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Fish, 5:47
Is that the FUE?
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Is that the FUE?
None other!
Oh…..HAPPY BIRTHDAY!😃
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This explains much…
STUDY: Insecure, Narcissistic people more likely to post on Facebook
http://rt.com/uk/261169-facebook-status-linked-depression/
….about that certain someone!
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Todd, 6:17am. Why do you keep asking for things that are impossible to produce? Paul E’s point is that only two senators have read the TPP BECAUSE IT IS SECRET (although 600 corporate lobbyists have had input in the provisions of the treaty). We need another Edward Snowden to release the treaty to the public. The fact that they want to fast-track it, taking away the ability for amendments, says volumes. If the TPP was a good thing, they would be heralding the treaty from all corners.
I read something disturbing yesterday that really ticked me off about Obama and the TPP. It seems a resolution passed in the Senate that could force Malaysia out of the TPP because of their horrible record on human trafficking, but Obama wants to make exceptions for this country.
From the HuffPost: Last month, the Senate Finance Committee approved a Menendez amendment that would bar the administration from fast-tracking trade deals with countries that tolerate human trafficking. The State Department has long included Malaysia on its list of countries with serious human trafficking violations, as its government effectively tolerates slavery, including sex slavery. Forced labor is particularly prevalent in the Malaysian electronics industry. The White House insists that including Malaysia in TPP would improve the country’s labor record (although they have not made any moves to stop these practices). Sorry, the link was too long to post here.
We need to call out our parties of choice whenever they deviate from their stated platform. The “my party, right or wrong” attitude is crippling our country. I’m saying loud and clear, Obama is on the wrong side of TPP.
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Thanks fish. 65! So the FUE thinks we are all nutty eh? Jeeze, that cracks me up!
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Patrizia, review Paul’s comments. He is flipping out about the treaty yet hasn’t read it. That is my point.
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The TPP won’t be secret when actually up for a vote, the procedural machinations to date aren’t the main event.
I fully expect there will be something to hate for everyone once the office of the President decides foreign negotiations are complete and secrecy is no longer appropriate.
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Posted by: Patricia Smith | 24 May 2015 at 07:41 AM,/i>
Well Patricia the dominant faith practiced in Malaysia is Islam. Islam has codified within it’s language the acceptance of slavery.
Who are you to criticize another culture?!?!
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Man I’m getting sloppy!
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Hat tip to Ms. Shirley Bassey!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11625851/Why-Shirley-Bassey-is-horrified-by-todays-pop-stars.html
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Godspeed John Nash!
http://www.sacbee.com/entertainment/article22133721.html
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Ah, you gotta pass the darn bill to find out what is in it.
Now to veer off thread and post a link. Replies and comments not necessary.
http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-immigrant-kids-street-demanding-white-classmates-071506783.html
Seems to me that Seperate But Equal is alive and well. Because of our wise Department of Justice’s all knowing color blind extreme pressure, the Fergensen PD will now have all the black officers patrol the crime infested barrio beat (black neighborhoods) and the white cops are being pulled out of there and are to patrol whitey neighbors. And never the twain shall meet.
Boy, that sounds like segregation of the police force to this humble observer. Plus, it is not fair or equatable. The blacks cops will be working their tails off chasing down folks running through back yards and scaling fences and being attacked by angry protective dogs all night long, while the white cops will be sitting in their patrol cars guarding gated security alarmed houses waiting for some action besides trying to come up with a four letter word for “extinct bird” to finish the crossword puzzle. It ain’t fair! Not what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. envisioned.
At least Eric Holder was right. America is a racist nation. He should know. He ran a racist Justice DepRtment.
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Looks like the Ottomans, stopped at the gates of Vienna in 1649 have finally succeeded!
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Todd
Flippin out? You should be to! The fact that the senate has Fast Tracked the bill without having read it with the provision that it cannot be amended or altered when presented for a final vote is indeed distrubing to me as it should be to you. Obama, whom you hold in great disdain, has been given the green light without congressional oversight to draft the agreement for an up or down vote is totally wrong and virtually without precedent.
The TPP was negotiated in secret by corporate lobbyists and government lawyers. Even Congress doesn’t know what’s in it because they havent read it, but TPP is to be hustled into law through a super-rushed, rubber-stamp process called “Fast Track”.
The only way the bill can be read is by a Senator with no aides for a limited amount of time in a secret room. They are forbidden to talk about or openly debate details of its contents. It was opposed by the Progressives in the Democratic party and Libertarian and Tea Party Republicans, not sucn unlikely bed partners sharing their concerns about secret deals. It waspushed by McConnell and Obama because they represent the heart of the Republicrats who will differ of social issues and enough stuff to make them look independent but know how to bring home the beef to the big money interests when the chips are down as they definatly are in this case.
