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Sandbox – 10jul15

10 July 2015

[Hopefully the Donald Trump dust-up will work itself out in 3jul15 sandbox, and this one can expand on the new thread of illegal aliens and states rights. But it's only a hope. gjr]

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206 responses to “Sandbox – 10jul15”

fish

12 July 2015

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 12 July 2015 at 12:36 PM
I’d prefer a less biased source……DHS…..well okay then!

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George Rebane

12 July 2015

StevenF 1236pm – Interesting data plot. It’s more than a bit of what is known as a ‘gee whiz graph’ in the business. The raw deportation numbers per se are not anchored to population, Hispanic population, estimated illegal alien ingress, or anything that lets a knowledgeable reader compare border security performance under the various presidents. What’s more clear is that Bush2 basically handed Obama the border security and deportation system which Obama then maintained at the raw number level while ingress levels have naturally increased. If so, then border security performance under Obama has declined. Meanwhile the actual number of resident illegal aliens in the country is multi-fold the 11M bandied about in the press. Coulter does a good job in reporting and documenting that to which no progressive voice has been raised.

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fish

12 July 2015

In 2014, each of these factors affected ICE operations and contributed to the number of ICE’s FY 2014 removals, which was 315,943, down from 368,644 in FY 2013. This report sets forth and analyzes ICE’s FY 2014 immigration enforcement statistics.
Perhaps that that coincides with the last election. Deportations seem to be on the wane now that it has passed.
http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/images/ICE%20FY14%20Report_20141218_0.pdf

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Todd Juvinall

12 July 2015

Frisch I am not interested in your history rewrites. The proof is right there for all to see. Readers please don’t pay attention to the lib rewrites. All one needs to do is read the newspaper or rent a history book to know Mr. Frisch is peddling BS.

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Todd Juvinall

12 July 2015

Fish, I am really familiar with how bureaucrats think and the kind of “research” they do. Mr. F is a consummate bureaucrat. Not trustworthy. (they plagiarize all the time)

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Jon

12 July 2015

Where is the proof for all to see, Todd?

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Steven Frisch

12 July 2015

Posted by: fish | 12 July 2015 at 12:56 PM
Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 12 July 2015 at 12:59 PM
I made a statement, that President Obama had deported more aliens than any other President, and I backed it up with figures from a trusted source. We could look at other sources and they would show substantively the same thing.
I never said, “more as a % of immigrants’, as George seems to be implying (although data would support the fact that the raw number of illegal immigrants has actually declined since the recession).
Todd, if you think I plagiarized [sic], it is up to you to contend the DHS statistics. I doubt you can, but go for it.
The is a classic example of how facts that don’t support your beliefs are dismissed out of hand, proving you are bringing half a wit to the table.

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Steven Frisch

12 July 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 12 July 2015 at 12:57 PM
YES, please, go rent some books from the libary! 🙂

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Jon

12 July 2015

Steve, I just rented a few yesterday! LOL. I think Todd is still renting VHS from his local video store.

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Jon

12 July 2015

“China has been a big buyer.” So say Greg about CA Munis.
Not at all true. Actually they are a very small time buyer up until now. Perhaps some Chinese are recently moving money to CA bonds as a safe haven during the recent bursting bubble there. CA muni prices have moved up very nicely in the last 3 weeks.

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fish

12 July 2015

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 12 July 2015 at 01:27 PM
I made a statement, that President Obama had deported more aliens than any other President, and I backed it up with figures from a trusted source. We could look at other sources and they would show substantively the same thing.
Indeed you did. I don’t fully trust the government statistics especially when presented by a painfully politicized department like DHS. I never trusted the DOJ reports either.
If you have corroborating sources (preferably from external organizations) I’m happy to see them.
Again I do note that under President “I’ll have more flexibility after my next/last election” ICE/DHS organizations seem to be deporting less now that the latest Obama sacrament to democracy has occurred.

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George Rebane

12 July 2015

StevenF 127pm – No implication from me beyond what you claimed and what was backed up by the DHS. I was not really even criticizing you, but the (to me) obvious message that the DHS wanted to send.
For the interested reader – the subject graphic is formally known as ‘information’ since it contains ‘data formatted to support specific decisions’. Here to convince the viewer (i.e. let viewer decide) that Obama is toughest on illegal aliens. To distinguish between information and data, we may recall that the formal definition of data is ‘facts and beliefs about the real world’. The astute reader will immediately conclude correctly that multiple information sets can be constructed from any given data set.

