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George Rebane

Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez murdered four US Marines in Chattanooga before dying in a gunfight with police.  The FBI immediately took charge of the investigation, discovered some culpatory tweets from unknown locations, and briefed the President.  Our president then assumed his long-established stance of immediate amelioration by identifying this obvious raghead as just a โ€œlone gunmanโ€ about whom there is an ongoing federal investigation.  The words โ€˜radical Islamโ€™ again never left his lips, nor were any obvious dots connected to let the nation know that our law enforcement is not as dense about what is happening in the world as is the White House.  In fact, more astute commentators this afternoon are correctly concluding that Obama did everything he could to โ€œdisconnect the dots.โ€

Contributing to the Presidentโ€™s pabulum was Ray Mabus, the U.S. Navy secretary, who called the shootings โ€œboth devastating and senseless.โ€  Senseless??!!  Again one more administration official from another planet.  When considered from the viewpoint of organizations like ISIS or Al-Qaida, these long-promised attacks make all the sense in the world.  Yet the administration disconnects another set of dots with inane statements like this.  At least he got the โ€˜devastatingโ€™ part right.

What surprised me most was the Chattanooga mayor telling the nation that he โ€œwas surprisedโ€ that such an attack could have happened.  Where in hell has he been?  Even those poor souls who could not add two and two have been told from the highest law enforcement levels that murderous radical Muslims are living among us; that we should expect such lone wolf attacks whether directed from overseas or self-motivated.  Polling Americaโ€™s Muslims has revealed that hundreds of thousands of so-called moderate Muslims believe perpetrating violence in America to achieve Islamic ends is fully justified. (more here)  Abdulazeez was by no means the first moderate Muslim turned murderous Islamist within our borders, and you can bet the ranch that he will not be the last.

As a footnote, it also turned out that the fedsโ€™ pronouncement of the existence of โ€˜no credible threatโ€™ surrounding the July 4th holiday was a lie (aka 'untruth') as reported by Catherine Herridge chief Intelligence Correspondent of Fox News.  Therefore such statements in the future will have about as much credibility as Hillary describing the disposition of her emails.  But the credibility we now seek is from the real moderate Muslim communities in America rising up with one strong unassailable voice to denounce not only the latest raghead, but also that interpretation of Islam that gives rise to his ilk.  And some better polling results would be much appreciated.

[17jul15 update]  This update is offered as a public service to the FBI and other federal agencies currently confounded by and busy attempting to determine the motive that Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez had for his 16jul15 attacks in Chattanooga.  While their claims of being puzzled about such things are remarkable in themselves, their mischaracterization of this radical Muslim is even more disturbing.

Letโ€™s clear up the motive first.  Abdulazeez launched his attack to make existential the longstanding threats of international Islamic jihadists like ISIS and Al-Qaeda to demonstrate that Islamโ€™s ability to project terror knows no bounds.  They and their indigenous adherents are already in place everywhere, and there is nowhere โ€“ especially in the very heart of the Great Satan โ€“ that they cannot strike to kill the infidel and sow fear into the hearts of those who would resist the spread of Islam as Allah has commanded.

And please donโ€™t confuse motive with the exact nature of the relationship(s) Abdulazeez would have had with various overseas sponsors of Islamic terror.  That is a wholly separate area of investigation.  The thing to always remember is that such terrorists can arise from the midst of our moderate Muslim communities, unknown and unannounced to the best of our intelligence efforts to predict and interdict such attacks.  One-way communications from terrorist websites to resident Muslims who are psychologically and spiritually prepared is all that is necessary and sufficient to carry out, continue, and expand such attacks indefinitely.

