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Sandbox – 4jun15

[As most RR readers have seen, the sandbox 'all topics welcome' forums (fora?) in these pages have been more than well received – their comment streams quickly fill with multiple topic threads discussed among multiple participants.  Recently these sandboxes have begun 'filling' more rapidly – e.g. the 1jun15 sandbox garnered over 200 comments in three days.  This has given rise to a growing concern of mine about the readability of very long comment streams containing several live threads.  Fortunately, most commenters have started using name/time tag referents to point readers to which of the preceding comments their current comment addresses.  (However, some still believe that their particular thread is being so closely followed by everyone that no such provenance pointers are needed – hubris?)

So I wonder if perhaps readability would be enhanced were RR to implement categorical sandboxes – national policy, local issues, foreign policy, climate change, science, education, … ??  While that approach MAY focus discussions and make them more readable, it would also detract from the apparently pleasant melee or potpourri of thoughts that readers now experience as they revisit the comment stream to have their interest piqued by some new comment/er.  Easiest would be not to 'fix' what seems to work, and to just open new sandboxes whenever the comment streams grow beyond a hundred or so.  Anyway, I invite a discussion and your thoughts on the matter.  gjr]

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  1. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Steavy miss this part.(on purpose?)
    “In most areas of California, overlying land owners may extract percolating ground water and put it to beneficial use without approval from the State Board or a court. California does not have a permit process for regulation of ground water use. In several basins, however, groundwater use is subject to regulation in accordance with court decrees adjudicating the ground water rights within the basins.
    And yes, Hetch Hetchy HAS been brought up, because I did. I asked you last night
    where Frisco would get that 1/3rd of water loss if HH got torn down because of ECO idiots
    It was on the Frisco ballot to be voted on.
    Nice dodge there Stevey.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    stevenF 155pm – re the value of farm products. It doesn’t require much stretching to understand that as arable land (especially for specialty crops) is taken out of production, the value of the remaining crops may and most likely will increase due to basic supply-demand economics. But, of course, as you continue reducing the amount of crops planted, the aggregate value will ultimately also begin decreasing even though unit prices will continue increasing.
    So the implied celebratory conclusion of current CA water policy not having much effect on our ag sector may be a bit premature, and most certainly uneven when considering the population of central valley farmers.

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  3. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Walt | 06 June 2015 at 02:02 PM
    I am missing nothing Walt…I never said that under current law landowners could not use groundwater…I said the state has a right to define a beneficial purpose.
    I am really fascinated by the fact that you guys can’t seem to win a point without either putting words in peoples mouths or mis-using the English language.
    I must have missed your reference to it last night…I don;t support tearing Hetch-Hetchy down. Clear enough for you? Go ask someone who supports it.

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  4. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Oops…let me correct my statement, “Farm employment increased by more than 1 percent last year. Gross farm revenue from crop production actually increased by two-tenths of 1 percent last year”
    Mea culpa
    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article21958428.html#storylink=cpy
    Yes, George I certainly get the point that scarcity increases prices…but we are part of a global commodity marketplace for food and fiber…our drought is significant but does not seem to be having much of an impact yet on commodity prices.

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  5. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Love it. You think you win when you lose. ( usual LIB logic, not to mention arrogant)
    But where was Frisco going to make up the loss?
    Funny Steve,, You can’t have it both ways with ground water. Save for a few spots, the land owner uses ground water “as he sees fit” not the “G” man. Yet your for government meters on private wells.
    Yup you missed plenty last night.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    StevenF 214pm – Apologies for not inserting the appropriate ‘ceteris paribus’ expansion into my 207pm. And I think that we both believe the operational word in your response to be “yet”.

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  7. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Walt | 06 June 2015 at 02:19 PM
    No. I think you miss my point Walt…I know the answer to the question “where was Frisco going to make up the loss” but it is not my responsibility to stick up for a policy I do not support and if I do you will construe it as supporting that position.
    I don’t. You can go do your own research.
    And you still don’t get what I am saying about groundwater…it is up to us as a society to make a value judgement about what a beneficial use is and that is the law under our state Constitution. It ain’t a question of whether you think it is right or not.

