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Economic development in Nevada County must address what many of us see as the three legs of the county’s existing economy – IT based industry, tourism, and retirees.  Absent public service employees, these are the three main cash importers.  There are initiatives in place to attract more IT companies through increased broadband availability and a new business incubator in the plans.

But not much is being done to boost the other two areas.  (Yesterday’s NC Bike Race Classic was a sad commentary on tourism.)  Additionally, aging retirees who want to downsize from their big houses on acres of land are forced to seek their next abodes elsewhere (quality condos, smaller houses in protected neighborhoods, variable care communities, …).  Tourism is suffering because we don’t have enough quality beds at reasonable prices to attract more weekend visitors who want to attend evening performances from our rich palette of cultural offerings – Music in the Mountains, In Concert Sierra, Center for the Arts, theaters, the fairground, … .

RLCrabb150621People driving up here from the flats would rather have a nice dinner, attend a performance (or two), perhaps enjoy an after dinner libation, and then hit the sack instead of driving two plus hours, tired and three sheets to the wind, to get back home.  They would much rather wake up refreshed, have a good breakfast or brunch, and then be on their way.  The boost to our economy that such a weekend agenda would provide, multiplied a thousand times, is not hard to imagine.  Another decent hotel or two, and a proper performance center would fit the bill nicely.

But in addition to the intrinsic financial risks that such projects normally entail, our county and cities add on their own regulatory and procedural burdens as recently pointed by our RL Bob Crabb in the nearby cartoon filched from The Union.  Our electeds deny all this by putting the onus on those dumb and good-for-nothing outsiders who are not bellying up to the Planning Department counters with their project plans.  But reality advises otherwise, Nevada County’s ‘development friendly’ reputation is known far and wide.  And without our chambers of commerce and planning jurisdictions actively simplifying the development processes, and then inviting people to come up here and see the opportunities, nothing much more will happen in these woods.  Tourists won’t come and retirees will continue to leak out at greater than replacement rates.

Anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is in the news again with the Pope’s controversial encyclical and the next UN global warming conference in the fall.  Here on RR the debate between the Skeptics and True Believers has revived in spades to the point where one reader (True Believer) has challenged another reader (Skeptic) to a public debate in which the TB promises to maximally embarrass the Skeptic, presumably by exposing the Skeptic’s case allegedly based on both weak science and a fundamental misunderstanding of the involved science.  Here are my two cents on this challenge.

The problem is that the TB has no technical credentials and bases his belief in AGW on politically sponsored reports, at least twice removed, that cite discredited datasets, ignore major areas of science impacting earth’s climate, and evince profound ignorance about the design, care, and feeding of complex climate models (the so-called General Circulation Models, GCMs).  At the same time the Skeptic is a scientifically read and astute engineer, fully credentialed with multiple degrees that attest his technological pedigree.  I began thinking about the conduct of such a media reported/recorded debate, and who would derive what profit from it.  The bottom line is that I couldn’t think of any way that such a debate between those two would shed useful light on the issue, or in any way contribute toward a resolution of it in the minds of its most likely audience.

This conclusion is abetted when we consider the TB’s more complete resume that includes being a well-practiced and rehearsed activist for almost all the leftwing causes and initiatives that have made California into the taxed, regulated, indebted, and economic basket case that it is today.  The TB will have no alternative but to spout today’s made-simple for broad, unread audiences, and politicized ‘consensus science’.  And the Skeptic will be forced to take his refuting arguments to the next technical levels where few, if any, will be able to follow – all the while the TB baselessly disparaging every one of those arguments in a manner that elicits uncritical nodding heads among the gruberized, and leaves the others numb.  Everyone knows that such audiences have been meticulously prepared to either ignore or mistrust all uncomfortable and confrontational arguments about AGW aka global warming aka climate change.

