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Sandbox – 17jun15

17 June 2015

[Apologies for getting a little pissed in the 'Agnosticism vs Atheism' comment stream. Here's a new sandbox, the old one was getting more than full. gjr]

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390 responses to “Sandbox – 17jun15”

Michael R. Kesti

20 June 2015

Todd Juvinall 20Jun15 09:27 AM
What do you actually know about who he has hired, Todd, or are you still making it up as you go?

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Todd Juvinall

20 June 2015

You are a newcomer here. Go to his website and check it for yourself. Jeeze, do I have to hold your hand?

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Todd Juvinall

20 June 2015

Fish 9:37 AM
I am sure Firth, a longtme aide and close personal friend of Yee’s had no idea his boss was a gun runner. wink wink! Firth though he was anti-gun. You just can’t make this stuff up!

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Jon

20 June 2015

On the subject of recent well publicized hate crimes and acts of terror, Steve Frisch’s post today over at Sierra Foothills Report was one of most clear, defining, timely pieces of writing I’ve ever seen, ever.

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Todd Juvinall

20 June 2015

I would expect nothing less in praise from you Jonnie.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 10:20 AM
Ever?

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Jon

20 June 2015

Sweet little racist boy. You go, Son. Time for your first handgun.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/dylann-storm-roof-photos-website-charleston-church-shooting.html

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 10:24 AM
Again jeffy…..errr….”jon” why so snotty about this tragedy? Nobody here approves of what young Mr. Roof did. If you are so concerned about the proliferation of guns in society perhaps you should pen a sternly worded missive to Barack Obama and the rest of the democratic leadership.
They have truly been a godsend to the firearms industry.

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Jon

20 June 2015

fish, if you read Mr. Frisch’s piece, you know exactly why I am posting links like that. These ain’t LIBS raising these kids.

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Todd Juvinall

20 June 2015

Sure jonnie, those libs don’t have bad chillin. Jeeze. Libs just kill the kids before they get a chance to see the sun and take a breath. Yep, the sincerity of a lib cannot be questioned but only believed and accepted for the “good intentions”.
I guess now that jonnie has politicized this terrible act, I look forward to seeing him at the proson gates objecting to the death sentence being carried out.

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Jon

20 June 2015

Kudos to Mitt Romney for having the moral honesty to speak out about evil represented by the Confederate flag. Its what happens when you aren’t tied to the crazy base. What say you, other Repub candidates?…
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/20/mitt-romney-calls-for-removal-of-confederate-flag-at-south-carolina-capitol

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 10:34 AM
Nope! It would seem in this instance his father was quite the piece of work. If you want to see the killers who the LIBS raised you would need to look into the Columbine Massacre….good LIB parenting there (Read the article that Klebolds mother wrote. I’m sure her politics would pass your strictest scrutiny!). Or the fine young LIB who shot Congressman Giffords……Loughner…..democrat he (is that an indicator of mental illness…voting democrat? Hmmmm….perhaps a well funded, peer reviewed study will get us to the bottom of that conundrum)…his parents actions were exemplary. They disabled his car, took his gun and he still had his moment! Or the Aurora Colorado shooter……his father was a garbageman and his mom was a door to door vacuum salesman…..that practically screams conservative republican…..oh wait….dad was a Stanford educated mathematician and dear old mom an RN I can only guess at their ‘leanings”.
I’m not exactly convinced by your “reasoning” here jeffy…..err…”jon.

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Jon

20 June 2015

Southern crackers flying confederate flags do not vote for Dems or Libs. How about a little intellectual honesty there fish?

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Jon

20 June 2015

Todd, that’s right. The issue is politicized. I am only about the 10 millionith person who knows the issue will be political, whether you like it or not. The associated issues WILL be addressed in 2016.

