…. orange…..it’s the new black!

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  43. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Paul, agree, and I think as we stand right now, he is likely to end up as an Indy candidate, splitting the vote with either Bush or Walker. Regardless, a bad outcome for Repubs no matter how you slice it down. But as the Times piece points out, the Party encouraged this stuff, and is now paying the price.
    LOL. I look up and instead of commenting on the subject, Todd is out again attacking people on here for no real reason.

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  44. Psaul Emery Avatar
    Psaul Emery

    Never happen Fish. Even Agnew walked away and they caught him accepting actual bags of cash whild sitting in his White House office. What do you imagine they would cuff her for?

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  45. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    On topic: a quick glance at Yahoo News just now reveals most of today’s news is more Hillary problems and THE DONALD rocking the Republican boat. Upsetting the apple cart if you will.
    I am 100% in agreement with Jon concerning my man, Gov John K from Ohio. A real straight shooter and pragmatic. I’ll take a pragmatic over a wild ideologue most of the time. Sadly, no articles or mention of him today. But he done got himself elected first during the waning days of Watergate when the Republicans were getting their clocks cleaned.
    I have noticed that our progressive posters here are mysteriously quiet on their gal, Hillary. More “trouble” for her as she refused to answer questions on Keystone today. Said if the issue is still around when she is President, she will answer the question then. Hmmm. In a hope we all should be rooting for our gal to sit in the Oval Office just so we can get some questions answered. She must have cut a deal with Obama cause she just won’t “go there”. To become a Dem President lately, all you have to do is not answer any specific questions (especially questions that are narrow in scope) and just say you are here to help the poor as the war chest grows and grows.
    I am pleasantly surprised at all this interest our liberal brothers and sisters and combinations of the former and latter have shown in the Republican race for 2016. Guess it’s more interesting and more newsworthy than defending Hillary in her many many hours of need. Darn, that woman needs to catch a break or have manna fall from heaven.
    Before you all write the obits for the Republican Party for the umpteenth time, there are many miles to go on the road to the White House. Guess the new buzz word of the week is DOOM , as in THE DONALD and what he will do to the Republican Party. Glad all you progressives are squealing in delight and have taken such a great, if not mysterious, look at the canadates from the Great Right Wing Conspiracy., aka, The Donald nowadays.
    All this gloom and doom talk reminds me of the label President G H Walket Bush put on the gloom and doomers. He called you “naysayers”. Well, I admit it didn’t work out for him against a smooth talking challenger, William Jeffereson Clinton, but the label naysayer was in vogue for awhile. Bet you all wish Hillary had at least half of Bill’s charm. Strike that. I bet you naysayers wish Hillary the Baggage Lady had one drop of charm and two drops of smoothe in her blood, but it was not meant to be.
    The other exciting news the Republicans can boast about is Jenner is a Republican, a little known fact. Don’t know if Bruce is going to have to rerigister after the recent name change or not, but all the action and excitement right now is on the Right Side of the aisle judging by the media and progressive poster comments here.
    We Republicans are having ourselves a rodeo and all spectators are asked to remain in the stands. Ride ‘Em cowboy!

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  46. Walt Avatar

    Note to “jon”. The masses do the electing. Not Wall st. Not a hand full of “rich guys”.
    WE the people say who is the nominee. Not the political establishment. ( unless it’s the Progressive party. That’s how “O” got in there, and Hilary got shafted hard and dry)
    So just what’s your authority that Trump will be put out in the cold? DO tell!
    How many LIBS will it take to play “turncoat” and vote once for Bush, the vote for Hilary?
    As I said before. Nothing is sticking to “Teflon Don”. Hell! Even the press is using that now. The more LIBS and RINOS try and smear, the more he goes up in the polls.
    Enjoy the spanking Trump is going to give LIBS.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok, I have a serious question for Steve Frisch and/or an equilivent authority. Serious, not kidding for once. Honest, not joking around.
    Here’s the background. I just came back from the laundromat in PV. In the trash was the front page of the Sac Bee, July 22, 15. The headline and accomplying picture was Gov. Brown addressing a group of international majors with black shirted crucifix adorned Catholic priest behind him. The caption read unequivocally that Brown says we must turn the tide of Climate Change or “humanity will face extinction.”
    In a moment of clarity, it hit me like a ton of bricks he actually truly believes that. Not just spouting words in the limelight pandering to the Eco-nuts or political allies, not just believing in alternative sources of energy, or sustainability, but rather a clear concise core belief believing our present path will led to the extinction of humanity.
    I did not do anything but glance at the paper on top of the trash…er…recycle bin.
    So, here is the question in all earnest:
    Do you believe that Climate Change, Global Warming, whichever term you prefer, will lead to the extinction of humanity??? No tricks up my sleeve. Just want to know.
    I want to know because I really did not think you guys were doing more than symbolic gestures (like PETA), or taking it to the local and State levels like MADD’s successful long campaign. Sure, solar panels are good and I have the perfect acreage facing west for a field of mirrors. Not opposed to them or wind up radios either. But, somehow I never considered that some truly believe in their heart of hearts that left unchecked, Global Climate Change will literally destroy humanity. That is some serious shit. Very serious. If you really believe that, then I must change the way I respond/react to your posts for sure.
    I have no ammo to fight this question with, nor do I intend to form a defense/counter attack to your believes nor intend to. iI am not talking about events nor even ideas. Do you believe in the very depths of your being that Gov Brown is spot on??
    I would appreciate you expressing your feelings, if not Steve then someone else. No facts or links or long disortations required or needed. Thank you, Bill Tozer.

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