What’s more disturbing is that the entire True Believer society has for some time been quite comfortable with the way their message has massaged the masses.  Team Gore, to their strategic credit, even refuses to put their best scientists on a stage with skeptical scientists to discuss the evidence in front of a technically knowledgeable audience.  While the skeptics contend every emerging piece of IPCC’s evidence for AGW in its detail, their arguments are summarily ignored.  The only recognition of the Skeptics is a vague reference to them as ‘Climate Change Deniers’, or worse, ‘Climate Deniers’, inferring the existence of a discredited knuckle-dragging, flat earth bunch howling in the wings.

And the saddest part for our overall body politic is that such debates are now beyond the pale for many other socially important issues that relate to numbers and/or science.  And, of course, they all do.  My conclusion is that polarized dumbth (q.v.) has reached a level in the land such that only slogans shouted across the chasm serve as an acceptable substitute for dialogue.

[23jun15 update]  The topic of saving the world’s sovereign nation-states and distinct, regionally anchored cultures has long been a topic of debate and discussion on RR.  The EU is now in the throes of attempting to reconcile a good-sounding but poorly thought theory of how manage fractional or partial sovereignty.  And the problem comes down to the question of what is a border.  It turns out that having complete control of your borders is fundamental to a people’s self-determination.  Europe is rediscovering that now, and we (at least the progressive ‘we’) in America don’t have a clue.  A strongly recommended read on this is ‘What Borders Mean to Europe’ by Stratfor’s George Friedman.  The piece is like a periscope into our own future, a future that is already underway.

[27jun15 update]  In the late 00s I talked Jo Ann into letting me become a student pilot.  Reluctantly she gave permission (which I still don’t have for riding a motorcycle) and I started my lessons at Alpine Aviation under the tutelage of owner Gordon Mills.  Anyway, I progressed appropriately and on a sunny day soloed – three takeoffs and landings, followed by a longer ‘victory lap’ solo flight over these Sierra foothills, especially beautiful when you’re alone in the airplane.  The cross country phase of training followed with my taking the occasional solo flights in the single-engine, low-wing Diamond DA-20.

In my defense contractor days I was privileged to work with men I consider to be the best pilots in the world – carrier based, light attack – these guys (gals?) fly their F-18s so low as to occasionally get tree branches in their undercarriage.  I worked with the squadrons at Lemoore (light attack) NAS and Whidbey Island (medium attack) NAS in the design of advanced in cockpit displays for successful penetration of complex sensor and SAM fields during target in/egress.  From my naval aviator colleagues I learned about ‘OK-3’ carrier landings – tailhooking the third of four arresting cables that puts your aircraft in the optimum spot on the deck for rapid repositioning, thereby allowing a tight final approach pattern to get returning fuel-starved aircraft quickly onboard with a minimum of fuss.  The logged OK-3 landings on a pilot’s record were very important to good assignments, promotions, and general bragging rights within a talented, exclusive, yet very competitive comradery.

So during a solo flight on final to Nevada County KGOO’s 25 (runway), I decided to nail an OK-3 landing.  I picked my precise touchdown point (where my ‘tailhook’ was going to snag the ‘#3 cable’) and set my glide path appropriately.  Well guess what? your junior league aviator nailed the KO-3, but in so doing sacrificed my flare so that I touched down what might charitably be characterized as a mite hard – and porpoised, bouncing back in the air.  When I brought that bucking DA-20 safely on the runway, I felt pretty red-faced knowing that someone else had probably seen that crappy landing and was grinning ear-to-ear.

Anyway, since landings have always been my favorite part of flying an airplane, I decided to taxi back, take-off again, go around the pattern, and redeem myself.  This I did, but as I was making my take-off run, I noticed that the airplane somehow seemed to be underpowered.  I was puzzled since the engine sounded normal as I lifted off after a longer than normal run and then went around.  After landing again (no OK-3 this time) I taxied back to the Alpine hangar to report on my experience.  Gordon came out and discovered that I had shredded six-inches of the propeller’s tips, which explained the weak performance of the aircraft on the second go around.  Anyway, that turned out to be an expensive flight, but a valuable lesson in piloting.

