110 responses to “Sandbox – 15jul15”

1. 

   George Rebane

   20 July 2015

   Kudos to Union columnist and RR reader George Boardman who in his 20jul15 column called for the resignation of Ms Linda Campbell from the Board of the Nevada Joint Union High School District. My own sentiments about Ms Campbell were expressed here –
   http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/07/scattershots-14jul15.html
   Mr Boardman’s column on the matter is paywalled here –
   http://www.theunion.com/opinion/17336051-113/george-boardman-latest-example-of-elected-official-behaving

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   Walt

   20 July 2015

   How many times have our LIBS bashed “rightwing” news? Here is another dose of LIB news crapola,
   http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/20/no-comment-nbc-covers-up-evidence-of-immigration-crime-wave/

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   George Rebane

   20 July 2015

   Walt 128pm – Good catch. I have included your find in the 20jul15 update to ‘The Muslim question is not going away’. Thanks.

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   Paul Emery

   20 July 2015

   So George how is it that you can make Obama the worst President in modern history when at least compared to Bush II his liabilities seem trivial?

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   George Rebane

   20 July 2015

   PaulE 247pm – Therein lies the great chasm. To you and yours Obama’s legislating, illegal alien policy, foreign policy, executive orders, administration scandals are trivial. To the rest of us, including the Democrats in the coming election, Obama is a president better to ignore and forget about, much like Bush2 was for the Republicans in ’08. Whatever mistakes Bush2 made, Obama doubled down and purposely made them worse in addition to piling on disasters that only a president either profoundly ignorant of the world and/or bent on fundamentally transforming America could accomplish. If we ever recover from Obama, it will be at least a generation. I am reminded that we have yet to recover from LBJ’s Great Society programs for which the blacks still pay dearly with the passing of every day.

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   Todd Juvinall

   20 July 2015

   Funny how libs call Bush2 the worst President and kiss Obama’s fanny with praise. Bush2 loved everyone. Obama hates white people. Bush saved millions of black lives supplying money and tech to fight AIDS on the African Continent, Obama send three thousand Americans soldiers to “fight” Ebola.
   What it shows is Paul Emery’s mind is set and has been and he cannot give an inch of praise for anything Bush2 did(oh he will now though LOL) What a concrete brain. It has to hurt.

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   Paul Emery

   20 July 2015

   George
   As I understand it we are still paying for the 3 Trillion and counting and thousands of American and civilian lives as a result of the Iraq war triggered by false intelligence and a rush to war mentality by both parties and the Bush administration. Also show me another incident under Obama to compare with 9/11. Obama doubling down? Really George-show me the beef. Don’t get me wrong< Obama is not a very good President, just look at TPP and his cuddling with Repubs to get that atrocity passed as an example. I didn’t vote for him second time around but I’ll bet a fancy dinner you supported Bush II in 08. That’s the difference between us. You are tied to the Republican party as the only option and will vote for any piece of crap they put up on the ticket.

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   George Rebane

   20 July 2015

   PaulE 333pm – when you blame 9/11 on Bush2, then this conversation is over. Bush2’s rear window infractions were anything but palpable, Obama’s through the windshield disasters were visible to all with a 3-digit IQ.

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9. 

   Don Bessee

   20 July 2015

   Ah, the truther in PE on full display. Unreal.

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10. 

    Paul Emery

    20 July 2015

    I didn’t blame Bush II for 9/11. What I said was it was under his watch and his CIA raised flags that were widely ignored by the administration. Of this there is no doubt. Iraq is a different matter entirely. The point is that Bush was a lousy President. That was known in 04′ yet he was re-elected and supported by what appears to be genetic Republicans that populate this blog.