Also, you folks seem not to know with whom you are dealing, especially those of you high up in the ranks of law enforcement and counter-terrorist agencies.  In front of cameras you sound like know-nothing politicians when you describe people like Mr Abdulazeez as being a โ€œcowardโ€ or โ€œcowardlyโ€.  Given Islamโ€™s perspective of western civilization as interpreted within their belief system, Abdulazeez was anything but a coward.  This young man, raised and educated in America, concluded on his own to sacrifice his life for his god and civilization to perform what he knew to be a limited yet very symbolic act that would unambiguously communicate the success and dedication of Islam in striking at the heart of its greatest enemy.  He knew his sacrifice would inspire thousands of like-minded Muslims who daily contemplate how best to offer their own contribution to the spread of Islam.  To those thousands, both here and worldwide, his was an act of supreme and glorious sacrifice to be admired and imitated.

(And we on our side abet and invite more such sacrifices as we writhe in our various attempts to mollify Islam, especially in America.  An example and object of such contempt to the zealous jihadists is the mayor of Seattle who is seeking ways โ€“ fasten seat belts โ€“ to facilitate the influx of Sharia law-abiding Muslims into the greater Seattle area by finding ways they can finance home purchases without having to pay the interest so loathsome to Islamโ€™s true believers (more here).  Is this elected public official addled, or does he represent a broader sensibility of progressives working to transform America?)

[21jul15 update]  It's not clear whether the FBI peeked at the above correct answer, but today they announced that Abdulazeez's murderous rampage was indeed an act of terror.  Now you, I, and at least another 100M American's knew that within the hour of the news report.  But when government competence is considered, then we can rejoice that it took only a week for them to reach the conclusion.  And that, for some mysterious reason, then allowed the White House to fly its flag at half staff.  Go figger.

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227 responses to “Another Moderate Muslim turns Radical Raghead (updated 21jul15)”

  1. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 04:51 PM
    What ‘caricature’ of Jon’s comments is, “I say let’s use the FDR strategy of camps for the Muslims until they surrender the war they started.”
    I really think you are incapable of rational thought when any comment pertains to something I post.

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Let’s revisit a baldfaced lie by the CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council, Nevada County’s six figure 501c3 rentseeking carpetbagger from Chicago via San Francisco:
    “”By the way, there is almost nothing that Linda Campbell said that is not said here almost every day by Todd, Greg, Walt, Fish or Bill.” – Frisch
    Name one thing Campbell has written that is remotely similar to anything of mine, Steve. Quote vs quote, not in your twisted moral equivalence fantasies.
    Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 02:27 PM

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  3. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “If you don’t think a President Hillary Clinton wouldn’t incarcerate Muslims if it was expedient to doโ€ฆ… ”
    Is that what you seriously think America has come to? If so, you are worse than blind, you are out of your mind. anyone who thinks as such has been propagandized to the nth degree by moron talk show hosts, bogus news channels, and corporate funded think tanks who are manipulating your brain with disinformation and hatred. Things are not really that crazy. America is still (although less than before) a free country. What are jihadists going to do, load up on old tugboats towing barges loaded with at least 1/2 million soldiers to even consider an adequate landing force, and sail on over from the middle east? They can never land enough troops or infiltrate enough illegals to ever take over this country. Remember the cold war and being a little kid diving under your desk during atomic bomb drills? It didn’t happen, never would happen, and was total propaganda inflicted upon children and adults alike. Now guess who our largest trade partner is, yes those evil communists the Chinese. This is no different except instead of rubber plantations in VietNam (a proposed Trans pacific trade partner) its about fossil fuel in the middle east. So instead of evil commies, the scenario is now evil muslims. Just like Hollywood, remake after remake after remake. You would think the billionaires and their stooges could think up a new plot.

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The Frisch just makes it up. He and Paul Emery and “jon” are real good at putting words in other people’s mouths. Or when caught lying they change the subject.
    Frisch makes a difference between Jihadist and Muslims. There is none. Every Muslim is a potential jihadist because it is their religion and written into their “holy book”. I would expect Frisch and jon to raise their hand to the head choppers right before they lose their heads while screaming “Hey I love Muslims and hate the jihadists” The head choppers would respond right before the knife with “It is the same for us you infidel” Then yikes!