I continued my flight training after that, but was convinced by a same-age friend who had abandoned his own flight training, that I should also reconsider going on with something for which I would have limited time in the future.  The convincing argument, reinforced by Jo Ann, was that infrequent pilots who do not keep up their hours are a danger to themselves and others when they do climb into the cockpit as Pilot In Charge.  The stats tell the story, especially for older flyers.  So now I wistfully consider just going back and flying with an instructor on windy afternoons coming in on final in a steep forward-slip, then converting into a side-slip before touchdown.  Fun stuff, even if it isn’t an OK-3.

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181 responses to “Scattershots – 22jun15 (updated 27jun15)”

  1. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    We didn’t take in the race yesterday or the Blue Grass Festival.
    It wasn’t always that way. My grandparents bought land here in 1929 and I was up here at 3 weeks of age on the 4th of July 1951. I’m not an ‘old timer’ but I remember the Purity Market on Broad and going to SPD when they first opened.
    The reason we didn’t attend any of the usual events yesterday was due mainly to the fact that we are clearing out. No one else in the family is in the position of living here and I’ve had enough of this state. We will miss the beauty and the weather, but I can no longer stomach handing money over to a corrupt and lawless govt. We’ll be here maybe a few more months and then we’re off to Idaho. We will miss our friends and miss what I had always thought was our family’s legacy until I was no longer. Idaho is not perfect. No place is. Our taxes will be remarkably the same, overall. But when I pay for something, I’ll get value in return. And no one is trying to jack up the price of energy as punishment for being evil for using energy. In a way, for most of you folks out there in virtual land, nothing will change. I’ll still be right here. And of course, we’ll come back and visit.
    We will have a brand new, 2100 sq ft home with all of the usual nice amenities and a huge 3 car garage in a quiet dead end street with 2.6 acres near BLM land and a view of the Boise Mountains to the east and the Owyhee Mountains to the west. For the price of an old dump with 1/2 the square footage and .66 acres. It’s just down the road – I checked.
    No matter what the leftys here all say, I’m not rich and I like to be able to afford what I live in.
    Not really going away mad. Somewhat sad and resigned. I love it here, but I know when I’m outnumbered. I can tolerate a difference of opinion, but not insanity and stupidity.
    The left always talks about how wonderful democracy is, and this voter is casting his ballot with his wallet and his feet.

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    Scott…..good for you!
    You can watch California implode from a distance!

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  3. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Scott,
    Good for you! Sad and resigned, yes. But new opportunities await. Wish more of the terribly unhappy people who comment on this blog would adopt the same attitude.

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 22 June 2015 at 07:41 PM
    Sorry jeffy …….you seem to be stuck with us.

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  5. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Scott, kudos for following through on your desires. Best wishes. I have friends in Idaho who love it, some beautiful country, but don’t think I could fathom the drives to the Coast and Tahoe. Housing values are great. Some things remain, the dry western fire danger and the impacts from climate change.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/politics/effects-of-climate-change-could-cost-billions-epa-report-says.html

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Yep, Jeffy is stuck with us. But hey, he is a silver spooner and has no problems. What a dope.

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  7. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    We have a bunch of friends that moved from Nevada County to Coeur D’Alene. They love it. Safe travels.

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Regarding the debate between a true scientific fellow and a political tool from Truckee. You are right GeorgeR, it would a tough one for the Denier since he is into that boring stuff, the facts. The Truckee troll though, astute in political activism will have all those politician tools we all seem to hate in America. I recall NH2020 was a favorite of the troll and he even carted it around the county for the Gang. He lost his ass as did the gang once the folks saw the ruse. But, you are probably right, slogans and Iphone mentality seem to be prevalent now and as Jesse Waters says, “this is my world and you are in it”.

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  9. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Also Scott, as this retired journalist, a Pocatello native, points out (and this has been my experience too) “I’ve seen the flag in the rear window of pickups in Idaho.”:
    http://www.pocatelloshops.com/new_blogs/politics/?p=10936
    So you’ll never feel far from your former home in western Nevada County!