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    Walt

    20 July 2015

    Paul loves to live in the past. ( with plenty of revisionism) He just can’t deal with the “here and now”.
    Seem we have another ” teflon Don”. This time it’s “The Donald”. The GOP has their panties in a knot because he just keeps gaining steam with us “working stiffs”. The GOP has stabbed us in the back one too many times. We put them into office because “they” were going to take “O” to the woodshed.. Yup,, then used their limp noodles and flogged him but good… Uh,, right?
    The Left brings all guns to bear with full broadside blasts,,, yet the bullet points just bounce off. Even the LIB news hatchet jobs have blown up in their collective faces.
    Just like the staged CBS Ford truck fuel tank explosions.
    Trump knows how to eat an elephant. One bite at a time.

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12. 

    Walt

    20 July 2015

    Paul.. Bush was 20 times the Pres. than the present piece of,,,,…”work” is.
    BTW,, Bush was just HOW MANY days into his Presidency? and the Intel crew was still full of Clinton clowns. ( Repub hating LIBS) Clinton could have had OBL’s head on a plate, but refused it.
    Ya. take shots at Bush, but give Queen Nancy and Dirty Harry a pass.

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    George Rebane

    20 July 2015

    PaulE 620pm – There is absolutely no evidence that the CIA raised any actionable flag foretelling the attacks of 9/1l. That is an unsubstantiated myth that has been repeated by far left outlets for the last decade. And if there were any truth to it, then it would be an extremely easy thing to cite. Had such evidence existed, it would be known world wide and Bush2 would now be living in shame. So cite something substantial Paul that is not innuendo from the Daily Kos or Huffington Post.

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    Paul Emery

    20 July 2015

    Walt
    Bush kept the “Clinton Clowns” long after 9/11. Once they signed on as part of his they became Bush’s Clowns”. Tenet didn’t leave till 2004, three years after 9/11.. Bush kept him on long after he provided the faulty intelligence that Bush used to justify the war in Iraq. The CIA did sound the alert on Osama Bin Ladin with the now revealed emergency meeting with the White House.
    “Tenet met with his counterterrorism chief, J. Cofer Black, at CIA headquarters to review the latest on Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist organization. Black laid out the case, consisting of communications intercepts and other top-secret intelligence showing the increasing likelihood that al-Qaeda would soon attack the United States. It was a mass of fragments and dots that nonetheless made a compelling case, so compelling to Tenet that he decided he and Black should go to the White House immediately.
    Tenet called Condoleezza Rice, then national security adviser, from the car and said he needed to see her right away. There was no practical way she could refuse such a request from the CIA director. ”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000282.html

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15. 

    Jon

    20 July 2015

    Walt, have fun with Don Trump now because he will NEVER be President. He will be slaughtered, drawn and quartered by any Democratic nominee. A landslide, and one I can only fantasize about. But Donnie-I say second month of primaries at most, likely gone before that. Will be due to some very bizarre reason. The Party powerbrokers and moneyhandlers will see to his demise.

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16. 

    Jon

    20 July 2015

    On the Climate front, NOAA report for June as promised.
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c63df4a057ea4685b9e2c7d559bb57fc/another-month-another-global-heat-record-broken-far
    Ready boys- deny, deny, deny. Its month after blazing month, after blazing month.

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17. 

    joe smith

    20 July 2015

    Yes Jon- Trump has never had any vision of being president, he has figured out a way to leverage the system to bring him untold wealth with very little effort. First and foremost Trump knows how to make money. In terms of “stupid is as stupid does”, the Tea Party is low hanging fruit. Trump will force the GOP to squirm to the tune of unlimited dollars to make him go away.

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18. 

    Russ

    20 July 2015

    Paul Emory has a untreatable leftist desease, know as Bush Derangement Syndrome. It is like all incurable diseases one just has to learn to live with it, including family, friends and others who comes in contact with the person carrying the disease. It is most unfortunate as the disease can be debilitating, causing one to dwell on the past, unable to intellectually move forward to address new ideas, concepts and issues. Sad, very sad.

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    Paul Emery

    20 July 2015

    Knock it off Russ. I was responding to Georges unsubstantiated statement that Obama is the worst President in modern times. So far he has not offered a tid bit of substance when I challenged him to make real comparisons of Bush and Obama based on established historical events. I offer you the same challenge if you want to take it up. Otherwise this is just partisan babble and nothing else. Don’t take this as my endorsement of Obama as a good President . My record is clear on this and he didn’t get my vote second time around, something that not many on this blog can say about their support for Bush in 04′. By then his incompetence was well established.