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  5. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch’s 4:55, once again, I see a quote by Todd that seems to promote incarcerating Muslims who start wars against us. What would you about combatants in wartime
    Don’t forget to answer my 4:48 reprise of my 2:27. There’s a lie of yours awaiting retraction.

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  6. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 17 July 2015 at 05:25 PM
    I think Todd just proved my point Greg, he is making no fine distinction.
    Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 04:58 PM
    And I think YOU just proved my point Greg ๐Ÿ™‚

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Koyote, you’ve been watching too much MSNBC.

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    You would think the billionaires and their stooges could think up a new plot.
    Why? You still bark like a seal at this storyline!

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch, you’re only requiring fine distinctions from the people you dislike. Here’s a big distinction…
    “By the way, there is almost nothing that Linda Campbell said that is not said here almost every day by Todd, Greg, Walt, Fish or Bill.” – Frisch
    Name one thing Campbell has written that is remotely similar to anything of mine, Steve. Quote vs quote, not in your twisted moral equivalence fantasies.
    Or are you just going to weasel out of it?

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    For the intelligent reader – in the above comment stream please note the ‘It can’t again happen in America’ thread from the progressives. Yet it is they who have incarcerated American citizens, and it is they who are preparing to do so again if we are to believe their published directives, field manuals, and field exercises. Pointing this out gets you immediately targeted by the ‘Alinsky 180’ accusations of fostering exactly that for which they are preparing.
    Regarding my 17jul15 update to this post, I want to point out that tonight’s news continues to report that the feds are all tangled up in their undies still trying to figure out what was the raghead’s motive for his killing spree and subsequent self-sacrifice. And you have to reflect that these are our finest minds working on the case.

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I can’t understand how a self diagnosed “smart guy” like Mr. Frisch does not understand the Koran or Muslims at all. I guess his Wiki reading is missing the page that I stated here. The “jihad” is the duty of ALL Muslims. It is in their “holy book”. The readers here can see the dodge by Frisch and jon etal on this very fact. The Koran was written by a Arab warrior and there is a lot of death and destruction of people who won’t convert. Unlike the Holy Bible of Christianity the Koran has never been “updated” to modern peaceful vernacular. The Holy Bible was updated to love and peace by Jesus Christ and Christians have settled down over thew centuries to practice those very things.
    Muslim’s are taught in their schools that Jews and Christians are pigs or dogs and deserve death. None of our Christian schools teach that hate. But, Mr. Frisch can appease the Muslims all he wants but they are all head choppers in waiting in my view. If camps were good enough for the democrats in WW2 then who am I too say otherwise?

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  12. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 17 July 2015 at 06:00 PM
    “Yet it is they who have incarcerated American citizens, and it is they who are preparing to do so again if we are to believe their published directives, field manuals, and field exercises.”
    Is that an oblique Jade Helm reference George? I see America’s Walmart’s are filling up this week with the incarcerated Patriots of the southwest ๐Ÿ™‚

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    If Frisch and “Jon” were walking a straight line, they’d take the latest terrorist acts on US soil (the ones by Muslims) the way they’re pushing for a cleansing of all Confederate sympbols… even little Fort Bragg, California, is being pushed forward as needing a name change because Bragg later went to fight for the south.
    Bloody hypocrite.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Did I hear the Iranian Mullahs scream Death to America! and Death to Israel! this week right after the Frenchman, John Kerry announced the “deal”? Now, maybe the Muslim’s leadership didn’t really mean that? Or, as our democrat politicians always say after being caught lying, “Oh, I really did mean what your heard me say”. Yep those peaceful religious Mullahs in Iran, oh and the Taliban and ISIL, almost forgot. Yep nothing to see here, move along.
    Steve Frisch, how many Muslim’s are employed by SBC?

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  15. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 17 July 2015 at 06:13 PM
    More toilet paper….who is next Todd? the Jews? the Quakers? the atheists? the Democrats? the RINO’s? anyone who does not think like you?