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, for one thing, I do self identify myself as a physicist and engineer, with matching degrees. I also passed through the skeptic phase in March 2007 on my way to out and out scoffer, when it came to accepting catastrophic effects on the evidence at hand. That has only gotten stronger; while it’s been clear from the beginning CO2 has a temperature impact, it’s now clearly smaller than natural variations with the “cosmoclimatological” effects misidentified as positive feedbacks from the CO2 temperature perturbations. No positive feedbacks, no catastrophe, no catastrophe, no cause for alarm.
    And no, I wouldn’t be forced to take even more technical positions when faced with emotional appeals to the consensus. I’m perfectly good with picking apart the Frischian BS by noting which fallacies he’s using. In fact, he posted a link to the cartoon poster of the classic fallacies that he keeps handy, supposedly to keep from falling into them but I’ve come to the conclusion that, like the FUE, he relies on them to “win” arguments.
    Stevie’s cartoon version:
    http://thespudd.com/wp-content/uploads/logical-fallacies.png
    Cute, huh?
    I think it much more likely that Stephen Frisch, six figure CEO of the wretchedly misnamed rent-seeking Sierra Business Council, has figured out he can’t win at a war of the written word and he has nothing to lose by the invention of this outlandish “debate” as a rhetorical device. Part of that is that his standard tactics are honed for use against right wing conservatives, not left-center libertarians with 100+ Grateful Dead concerts and one visit to Timothy Leary’s house in their past. Stevie and Jeffie just can’t handle arguments with people more pro-choice than they are.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Urinalist is more like it. Only the news that’s unfit to print. Hell. It take a lot to get sent pack’n from a small town paper. Even LIBS rarely visit that blog.
    Mr. R’s pages here gets more traffic than a Frisco LIB could ever dream of.

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  12. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Walt,
    Is that hardhat covering up your bald head? LOL.

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  13. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Jeff, surely not a lot of value under that awning, regardless of a few matted hairs.
    Worst news of all for Walt is that Walmart today announced it was scrapping everything and anything with a Confederate Flag symbol.
    Progress comes slowly, but it always comes.

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  14. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Yes, I figure that sent him reeling. Check out “Walt’s” comments: http://profile.typepad.com/6p017d3c0b77a7970c
    At least they’re in one place for perpetuity.

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    It’s really creepy when two of jeffys personalities are in the same room together.

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  16. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    David Larsen of Carmichael (AKA “fish”). Nope, we’re different people. And there’s more of us — millions in fact — where that came from. The Ca. population is 38 million. Might be time to pack up for Idaho. LOL.

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Todd, the “Truckee Troll” was using standard “Delphi” techniques to control and guide the NH2020 ‘town hall meetings’ to the predetermined conclusions that SBC was hired to guide the sheeple towards. If you recognize the game being played it can be countered. In fact, with just about any debate, recognizing the game being played by your opponent is half the battle. It isn’t about baffling the audience with your prowess, though that can help.
    I’ve had the climate discussion with a number of lefties and they can be very receptive to science arguments. It helps if all the BS conservative cliches are avoided. No, it isn’t a hoax, just bad science, and let me tell you how it came about.
    I almost feel bad for the Vatican but they probably need to get their knuckles rapped with a ruler every four centuries or so as a reminder to stay away from science.

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  18. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Gregory is still smarting from the statewide (and countywide) defeat of Prop. 23. Ouch.

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    Millions……that’s a bit much jeffy….even the most troubled multiple personality patient only had 30 or so.
    Keep reaching for the “stars” though!

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  20. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    “fish,” your perspective is so irrelevant that you have to retreat from Carmichael to western Nevada County to be “head.” ROFLOL.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 22 June 2015 at 09:28 PM
    Those are all words you can find in the dictionary…..I’ve just never seen them arranged that oddly before.
    Two bottle night ….huh Jeff? Chili fries tonight too?

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  22. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    “fish,” you can’t keep relying on the same old narrative to overcome your own irrelevancy. You are a nobody in Carmichael who is trying to be a somebody in western Nevada County. But you are still a “small fish in a small pond.” Give it up, man.