The TPP was negotiated in secret by corporate lobbyists and government lawyers. Even Congress doesn’t know what’s in it because they havent read it, but TPP is to be hustled into law through a super-rushed, rubber-stamp process called “Fast Track”.
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Gregory May 22 10:58. Sorry to keep you at the edge of your seat, but I have been doing things other. You can say “the arctic ice is not melting and that there are no shipping lanes opening up” as many times as you like, but you aren’t going to change the facts. Here’s a link: http://www.wsj.com/articles/arctic-cargo-shipping-volume-is-rising-as-ice-melts-1414612143
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 24 May 2015 at 02:36 PM
So what’s worse Paul a law that you favor for the most part, Obamacare, where it turns out the experts the government relied on to make their case lied and have admitted lying in order to getting the law passed or the TPP negotiated in secret but where you know that the corporate lobbyists are honestly going to fuck the citizenry?
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Just wondering which passage that had a bee up your bonnet, Joe:
“After four years of increased use of the Northern Sea Route by vessels going in transit between Europe and Asia, 2014 saw a steep downturn. The amount of cargo transported in transit dropped 77 percent compared to last year.”
http://barentsobserver.com/en/arctic/2014/12/northern-sea-route-traffic-plummeted-16-12
Hate to break it to you, Joe, but Arctic ice melts in the summertime, and that passage has been explored going back to the 1600’s. It’s far from being the ice free zone you’re imagining.
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Joe Smith@03:10PM That was in summer of 2013.
Northern Sea Route Primarily Carries Oil, Much of the Cargo Involving Russia
Cargo shipping volume through the Northern Sea Route is rising as Arctic ice melts, according to a new report.
The opening up of the Arctic for commercial cargo offers a faster route for some shipments between Europe and Asia, and holds the promise of increased trade for once icebound ports in the High North of Arctic countries such as Russia, Norway and Canada.
However, much of the new traffic through the Northern Sea Route is one-way shipments of fossil fuels from Northern Europe to Asia or is between Russian ports, according to a report to be released Friday (Oct. 31) by the Arctic Institute, a Washington think tank.
Ice details can be found here: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/index.html
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Paul Emery, regarding the TPP. No one has read it publicly and my understanding is when it is ready it will be in the open for debate etc. I am optimistic that the free trade will bring jobs to our country and not the giant “sucking sound”. The “corporations” you so hate employ millions of Americans and maybe they care.
Oh, Paul, can you give me the links that tell us that “corporate lobbyists” and government lawyers negotiated this? I assume a trade deal is between nations and logically there are many in the negotiations?
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Todd
You left yourself wide open on this one. The giant “sucking sound” you refer too is attributed to Ross Perot durint hiw 1992 run for President. He was of course referring to NAFTA, a predecessor to TPP which he opposed and which cost us millions of manufacturing jobs. I suggest you read this published by Business Insider:
Markets More: U.S. economy Jobs
Looks Like Ross Perot Was Right About The “Giant Sucking Sound”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/looks-like-ross-perot-was-right-about-the-giant-sucking-sound-2011-2#ixzz3b6rcwhha
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Gregory 3:40- Now you are citing the Russian’s version of why traffic is down! It has nothing to do with the passage icing over but the world’s embargo on Russia (hence closed ports). Instead of cherry picking Google, I would invite you to join the ASI (Arctic Sea Ice) forum. Our members include some of the most prominent people in the field of shipping and cross arctic passage. http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?topic=854.0
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This is a pretty good summary of Tea Party concerns from the venerable Liberty Under Fire website.
Tea Party supporters oppose the treaty primarily because it violates two of its core values: constitutional limited government and the free market…………Amplifying the concern over secrecy and deception is the president’s push for fast track status, meaning an up or down vote of both houses of congress with no debate or amendments. This is blatantly unconstitutional as it, in essence, voids them as the sole architects of law. They have a function far more worthy than merely approving or disapproving law made by benefiting corporations.
http://www.libertyunderfire.org/about-us/
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Paul Emery, I baited you and you took it. Tell me how it is that since 1992 the country has seen 20 million Mexicans and others from south of the border sneaking into the USA. If all the jobs headed out because of NAFTA it seems strange these illegals would have stayed ion their home countries to take advantage of the huge transfer of our businesses and jobs.
Rodd Perot turned out to be a nut anyway. He had moments of coherency but when he said the CIA was trying to upset his daughters wedding I knew he was a nut. A rich one though.
JoeK, hey you are really incorrect about the sea ice. I suggest you read Russ Steele’s blog about these things.
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Yeah……crickets.
/shocked face
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Fish, Todd
Are you taking these positions because you want to go after me or because you support the TPP?
Todd, you ignore my 6:53
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Paul Emery, ignored your 6:53?