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  8. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    DiFi thinks Hetch Hetchy water is her Friscoid birthright, Steve. Do you disagree?
    I was specific in my use of the language, Stevie… I have a right to use the water pumped from my well in my household, in usual and customary ways that are considered beneficial. That I don’t “own” the water itself really just means I don’t have a right to keep water I can’t beneficially use from flowing away from my property towards other users of the same aquifer, not that since I don’t own the water the state has a right to charge me for it.
    Let’s just keep this idea of yours front and center: that every residential well in Nevada County, and the state, should have a meter (and a cutoff valve?) for the state to use to monitor use and assess fees for every gallon. And now we see you think that will happen within 20 years.
    I think we can expect your SBC to work towards those ends, maybe even profit from it. God knows, looking at your tax returns, you’d better start increasing revenue from somewhere before the whole enterprise crashes. Even with your party in complete power in Sacramento, SBC is slowly hemorrhaging its lifeblood, Cash, down SBC’s leachfield.

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  9. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    So, I do disagree, water is no ones ‘birthright.’
    In previous comments Greg you said you ‘owned’ that water, you are changing your tune. My position has remained consistent, yours seem to shift a little every time you post.
    Yes, I think that every well should be metered, and I think that eventually well water will need to be paid for by volume, and yes, I think the state has the right under the Constitution to mandate that, and yes, I personally think the sooner we do that the better we could manage our water.
    I have no comment at this time on whether or not SBC would adopt that as a policy position in the future, those decisions are made on an as needed basis.
    What is this fascination you guys have with SBC’s financials? You don’t have to search the web for my tax returns, they are right there on our web page. Good thing I know the difference between a tax return, a balance sheet and a cash flow analysis. SBC will be around helping the region a long time after you and I are gone.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Gregory 3:22 PM
    It has been the left’s attempt for many years here in California to control our private wells. It seems that those LA politicians are submitting bills (probably drafted by SBC types) and the battle continues. The left always uses tragedy and chaos (they create) to shove more laws down our throats. SBC and its ilk are right there hand in hand crafting and creating more ideas to regulate our citizens. And the taxpayers get the bill! I reviewed SBC’s financials (2014 is missing) at the Secretary of State’s site and you are correct. All those assets are drying up.
    GeorgeR was discussing the new meaning of words the left has come up with. I recall vividly years ago when the democrats started using “investment” in place of taxes. The lapdog press fell right into line.
    I say we need a moratorium on immigration, reinstitute the “bracero” type worker visas and assimilate the people here legally. According to Frisch though, all those 40 million illegals (according to Jorge Ramos of Telemundo, a race and statistic expert) give back more to the economy then they take. That includes the 40 billion they send home to mom and dad in Tijuana I suppose, every year!
    With my idea on a moratorium, we accomplish a couple of things. We Americans can retain our American culture, the welfare rolls will greatly diminish and we can still get the tomatoes harvested. What about that? Oops, I guess that is not PC and La Raza (the race) will complain.

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  11. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 06 June 2015 at 03:59 PM
    Of course what you don’t know about finance is showing Todd. 2014 990 forms for non profit organizations are not due until May, but since ours is based on an independent, third party, audited financial statement like many other non-profits we file an extension and do not file until August. Thus you won’t see 2014 990’s until January of 2016.
    That is just how it works.

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  12. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 06 June 2015 at 03:59 PM
    According to Todd: “(according to Jorge Ramos of Telemundo, a race and statistic expert)”
    According to his biography at Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_L._Ramos

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  13. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Where to start. First to Frisch 950am screw you. Here is a peak at my mornings this week. Mon. Board of Directors meeting, Tue. conf. calls, planning sessions and end the day with a 7pm Board of Directors meeting. Wed. State Capitol, Thurs. up and off at 5am to airport related to (Smart Approaches to Marijuana) SAM Nor Cal Leadership Conf. and so on. Just got back and unloaded from a day in the flatlands. Every day starts with returning calls and a zillion emails and with all due respect to Dr. R I for one have a lot to do before I can have some fun joining in the fur ball.

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  14. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 06 June 2015 at 04:31 PM
    Sorry Don, I call ’em as I read ’em.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Steve Frisch 4:09 PM,
    Well golly, you file for an extension even though you are required to post in May eh? And we can’t see it till January 2016? Jeeze, what a flim-flam all that is. We get a kick out of you Steve regarding money. And filing IRS and other documents. You just don’t get that we have you pegged based on the Passages Restaurant fiasco and we all know a leopard doesn’t change its spots. I say “Clintonesque”.
    We are all waiting to see the itemized list of your travels on the taxpayers dime for the last few years. But, like all obfuscaters, they will never be produced because there might be some embarrassing expenditures? What a hoot.
    You should get current about immigration issues as Jorge Ramos and La Raza have passed you by Frisch. Pretty soon you will be unemployed and they will have tour job!