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    George Rebane

    20 July 2015

    PaulE 806pm – did I miss an established historical event, of say, the CIA flags about 9/11? And you seem to have a metric in mind to compare presidents – what is it?
    I would say that Obamacare, losing the mid-east gains left to him, the worst SecState in memory, Benghazi, IRS scandals, EPA rum amok, Ukraine, South China Sea, Syria, ISIS, Libya, … the list goes on and on. But the conversation is moot because none of these qualify as “tid bits of substance” to a progressive. 86

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21. 

    Don Bessee

    20 July 2015

    ‘make real comparisons of Bush and0 based on established historical events.’ Established by whom? You, like your BS truther 9/11 charge? Lame. No more valid than FDR let Pearl Harbor happen to get in the war.

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    Paul Emery

    20 July 2015

    Don, George
    Has there been a greater foreign policy error than the war in Iraq in modern times? If so let me know.

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23. 

    George Rebane

    20 July 2015

    DonB 832pm – Your point reinforces what I stated in my 808am. But all a liberal can do is send the CCC in reply. The conversation is pointless.
    For example, consider PaulE’s naïve 835pm. Everyone knows that Vietnam was ten times any error connected to Gulf2.

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24. 

    Russ

    20 July 2015

    PaulE@08:06PM
    I think it would be best to let historians decide who was the worst President. They will have a better perspective, I am too close to events, which had or have an impact on my personal life to make a valid judgment. I voted for Bush, but did not agree will all of his policies, however, I did admire his ability to state US military objectives and then let the military do their job. And, when they made mistakes, Bush took the heat. This is in stark contract to our current President, who is a first class control freak who makes all the decisions, but when sh*t happens he refuses to accept responsibility. I will let the historians decide who showed the most leadership skills and made the decisions with the most positive long-term impact on the future of the nation. That will be one history lesson that I will miss, having long departed for places unknown.

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25. 

    Jon

    20 July 2015

    George, how was Vietnam 10 times the error connected to Iraq? More American dead in Nam, but the cost of war to the United States was greater, even when measured in current dollars, and its still growing. Strategically in world relations, Iraq was ten times worse than Vietnam! Or more.

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26. 

    Jon

    20 July 2015

    meant to say…cost of IRAQ War greater than Vietnam, even in 2015 dollars.

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27. 

    Bill Tozer

    20 July 2015

    Just cause a lib says it and passionately believes it, it does not make it true, credible, or make it so. Not even close 20% of the time. Just because someone writes a song, believes it is a great song, and plays it in front of the drunks down at the honkytonk, does not make the lyrics true..

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    Paul Emery

    20 July 2015

    George
    It’s surprising to me that you consider the Viet Nam war to be a mistake. I thought you considered it to be a necessary cold war Communist curtailment action. The similarities to Iraq are profound when you consider that justification for the war was the phoney Bay of Tonkin incident that is much like the erroneous WMD’s in Iraq. Perhaps we are more in agreement than I thought on American foreign policy.

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29. 

    Don Bessee

    20 July 2015

    Well gee PE your 835 leaves me with too much to type. Lets see, 0’s iran deal that exponentially increases the likelihood of a nuclear exchange in the meddle east with all that chain of events implies. Much like the Nazi’s hoodwinking the big countries like Britons,remember Chamberlin waving the bit of paper with a hitler scrawl as peace in out time. LOL! WWI, you get the drift. Allowing the whole Stalin administration that had infiltrated our govt. worse than any McCarty claims, including live updates from Los Alamos. What was his count 100 millions?

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    Paul Emery

    20 July 2015

    Don
    You are speculating on what might happen based on what you claim did happen. In the case of Iraq what DID happen was we ignored the lessons on Nation Building, case in point being Viet Nam. Your view on Iraq is your opinion not a matter of fact such as the war in Iraq. There are many who disagree with your assumption on Iran, One thing for sure is is not a fact, like the war in Iraq, of a failed and disastrous foreign policy.