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Well, this fair trade agreement is turning out to be bigger than a proposed Nevada County Events Ordinance, Still, it hasn’t risen to the cacophony of all hands on deck that the Opossum Affair created. Nothing may ever top that video of the possum, not even illegal Bush wars, crony capitalism, European outdoor lights strung illegally in Nevada City, nor trade agreements not subject to the best disinfectant, aka, sunlight.
Carry on, next batter please.
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Bill
You surprise meas to your disregard of the TPP. Is that because you are uneducated about what’s happening or just don’t care? Todd do you support TPP? Yes or no.
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We will see once it is available. Generally I am a free trade guy.
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Are you taking these positions because you want to go after me or because you support the TPP?
I support almost nothing emanating from Washington….I support even less that is supported by this White House and I am certainly no fan of this republican senate except when it manages to thwart the goals of the Chief Executive. I find your terror of the TPP simultaneously ironic and hypocritical in these days of Omnibus spending bills….already largely written by special interest lobbyists and crammed full of delicious pork for things like Obamaphones, aircraft the military doesn’t want, and 500K for new media centers in Nevada City. Not to mention laws like Obamacare that was sold as a tax that wasn’t a tax except when it was and championed by a lying scumbag like Jonathan Gruber. As mentioned previously Obamacare was conjured and sold for the benefit of health care companies and to increase the reach and scope of the federal government and other than hearing you say that it doesn’t “go far enough” don’t recall any complaining from you about the machinations required to pass and implement it.
So….am I in favor of TPP? I can’t say as I haven’t read it. But like all things that empower the government further probably not.
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JOY PULLMANN: The Civil Disobedience Charles Murray Wants Has Already Arrived.
The federal do-gooders who framed No Child Left Behind back in 2001 never envisioned that parents would take exception to their mandate that every child in grades three through eight (and once in high school) face annual math and reading tests. So the law is entirely silent on what happens if, as is happening now for the first time, thousands of parents across the country pull their kids in protest.
It’s hard to convey just how extraordinary this is. So here are a few snippets from just the past week’s news. In Germantown, Wisconsin, 62 percent of public-school students are sitting out tests. The district has been a hotbed of Common Core opposition, with a local school board among one of the handful nationwide to reject Common Core and decide to run with its own, higher-quality, curriculum. In Maine, “Cape Elizabeth saw 32 percent of its eighth-graders, 18 percent of its seventh-graders and 64 percent of its high school juniors opt out. There are many examples of high opt out rates across the state, but a reliable statewide tally isn’t yet available.” A bill to secure parents’ right to excuse their kids from mandatory tests recently passed the Delaware House 36 to 3 after a blaze of opt-outs left local schools scrambling. “A wide-ranging bill that would eliminate [national Common Core] tests in Ohio and limit state achievement tests to three hours per year passed the House 92-1 on Wednesday,” reported the Columbus Dispatch.
This is nowhere near a set of isolated incidents. In Washington state, every single junior at Nathan Hale High School (natch) refused state tests this spring. Somewhere around 200,000 children refused tests this spring in New York and, contrary to race-baiting from U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan, substantial numbers of these defiant parents were not white rich people. FairTest, a lefty organization not keen on rigorous data, nevertheless keeps compiling an impressive number of similar news stories each week.
What does this mean? Does it matter? While the opt-out numbers are unprecedented in American history, they still represent a very small proportion of U.S. schoolkids. I think they do matter, and that they signal many Americans are ready for Murray’s civil disobedience project.
Are you ready?
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Fish it is pretty interesting that Paul Emery would vigorously support Ocare which has killed millions of jobs, mostly on the low end ofthe pay scale, yet is outraged about the TPP. No one has printed it out so we can see it so I am withholding judgement as I said, so I guess the outrage of the left, including Paul Emery, is contrived!
What is the old saying? One man’s joy is another man’s outrage? Or something \like that. Hey and we see SYRCL gets a $600,000 “grant” of taxpayers money to grow some weeds in the high country. You gotta love this country!
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Mr. Paul and those who aren’t Mr. Paul. Everything I hear about the trade thang is cloaked in generalities and no ink on the bill yet. It would be like commenting on the Treyvon Martin wrestling match or the Mr. Brown of Fergensen, Mo thang until the facts come a’dribbling in. I withhold judgement. If it lifts one single little child out of poverty in some unheard village beyond our borders, that who am I to put it down. That poor villager is a child of The Universe.
But, the real focus should be right here in our own backyard and helping our elderly citizens. That is where my priorities are, albeit just for this day in history…or maybe for just a few hours on this day in history, never to return.