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  16. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The 30 to 40 mill. figure is bandied about by the pro amnesty types and latino media so if its good enough for them I am ok with it for the sake of discussion. Heritage Foundation report 133 shows that in 2010 the average illegal household consumed $24k in services and benefits and paid $10k in taxes for a net cost to the country of $14,000 per household. Those figures have not gotten any better given the massive increase in goodies under the 0 admin.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    It is OK DonB, he makes up his own facts.

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  18. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Frisch 444- A grant whore challenging people on being productive in society because they don’t respond to his posts first thing in the morning is awfully funny. The really funny part is you don’t even see the high narcissist world view that it would take to make such an observation.

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I’ve been quite consistent, Frisch. I have a property right for the extraction of water from my well. Once I pump it, I own the water.
    “The courts have consistently upheld the right of a landowner whose land was overlying a groundwater basin to extract and use that groundwater on the overlying land, but have restricted that right to an amount which is reasonable in light of the competing demands of other overlying users.”
    http://aic.ucdavis.edu/events/outlook05/Sawyer_primer.pdf
    Let’s use this rather than the one from the state agency, shall we? The state has no established right to charge me for the water I use from below my property. Good luck in getting that in place.
    I see you’ve driven one business into bankruptcy, committing tax fraud along the way. It looks like your SBC is traveling down the same path. Seem familiar?

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  20. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    I basically demolished every point you have tried to make here, Todd. I’m sure your compatriots, except for Don, are pretty embarrassed. As I said, a libertarian game of telephone on acid. Challenge it and all of the intellectual and philosophic flaws start popping out.
    Full of it on water, can’t support your immigration claims, don’t understand finance….I went back and watched video with Coulter and Ramos, and the statistic was 40 million immigrants living in the US, not 40 million illegal immigrants living in the US. So once again you are full of beans.
    http://fusion.net/video/139852/jorge-ramos-ann-coulter-interview/
    I once thought you were tough Todd but you are really just a weak little guy incapable of critical thinking aren’t aren’t you?

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  21. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    A number of people have noticed the similarities between now and the late 70’s. O – Carter, Iran dumping on us and on the move. Neutering the military. Crazy federal policies and so on and so on. That we just got the first triple crown winner since 1978 is another interesting parallel. Now lets just hope the pattern continues through the presidential election and we get someone to start repairing all the socialist damage and rolling back the insane policies like the EPA take over of everything. We sure have enough contenders! 🙂

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  22. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Don Bessee | 06 June 2015 at 04:45 PM
    Hey Don, you think you could post a link to the Heritage Foundation study so I can check on how many illegal immigrants they say are in the US? Since you are quoting from it you must have the link handy. The benchmark is “30-40 million.”
    My guess is the Heritage Foundation does not support that figure either.

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  23. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Doesn’t it always come down to this, I demolish your arguments with facts and you resort to personal attacks. See dear readers this is the pattern on this bog–Paul, Ben, Jon all suffer the same treatment.
    You mental midgets want to argue with the big boys you better come loaded with data, facts, sources and critical thinking skills, which I ain’t seeing here.
    Next someone will say am I fat and start ridiculing my looks.

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  24. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Demolish?? Yaa, dude whatever. Your so far behind you think your first.
    It’s PV turn for the lighting. Right now it a constant rumble and crash.
    The heavy rain has yet to hit. According to the radar is headed right for us.

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  25. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Well,, Obummercare goes tits up in Hawaii. The plug has been pulled.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/05/hawaii-abandons-troubled-state-obamacare-exchange/?intcmp=latestnews
    The first domino has fallen.

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    See dear readers this is the pattern on this bog–Paul, Ben, Jon all suffer the same treatment.
    As they should…Ben. JoKe, “Jon”…and of course “the jeffy” don’t bring it like you do! Ben whines and emotes. Paul…jeez…..”Artful Dodger doesn’t begin to cover it. Jon…..just “jeffy lite”!
    I don’t like your positions in general, I think progressivism is a monstrous ideology….but if there is anybody here worth engaging it’s you!
    Hat tip!

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I demolish your arguments with facts and you resort to personal attacks.”
    Nothing you didn’t start with your first sentence, Frisch, and you’re too dumb to notice when you’ve lost which is usually before you started.
    BTW your attempt to use my NTSB record against me is more than a bit off base. I’ve never been found at fault for any incident or accident, never had any action against me by the FAA, and the NTSB agreed with me that it was vapor lock, not pilot error, that caused my Cherokee to lose power on takeoff from Grass Valley. No one got hurt, the plane lived to fly again. The NTSB investigator congratulated me for living through it, that most of the time there isn’t anyone to talk to. The insurer paid it off as a unrepairable though it was repaired by the mechanic who bought it. In fact, it flew from Grass Valley to Vacaville for the repairs.
    That insurer is also the insurer on my current ride, a much more capable airplane with nearly twice the horsepower and more than twice the fuel load, though it gets even better gas milage. Imagine that.