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George Rebane

12 July 2015

‘FBI, DOJ Colluded with IRS, Lerner to “Bring Criminal Charges” Against Conservatives’ Well here’s something that neither the lamestream nor progressives will touch. This will be a very deserved gift that keeps on giving during this election cycle.
http://www.redstate.com/2015/07/08/bombshell-fbi-doj-colluded-irs-lerner-bring-criminal-charges-conservatives/

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Todd Juvinall

12 July 2015

The “deportations” of a greater number are not to be trusted. What has changed under Obama is his Border Patrol sends people back at the border crossings and claims that as a deportation. In the past it was not counted that way at all. So, FISH is correct not to trust the information.

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Steven Frisch

12 July 2015

Posted by: fish | 12 July 2015 at 01:40 PM
Posted by: George Rebane | 12 July 2015 at 01:43 PM
With all due respect after looking briefly at reports from The Heritage Foundation, The Reason Foundation, the Congressional Research Service, The Cato Institute, and the National Foundation for American Policy (a non-partisan think tank specializing in immigration and largely populated by former Bush II officials0, they all accept these figures. You may not trust DHS statistics, but researchers in the field do.

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George Rebane

12 July 2015

ToddJ 200pm – Excellent point. That and other dodgy counting conventions used under this administration require more care than usual in accepting govt stats at face value. Nevertheless, even StevenF’s 1236pm graphic is revealing.
StevenF 210pm – I took the DHS figures at face value. What needs to be clarified is how ‘deportation’ is defined, and has it been redefined under Obama’s watch. The border turn-around counts were well reported on FN and other conservative outlets. For obvious reasons the other side did not contend the Obama DHS definition.
Here’s what the 12mar14 Washington Times reported – “Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/12/deportations-come-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all

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Steven Frisch

12 July 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 12 July 2015 at 02:00 PM
Could you perhaps source that statement Todd?

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fish

12 July 2015

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 12 July 2015 at 02:10 PM
I’ll take a look…..

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Steven Frisch

12 July 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 12 July 2015 at 02:12 PM
Seriously guys if you are going to contend that DHS is cooking the books you have to present some evidence besides “we don’t like Obama.”

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George Rebane

12 July 2015

StevenF 218pm – I could launch into a harangue about leftwing news, but you’ve already made my point. Please read my 212pm.

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Don Bessee

12 July 2015

Oh the laughs keep on coming from the peanut gallery. The DHS game it, no not them well notwithstanding Eric Holder, fast and furious, opening the boarders and lying to a federal judge about having granted amnesty to what was it 10, 100 thousand? Then lie to the judge that no you didn’t violate his order to stay the program. That DHS? LOL!

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fish

12 July 2015

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 12 July 2015 at 02:18 PM
Seriously Steve if you believe that fudging the numbers is beyond the pale for a greasy politician and his appointees you are hopelessly naive.
You presented sources for corroboration. I and maybe one or two others will take a look and respond!
Have a beer and relax.

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George Rebane

12 July 2015

fish 243pm – Mr fish, read the thread, the response is given and cited.

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fish

12 July 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 12 July 2015 at 02:46 PM
That’s fine George. Steve has named some potential sources that “the experts in the field” use…..I’m going to give them a look.

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George Rebane

12 July 2015

fish 300pm – Looking forward to your research. I was not surprised to find an ‘expert’ with an Hispanic last name at Pew Research citing and using the non-comparative DHS deportation numbers without even a blink of an eye. I guess it all depends on what point each is trying to prove 😉

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Todd Juvinall

12 July 2015

The Obama sycophants have changed the definitions for numerous other things. Immigration deportations as GeorgeR has noted and even unemployment stats. GNP as well. All to suit the fantasy that Obama is a success. Orwell would be proud of the way Obama and his ilk have mangled common language to fit their political ends. Thank goodness we have other sources and a few whistle-blowers in the government.

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fish

12 July 2015

From Heritage.org (1 through 5 of the most relevant results – 2014 articles/links)
1 – 25 of 81 Most Relevant Results
POSTED ON MONDAY, MARCH 03, 2014
Lamar Smith to DHS Chief: Obama ‘Inflates’ Deportation Numbers (VIDEO)
A Texas congressman sharply disputed claims of record deportations of illegal immigrants on President Obama’s watch when the new secretary of the Department of Homeland …
POSTED ON SATURDAY, AUGUST 02, 2014
House Conservatives Curb Obama’s Deportation Delays as Price of Border Deal
House Republicans worked overtime last night to pass two bills addressing the border crisis — measures all but certain to die in the Senate — …
POSTED ON SUNDAY, OCTOBER 19, 2014
Contrary to What You Hear, Obama Is Deporting Fewer, Allowing More Criminals to Stay
Total deportations by U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement shrunk by 15 percent between 2013 and 2014, according to a new report by the Center for Immigration …
POSTED ON FRIDAY, MARCH 14, 2014
DHS Chief Jeh Johnson Confirms Inflation of Deportation Numbers
Jeh Johnson, President Obama’s new secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, this week admitted that “a very large fraction” of deportations aren’t really that …
POSTED ON MONDAY, JUNE 30, 2014
Obama Asks for $2 Billion in Emergency Funds to Slow Border Crossings, Speed Deportations
President Obama asked Congress today for more than $2 billion in emergency funds to manage the surge of illegal Central American immigrants at the South …

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Todd Juvinall

12 July 2015

They cook the books. Just like eco non-profits do to fleece the taxpayers.

