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George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary aired on 15 July 2015.]

You’ve all heard of generational groupings like the so-called Greatest Generation, Baby Boomers, and Gen Xers.  Well, the latest are the Millennials, those born between 1980 and 1997.  This cohort is now in their young adult years, and they have arrived on the scene with a markedly different worldview and priorities than their predecessors.  For openers, none of them lived through or understood the Cold War.

Their view of the United States is not so much tempered by our exceptionalism, patriotism, capitalism, or even our beneficent role serving as the world’s sheriff.  They do not see Russia, China, and even Iran as geo-strategic competitors or possible foes of America, but as peer nations on the global scene doing pretty much normal stuff to serve their national interests without seeking hegemony over their neighbors.  And for the first time the new demographic cohort contains more self-declared liberals than conservatives – 30% to 28%.  Given the recorded sentiments of the so-called Moderates at 40%, I would conclude that during the last decade the country has swung markedly toward the Left.

The Cato Institute has published an informative compendium of recent polls and studies of the Millennials which concludes they are “more liberal, more ethnically and racially diverse, more technology centered, more supportive of government action to solve problems, and the best-educated generation in US history.” – the latter at least when counting the number of issued high school diplomas and college degrees.

Millenials see the US and the world heading toward a global order.  While not quite trusting human nature and individualism, Millennials hold that bigger and more comprehensive governments will be able to calm and control man’s animal spirits.  In such an environment Millennials see the world as a less threatening place than do their predecessors.  And without perceiving sharp outlines of global threats, Millennials don’t see the need for America to project power.  Today only 2% of Millenials have served in the military, and to them talk of the Cold War and how the world was then is a turn-off.  Their schooling has given them a distinctly counter-image of what it was like when the US and the USSR maintained peace through the threat of mutual assured destruction.  But that was then, and this is now.


When we look at the recent focus in higher education, we see a great emphasis on the inclusion of ‘sustainability’ as the driving constant now incorporated into all areas of college curriculum.  This is the new Agenda21-compatible watchword that unites all subjects, and in which today one can earn a college degree.  The unifying idea of ‘sustainability’ is that “curtailing economic, political, and intellectual liberty is the price that must be paid to ensure the welfare of future generations.” (more here)  That tenet alone explains why Millennials have come to accept curtailment of campus speech as the new norm.  They believe that such curtailment should spread into general society and cause no problems, especially to the “best-educated generation in US history.”

Today, according to the Association for the Advancement of Sustainability in Higher Education, there exist 1,438 academic sustainability programs at 475 colleges which recognize completion with degrees up to and including doctorates.  But the question remains – who in the private sector would hire people with such skill sets if they were not under a state mandate to do so?  The answer is obvious when the employer is a government agency.  And that may explain why so many Millennials are proponents of big and bigger government. 

So there we have it dear listener.  The new Millennials have been sustainably educated, are established in our midst, and by their growing presence have already tipped the scales to a new future that continues to throw off the ideas and values of the exiting Silent Generation and the soon to exit Boomers.  The die is being recast for ‘Peace in Our Time’, while no one remembers what happened in 1938.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on georgerebane.com where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  By coincidence the 15jul15 WSJ contains a report by former Indiana governor Mitch Daniels on James Pierson’s new book Shattered Consensus: The Rise and Decline of America’s Post-war Political Order.  Pierson makes the compelling case that America is on the threshold of a new and dark revolution of the magnitude of three previous ones which shook and determined new directions for our country – “…the Jeffersonian revolution, which ushered in a long period of dominance of a new anti-Federalist party; the Civil War, which vanquished slavery and set off the ascendancy of northern Republicanism; and the New Deal, which dramatically expanded the size and intrusiveness of the federal government in Americans’ lives.”

The consensus, which “assigned the national government responsibility for maintaining full employment and for policing the world in the interests of democracy, trade, and national security”, began to weaken in the 1960s and accelerated in the 1970s.  But it has been with the Millenials during Obama’s administration that the actual collapse has started.  Pierson argues that such a consensus, which “is required in order for a polity to meet its major challenges, no longer exists in the United States. That being so, the problems will mount to a point where either they will be addressed through a ‘fourth revolution’ or the polity will begin to disintegrate for lack of fundamental agreement.”  In these pages we have referred to this epoch as the beginning of the Great Divide.

