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George Rebane

In the 11jun15 sandbox a left-leaning reader pointed out the recent speech (here) of a California conservative assemblywoman who believes that God has intervened to bring drought upon our land as a corrective to punish us for our legalized practice of infanticide and abortions.  Another similarly leaning reader weighed in with his opinion that such expressions by Republican politicians will drive away the independent and undecided voters from Republican ranks.  How curious?

Apparently Democrats do not suffer from such interpretations and utterances by their politicians.  The long record of RR is overflowing with examples of one-sided blindness by our progressive commenters who send their fabled CCC (Collectivist Cricket Corps) to respond when they are reminded of leftwing politicians who think Pacific islands will tip over if over populated on one side or the other.  These extremes are daily joined by others of their ilk proposing patently insane social and economic policies that have never worked and cannot work because they fundamentally misinterpret human nature.  Yet when these are pointed out, not only in advance but also in their aftermath, our neighbors of the socialist tinge again respond through the good auspices of their CCC.  It is as if they are absolutely blind to the impact of their own nostrums, potions, and lotions which they hawk and apply to our body politic.

In contrast, the assemblywoman gave a perfectly plausible causal explanation in the context of her belief system, a belief system the verity of which science cannot disprove no matter the level of sneerage bestowed upon it from the secular humanist Left.  It was nobelist Richard Feynman who made that strong assertion years ago (here).  However, disproving the perennial prescriptions of progressives is a pursuit readily handled by middle-schoolers not yet cognitively castrated by public education.  No matter, the progressives go forward in their pursuit of elitist governance bestowed on democratic masses as if they had a solid record of accomplishments in their public policies portfolio.  We recall that Einstein perfectly labeled such dedicated repetitions perennially bereft of anticipated results.  And once more, they send the CCC into the breach.

The sad part of this tale is that such a liberal mind is now shared by an ever larger cohort of Americans during the new ‘post-intellectual’ age (e.g. Post-intellectualism and the Decline of Democracy, D.N. Wood, 1996).  The progressive elitists have created a perfect voting class that has little knowledge of how things work and even less of the world around them.  The dilemma of such a successful strategy is that the same class of the clueless are more and more difficult to employ with each succeeding year.  Then who will be the ‘other people’ whose money socialism requires to run its brave new world?

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302 responses to “The Liberal Mind – More examples of Reason Denied”

  1. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, thanks for your comments comparing Hilary and Trumpet. But please cite the reference where Hilary had to pay people to attend her events, the way Trumpet did. Thank you, and good night.

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  2. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Here’s a real downer to lighten up your pre-bedtime ritual. An angry white cracker with a gun strikes again killing 9 blacks in a church!
    Good luck with this one, boys.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/18/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-idUSKBN0OY06A20150618

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    American voters Walt would like to prevent from marking a ballot??? Jon, with that brilliant prose penned, it’s time for you to go to the john and reload on liberal refreshments. They deliver every Wednesday for free. And when the liberals cannot pay the bill anymore, the honey dipper truck still comes and delivers to those with the Liberal Mind. A word of caution. Many a lib love feast ended aprubtly when some stoner tripped and accidentally flushed the kook-aide punch bowl right down the toilet. It’s a crying shame.
    Walt will speak his piece, but there you go again and again. Making sure only those entitled to vote exercise their right to vote and their right to abstain from the ballot box is soooo harsh, soooooo unfair, sob.
    States that passed voter ID laws saw an uptick in minority turnout (each and every State that requires the minimum identification) and now the union goons in Michigan can’t load up bus loads paid Detriot street people and drive them to Madison, WI to vote. And if you ain’t a citizen (not a resident here but a real U.S. Citizen) you should never ever be able to vote in the current cycle. And dead folks have no business voting. They had their chance already.
    So, Jon from the john thinks we want to deny BLACK PEOPLE the right to vote. No, we don’t want to deny even shit for brains from voting. May be a passing thought to muse on, but, no, we won’t throw ourselves across the ballot box to keep even you from voting.
    There you go again Juannie, repeating your talking points. Oh, BTW, I do see why you gotta throw that old zinger at us again. Preventing Mexican Nationals from voting in National and Statewide elections and stopping a few of the thousands of union goons from conceiving ways to commit voter fraud must really put a burr in your saddle. It’s that blood I see dripping out?

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 17 June 2015 at 10:26 PM
    Lovely….the bodies are still warm and you’re doing some sort of twisted progressive”victory lap”.
    Why would you take this opportunity to try and make a cheap political point “jon”?

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Fish, in his heart “jonnie” is doing that victory lap. For me I am praying for the victims and their families. This in not acceptable in our country. This killer must be stopped and made to pay for this heinous crime. God bless those killed and injured.