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Oh jeffy…..I’m a nobody in Western Nevada County too…..not a real mover and “shaker” like you.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    OK, we are again enjoying the company of Mr Jeff Pelline. Is there no other venue for his considerable wit? I don’t want this comment stream to become another tiresome mudball exchange with our lonely retired journalist from whom we still await a position statement relevant to the topics at hand.

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    I’ve offered to do this over at jeffys…..apparently he suffers from a nasty case of premature moderation.

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  26. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    George,
    This is about the most unfocused, illiterate and unaccountable venue imaginable — “fish,” “Walt,” “gregory,” etc. Just coming to wish “Scott” well. Sort of like the California migration version of “Ten Little Indians.” LOL.

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  27. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    George, to be fair, if you want to talk about positive statements relevant to the topics at hand- can I ask what has fish contributed to the betterment of most of threads on this blog? I hope you can sincerely assess that comparison without your conservative bias at play.

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  28. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    George. My point is that Nevada County’s efforts at economic growth are greatly hampered by being located in a stagnant California. Scott’s testimony is simply further evidence.

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Yeah…..it’s oh so much better at “No Comment Junction”. How’s Gloria these days?

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  30. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    And let’s not forget “topics at hand” being defined as “scattershots” or “sandbox.” ROFLOL. [One then wonders why this man continues to grace us with his considerable presence. But no matter, for his own good, it’s time for another time out. gjr]

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    BarryP 940pm – An excellent essay on California’s population problem – net out-migration by our most productive cohort. Quoting from the piece –
    “Even though economic growth and California’s net domestic migration aren’t highly correlated, the Golden State’s poor overall business climate likely is affecting its migration patterns. California’s litigious nature, high tax regime, and excess regulatory environment make the Golden State unfavorable to business development. The state’s high cost of living due to restrictive development policies and high energy costs make California an expensive place to live. This leads to young professionals leaving and incentivizes immigrants to look elsewhere, leaving behind an aging resident population.
    There is no silver bullet to return California to the population dynamic of the 1990’s when population growth exceeded, on average, 1% annually. Still, Sacramento needs to prioritize making California a holistically attractive place for young working professionals to start a business, start a career, start a family, and encourage others to do the same.”
    And these pages are replete with the progressive sentiments that have made it so.

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 22 June 2015 at 09:47 PM
    As I’ve said on numerous occasions…..I will happily depart when our host tires of my antics.
    All you have to do is ask him.

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  33. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Exactly. Nevada County is getting older just like the rest of the state. Nevada County is cursed by being anchored to a progressive legislature that fails to appreciate the unintended consequences of their progressive agenda. Our local reps do the best they can considering.

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Barry, I think we do have a problem here in the state with the democrat legislature and Gov. Have you seen the budget? The people have lost their noggins. If Apple wasn’t importing those millions og Iphones made in Red China, the state would have no moey! We need a Republican in charge.

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  35. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    I don’t want Kali to implode (or explode!) and I’m not leaving with a chip on my shoulder or an attitude. I wish everyone here well. One thing I won’t have to worry about is forest fires. Our lot is located on ag land and there’s not much of anything to burn. So – no fires, earthquakes, tornadoes, floods – sounds pretty boring, actually. There are 3 rivers nearby for kayaking and the Bogus ski area is about 45 minutes away. I’m getting up to speed with the local politics, but still need to learn more. Won’t be moving in until fall, so I’m still a tax paying Californian for now and will complain about everything that’s not right about this state until then.
    I’ll tell you one thing I found already about the ruling party in Idaho – they hired Larry Craig as their financial chair of their executive committee. Really? That’s the best they could do? I hope no one from the Rs tries to sign me up after I move there. They’ll get an earful from me about that.

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    California will miss your input ScottO. You really know how to put a liberal in their place. Hope you keep it up.
    Hey Fish, I watched the last twenty minutes of the Godfather and lo and behold there was “FISH”! From the comedy cop show Barney Miller I think? Anyway, keep on posting you witty and demonstrable words.