Pierson asks his readers to question certain aspects of the veered political course taken by our country, for example “how will the contemporary left resolve the original progressive contradiction, which persists today: Affecting to be tribunes of ‘the people’ and advocates for democracy, in practice so-called progressives demonstrate a dismissive impatience with democracy in favor of rule by the diktats of our benevolent betters, namely them.”

He also points out that the “massive programs” envisioned by the progressives all require the rich to get much richer while at the same time allowing an ever greater share of the fruits of their risky labors to be taxed away.  Contemplating Pierson’s warnings, we recall that there is no solution to this conundrum in the growth of the government-corporate complex, because the result is inevitably an even larger bureaucracy that cuts the risk/reward feedback paths and mangles the management of the enterprises through usually insane partitions of authority and accountability.  And the carefully filled heads of the new Millennials are innocent of such considerations.

[16jul15 update]  The comment stream under this post is heartening, especially in the enthusiastic and voluminous participation by our liberal readers.  The alert reader will discount the obviously limited scope of their studies as they continue to accuse their ideological opposites of being small in number and uniquely holed up and isolated here in these foothills.  Given their information sources, such mistakes are understandable.

One progressive commenter’s contribution stands out as a posterchild proxy for many of the others as he addresses me who might also serve as a proxy for those of my generation and background.  For openers, the gentleman is completely unfamiliar with the bespoke literature documenting chapter and verse of free speech on college campuses, and he apparently does not know many current students nor has visited today’s college campuses.  He states with some assurance –

“…no George, it's just your antiquated 19th century world view that has proscribed progress, change, and the evolution of society. Slavery was once thought to be an acceptable economic model, no longer. Communism was once thought to be a threat, no longer. Polluting and ransacking the planet's resources for profit was once thought to be the engine of progress, no longer. It's not that the millennials (I have two) are naive, uneducated, or stupid, in fact, it is quite the opposite. They have much broader view of the world because the world has changed, something you and your cohorts don't seem to understand. It is time to pass the baton to those who understand the present and don't dwell in a past that no longer exists. Like it or not.. things they are a changin' and the world view you adhere to is no longer relevant in the 21st century.”

For the reader new to these pages, I am a technologist (with posted vitae), teacher, and entrepreneur (also a grandfather and great-grandfather).  In working at the cutting edge of knowledge I and others like me have always been in the minority, have always had our ideas initially rejected by the establishment.  But it is people like me and of my generation and professional background who in their life’s work have given us the blessings of the world we now live in.  It has been our forward looking ideas and creativity that have provided the technical advances, new systems and services, novel organizational structures, and jobs that propelled this nation into the computer and space ages, and then developed the businesses that understood the technologies and greatly contributed to the country’s wealth during the last half century.

I challenge anyone with a smidgeon of 19th century history under their belt to produce evidence from these pages that characterizes me as having an “antiquated 19th century worldview” – clearly the above commenter does not qualify.  And to put a bow on it, I am proud of the prescience that RR and many of its commenters have shown in foretelling the (sad) course of events that have put us on our current national trek to authoritarianism, a path on which our newest adults have been taught that a sustainable future requires “curtailing economic, political, and intellectual liberty (as) the price that must be paid to ensure the welfare of future generations.”  This is what the Left considers forward looking 21st century thought?!  However tragic, they may actually be right, but they err greatly in the nature of the “welfare” they will bequeath future generations.

In my seventies I am active in a wide range of organizations, I have the good fortune to exchange ideas directly and personally with my political leaders and intellectual fellow travelers, I remain an active and productive developer of new technology, and I am blessed to be in association with, yes, Millennials with whom we have created yet another technology based enterprise that is now a major employer in our area.  Did I mention that I also have five grandchildren in college?

So I wonder how in touch are my liberal critics, are they keeping up with what is happening in technology, economics, youth, and the geo-political roilings of the world; and how then are they contributing to its progress?  But I do know why they read RR, constantly disparage it, and yet continue to participate in this blog’s extensive debates.  Somewhere deep inside they know that the ideas promoted in these pages are real and have a real audience.  They know that these ideas comport with human nature and have made this world an acceptable place in which to live and raise families.  More importantly they feel that it is these same ideas that will carry the day with a free and informed citizenry, and in doing so will give lie to the worldview they were taught and have cherished through the years.  So it is important for them to come and contend, and it is important also for the rest of us to have them do that with the greatest acumen they can muster.