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The only person here that thinks the Constitution is toilet paper is you Steve Frisch.

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  17. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Hey gang lets remember that it was the ‘jon’ who injected the whole internment camp bullshit to distract from the real issues that we were focused on. Next he will bring out the quad kids on breathers in electric chairs. Just because someone wants to kill your clan back in wherever your loyalty to the US is question number one with verification. There should be high criteria for a golden ticket to the USA charley and the chocolate factory plethora of goodies. The ones who engaged the system earned their spots at the front of the line deserve what they toiled for in support of the values of the US.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    DonB 701pm – I’ve been looking at all the BS about internment camps from our leftwing readers. Do you or anyone know of how this crap got started? Is it another one of those progressive sรฉances where they ‘know what we are thinking’, and then start talking about it as if it was a real proposal made by someone on the right? That has been the usual course of debate here for the last eight years or so.

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  19. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Hey all you big brave Americans cowering in fear of Muslims- guess what? I’m going to dinner with a MUSLIM friend this weekend! Seriously. I’ll even tell you its going to be in Grass Valley, downtown. Just in case you feel the need to alert the authorities.
    Todd, can you cite specific examples of the American Muslim head-choppers you speak of? I’m curious. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  20. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Donnie, lets not be so insulting to Todd with your description of internet camp “bullshit”. That was Todd’s specific suggestion, and I agree, its bullshit. To the highest degree. Nothing really different with Todd, different day, different topic, same MO. I simply brought it out because I was tired of you guys beating around the bush with all your fear mongering about the Moderate Muslims among us.

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    Here’s an accounting of Muslims killing Americans that might be of interest in this discussion.
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm
    Has anyone noticed that our progressive readers have vigorously denied the proposition that murderous jihadists emerge from the ranks of our ‘moderate Muslim’ communities, and that their denials have essentially been without substance and fact free.
    Note that no one has stepped forward to explain away this latest raghead attack. All the conversation revolves around innuendos, diversions, and attacks on commenters who show concern that we have no viable response to halt the future course of such attacks. Their ‘logic’ to counter suffices with the citing that someone is going out to dinner with a Muslim, and has every expectation of surviving the encounter – ergo, there is no indigenous jihadist terror problem in the US. Precious.

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  22. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    George, seriously, the reason I even touched on the internment camp idea is because after your essay and subsequent topics here, I wasn’t clear if you had a solution. Seemed some were heading in that direction- certainly Todd bought into the idea. Do you have any particular solutions to counter the potential dangers of the moderate, suburban American Muslims among us? My Muslim friends are some of kindest humans I’ve ever known, and certainly the most respectful and well mannered. Would you subject them to questioning or tests to prove their allegiance to the US? Two are American Citizens by birth, one naturalized.

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  23. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 17 July 2015 at 07:13 PM
    Dude, if that is all you got it appears Muslim’s kill other Americans at a much lower rate per 100,000 people per year than any other Americans do.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 728pm – Powerful logic there Mr Frisch. You’ve just put to bed all of America’s concerns about indigenous Muslim terrorists. Please share your insight with the local FBI office, they will be relieved. Reports of a federal stand down will undoubtedly be on the 11 o’clock news.

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  25. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Of course there’s always the other side of the hate equation. Frustrated cracker taking out a chunk of a fine family of ambitious and successful young Muslim students. Nah, just a random nut who surely would have targeted a loud, noisy, Bud Light swilling group of NASCAR fans.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/chapel-hill-muslim-student-shootings-north-carolina.html

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  26. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Jon I’ve even had meals cooked for me as a guest in a devout Moslem home… but tell me… why are you so forgiving of current Moslems who are silent while everyone with a confederate in their closet from 150/years ago are expected to scourge themselves as penance?
    The only ancestor of mine I know of in the civil war runnned off to join the union army as a 15 year old.