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  37. Russ Steele Avatar

    George writes and interesting article that deserves some discussion, and the comment threat is full of non-sense bull sh*t by the “fish” and the FUE. What a waste of bandwidth.
    Scott, when I was growing up my family alternated between living in Nevada County and Lemhi County, Idaho. I graduated from Salmon High and went to Idaho State for two years before joining the Air Force. I wrote a book about my adventures in Idaho, Cobalt: The Legacy of the Blackbird Mine.
    Since retiring, we have made more trips to Idaho than any other state. It is a great place to live in the spring, summer and fall, but winters can be a challenge. Many of our friends who live in Idaho winter in Arizona, snow birds in RV parks. One RV resort we visit hosts 20-25 couples from Salmon every year. We considered moving to Idaho, but it was too far from the grandkids in Roseville.
    Wish you the best of times in the great state of Idaho.

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  38. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Scott, that was funny to hear about Larry Craig…he of the mistakenly shuffling feet in the airport stall. A great Republican hero to many in your future state apparently…so watch the comments about the popular Mr. Craig if you want to be accepted in Idaho circles. These guys just cannot go away and herd cattle or plant potatoes fast enough.

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Sounds like the liberal lament land is so bereft of relevance he has to come to RR so someone actually sees his name and nonsense. Can the dark lord of liberal lament land be his own pellineophile? He really needs a fanboy. 😉

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I guess Pelline got tired of animating Annie Fox.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    Yes, the Lefty law writers have done a great job regulating the county and state right out of business. Why build here. when the same money can get you much more somewhere else?
    Nevada Co. isn’t the only pretty place. I know a few that are heading just North of the state line.
    I got a good taste of over bearing construction regs just fixing my old deck. OH the joys a mandatory building permit will generate.
    You can build two homes for the price of one in just about any other state. People who like to keep their money are going elsewhere to retire.
    They Co. I work for built 5 to 10 new driveways a year in the past. Just one this year.
    Work is WAY down.
    Yup,, more regulations and fees are just what we need…(NOT)

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    You completly ignore the reality of the huge impact of the cultivation industry in our county. Why did you choose to do that? It is real money. Millions of dollars. The impact on our schools,businesses and real estate is huge.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I have not gone to a financial planner as my older brother and youngest sister have done. Both live in very nice houses in nice areas, have led hard working middle class lives and one lives on the California coast and the other lives near The Regan Presidential Library on their private 3 acre pond.vBoth sought and obtained retirement planning advice by different financial planners in their respective areas.
    Both were told the same thing: Leave California. My sister was surprised and stunned to learn that if they stay in California, their money would run out within 2-3 years. This is from my sister and her husband that paid cash putting 5 kids through college, 4 of which attended Cal, the school with “the great marching band.”
    My Brother (the one that lives on the bluffs overlooking the ocean in a big house fully paid for) worked two to three jobs (even in the Marine Corps) and has retired from the lab he was in charge of, a chemist by trade. He was told his money would run out (despite his ingrained frugal habits) in about 8 years. He was told to get the hell out of California as well.
    Make what you will of it. I probably will follow suit as well.. And I was born in California as well as both my blood parents. Once lived in Northern Idaho. Great place. Little regulations in all aspects of one’s life. Make that all aspects of one’s life were not regulated nor taxed. Imitate that. Cheap housing, buy or rent. It was a great Beatiful place back in the day. Then the California’s started moving up there and ruint everything.
    A word to the wise. If moving to Northern Idaho, tell them you are from Missoula or Spokane or Sioux City…anywhere but the airborne disease infested Bay Area known as “California”. It does not matter if you say you’re from Nevada City or Penn Valley, or Beautiful Downtown Blithe, its all crazy Californians to them.

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  44. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Tozer, lets be honest- if their money will run out in 2-3 years in CA, it will likely last 4 years tops in another state. CA is one of the better places to stay if you’re lucky being holed up in your house under Prop. 13. The state tax differential in other areas just isn’t that big. And other states have personal property taxes as well. I must say, a place like FL- you can’t beat the financial numbers, but if that the ONLY test you care about, happy trails in relocating to the hot humid, hurricane risky home of Jeb!