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  28. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    sf 518- typical lefty double standards, you can claim people are not productive parts of society because they don’t wake and run to see what you may have posted (with all the attendant emotional baggage that attitude exhibits)and you can then go on to slam everybody else. Then you snivel you are under personal attack when you get some back at you. Narcissists do tend to have that brittle exterior and a hollow interior that can dish it out but can’t take it. Re; Heritage, that was in regard to the claims that illegals are net financial benefits to the country, which they are not. Care to defend the IRS ruling that if 0’s amnesty survives court challenges they will allow the illegals to file for 3 back years of taxes and get the earned income tax credits refunded even if they did not pay any taxes for those years?

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  29. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Well then that is sweet Greg.
    Perhaps you can do me the favor of retracting your “tax cheat” statement since no charges were ever filed against me, no employees were ever hurt in any way or ever denied any benefits due my past businesses failure to pay payroll taxes 18 years ago; and I paid back every red cent over the next 8 years, with interest and penalties, never seeking an amnesty or reduction, and my IRS contact told me they had never seen anyone act so responsibly though a difficult situation.
    But I suspect you won’t do that because you will fail to recognize any equivalency.
    Until then I guess I will just have to warn readers not to fly with you since you are obviously a huge risk.

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  30. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Post your source Beese.
    I want to go to the original data and find out what numbers Heritage used to calculate the contributions, because they will have to have a data source for the total number of illegal aliens in the footnotes or sources.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    So I realize it’s upthread a bit and you’ve been busy conversing with the lads but I was wondering if we were going to get back to this?
    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 06 June 2015 at 11:12 AM
    OK Homey what number of illegal immigrants do you accept as a valid number? The wonderfully static 12 million or is there another extrapolated number that falls between 12 and 40 million that you think is likely?

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  32. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Steve, you’ve tried good natured dialogue here for eternity. Very few here are interested- one or two critical comments about conservative news sources drives them ballistic and its nothing but personal attack after attack. I will forever wonder what you personally did to anyone here to warrant that treatment. You and Ben in particular have my undying respect and admiration.

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hold on to your wallets …..and your citizenship!

    Obama said Democrats and Republicans in the Senate did that two years ago when they passed “a common sense bill” that included a pathway to citizenship.
    However, he said Republican leaders in the House of Representatives for nearly two years “have refused to even allow a vote on it.”
    “In the meantime, I’m going to keep doing everything I can to make our immigration system more just and more fair,” Obama said. “It’s the right thing to do. And it will make America stronger.”

    Interesting….presented without evidence or explanation…..another platitude that makes the “jons” swoon!
    http://www.voanews.com/content/obama-celebraters-immigrant-heritage-month/2810122.html

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yes I guess we should all believe Steve Frisch regarding his failed business. He did something with the employees $250,000 in taxes not sent to the IRS. What was done with that money? (Of course the employees were made whole by the taxpayers while waiting for the scofflaw to repay the “diversion” of funds) But, he thinks he is better than everyone else here and that is truly what DonB has pointed out. A narcissist.
    I find it amusing that someone who has done such heinous acts regarding business, taxes and liens would have the gall to defend all that, and proudly! That is why Frisch is not believable but hey! This is America and even idiots like Frisch can have their say.

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  35. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: fish | 06 June 2015 at 06:21 PM
    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt Fish and agree to stipulate between 15-20 million.

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  36. fish Avatar
    fish

    If you thought Paul and Ben were atwitter about the TPP just wait till Uncle Stupid gets the TISA rammed through!
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-06/forget-tpp-wikileaks-releases-documents-equally-shady-“trade-services-agreement

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jorge Ramos, Mexican emigre’, illegal immigrant supporter, says up to 40 million illegals in America. 25% of the country of Mexico has come here. Looks like his guess is a s good as the Frisch guess. What a hoot!

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  38. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    NEWS FLASH- Frisch declines to defend 0’s tax (and other) gifts to illegals! Tell the black moms in the inner city why all the new jobs have gone to immigrants and native born populations have massive reductions in total employed numbers that mirror the immigrant increases. Lets no forget the incredible amount of remittances to south of the boarder countries and the growing percentage of their GDP that represents. Transfer of wealth writ large.

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  39. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 06 June 2015 at 06:45 PM
    Hey you moron, did you use the link to the original Ramos/Coulter interview an listen to it? He says 40 million immigrants, then specifically states tthat means immigrants not illegal immigrants.
    Really, you can’t keep up if you don’t actually listen to the shit you quote Todd.