No matter which way the current gale blows, we in the minority – especially in the realm of ideas – continue to express our hope for the future by passing on the values and mores of liberty, individualism, and enterprise.  We will not go quietly into the dark night that awaits us all.  

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156 responses to “The Millennials have Sustainably Tipped Us (updated 16jul15)”

  1. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    “There is a coming to Jesus and I would not want to be a eco-grant taker, a liberal or even a democrat once the people have their say.”
    All I have to say is that I do not fear the second coming of Jesus either. I’m pretty confident he would be more aligned with my values. But I guess he was actually saying that once the ‘people have their say’ our presence would be would be unwelcome. I am once again confident that I would fare well in a ‘revolution’.

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  2. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Carp: 9:36 — The ever growing government is the direct result of the ever growing corporations. Don’t you get that government is the shill for the corporations? The IMF has pegged the wealth transfer (subsidies) from taxpayers to the oil industry, including health care costs associated with fossil fuel pollution, not including climate change issues and costs, at $700b A YEAR. Add to that trade agreements, off shore banking and other tax dodge laws passed by congress and signed by a president that also amount to taxpayer subsidies and the picture begins to sharpen a little.
    Of course, you don’t mean those kinds of government expansions. You are more likely referring to things like the EPA, Consumer Protections, labor laws, etc.. (i.e. things that benefit the country at large rather than large multinational corporations.) You must remember that the law of the land is caveat emptor, buyer beware. The public needs those protections because corporate officers have a legal duty (yet another government sanctioned and court upheld “law”) to put profit before the public. They are duty bound to poison the public if that is the most profitable business model. How sick is that? The whole “government is bad/deregulation” propaganda put out by the corporate funded think tanks is nothing more than a ruse, a dodge, and a smokescreen to put the blame elsewhere. The same holds true with the idea that regulations hurt jobs. Another excuse for outsourcing overseas. It’s not because of the regulations, it’s because cheap labor, lax environmental standards, and low taxation which equals greater profit, are the real reasons why corporate American abandoned American workers. The propagandists then take the anger of the masses and channel it toward “evil government” deflecting the real blame and further enhancing the position and power of the corporations all in the name of freedom.

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  3. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Agreed Steve. Still looking for Bible passages that speak to the preferred values of wealth accumulation and its pursuit. Todd, can you help? And just exactly who are the PEOPLE of the “when the people have their say” comment?

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  4. Patricia Smith Avatar

    I also agree with Joe’s comment (11:21pm) . I cannot fathom why anyone would think corporations would “do the right thing” without regulations is beyond me (which is not to say some regulations are well-meaning, but not effective). They just pick up and move to another country when things get too hot.
    Also, if green energy companies recieved even 10% of the overall subsidies we give to gas & oil companies, they would be able to make this type energy cost effective and plentiful. But since you can’t invade another country to steal their sunlight, I won’t hold my breath.

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  5. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    It’s amazing how, when discussing regulations governing corporate behavior (not to mention everyone else), the left seems to be saying there aren’t any now. Where is this “unfettered capitalism” I keep hearing about? Not anywhere in the US and particularly not in California.
    Regarding Frisch and his testimony (thank you, Bre’r Steven) regarding every youngling coming to his door being progressive, well, that’s because the one’s that aren’t don’t come to your door. A low paying (or not paying) job at an eco 501c3 gets a self selected population of kids with soft degrees.
    “Sustainability” as a rallying cry will last only as long as AGW being effective as a scare tactic, and that is on its way out. The volume will keep rising at least until December’s Climapalooza, but if that fizzles it could soon be in a freefall.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    PatriciaS 219pm – Totaling all ‘oil subsidies’ comes to about $4B annually. You would be surprised at the make-up of that sum and who are its backers. In any event, before waxing eloquently on fossil fuel subsidies, a little learning might be in order. Here’s a good place to get an overview.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/