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Jon

20 June 2015

Oh my. More frontpage news on subjects that the far right would like to bury… Young, more thoughtful Evangelicals waking up to concerns about the ENVIRONMENT.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/science/earth/for-faithful-social-justice-goals-demand-action-on-environment.html

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 10:51 AM
Don’t know? For years the democrats were the party of the KKK…did I miss a memo or something.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 10:55 AM
So what is it jeffy….are we celebrating the death of religion in the US or it’s cooption by the democrat party?

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Not that I don’t know more than a few “Libs” who have raised batshit crazy kids..the point I’m making is that the level of batshit crazy and hate filled present in Mr. Roof cannot go un-noticed, and instead he got a gun for his birthday.
Go here to read his manifesto (and see the pretty pictures of the south with him holding his gun like its and extension of his dick):
http://lastrhodesian.com
What I find amazing are the meme’s present in his manifesto that we find regularly repeated here….but without the N word. (Thanks for the comment stream from Gawker for starting me out.)
Blacks are the real racists!
George Zimmerman was right.
Blacks(and liberals) are obsessed with race and view everything through a racial sense.
Those ‘race hustlers’ stir up trouble.
Why am I blamed, I didn’t own slaves?
Slaves were treated better by their masters than our history tells us.
Why are we talking about whites killing blacks when blacks kill whites too?
Blacks act out inappropriately.
Suburbs are safer because there are more white people.
There are personality traits within the races.
We are ‘losing’ our ‘culture’.
Other cultures emulate ours because the know we are superior.
And as a commenter on Gawker pants out, “And then they would get offended if you were to call them a white supremacist.”

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 10:59 AM
Well thank god that that troubled young soul will be “riding the lightning” (Wonder if this will be making a comeback with the problems surrounding the chemicals used for state sanctioned executions) soon ridding the body politic of his “issues”.
Really? A “dick” comment…..didn’t know you were a Freudian Steve?

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Posted by: fish | 20 June 2015 at 10:56 AM
Yes you missed the memo in 1964 Fish–when Democrats gave up their southern prison and switched to being the party of civil rights and Republicans flocked over the next 20 years to the banners of fear and racism first hoisted by Barry Goldwater then picked up by Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 11:03 AM
“Banners Of Fear and Racism” oh my….so theatrical….so emotional!

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Posted by: fish | 20 June 2015 at 11:03 AM
I am merely pointing out that there is a common thread here of men posing with their guns…by the way, for a little steam of consciousness Freudian analysis check out Todd’s bromance picture of a young John Wayne :)….I remember a post by Mitch McDaniel of a 14 year old girl field stripping an AR 15 years ago….spoke volumes abut values. I guess if she had posed with a copy of Oedipus the King she would not have gotten nearly as much attention.
For people who are afraid of ‘losing our culture’ many here sure pick the basest in our culture as an example.

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Posted by: fish | 20 June 2015 at 11:07 AM
Hey I enjoy a good turn of a phrase…and if the banner of ignorance fits Fish, wave it proudly, for it will be your sword and your shield.

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fish

20 June 2015

What I find amazing are the meme’s present in his manifesto that we find regularly repeated here….but without the N word. (Thanks for the comment stream from Gawker for starting me out.)
MUST LINK PEOPLE I DISAGREE WITH POLITICALLY TO REPREHENSIBLE BELIEFS……..NGHUNNNNNN! atta boy Frankenstein go kill the villagers.
Blacks are the real racists! I think you’ll find plenty of racism within the black community
George Zimmerman was right. Apparently the States Attorney couldn’t put together a case they thought was a winner….The Obama Justice Department either…..
Blacks(and liberals) are obsessed with race and view everything through a racial sense. Is this even a question…..jeez Steve your a good lefty….go read Salon.
Those ‘race hustlers’ stir up trouble. Well now you’re not even trying
Why am I blamed, I didn’t own slaves? Indeed! Unless you’re a believer in collective punishment…..so I guess you “won’t be burying we dumbshits in love” then
Slaves were treated better by their masters than our history tells us.Nope!
Why are we talking about whites killing blacks when blacks kill whites too? So we should just ignore Black on White crime? Good to know who the real racist is!
Blacks act out inappropriately. ????
Suburbs are safer because there are more white people.Wow…you are really working in all your “pet” issues aren’t you.
….and more blah, blah, blah. I can’t believe I just wasted 7 minutes of my life on “Gawker” talking points.
There are personality traits within the races.
We are ‘losing’ our ‘culture’.
Other cultures emulate ours because the know we are superior.
And as a commenter on Gawker pants out, “And then they would get offended if you were to call them a white supremacist.”
Again….it’s “Gawker”. I can believe you nitwits refer to Gawker and yet have the temerity to criticize a “World Net Daily” or “Breitbart” cognitive dissonance much?