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31. 

    Jon

    20 July 2015

    Tozer, cost is roughly 800 billion+ for Iraq vs. 730 billion for Vietnam.
    Iraq costs keep climbing with healthcare and ongoing military expense. All data here easily located.

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32. 

    Jon

    20 July 2015

    While the local Spiro Agnew types on here whine and moan about all the bad things about renewable energy, here’s a great story about how they are transforming the former rust belt blight, in of all places, Buffalo, NY! Capitalism, forward thinking entrepeneurs and leadership that gets it. Economic growth through renewables! Who knew? Exciting times.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/21/business/energy-environment/the-wind-and-sun-are-bringing-the-shine-back-to-buffalo.html

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33. 

    Bill Tozer

    20 July 2015

    Jon. yep, it’s getting more expensive to kill ragheads than what it cost us to kill gooks. That we agree on. No armored Humvees, just bombs that fell from sky, Hueys and jeeps. Oh yeah, and a little defoliate. None of this new fangled drone stuff operated by soldiers safety in America. With the price of these new toys and inflation, It makes a man want to go isolationist I can assure you.

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    Paul Emery

    20 July 2015

    Typo 9:43
    Shouls have read ” Your view on Iran is your opinion not a matter of fact such as the war in Iraq.”

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35. 

    Walt

    20 July 2015

    Ever since Vietnam, LIBS have been great at losing conflicts. We kicked some butt when Repubs were running the wars, and when LIBS took over we ended up kissing enemy butt.
    ( had to dumb it down so “jon” can comprehend.)
    And since “jon” never had the balls to enlist, whatever his smartass comment will be is null and void.
    Paul. You can add “O” being the Father of ISIS to his list of accomplishments.
    They were born under his watch, when “O” made that GREAT decision to pull all the troops out. That sure worked out well.
    Glenn Beck sure called the fall of the Middle East. Even back when he was on FOX, he mapped it out. You can find those clips on youtube.
    Place your bets. Will a nuke go off before “O” is out of office?
    He has just about handed one over to the camel jockeys. Side bet. Israel or the U.S.?
    Don’t forget N. Korea has grown a set of balls too, looking to screw with us.
    Then there is the loose cannon Putin knowing “O” is nutless.

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36. 

    Bill Tozer

    20 July 2015

    Shouls have read “should”, Shouls? 🙂
    Yo Jon, it was real, it was fun, but it wasn’t real fun. That was before Star Wars. Boots on the ground is an expensive endevneur. . Let’s take a walk down memory lane while the bean counters add up the costs and tell us about the point of dimishing returns via the teletype machine. Oh yeah, these are the faces of the young men who were spat upon by the liberals on US soil under orders to not responde nor react, lest we forget. Some will never forget what the liberals thought of them. Music, mistral
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWEv9Q0XQ4.

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37. 

    Bill Tozer

    20 July 2015

    Obama said there are no red states, no blue states, just The United States. Reagen said there is no left or right. Somehow I believe the old guy over the new guy.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3hY1eagq88

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    Bill Tozer

    20 July 2015

    Ok, good night y’all. A little Archy Bunker wisdom for your sweet dreamies.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqCS7Y_kME

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39. 