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  7. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I am shocked, shocked I tell you that the ‘jon’ agrees with frichy and pattie agrees with them! LOL

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  8. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 16 July 2015 at 02:47 PM
    “I work with networks of people across the country….”
    I am not just talking about people coming to my door, I am talking hundreds and thousands of students a year going into business who have the values I described.
    “Regarding Frisch and his testimony (thank you, Bre’r Steven) regarding every youngling coming to his door being progressive, well, that’s because the one’s that aren’t don’t come to your door. A low paying (or not paying) job at an eco 501c3 gets a self selected population of kids with soft degrees.”
    And of course Greg you are completely full of crap about this. First, we pay well. Second, we don;t do any unpaid internships, we actually do well paying internships which is why we get students from Yale, UCLA, UCSB, Stanford, etc.
    Third, sustainability is not a climate related rallying cry.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Of course you pay well. It is from the taxpayer! We know how well the NGO’s and bureaucrats watch the spending. Jeeze.
    The people one NGO exec meets is the same NGO everywhere else. Including employees! They are all brainwashed with leftwing propaganda. Mao would be proud.

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The two white guys at the top of the so-called “Sierra Business Council” are paid well but as far as I can tell from the tax returns the mostly white women making up the vast majority of the worker bees are getting something like $50k compensation average, I assume including benefits. I’ll guess the new grads are much lower than the average, probably a fraction of what my kid gets paid to be a grad student especially if you consider the value of the education that goes with it.
    And “sustainability” is very much a climate rallying cry. Here’s a link to a UN site that links sustainability, climate change and Agenda 21. Imagine that.

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Damn, the link didn’t get there…
    https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/topics/climatechange

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  12. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 16 July 2015 at 03:10 PM
    Posted by: Gregory | 16 July 2015 at 03:34 PM
    You can both throw all the stones you want to but you’re both speaking from a position of total ignorance. By the way we have a four person management team and two of them are women. You also know nothing about benefits or anything else.
    But even more important no one gives a darn what you think, smart college grads are still knocking on my door, learning real workforce skills, and going out into the world and the work force as acolytes, while you guys are sitting on the porch watching the world pass you by.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The President and VP are both white guys. A couple of the women get to be on the management team, how nice. It’s still virtually lilly white and mostly female. No blacks have applied?
    Of 23 photos, there are two women who have hispanic names and look the part, 15 women in total. 8 guys in total, none of whom are anything but white by appearance and name including the top two in the organization.
    Would you care to share the average compensation by gender, Steve?
    BTW, I doubt anything is being learned at SBC that is particularly applicable to anything other than other eco non-profits besides showing up for work on time, and you really have no idea what I’m doing.
    -Greg

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  14. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “smart college grads are still knocking on my door, learning real workforce skills, and going out into the world and the work force as acolytes”- Frisch
    Acolyte, what an interesting word for Steven Frisch to choose to describe his hired younglings:
    a person assisting the celebrant in a religious service or procession.
    synonyms: helper, attendant, minion, lackey, henchman, follower, disciple, supporter, votary (typ monk or nun), sidekick, groupie, hanger-on.
    Yes, that probably describes the jobs to a T. Thanks for the info.

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Gregory @429- Snigger, giggle, snort, laugh out loud!

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  16. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 16 July 2015 at 04:19 PM
    Yeah, as I said Greg, all you are good for is throwing stones. You are just a hack with a hard on for busting me, and you really drag this entire forum down. It’s sad really. I think if you applied yourself you could be a net contributor to society.
    By the way, ‘acolyte’ was just for you Greg 🙂

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Here’s a fun rock that fits the hand just right. Said to be a current director at SBC, describes the job as “low pay for consulting work”.
    http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Sierra-Business-Council-Reviews-E437058.htm
    Five salary reports.
    Steve, you just continue to get the energy back that you fling into the fan.

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  18. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Taking the top two white guys out of the calculation at SBC, the rest of the firm is 71% female. How does their pay stack up against the other 29% consisting entirely of white guys? Steve?
    No obvious Asians, no blacks, no east Asians, no obviously Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese names. No middle east names. No African names.
    Just how does a California non-profit manage that sort of hiring pattern?