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fish

12 July 2015

From reason.com (no coherent presentation or results for “Obama Deportations)
Cherry picked in no particular order
1) Obama trying to force the DACA issue – http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/26/court-refuses-to-let-obamas-immigration
2) A little more in line with Mr Frischs claim with the likely political motivation behind it. “But it’s not for nothing that he’s considered a deporter-in-chief given that he spawned this program for the sole purpose of boosting his deportation numbers and his re-election prospects in 2012. – http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/25/shikha-dalmia-on-obamas-nasty-stop-finge
3) Restatement of item 2 with more on the likely motivations for the action – http://reason.com/archives/2015/02/25/obama-is-no-bff-of-latino-immigrants-or#.akjbhq:tabJ
4) A not unflattering description of Mr. Obamas amnesty exec order – http://reason.com/archives/2014/11/24/obamas-immigration-order-dispels-fear#.akjbhq:7DeG
This is all I’m linking to from reason.com because it doesn’t sort easily…..your mileage may vary.
Still the two stories (2 & 3) bolster my argument that the increase in deportations in the last two years of his first term were politically motivated and why they seem to be falling off drastically post election.

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fish

12 July 2015

Congressional Research Service…….search term Obama Deportations
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Not sure how much help this is……type in the name of the administration and the governmental action and you get book chat, Citizenship Pathways and Border Protection: Canada, more book chat! Not particularly helpful unless you have a research staff like Steve does. Eh…..give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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Gregory

12 July 2015

What is more important, deportation numbers, whatever the definition, or the sweetening of the pot for the ones who cross the border illegally without getting stopped?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/illegal-immigrants-could-receive-social-security-medicare-under-obama-action/2014/11/25/571caefe-74d4-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html
Citing past deportation statistics are pure red herring window dressings, and illegal work permit shenanigans is moving a Federal judge close to finding administration functionaries in contempt of court.

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George Rebane

12 July 2015

fish 556pm – what was the purpose of posting all that copy&paste text?

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Paul Emery

12 July 2015

Todd
The proper word is “checkout”not rent books from the library. Do you ever do it?

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fish

12 July 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 12 July 2015 at 09:25 PM
Submitted as examples from relevant sources that “experts in the field” use to support the arguments similar to those Mr. Frisch was attempting to make.
Not sure that they were particularly “helpful”. It would appear that the spike in deportations were as you thought……politically motivated shenanigans surrounding the statistical methodology.

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Bill Tozer

12 July 2015

Going back 50 or so comments, what in the tarnation is wrong with ant-immigrant, unless it is an invasion of fire ants or some kind of killer bee ants? Then it is not against our core values to be ant-immigrant. I figure I don’t have much say in the matter on a large scale where ants migrate to.
Love how the Foggy Mountain spin doctors say we hard core extremists are against immigrates. By definition that must include legal residents and legal immigrants/guests along with the bad apples, aka, illegal aliens. Good try there libholes.
Anyway, when we beckon the huddled masses, the poor, and the downtrodden to our amber waves of grain, boy o boy, are they going to be in for a shock here in The Golden State. All their spare dollars going into paying for The Brown Streak via the unbiased, fair, and color blind gas pump.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/survey-us-gasoline-prices-cents-past-weeks-32399652

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larry wirth

13 July 2015

What Johnson actually said is “I’ll have all the niggers voting Democrat for the next two hundred years.” And so it was. Not sure how that that helps things…

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larry wirth

13 July 2015

And with all the contenders, I’m not sure who the worst would be. Carter? Clinton? Obama? Probably Johnson, since he was the most intelligent. Great crop1

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larry wirth

13 July 2015

Actually, I’m pretty sure Obama is the stupidist (and most dishonest) person ever elected to the office. Our collective bad. Time passing doesn’t seem to improve matters.

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George Boardman

13 July 2015

RE Larry Wirth’s 12:15 AM:
What’s your source for this alleged quote? Some paranoid Web site out there in fantasy land?

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fish

13 July 2015

Posted by: George Boardman | 13 July 2015 at 10:16 AM
It’s from Ronald Kessler’s book Inside the White House: The Hidden Lives of the Modern Presidents and the Secrets of the World’s Most Powerful Institution.
Noted local historian Steve Frisch disputes this quote…..and provides the following
http://w-dervish.blogspot.com/2014/01/highly-dubious-lbj-quote-what-it-says.html
……given Lyndons tendency to use less than PC language it wouldn’t surprise me in the least that he said it!
You guys always get so teary eyed when the “brand” is tarnished.
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2088gl

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Todd Juvinall

13 July 2015

LarryW, I recall seeing that quote too.