    Todd Juvinall

    21 July 2015

    I was informed that Jeff Pellinbe is now a supporter of Linda Cambell. I checked it out and he looks like he is. He also trashed me and RR and the Tea Party. So what’s new?
    “Pelline apparently supports hate speech as long as it is against the tea party or conservatives. Any wonder why that fellow is a small marginal player in the local scene? A reader saw an article on Pelline’s blog where he excoriates the Union’s George Boardman for calling for the nutty Linda Campbell’s resignation from the School Board. Of course the leftwingnut Pelline can’t help himself and tosses me and others into his hate filled diatribe. But that is OK, I believe even nuts like Pelline have a right to criticize.
    The difference between Pelline and the rest of the community (except for the two or three nuts that post comments on his blog) is we do not seek “death to the right!” He and his ilk would rather have this Campbell woman in a position of authority over our children than a conservative posting a comment letter in the local paper!
    The Campbell email was anonymous to begin with so the Tea Party members had no idea it came from Campbell. The tone of the email frightened these Tea Party women and they reported it to the police. Pelline says that is an “overreach” I guess. And this is from a man who calls the Sheriff and reports that I linked to his FaceBook page! So in Pelline’s view of Campbell, he will or is becoming a bosom buddy with her and is wrapping his arms around her a a Trustee! I say she disqualified herself and I find total agreement with Boardman that she should immediately resign. She is bad for the community and her position of trust was compromised.”

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    George Boardman

    21 July 2015

    Jeffy never lets the facts get in the way when he’s telling his version of the story.
    He admits Campbell’s screed to the Tea Party was “ill-advised and childish,” but apparently that’s acceptable behavior for somebody who has a governance role in our local high school district.
    He says the Tea Party overreacted to the threat. Let’s see: They got an anonymous diatribe suggesting something bad might happen if they participated in the Fourth of July parade. Any prudent individual would at least give the police a call, as Pelline has been known to do.
    Pelline says I have an axe to grind with the high school district because The Union lost a Freedom of Information suit. Not at all. I just like to point out the buffoonery that takes place on the board, such as the decision to retain two teachers at a cost of $155,000 who can’t be justified because of falling enrollment.
    Finally, Jeffy says I practice self preservation by pandering to the hard right and Tea Party. That would explain why I have written columns calling for more gun control, criticizing climate skeptics,supporting same-sex marriage, and taken numerous other positions that don’t set well with conservatives.
    Given some of the stories I heard when he was editing The Union, Jeffy will find it hard to believe that nobody tells me what to write about. Brian Hamilton learns the subject of my column when I file it Friday morning.
    The money The Union pays me isn’t enough to change my lifestyle. Unlike Pelline, I don’t have to kiss anybody’s ass to make a living.

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41. 

    fish

    21 July 2015

    Posted by: George Boardman | 21 July 2015 at 10:30 AM
    If nothing else George I appreciate that you refrain from employing the royal “we”.

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42. 

    Bill Tozer

    21 July 2015

    I must agree with Mr. Boardman 100%. You can and should expect someone of my ill manners, crude behavior, and hair trigger temperament to go over the top and totally lose it. But even lowly I have higher standards for anyone in position of authority over our children, our community’s children. Think she is just in it to pick up some extra dollars during her Golden Years. It takes a village idiot to teach a child I suppose..
    Mr. Boardman, prior to your arrival in The Hills of Health, the sow bug sharped one was pestering, jabbing, and stabbing on this site once upon a time. After singing the praises of the virtues of government run public education, it was brought to the attention of His Lardship that his own offspring attended private school and where. A nice private Catholic School or something.
    Well, Mt St Pelline erupted on that one. His bride even hopped in the action about endangering the life of their child, now apparently a sitting duck to terrorists and psychopaths lurching in the deep recesses of depravity. The Boogieman cometh.
    Get this. The lovely couple even called the police to evaluate the threat, ROFLMAO.
    You can’t make this stuff up. When he was employed by a local Western Nevada County newspaper, he wrote stories about his football playing nephew at Bear Rivet, including, of course, a detailed description of what the student ate from the family Bar-B-Que. it was ribs, but I digress. Name, age, grade, the whole shebang.
    Every year our local newspaper publishes the lists of honor students, sports team members, school club members, 4-H kids, etc. But when someday mentions his kid (without mentioning name or age or probably sex), His Highnass gets so out of sorts he could of threaded a sewing needle on the sewing machine while it is running. Too funny. A splendid time to remind all readers great and small that His Excellentass has Sheriff Royal on speed dial!, ROTFLMAO. Make him stop, of please, make the Michelein Tire Man stop. This is killing me. Boo!
    It’s never been better.

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43. 