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jon you brought the internment issues into the discussion. I simply agreed with your progressive internment strategy put in place by your FDR. But you are just a lefty broken record. America bad, blah, blah, blah. We here like to discuss American exceptional ism while you Muslims tear it apart. You see Jon, you are a dinosaur of “liberal” thought and inaction. All words, no boots on the ground for American success. You are are cartoon. My goodness, I read you on the DailyKos and the Nation and if you ever get a original idea rather than the brainwashed gobbledygook you espouse, then we can have a decent and meaningful conversation. But alas, you are a troll. Which Mosque do you attend jon?

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  28. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Oh that was a classic Todd! Awesome, passionate. What an All American hero you are!

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    Jon 734pm – I claim no ready solution to the ongoing generation of jihadists from ‘moderate Muslim communities’. But I will predict that as these raghead killings proceed, there will be a backlash by the more easily incensed Americans who undoubtedly will hail from the ranks of the gun-toting rightwingers. As the feds and state authorities exhibit their inability to deal with the problem, people will react on their own recognizance. We will not be mollified by daily doses of progressive pabulum to bandage American blood. It was ever thus, and it has never been pretty.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Thanks. You finally get it.
    Anyone ever notice these libs never answer our questions? How can there be a discussion if that is the case?

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  31. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Greg, my friends are mortified and disgusted by Jihadist, radically influenced Muslims. If they at any time sounded sympathetic to murder and mayhem, I’d be gone. But they aren’t.
    I have no problems with anyone collecting Civil War memorabilia. Why would I? Like millions of Americans of goodwill, we simply want those hateful symbols out of public spaces on governmental property and parklands!

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    let me know when the moslem street is carrying signs against the jihadi, Jon.

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  33. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    I will Greg. But you keep on keepin’ on with your priorities!

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  34. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    CCC to the Nth degree.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, we could ban the fireballs in our local mosques from speaking hate speech. Take a page straight from the Enlightened Ones’ “Socialism For Dummies”, paperback edition.
    http://patriotpost.us/alexander/36467
    http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22238

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  36. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    I think some distractions brought to discussions lately purposely waste time. Sorry, but that’s the way it looks.

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  37. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Jon”, my sense is there are more Moslems in the US wishing the US ill will and Israel vanquished than there are southerners who revere Confederate flags and wish ill to blacks in America. Whatever the cries in the 19th century, most who love those flags are just saying ‘I ain’t a damned Yankee’ and they have a right to that if they want it. But the witchhunt will continue.
    Scorched earth policies of war, used by the North, typified by Sherman’s march to the sea, was so intended to indiscriminately punish civilians that it’s since been made contrary to the Geneva convention, and it took the better part of a century for the south to regain its footing. Their descendants have a right to remember. If they’re anything like the Serbs, they’ll still remember in 500 years.

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  38. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Not sure recollections and bitter feelings of history require any particular rights. They can have as much fun with their southern redneck toys and symbols as they want. I’m not living there in the South anymore as I did for nearly 15 years, so have at it Bubba. Yahoo. But I do know the last vestiges of Confederate battle flags and symbols will finally be vanishing from official government property. If they think its a witchunt, that’s too bad. Time to move-on.

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  39. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yo Jon. New Orleans have had the flag of Spain, France, The United States, The Conferate States, and currently The United States again, albeit it is still considered a different country in anyone’s book. So, which flag should we tear down and burn in the French Quarter????
    Creoles sure aren’t Coonass Cajuns. Too uppity for me. I prefer getting away from The Big Easy and swimming with the real mud bugs and swamp things. The real coonasses. They left Arcadia, Canada and floated down the Mississipi until they ran out of river….all to be left the hell alone and be Catholics without religious persecution. Thus the name Cajuns, a shortened version of Arcadians. And when the Frenchies bred with the Caribbean’s (who mixed with the Africans), boy o boy, the result is gorgeous. Some have white skin with jet black hair, blackest most beautiful hair you ever seen with piercing blue eyes staring back at ya. Others have different combinations of skin color and eyes and hair. Breathtaking. Can’t understand what they are saying, yet they are all Americans who don’t go around shooting up domestic military recruiting centers. And the Enlightened Ones mock them? Ha!
    Next time you need some help or want to be welcomed as family even though you are a total stranger, call a raghead. I kinda lean towards calling a Southetn family first and a ragheaf last. But that is only cause I ain’t got none of them there smarts the progressives have.