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fish

13 July 2015

Posted by: George Boardman | 13 July 2015 at 10:16 AM
From Quora.com
http://www.quora.com/Did-LBJ-really-say-Ill-have-those-n*****s-voting-Democrat-for-two-hundred-years-when-passing-the-Great-Society-legislation
“The first known record of this quote is from Ronald Kessler’s book Inside the White House: The Hidden Lives of the Modern Presidents and the Secrets of the World’s Most Powerful Institution, writing in 1996, a good 30 years after Johnson potentially said those words. Of course, that doesn’t disprove anything, just casts reasonable doubt.
The comments in the AskHistorians thread confirm that the quote is consistent with Johnson’s language in that he often used the n-word. However, the quote is not consistent with the sentiments he conveyed in other private conversations. He truly believed in equal rights, he just lived at a time when someone could say the n-word and no one would think anything of it.”
Noted local historian Steve Frisch offers dispute and rebuttal here:
http://w-dervish.blogspot.com/2014/01/highly-dubious-lbj-quote-what-it-says.html

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Walt

13 July 2015

Saw Boardman’s hit job on gun owners today. As usual from a Lefty point of view fails to mention ANYTHING about citizens stopping crime with a gun, yet plenty can be found.
Just last week a gun shop owner stopped a break in, and sent one would be “street” gun salesman to a permanent dirt nap.
How many gun laws are already on the books Boardman? Yes, you did mention in passing the gun stolen from a Fed officer. How come not a word on who that was, and what HIS punishment will be? He failed to properly store HIS weapon. ( and “expert”,, and “well trained”)
How come no mention of Chicago? Strictest anti gun laws in the nation.. Uh,, hows that work’n out?
Those “statistics” you site are as questionable as global warming, since they come from the same line of “anti” thinking, and book cooking.
You keep your gun locked up. Good luck getting it if you need it. ” wait Mr. thug while I remember where I put the key to the safe” ( or trying to fumble with the lock combination)
I suggest you invest in a police scanner, and listen to just what goes on in this county. See how long it takes for a 911 dispatch till any given cop shows up.
There was a break in right down the road from me over the weekend. The homeowner got the drop on the bastards, yet they still got away to rip someone else off. It took ten minutes for the law to arrive.
Thanks to the Ca. thug protection act, many crimes there WERE felonies are now misdemeanors. Including GUN THEFT! How does that play into your anti gun diatribe?
A criminal doesn’t care how many laws you pass. They love your line of thinking.

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Russ Steele

13 July 2015

Fifteen thousand people showed up at Trump event in Phoenix on Saturday, easily the largest rally of any 2016 Presidential contender to date. According to news reports people were turned way by the fire marshall, there was no room for them in the facility.
This song, “Pissed Off Redneck,” captures the building frustration of those in real America, which is precisely what Trump is tapping into. People are angry with the established political parties D or R and it showing.
https://youtu.be/FBh6lL6a7gE
Enjoy!

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Todd Juvinall

13 July 2015

I had to keep myself from puking while listening to Hill-Billy this morning. She must feel real confident the lamestream media won’t attack her credibility on income inequality as she spewed forth so much BS. Boardman will just love her. She fits the bill.

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Ben Emery

13 July 2015

A Clinton or Bush in the executive branch for another New World Order administration will plunge the entire planet into a recession/ depression like nothing anyone has ever experienced. The planets are lining up for it to happen, its up to everyday working class people to stop it. Are we in the US brave enough and strong enough to actually vote the R and D inside the beltway out of power? I have been doing it for 20 years but it is a very difficult product to sell.

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George Rebane

13 July 2015

re BenE’s 303pm – Both Emerys hereabouts don’t like the Republicrats. I repeat my exhortation to mobilize your fine sentiments. Get to work convincing a far left party to run in 2016, and we’ll do our best to get your party together with a more conservatarian party from the right. Remember both parties have to enter this race together; just one won’t work.
Hint: Trump is already rumored to be thinking about it; can you get ol’ Bernie to put together a Green Socialist party (I know that the moniker repeats itself, but it sounds good)?

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fish

13 July 2015

Hey George….did you kill my comment responding to George B about the LBJ comment?

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George Rebane

13 July 2015

fish 324pm – No, but TypePad in its infinite wisdom spammed two of your GeorgeB comments both of which I republished. Let me know which one you want to survive. Apologies.

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fish

13 July 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 13 July 2015 at 03:29 PM
No preference. Thanks for resurrecting it!

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