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 11:09 AM
I guess if she had posed with a copy of Oedipus the King she would not have gotten nearly as much attention.
I dare say that she would not!
66% of the South Carolina death count was racked up in a balcony accident in Berkeley this week. That would be your “Oedipus Rex” of recent mass fatalities.

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fish

20 June 2015

Must kill italics HTML code!

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Posted by: fish | 20 June 2015 at 11:24 AM
You fuc#ing idiot, I am not quoting Gawker, I used it to pass people through to the ‘manifesto.’ You can go read the manifesto on your own.
But I will state it loudly and proudly, I definitely believe that many people here are racists, and I posted similarities between the manifesto comments and comments made here over the years so readers can reflect on that.
I don’t expect any of you certified geniuses to buy that– you are too busy trying to protect your precious ‘culture’ from being sullied by inferior cultures–but I know readers will see the similarity.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 11:03 AM
Yes you missed the memo in 1964 Fish–when Democrats gave up their southern prison and switched to being the party of civil rights and Republicans flocked over the next 20 years to the banners of fear and racism first hoisted by Barry Goldwater then picked up by Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.
I guess that was right around the time that LBJ promised, “These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference… I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”.
Yep….nothing more liberating than getting out of a southern prison!

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fish

20 June 2015

You fuc#ing idiot, I am not quoting Gawker, I used it to pass people through to the ‘manifesto.’ You can go read the manifesto on your own.
It’s okay Steve…you’re an adult….you can say “fuck” here. Why would I be interested in the tortured ramblings of Dylan Roof any more than I’m interested in the tortured ramblings of a Steven Frisch?

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

By the way, don’t you think it is time all y’all put away that tired old ‘Democrats are the party of the KKK’ meme?
People are pretty smart. They know the reason that white southern crackers and white shoed country club types worried their belles would be sullied moved to the Republican party and made it the dominant party of the south is that Republicans embraced the racism of the fucking Klan under the guise of the Council of Conservative Citizens.
I think you do the people a disservice when you assume they don’t know history.

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Posted by: fish | 20 June 2015 at 11:38 AM
NOT A REAL QUOTE FISH……
http://w-dervish.blogspot.com/2014/01/highly-dubious-lbj-quote-what-it-says.html

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fish

20 June 2015

By the way, don’t you think it is time all y’all put away that tired old ‘Democrats are the party of the KKK’ meme?
Nope….own it Steve….it’s part of your political pedigree!
People are pretty smart. You’ll need to provide some proof of this bold statement.
I think you do the people a disservice when you assume they don’t know history. See item 2 above.

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Jon

20 June 2015

Steve, whats going to be really interesting now is which Republican candidates for President are going to finally step up and aggressively call out this cracker mentality, call out the flying of the Confederate Flag, call out everything you are talking about. Yes, with this horrific tragedy comes an opportunity for change. They will all have to answer for their Party’s tolerance of this stuff, and even its associations with hate groups.

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Posted by: fish | 20 June 2015 at 11:41 AM
Well, I guess is you are just going to comment like trained seal and not read the source material we will just have to see you for what you are, a lazy useful idiot.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 11:46 AM
Why? The Republican aren’t going to win the presidency in 2016. You said it yourself jeffy and perhaps our sole point of political agreement….Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president.