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oops, not gonna retyp, sorry about the caps. Shoulda looked. THOSE WOMEN MAKE WHAT, 50% OF WHAT THE WHITE CRACKERS THAT LEAD THE ngo MAKE? looks LIKE IT. did THE ceo TAKE ANY OF THE GALS WITH HIM ON THE China TRIP PAIF FOR BY THE TAXPAYERS? aS THE BUDGET LEADER FOR THE bos FOR EIGHT YEARS i HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A MESS IN THE 990’S OF ANY ngo like thgis Truckee one. lOOKS LIKE THE FOX IS GUARDING THE “HENS”.

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Someone notify DOJ and ACLU about the gross discrimination against people of color by the sbc bosses. Get out the ever ready protest signs and write a boycott editorial and initiate the socialist phone call tree! Contact our oppressed sisters at the sbc and start organizing for union representation! Quick, post it on peeps.;-)

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 302pm – It seems that any young people coming to SBC for any kind of employment help or counseling would self-select into a cohort that is in line with your progressive ideology that is so apparent on the SBC website. Does that seem plausible, and do you think that might account for your assessment about the “hundreds and thousands of students a year going into business who have the values (you) described.”?

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  22. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 16 July 2015 at 05:13 PM
    I love how you guys assume you are men of the world (all men I might note) and know what people outside your circle think, but fail to believe that others might have the same experience. I travel the entire state on business, at least 25,000 miles per year, to some of the tough places too I might add. I go to campuses and speak to classes, I use university research institutes. I am not saying I can speak for all young people, I would never presume too, but I can tell you, as YOU pointed out George, that for many or most young people today sustainability is embedded in their values.

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Back to something more positive, Russ’ post quoting David Gelernter. I once was the 2nd choice (the other guy got hired) for director of engineering at a Portland area company endeavoring to build a desktop super computer circa 1991 around a hardware and software implementation of Linda, a parallel processing paradigm that Gelernter proposed. A beautiful alternative to parallel processing approaches of the time. C-Linda never quite took off, the Inmos Transputer (the microprocessor that was key to the desktop supercomputer) never equaled the Intel price/performance and the company crashed and burned without me, but the Linda concept is still core for a number of information technologies.
    A true Renaissance man, Gelernter also managed to get a chunk of himself blown off by one of the Unabomber’s creations sent in the mail, but he survived. The complete interview is worth reading.
    http://conversationswithbillkristol.org/transcript/david-gelernter-transcript/#lite

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  24. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 16 July 2015 at 04:58 PM
    Jeez Todd, it looks like you are having a well deserved heart attack. I hope I didn’t contribute to your anger management problem 🙂

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “And of course Greg you are completely full of crap about this. First, we pay well.”
    -Frisch, 3:02
    “Low pay for consulting work”- An SBC director, at glassdoor.com
    Who is one to believe?

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  26. Patricia Smith Avatar

    George, 2:49pm. That figure does not take into account the wars we fight to secure “our” oil in foreign countries. Ever notice how we don’t invade countries (even when deplorable things are happening) that don’t have natural resources we want?
    BTW, there is an interesting book that we might enjoy. It’s called the Selfie Vote, written by a youngish Republican about what the party needs to do to get the Millenials votes,

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  27. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 16 July 2015 at 05:42 PM
    Well I would say people should certainly not believe YOU, or one 4 year old review on an obscure and seldom used web site.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 521pm – Indeed, we agree on that which was the subject of my commentary.

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Joe Koyote | 16 July 2015 at 11:21 AM
    The ever growing government is the direct result of the ever growing corporations. Don’t you get that government is the shill for the corporations?

    Well untill you find a way to get government to provide all the good progressive stuff without the bad corporate stuff it would seem that disappointment is in your future. You’re kind of flirting with Ben Emery territory, where he and “90% of the electorate are in complete agreement” but still can’t manage to roll back the corporate juggernaut even a whit.
    Hey…..it’s been a good year for you guys what with Obamacare and Gay marriage. Learn to appreciate the wins and not dwell on the losses.