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  40. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Come on Don, you can do it, cite your Heritage source.
    Now these clowns are worried about a ‘transfer of wealth’. Ben and Paul will be happy to hear that, perhaps now you will care about the obscene transfer of wealth from the middle and working classes to the top 1%.
    And seriously, you are concerned about the transfer of wealth that 15 million illegal immigrants making barely above minimum wages are sending out of the country? My guess is it pales in comparison to the transfer of wealth the top 1% vacationing in Europe costs the economy every year.
    My philosophy is that once a person works and earns their money and they render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s I got no call on it.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jorge Ramos said 40 million. If you are unable to comprehend his words than I don’t know what to tell you Frisch.
    Also, to call a person much smarter than you a moron is totally inappropriate.

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  42. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Right Frisch as one who dines off Cesar’s (read our) nickel I would expect that lame evasion. You tell us what the amount of remittances are in your divine opinion. Lefty instruction manual page 5, when confronted with uncomfortable facts or narratives deflect with 1% indignation attacks. 0’s redistribution programs are what they are. Hell, the state dept spox bubble head opined that all the isis problem needs is a good jobs program. LOL!

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  43. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Hey Todd HERE IS THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW WHICH YOU CITED:
    http://fusion.net/video/139852/jorge-ramos-ann-coulter-interview/
    Could someone beside Todd please watch it, and when you are done washing up after Ann Coulter, tell him WTF it says.
    Only a complete idiot could claim Ramos says anything but what I said he did.

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  44. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Don where is the original source for the Heritage study so I can check the number they used?

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  45. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Steve, I wouldn’t fly with Gregory either. That incident was troubling to read about.

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  46. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 05 June 2015 at 10:54 PM
    So Todd, why did you lie yesterday at 10:45 when you responded to Jon?

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  47. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Let’s see if I can make this crystal clear Don my man, the very source you cited on costs cites the number of unlawful immigrants in the USA as 11.5 million.
    No wonder you won’t post it.
    Who was it the said, “you can’t have it both ways?”
    From: The Fiscal Costs of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty
    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty%20to-the-us-taxpayer
    “The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimates that there were 11.5 million undocumented, or unlawful, foreign-born persons in the U.S. in January 2011. These estimates are based on the fact that the number of foreign-born persons appearing in U.S. Census surveys is considerably greater than the actual number of foreign-born persons who are permitted to reside lawfully in the U.S. according to immigration records.
    For example, in January 2011, some 31.95 million foreign-born persons (who arrived in the country after 1980) appeared in the annual Census survey, but the corresponding number of lawful foreign-born residents in that year (according to government administrative records) was only 21.6 million. DHS estimates that the difference—some 10.35 million foreign-born persons appearing in the Census American Community Survey (ACS)—was comprised of unauthorized or unlawful residents. DHS further estimates that an additional 1.15 million unlawful immigrants resided in the U.S. but did not appear in the Census survey, for a total of 11.5 million unlawful residents.
    DHS employs a “residual” method to determine the characteristics of the unlawful immigrant population. First, immigration records are used to determine the gender, age, country of origin, and time of entry of all foreign-born lawful residents. Foreign-born persons with these characteristics are subtracted from the total foreign-born population in Census records; the leftover, or “residual,” foreign-born population is assumed to be unlawful. This procedure enables DHS to estimate the age, gender, country of origin, date of entry, and current U.S. state of residence of the unlawful immigrant population in the U.S.
    The current Heritage Foundation study uses the DHS reports on the characteristics of unlawful immigrants to identify in the Current Population Survey (CPS) of the U.S. Census a population of foreign-born persons who have a very high probability of being unlawful immigrants. (The Current Population Survey is used in place of the similar American Community Survey because it has more detailed income and benefit information.)”

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  48. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 06 June 2015 at 06:37 PM
    Yes, I did do something with that money Todd, I paid their salaries with it.

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  49. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Steve, par for the course with Todd. Its a fascinating study on a uber-partisan political person who’s discredited beliefs have come and gone years ago. He’s sticking to his story no matter how foolish he looks; repeating any discredited talking point no matter what. The MO is: never surrender, never apologize, never honestly acknowledge a moderate/progressive’s position or factual comment.

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  50. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Don, speaking of being confronted with uncomfortable facts, Steve has outlined now through multiple sources how WRONG you were to throw out wild illegal immigration numbers of 30-40 million people. Nearly tripling the actual number of illegal immigrants is not just an error of judgement. How about an apology to the board for throwing out a wild, totally unsourced, unverified number?…

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