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  6. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Fellows, I apologize for the ill advised exclamation point. There is no victory.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 07:42 AM
    More interested to know why you thought that any of the regulars here would, or have the need to, defend this crime?

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 1058pm – Mr Tozer, whenever we review that marvelous statistic about minority turnout increasing when voter IDs are required, why do our liberal commentators always respond with their CCC? There are so many aspects of reality that the progressive mind must ignore in order to maintain their worldview, surely this must be one of their main ones in a country like ours.
    fish 751am – I also share your anticipation for an answer to your question.

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  9. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, was simply posting the immediate horrific breaking news and adding my comment.

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  10. Patricia Smith Avatar

    George 9:25, no need to be condescending. Of course I condemn our government for abdicating their responsibility of running the prison system. This is yet another example of what happens when corpoartions buy off our elected officials. It’s not just that PRIVATE prisons are reaping profits off the slave labor of prisoners, it’s the fact that there is collusion to fill the prisons with a steady supply of workers by over sentencing, sending innocent people to jail, and lobbying for extended prison terms. I’m sure you do not condone this practice.
    And ponder this. Why should prisoners be paid .30 an hour? They are performing a service that provides profits for the prison and the corporation that receives the end products. (and don’t say they are paying for their room and board. Private prisons are paid by the State for each prisoner). If they are making a profit, why should the worker not share in the rewards? Most prisoners are released with very little money to make a new start. If they got a decent wage while working in prison, perhaps they could establish roots once they are released and turn their lives around. No wonder we have such a high recidivism rate in this country (which of course feeds the slave labor connection).
    Now we are locking up people who can’t pay for court costs or fines. The return of the debtor’s prison is here. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/debtors-prisons-report_n_4768320.html

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Jonnie, your false explanation is noted.
    Patricia, why should the taxpayers get hosed so many times and get nothing back? Hell you libs won’t even allow (through a gazillion lawsuits) the execution of child murderers and rapists. Why can’t we make these scum work off some of the $54,000 a year it costs to keep them in the slammer. If you want to have a bleeding heart for these scumbags, that is your right. Asking us for sympathy and outrage for them won’t work here for most.
    I say bring back the chain gang and other mechanisms to extract something from these TV watching, roof over their heads, free three squares a day scofflaws.
    Using “debtor’s prison” by you is too funny. If the people put into the clink were there for a debt they failed to pay you would be correct. We do not do that in America. Your sincere feelings for the murdering scum and rapists of our women is duly noted.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    PatriciaS 815am – I share your concern for judicial systems that are incentivized to game the law and sentencing protocols for profit. But I don’t share your solutions through the third party imposition of ‘fair practices’ – neither you nor I are qualified to prescribe what contracts others can enter into.
    My conservatarian solution is not to use the government gun to impose my morals on others, but to seek social solutions that remove the wrong incentives. Corporations and individuals “buy off our elected officials” for only one reason – because our elected officials have been given pernicious powers to sell. It’s easy to see where to reduce the size and role of government, just follow the lobbying monies. Selling favors should not be a built in function of governing.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Jon’s 10:26PM reminds me of a Tom Lehrer lyric from a half century ago:
    “We are the Folk Song Army,
    Every one of us… Cares!
    We all hate poverty, war and destruction,
    Unlike the rest of you squares.”
    Jon’s squealings of joy as he dips his hands in the blood of the innocent would seem to be rooted in a caricature of people here as angry white guys who are one step away from the same sort of racism and rampage.
    The more task oriented progressives may well use the tragedy to extend required background checks for interfamily gun transfers (the gun was apparently a birthday gift celebrating his 21st in April) whether or not the shooter would have passed that background test.

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  14. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Those who cannot accept my apology for placing using an exclamation point last night are beyond hope. Jackasses. Duly noted.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    Jon 940am – Your apology is accepted and appreciated. And if you have one, we await a more expansive analysis of what happened in Charleston, and its countrywide portents. I, for one, am anxious to discover that it was a random act of violence by an insane individual, such as may probabilistically occur in a large population that lives under a shrinking liberal social contract. As such, we cannot hope to eliminate such ‘tail events’ save at great expense to our liberties, and hence the ominous fracturing (destruction?) of the Bastiat Triangle of rights.

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  16. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The apostrophe wasn’t the problem, Jon. “Angry white cracker” and “good luck with this one, boys” was.
    What a jackass.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    <i.Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 09:40 AM
    Didn’t even note the exclamation point….nice dodge.
    Why the, “Good luck with this one, boys.”?

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 09:40 AM
    Your inner “jeffy” is showing “jon”.

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  19. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Gregory 9:56,
    Yes, the exclamation was the problem and not proper for any reference to a horrific tragedy. But I do disagree- “angry white cracker” was very appropriate. Nothing inaccurate about any of that. It actually should have read
    “Young, angry white, gun-toting, cracker.” And yes, glad to see the President raise the obvious point once again today about these things.