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Steve, anyone not socialist at age 20 has no heart, if still socialist at 40 they have no brain, or at least no skills.
    Patricia Smith, 5:54, it isn’t about securing the fuels we need, we could be energy independent now if there was a will to drill and mine. It is about denying oil wealth to those who would destroy were they to control it. ISIS selling oil is not a good thing.
    Among the first round of oil leases let by the Iraqi government after the regime change, I understand none went to US companies. Had our intent been stealing Iraqi oil, we’d have done better than that.The cheapest oil would have been had we let Iraq steal Kuwait without a pushback, as the Baathists invaded them to get oil to sell to us, among others.

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  31. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch 6PM, yet another non-denial denial.
    Average pay at SBC, male vs female. Are they even getting their 78 cents on the dollar?

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Obviously Frisch did not read the first sentence of my last post.
    I would suggest the Frisch, a 50 something white male cracker cannot come close to understanding these young people he says he preaches too at university. I would think he would be posting those sermons on progressive lifestyles so we could all read them. My guess is though they don’t exist. More white male progressive hegemony. Jeeze what a blowhard.
    Post the salaries of the underpaid women you run and if appropriate we won’t ask the EEOC to come in and make it right.

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Regarding the sustainability in the DNA in the young, that has something to do not only with the leftist tilt in higher education but also the inane leftism inherent in the new female ghettos of K-12 education and people like Nevada City’s Linda Campbell, who, after underserving the underserved with 30 years of continuation school warehousing, then manages to get elected to school boards despite having no demonstrated talent for rational thought.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Academia…..where ideas are tested….and minds forged in the arena of ideas!
    http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/16/portland-state-university-will-shut-down

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Missy Campbell writes some very uninformed and hysterica laden e-mails. Very emotional without any substance. Very very emotional and zero substance. It saddens me that her emotional and severe mental health issues continue to grow unabated. Don’t we have a thing called Laura’s Law in effect in these parts? Boy, that is one flipped out bird. Maw should not fly over the coocoo’s nest. Perhaps a quiet withdraw from the Bored of Ed and put in a padded place where there are no scissors. It ain’t pretty when Mount Campbell erupts and blows her top. In fact, it is sickening, yet not as sickening as the mere thought that she spent years alone with our children. We all owe the local younger generation a deep apology for not protecting them from the spewing Mt. C. What a c word.

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Reading through the posts, it once again obvious that smoking dope damages the brain.
    The LIB millennial already has one thing against them. Liberalism is in their DNA, and known as the ” LIB Gene”. ( yes,, look it up) Now add MJ, and drug experimentation of the 60’s through the 80’s to the mix and you can see the result. People who think they are owed something by the older generation and government, take loans they don’t feel they need to pay back. If they can’t, it’s someone else’s fault. No personal responsibility.
    Then of course no amount of facts will deter them from believing in AGW.
    In Ca. is smart thinking to flush all the fresh water out to sea to keep habitat for six fish. ( Yes, only six Delta Smelt are known to be left in the wild.)
    It’s time those re education camps get up and running. Put the LIB millennials in them.
    Lesson 1.. There is no free lunch.

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  37. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    frischy 521- I could say much the same on my legislative efforts in the region especially in liberal bastions. We mostly get the like minded and unsure wanting info. There is recent polling showing the effort of the Drug Free Community Grantees has paid off after long toil. The tweens across the country have become acolytes in regard to the negative view of weed. They don’t want to dump IQ in a country with historic lack of worker participation in the job market.

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, the liberal re-education camps have been up and running since after the 68 Convention in Chicago. It’s just more blatant now as the angry Black Man had been replaced by the Old Angry White Liberal Man in gobberment and so-called academia. I know. They have sent me to PC reeducation twice now. Don’t mind it abit. Get paid for windshield time, a free lunch, and listening to some spiel about offensive behavior and what is offensive to just one may get ya canned. No problem with that as long as the checks keep on coming in.
    Yep, that last reeducator asked us violators and various happy go lucky misfits if anyone could think of an inapproiate thing to say to a coworker or a member of the public at large. I was the only one to raise my hand. My example was telling the teacher that she had a nice rack, but her time in the suntan booth made her skin appear orangish. She was most professional and the class agreed I used a great example of what could be deemed by one or two as inappropriate non PC speech.
    After graduating again from PC class, I approached the instructor and told her I have a confession to make. I told her I lied, which got her undivided attention. I told her I lied when I said she had a great rack and promptly walked out of the room with another PC certificate in hand. Something I always show a fine lassie on the first date.
    All pays the same. I love working for companies that donate millions to Obama, lol. If that did not get me fired, nothing will. Just like working for the gobberment of being in academia.