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    In the 1960’s and 70’s the City of Ashland, Jeffersn County and the State of Oregon invested millions in the development of the Shakespeare Festival which is why it is such a developed industry today. Government grants accomplished that. We give pathetic support for the arts in Nevada County. This is what could have been.
    “In 2013, a typical year, 108,388 individuals bought 407,787 tickets, seeing an average of 3.76 plays each. Of these, 92,234 people were visitors to the area spending $54,534,565, excluding their theater tickets. Added to the $32,233,543 in actual Festival expenditures, the direct contribution to the local economy in 2013 was $86,768,108. The total contribution based on the multiplier effect brought total impact to $251,627,515.
    http://www.oregonbusiness.com/the-latest/4360-oregon-shakespeare-festival-shatters-records-for-attendance-and-revenue

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, Ashland also had a state college to anchor the festival.
    It’s pure silliness to think the ingredients existing in Ashland were ever in Nevada County.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Jon, I am a West Coast boy now. Never been to FLA, but I heard ithe surrounding neighborhoods of Miami are just like being in Lima or Bogata, cities I am well acquainted with. I really don’t care for Peru, but Colombia or Nicarguana is more my style. Ecuador is nice in the hill country and hidden spots. Gas was 50 cents a gallon 3 years ago, healthcare for ex-pats about 50 bucks a month with good hospitals and seeing a real doctor and fresh cut long stemmed roses was about 9 cents for the romantic. Eating out is about 3 bucks for a good 3 course meal, maybe 9 bucks for the full blown 5 course fancy restaurant dinner. Of course, one must avoid Quinto like the plague, and avoid all cities south of San Diego. Strike that. Avoid all cities everywhere in the Western Hemisphere. :). Good climate near the Equator and being a West Coast Boy, I prefer the west side of the Andes. But that is just me.
    Central Ametica has gone down the tubes because of the drug routes, drug trade, drug turf wars, drug violence, and now even the mules are snorting meth. Sad. Drugs have destroyed a region once known as a good place to have a siesta. Colombia today is not your Colombia of 25 years ago. It’s a viable option. Not cheap there as other comparable places, though.
    If I wanted to move to Panama City (have job and place waiting in the wings) I would rather move to Vegas, which is not very damn likely. Costa Rica is now a den of petty thieves and not safe for women. Another sad. Lived a bunch of places in The States and the choices are getting fewer to move to. Loved every place, but I have changed and have different priorities and wants. Been there, loved it, done that. Climate is more important to me now as my fingers can’t handle the cold. Actually, Tennessee had some good areas on the eastern side where you can make 9-11 bucks an hour and survive. Imagine that. Living good on a cab fare budget. You still can pick up a home for 70 grand, sell your home here, and live in hog’s heaven there. Just like the Bay Area People with their awful purple airborne diseases do when they sell their little shitholes in the Santuary City by the Bay and live high off the hog here. Or, just like people selling their homes here and moving to their own private Idaho. Ring around the roses, pocket full of poisies, ashes, ashes, we all fall down…here or there.
    There is no right place or right answer, only the right place and right answer for the specific indivual with their specific needs and wants and parameters.

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    Gregory

    “This is about the most unfocused, illiterate and unaccountable venue imaginable” -FUE 9:46PM
    This is from the guy who just had his LinkedIn mentioning his BA from Cal (it’s in Rhetoric but it took some coaxing for Jeff to own up to that) and a MA in Journalism; in short, you never got past the Trivial Arts. Hell, just among the revelers in my living room right now are two degrees in physics, one electrical engineering, another chemistry; from Harvey Mudd, Cal, LMU and Harvard, and it’s just my kid and me.
    You have nothing to add. You truly are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back.

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    Tozer 6/22/10:47pm – I wouldn’t worry too much about telling the locals in Sandpoint, Idaho, you are from Nevada County. There are dozens of ex-pat locals in Bonner County, many of them classmates of mine. The rest of the population are the children of my grandparents who moved there from here in the forties. They assumed Nevada County would dry up and die after the mines closed.

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