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 11:46 AM
My guess is none of them currently running are going to call it out….they are going to go all Christian on us and praise the lord for the good AME congregation and all they stand for and “bless them for forgiving the sinner:, but they are not going to call the sinner what he really is, a product of a racist southern society that glories the Confederacy.

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

i don’t think it is any accident that many of the same meme’s used here about race relations can be found in the white supremacist lexicon on-line and thus made it into Dylann Roof’s web site. It is code, and people here are expert at using code for hate, racism and intolerance.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 11:47 AM
Steve you said that it is a “racist manifesto”…..I knew that. That Mr. Roof is a racist is not at issue. What I’m interested in is the demonization of legally owned firearms and the lefts attempt to staple this to others who had nothing to do with this tragedy. jeffy posted here not a 1/2 hour after the event that we would need “Good luck with this one Boys” As if we had anything to do with it at all.

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Jon

20 June 2015

Steve, nothing like the hard right, rather than calling out the cracker mentality and the obsession with Old South symbols, we always see them returning to the old chestnut of pinning the KKK affliations on Southern Dems of 50 years ago, like they bear any resemblance to Progressive thinking of 2015. The people flying confederate battle flags in 2015- lets just guess the percentage supporting our President for example..

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 11:53 AM
Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link! Must always link!
You silly fucks are nothing if not predictable!

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Jon

20 June 2015

fish, no Jeffy here, you moron.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 11:54 AM
Steve, nothing like the hard right, rather than calling out the cracker mentality and the obsession with Old South symbols, we always see them returning to the old chestnut of pinning the KKK affliations on Southern Dems of 50 years ago, like they bear any resemblance to Progressive thinking of 2015.
Don’t run from it fat boy!
The people flying confederate battle flags in 2015- lets just guess the percentage supporting our President for example..
And these people would be……..?

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 11:56 AM
Don’t run from it fat boy!

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Jon

20 June 2015

Lets just watch the tortured group of Republican candidates finally have to answer to their party’s association with the cracker South, the battle flag in places like MI and SC. That SC primary looms…..

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Jon

20 June 2015

not MI, rather Ole Miss.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 11:53 AM
It is code, and people here are expert at using code for hate, racism and intolerance.
Well this a little more paranoid than I’m used to from the cool, rational, “see’s things as they are and not as we want them to be” Steve Frisch!
…and you cracked this “code”…..please tell me more…..!

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Jon

20 June 2015

fish, read the NYT, read Think Progress and you will learn more. We will leave it at what you’ve read today. Best of luck!

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steve frisch

20 June 2015

Fish you have everything to do with it…I am 100% behind Jeff’s comment, “Good luck with this one boys.”
The issue many are bringing up is not the individual responsibility for Mr. Roof’s actions, which I have posted elsewhere could not have been missed by friends, family and neighbors who had their eyes open, but the collective responsibility for supporting and being an apologist for a society that perpetuates racism and violence.
Every time George denies the true causes of the Civil War he is an apologist for racism.
Every time Todd misquotes civil rights leaders and calls them race baiters he is an apologist for racism.
Every time Walt says Zimmerman is a hero, or implies every shooting by a cop is justified, he is an apologist for racism.
Every time you demagogue the “Democrats are the KKK’ meme (and post false quotes without even checking them), you are an apologist for racism.
I don’t give a shit whether or not Roof’s .45 was legally owned, he never should have had it, period, and if he had been a Muslim teenager in Dearborn shooting up a Synagog you would be asking how the government could be so incompetent.
It does not take a rocket scientist (although in the case of our host perhaps a mad rocket scientist) to see the code constantly perpetuated on this site.

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fish

20 June 2015

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 12:01 PM
Such harsh talk!
I thought you were a moderate…..voting for both Democrats and Republicans. Had an “Art Moore for Congress” in your yard as evidence of your even handed bona fides?

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Jon

20 June 2015

Steve, unfortunately am not Jeff. But I am very happy to have posted that quick reaction to start the discussion, as it is happening all over America as we speak. Now lets see the right wing and Republican Party disassociate themselves with these symbols and hate mongers. That will be a silver lining here.

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