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    Douglas Keachie

    Maybe I missed something? The cold war goes on, and if China ever cracks the secret of tracking our 40 subs, we are toast. It is not mentioned in polite societies, but the mainland Chinese have just a tinge of Racism, and would view the USA as turf for expansion. This info is from a life long friend, of Chinese descent, who travels there regularly.
    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we squabble over going solar and mass transit, and decrease ever further our chances for economic success as a whole nation. The balance sheets of the UberRich do not make for a healthy country. Elon Musk, Dean Kamen, Mark Cuban, are a few rays of light in the general darkness.
    Do not be surprised if the Chinese land a woman on Mars in the next 20 years.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    DouglasK 927am – Agree that the cold war continues, and yes, the Chinese very definitely are racists, they have been for millenia. But please give us a bit more detail on how continuing to raise taxes, increase regulations, and subsidize/mandate solar and mass transit (especially CA’s bulltet train) is going to increase “our chances for economic success as a whole nation.”?

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  41. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The fellow who truly has an 18th century worldview might be interested in this bit of news… the price of unleaded regular in California is now $1.05 a gallon higher than the average for the USA
    http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline/
    So much for AB32 not having an effect.

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  42. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Come on Greg, you’re smart enough to not make a conclusion like that so quickly, over a short-term (so far) price spike. I saw the spike as well, as everyone has, but all the other myriad logistics that unique to CA fuel distribution are likely factors as well.

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Jon, so it’s Bush’s fault that gas is over a dollar a gallon higher in California? Or is it the Koch’s?

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  44. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Yeah its Bush’s fault. Thats it Greg. As for the Koch’s- very possible there is some small factor there. But lets stop the silliness. I’d like to see a bit of a trend, over at least several months and several seasons. Funny to see your very scientific mind quick to make definitive conclusions about short term price spikes.

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  45. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Hey Todd, I’m always looking for common ground. I’d bet we have it in our feelings and desires directed toward the scum who beat up Mary Grace Tassone.

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    This is politics, not science, Jon. Raise taxes on fuel, make it harder to produce and refine, the price will go up. It’s now over a buck higher than the average for the nation and a whole lot more expensive than in other states with production capacity like Oklahoma and Texas. California used to be a major refiner but the regulatory atmosphere has changed that.
    Sacramento could have put a brake on the prices climbing by allowing fuel made to out of state specifications to be sold in order to take up the slack, but didn’t.

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  47. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Yes, clearly CA does not have the refining capacity, and it has unique challenges in fuel distribution. Those are the type of things I was referring to, and those are not new things. But we cannot conclude the price differential is caused by AB32. The movement and priorities away from the fossil fuels model is more than simple politics, its what the majority of Californians desire, its how we are taking the lead around the world in many ways. There are important things that CA people care about, and not just the price of gas which is obviously higher relative to Texas or Georgia, just god awful places to reside for many people.

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  48. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 12:48 PM
    Total nonsense by Greg, almost every industry analyst agree the current price spike has everything to do with supply constraints due to problems at California refineries and nothing to do with AB 32. If it had to do with the Renewable Fuel Standard why would the price go up now? The RFS has been in place since January……
    Now if you would like to get support for pipeline capacity between Texas and California to compete with California refiners I would be 100% with you–we should have done that years ago.

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  49. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Where in AB32 is there anything but obstacles to developing petroleum supplies or refinery capacity, Stevie? The spike may be temporary but there is no way in hell fuel at the pump is ever going to meet the average for the country, by design.

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  50. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 01:42 PM
    Point remains, the ‘spike’ is not caused by AB 32 or the RFS, it is caused by constrained refinery capacity. The base price may have been increased by AB 32, but there is not one singe analysis of pricing that actually shows that the RFS has increased prices, there are only models that show the RFS COULD increase prices. And I know how much you dislike computer models as opposed to real measurement—so show me the real measurement that shows the RFS has increased prices. It does not exist.

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