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  20. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Dr. Rebane,
    Thanks for your comment. Of course all of us are waiting for the background details on the cretin who committed the horrific crime. My description of him remains.

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  21. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Todd, 8:26. Are you incapable of separating PRIVATE from STATE run prisons? I’m not commenting on state run prisons – only private for-profit prisons paid with our tax dollars. And Todd, not all prisoners are in jail for violent crimes. Many are in for small-time drug possession and other non-violent crimes. Additionally, many people with mental disabilites are now sent to prison rather than health care facilities. According to a 2014 report by Human Rights Watch, “tough-on-crime” laws adopted since the 1980s have filled U.S. prisons with mostly nonviolent offenders.
    And you love to duck your head in the sand rather than use your own Google search engine to research topics. We have created a new form of debtors prisons in this country. I already posted one link that you obviously didn’t read, but there are many more links if you take the time to look. Here is some food for thought:
    http://www.npr.org/2014/05/21/313118629/supreme-court-ruling-not-enough-to-prevent-debtors-prisons
    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/02/locked-up-for-being-poor/386069/
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/12/13/388303/the-return-of-debtors-prisons-thousands-of-americans-jailed-for-not-paying-their-bills/
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/increasing-number-going-to-jail-for-not-paying-fines/article_8b8d2229-c7ad-5e7f-aea2-baeb13390880.html
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/courts-should-stop-jailing-people-being-poor
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/06/jail-for-unpaid-debt-a-reality-in-six-states-strategic-default-pushback-watch.html
    Is this enough substantiation for you? I expect crickets in response.

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    9:56 I wrote apostrophe instead of exclamation point. Color me red. Note to self, stop trying to “multitask”.

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 10:44 AM
    Why the, “Good luck with this one, boys.”?

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  24. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Patricia,
    Todd will never be accused of possessing crickets. Todd always comes back to double down on something he said which is provably wrong -than ever admit a mistaken comment. (ie, his continued denial of the proven fact that alcoholism is a disease).

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 11:18 AM
    Speaking of crickets…….

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Why the, “Good luck with this one, boys.”?
    Well since “jon” won’t answer let’s see if we can tease this statement out a bit. “Good luck with this one, boys.”
    Gun control “jon”? A pedestrian goal by proggie standards but still dear to your heart. Some nitwit shoots up a church and the sheer scope of the tragedy arouses progressives like “jon” better than porno! Climb to the top of the pile of dead bodies and boldly announce your policy prescriptions. Make sure to elbow the grieving relatives out of the way first….you wouldnt’ want them hogging your moment now would you?! We saw the same thing after Sandy Hook.
    Why so little outrage regarding the 30 to 40 fatalities each weekend in Chicago, Philly, Baltimore and Camden? Because that diffuse and routine inner city crime that everybody just seems to accept doesn’t tug the heart strings like todays tragedy does it “jon”? It is ineffective for you politically isn’t it?!

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Fish
    What is your best guess as to how to keep guns out of the hands of psychotic killers?

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  28. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Jon 10:44
    The Charleston shooting was horrible!
    There’s an appropriate use of an exclamation point for the same event, “Jon”!
    Cracker remains a racial epithet, and “angry white” is a racist political epithet used far too often by progressives for anyone who is white and decidedly not “progressive”.
    ‘Good luck with this one, guys’ seeks to gift shared ownership of the blame with everyone who disagrees with Jon.
    What a jackass!

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Let me ask you the same question Gregory. What is your best guess as to how to keep guns out of the hands of psychotic killers?

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 18 June 2015 at 12:22 PM
    Your claiming he is psychotic Paul? I thought you guys were sticking with racsist on this one,

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  31. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    That’s right fish, the horrific daily inner city, lifestyle criminal-on-criminal crime doesn’t tug at the heart strings like last night’s racist-motivated, horrific execution of innocent church goers and leaders. That’s right, its perhaps a flaw in our human nature, but its true. Same reaction for me as for millions of Americans of all political stripes. Same thing with Sandy Hook- tears and a strong tug on the heartstrings. Perhaps these events are preventable crimes in the opinion of millions of Americans who would like to engage the topic of the easy access to guns in America. Young disturbed, racist-flag wearing Mr. Roof received a 45 handgun from dear-old-Dad for his birthday. So sweet.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Fish
    Anybody who randomly kills 9 people in a Church is psychotic in my view for whatever motivation. I’m interested in solutions not bickering that’s why I sent you the question about your ideas.

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  33. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Gregory, surely you’ve already read the stuff already flushed out about young disturbed Mr. Roof, who seemed to favor wearing flags of apartheid-era Rhodesia and South Africa. My conclusion stands. There’s a kid who could really appreciate that 45 from Dad.