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  40. Russ Steele Avatar

    Diplomad 2.0: Chattanooga Murders: Progressives Get the Credit
    http://www.thediplomad.com/2015/07/chattanooga-murder-progressives-get.html
    Make no mistake about it. The progressives who run our institutions own this mass murder as much as they do the murder in San Francisco and the daily toll of murders in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, East Los Angeles, etc. They own it from their encouragement of Muslim immigration all the way to the “gun free zones” in which our military are forced to operate unarmed despite mounting evidence that they are targets of terror. We have highly trained Marines forced to “duck and cover” and run for their lives instead of doing what they do better than anybody else: send terrorists off to their appointment with seventy-two virgins or raisins or whatever the idiocy is.
    On the other hand we see some leadership at the State level:
    Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) issued an executive order late Friday authorizing certain full-time military personnel in her state to be armed following a deadly shooting the previous day in Tennessee. This is also happening in Arkansas and in Louisiana. Want to make any bets on California leadership on this issue? Did not think so.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    California leaders will turn over the keys to the kingdom as they are so PC.

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  42. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 17 July 2015 at 07:33 PM
    Really George, you are the one who posted an anecdotal list of murders committed by “Muslims”. I was merely riffing on your illogical intimation of “Muslim” violence.
    By the way, i don’t see where anyone of the “progressive” bent has denied that violent Jihadists can emerge from a more peaceful Muslim community….what we are contending is that they emerge at no greater proportion than violent separatists like Dylan Roff or Tim McVeigh emerge from our own domestic community…or for that matter than mass killers emerge form the American middle class.
    Nor is it my responsibility to come forward with the ‘solution’ to the problem…. “..no one has stepped forward to explain away this latest ra*#ead attack..”
    I am merely stating that the knee jerk reaction that the solution is to diminish the civil liberties of all Americans is unacceptable…and it should be unacceptable to American Conservatives too.
    We are all–in our iconoclastic views, political peccadillos, and exercise of free speech– protected by our national civil liberties. I may not like yours but I would vigorously defend your right to hold those views. Diminishing civil liberators for any ‘group’ is the same as attacking the civil liberties of every ‘group’.

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  43. fish Avatar
    fish

    I may not like yours but I would vigorously defend your right to hold those views.
    I seem to recall a certain chap vigorously objecting to people marching in a 4th of July parade while bearing firearms a few years back? Now I don’t believe it went any further than that but it certainly shouldn’t be considered an example of; “I may not like yours but I would vigorously defend your right to hold those views”.

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  44. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Steve, that states the case succinctly and accurately. thanks.

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  45. fish Avatar
    fish

    Stupid HTML!!

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  46. fish Avatar
    fish

    Stupid HTML?

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  47. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: fish | 18 July 2015 at 09:34 AM
    Carrying loaded firearms into stores (which are private places) or in parades (which are on public property and subject to the rules of the event organizers) are not necessarily the same as exercising ‘free speech.’
    The conditions for free speech under our Constitutional system are not unregulated, and never were in our system, nor are they universally applicable; they are subject to local laws, and those laws are determined ultimately by appeals to our courts.
    That is the system we live under.

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  48. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: fish | 18 July 2015 at 09:45 AM
    Hey how did I get caught in your HTML web Fish? It must be because I cut and pasted you time stamp but that is very strange.

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  49. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    CCC to the Nth degree.
    Posted by: Don Bessee | 17 July 2015 at 09:09 PM
    Still trying to decipher that one ๐Ÿ™‚ 9:09 PM ๐Ÿ˜ฆ must have been after the witching hour.

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