    George Rebane

    21 July 2015

    GeorgeB 1030am – Little can be added to Mr Tozer’s 1221pm, save that Pelline, besides being a nasty piece of work, has so many areas of deep ignorance and yet enjoys displaying them for all to see. It boggles the mind to have someone identify you as being partial to the Right. Nevertheless Mr Boardman, whether your ideological contributions hit or miss the (conservatarian) mark makes no nevermind here. Your views always provide a welcome dimension to the discussions in which you participate. Et illegitimi non carborundum 😉

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44. 

    Don Bessee

    21 July 2015

    Dr. R 104 – 😉 Nobody getting ground down around here other than he who’s name we shall not utter. LOL

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45. 

    Gregory

    21 July 2015

    Now that, once again, I’ve a half decent computer up and running with all my old files, it’s probably time to put Campbell’s love notes to me in one long screed in an open letter. How that woman was able to thrive in the academic basement of our local high school district should be a shame to all, and the current board and administration should be the ones to help Ms.Campbell find something better suited to her talents and energy than representing the voters and parents of Nevada County in the oversight of the high school district.
    Integral to what passed (to some) as an apology by Campbell was a rerunning of that completely off-the-wall piece of hers regarding Capitalism, and her volunteering to teach classes on the constitution for local right wing groups… how was that taken as an apology by anyone? I’ve never read anything less sincere outside of a Pelline blog post. “I am incredibly passionate not only about the Constitution itself, but the history of the people and the time period in which it was created,” Campbell writes in the letter. “I taught both subjects based on documented and well-researched information in a professional, non-ideological approach.”
    Absolutely nothing I’ve read from this woman, starting with her absolutely off base, incorrect ad hominem rantings regarding Common Core in her letter to the editor smearing me in May 2014, was documented, well researched, professional or non-ideological, let alone all four.
    Here’s a link where Ms.Cambell’s prior letter was ripped into shreds
    http://www.theunion.com/opinion/15788020-113/greg-goodknight-common-cored-indeed
    BTW my suggested title was just “Common Cored”, in my opinion both clever and appropriate. I’d also like to suggest that, since the average college graduate earned a 1080 Math + Verbal SAT in high school, that we set a minimum SAT for anyone wishing to teach in K-12 public schools; I’d like that to be 1080 but 950 (roughly equivalent to an IQ of 95) is probably more defensible for an average. Campbell claims to have a high IQ but I think that claim needs to be taken with a truckfull of salt.

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46. 

    Don Bessee

    21 July 2015

    So what do we call them now? There were no native Americans according to todays report in Science from the center for geogenetics. Siberians walked to north America on the glaciers 25k years ago or less in one big wave DNA shows. They then broke into two groups, one who we call native Americans and the other is the eskimos. They all immigrated here too! So are they Siberian Americans now?

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    Don Bessee

    21 July 2015

    0’s economic and immigration policies have been devastating to children of color in the US. Under 0 total child poverty jumped to 22% by 2013, for blacks it is 40%! They further report that 31% of all kids lived in homes with nobody holding a regular job. Not to mention the disparate employment patterns of native v foreign born, with all the new jobs essentially going to foreign born. Ya that open boarder has done great things for wages and children especially those of color! LOL

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48. 

    Michael R. Kesti

    21 July 2015

    Bill Tozer 21July15 at 12:21 PM
    “…gets so out of sorts he could of threaded a sewing needle…”
    Please. “Could have” or “could’ve.”

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49. 

    Bill Tozer

    21 July 2015

    Thank you Mr.Kesti. Honestly, I looked at that sentence 3 times with that nagging feeling that it did not sound right. Them couldas and wouldas always leave me shouldas all over myself. I stand naked and unarmed before the World Court on this one. I offer no excuse, no plausible explanation save I have no idea where that butchered grammar came from. 🙂

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50. 

    fish

    21 July 2015

    Who could have there would be fraud in the ObamaPhone program!?
    http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/07/20/fcc-commissioner-outraged-at-what-cbs4-investigation-revealed-about-free-phone-program

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