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  34. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Paul, must disagree with your description of the shooting. From what we know already, that execution last night was hardly random.

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  35. Walt Avatar

    Another “gun free zone” didn’t live up to the billing.
    But of course, The LIB mind will blame the gun. This is where the usual LIB will start making excuses for the psychopath.
    Word has it he didn’t like Blacks and in a “Southern state” no less. Dollars to donuts, that would put him in the democrat camp. ( the party of the dudes in sheets)

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Jon”, I await the language you use the next time an angry black racist kills a white cop, and about 40% of cop shootings in this country are by black perps. Cop lives matter.
    Paul, you first. The difficulty of arresting people before they commit a crime makes for bad law and good science fiction.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Minority_Report

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 12:35 PM
    Well! That’s a rather revealing post from “jon/jeffy”……and interesting on a couple of levels.

    Here’s a real downer to lighten up your pre-bedtime ritual. An angry white cracker with a gun strikes again killing 9 blacks in a church!
    Good luck with this one, boys.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/18/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-idUSKBN0OY06A20150618
    Posted by: Jon | 17 June 2015 at 10:26 PM

    Last night at 10:26 pm, mere moments after it happened, you were gleefully anticipating using this tragedy to further your preferred political goals! Speaks volumes about the kind of person you are. It also highlights the lying denials surrounding “exclamation points”, “apostrophes”, and parsing of language that you engaged in subsequent to being called on this behavior.
    Second….another remarkable admission that 30 to 40 homicides routinely reported in major American cities and primarily amongst the urban underclass troubles you not at all. Clearly the caring progressive is indifferent when they can’t be used as props in your thoughtless political drama. It seems that it’s not the number it’s the spacing.
    Again, it speaks volumes about the kind of person you are.

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    30 to 40 homicides routinely reported
    every weekend..

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  39. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, SC has one of most lax gun laws in America. What gun-free zone do you refer to? But as I expected- its all about Dems vs. Repubs in your mind yet again. Who’s posing the question of his Party? Little chance he ever had a fleeting thought about registering to vote. The issues are guns and race.

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  40. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 18 June 2015 at 12:22 PM
    I doubt that there’s much at all that can be done at this point Paul. The Obama administration has been the greatest gift to gun manufacturers in history with upwards of 90 million sold on his watch alone.
    You can try more gun control but it won’t work…..fewer and fewer people will comply and this will likely only lead to more blackmarket sales. I know that this has been occurring with the engineered ammunition shortages….people are buying word of mouth from reloaders.

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  41. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, our host has accepted my apology for the exclamation point last night. I’ve told you there was no glee. I used the word downer as I turned in quite depressed about yet another event like that. Yet you continue on. Why?

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  42. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, if you cannot recognize the difference between an execution of innocents in a church, and ongoing lifestyle street violence in urban America, that’s your problem. No one says either is acceptable.

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  43. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 01:27 PM
    Because I don’t believe you. You’ve admitted in your 12:35 post that the denials subsequent to me first calling you on it were false .
    I think you’ll find that our host is far more gracious than I.

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 01:30 PM
    Again “jon” these people only exist when they can be used as props in your political narrative.

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  45. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    unfortunately fish, there was no 12:35 post from me, nor any admission that anything I said was less than sincere? Have no clue what you are talking about.

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  46. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Yes, there was a 12:35 post from me..I cannot read apparently. Sorry for that. But no admission of false denials.

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  47. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, if I could explain why we aren’t making a concerted national effort to stop urban street violence, I would be happy to. Could it be that no government body wants to commit any more money toward the effort? Seems likely.

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  48. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Jon” 1:38, stop and frisk seemed to be working well in NYC. How are you on that?
    It’s a shame your ilk couldn’t wait for the bodies to cool down and maybe even a preliminary investigation before pushing politics.

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  49. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 01:21 PM
    “(M) A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a:

    (9) church or other established religious sanctuary unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body”

    From the South Carolina concealed weapons code section. The church technically was a “gun free zone”. Assuming he bothered to even obtain one in the first place.

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  50. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 01:34 PM
    “That’s right fish, the horrific daily inner city, lifestyle criminal-on-criminal crime doesn’t tug at the heart strings like last night’s racist-motivated, horrific execution of innocent church goers and leaders. That’s right, its perhaps a flaw in our human nature, but its true. Same reaction for me as for millions of Americans of all political stripes. Same thing with Sandy Hook- tears and a strong tug on the heartstrings. Perhaps these events are preventable crimes in the opinion of millions of Americans who would like to engage the topic of the easy access to guns in America. Young disturbed, racist-flag wearing Mr. Roof received a 45 handgun from dear-old-Dad for his birthday. So sweet.”
    Posted by: Jon | 18 June 2015 at 12:35 PM

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