A heart warming story like this always lifts my spirits and reminds me where my priorities should be:
http://www.ncscooper.com/area-senior-citizen-circles-roundabout-for-5-minutes/
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BillT, very good. If the TPP is as bad as the left says without knowing aht it says, then it just might be good? Anyway, Paul and Ben believe in the redistribution of America wealth and if it sends all our money to help the welps over there, then who is to say it is wrong? I mean, if we can wreck the bottom line for those dastardly corporations and let the villagers in Cambodia get the dough, then I would assume they and Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren would be really really happy!
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CLIMATE WARRIORS ASSEMBLE………
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/dan-walters/article22143216.html
….there’s tax money to spend!
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“Obamacare was conjured and sold for the benefit of health care companies and to increase the reach and scope of the federal government”–
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Is this another example of gov’t intrusion/regulation or the corporations dictating government?
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Posted by: Joe Koyote | 25 May 2015 at 09:09 AM
It hardly matters. Government wanted it…..the healthcare companies were happy to go along.
Much greater control over that 12% of the economy….government lives for that. The insurance companies wanted the guaranteed income resulting from the compulsory purchase mandate. I can’t wait to watch them jump ship or screw uncle stupid for more money later! Best part of all…..they’ve barely covered any of 33 million uninsured that the law was supposed to help!
It would be funny if it wasn’t sad! Ah…who am I kidding….it’s funny as hell!
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jeffpelline says:
May 20, 2015 at 5:14 pm
I got a call from Dr. Phil, who wondered what was going on at Rebane’s Ruminations. He’s worried.
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jeffy……Dunkin Donuts called they were worried about what was going on with you…….also Jerk Store!
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Todd
I never supported Obamacare. I was all for single payer health care.
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Depending on whose numbers one wants to believe, the range for Obamacare uninsured enrollment runs between 5 million on the low end to 16.4 million on the high end.
“Government wanted it…..the healthcare companies were happy to go along.” Yes, government wanted it, so the US would not be the only developed country in the world without some kind of public healthcare plan and it has been a Democratic party priority since the Clinton days, but we all know that Obama is a corporate goon, just like the Clintons, and every mainstream Republican. But I think that if it would have been a pure gov’t plan it would have been “single payer”, which was never seriously on the table. It should have been called “republican care” but that is another story.
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” Instead of cherry picking Google, I would invite you to join the ASI (Arctic Sea Ice) forum. Our members include some of the most prominent people in the field of shipping and cross arctic passage. http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?topic=854.0
Posted by: joe smith | 24 May 2015 at 06:35 PM ”
Checking your favored site, I found the same sorts of Warmistas as can be found at the usual activist sites. Hint… skepticalscience isn’t a science site.
Here’s a weather site, check about halfway down for histographs showing the number of days the Northwest Passage and the Northeast Passage have been fully free of ice:
http://weathernews.com/GIC/nreport/ntopics/2014/20141028.html
The trends do not look promising, do they? Do your designated authorities have differing counts?
Then there’s Arctic air temperatures, here’s the Danish record, the last couple of summers have been significantly cooler than normal, with a fraction of the usual number of days above freezing.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
Your hyperbole misses the mark. Again. We’re not facing a drastic warming event in the Arctic. We do have varying weather.
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I am dumbfounded (and I realize I am leaving myself wide open with that choice of words) that more of you aren’t outraged at the fast-track process for approving TPP. You say you’ll wait until the details are released before you state an opinion. By then, it will be too late. The whole point of “fast-track” is that there will be NO discussion and No amendments.
These trade deals allow corporations to skirt US labor laws and avoid environmental protections (no wonder you aren’t upset about this). Corporations rove the world looking for third world counries to exploit – and when the workers get “too uppity” by demanding living wages, they move to the next unfortunate country. This is modern day slavery.
With TPP, they won’t have to move. They can simply sue a country for loss of “potential” profits if they raise wages.
BTW, 88% of fast food workers are over 20. As American jobs keept dwindling, entry level jobs are all that is left which is why so many people are working two or three jobs. You would have to work a 250 hour work week to afford an averaged price 2 BD apt in LA, a 350 hour week in SF makin minimum wages. What is wrong with this picture?
Shouldn’t it be enough that Obama wants it for you to oppose it? It’s kinda funny that you conservatives are siding with Obama, while progressives oppose him on this issue (because we base our opinions on principles, not personalities).
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But I think that if it would have been a pure gov’t plan it would have been “single payer”, which was never seriously on the table.
Good thing too….government is already is already driving Medicare into the ditch…..why let them destroy two actuarially unsound health care programs?
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You say you’ll wait until the details are released before you state an opinion. By then, it will be too late. The whole point of “fast-track” is that there will be NO discussion and No amendments.
But, but, but Patricia….didn’t you know that under P^3 (Progressive Pelosi Protocol) most really important legislation requires you to pass it in order to see what’s in it?
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….while progressives oppose him on this issue (because we base our opinions on principles, not personalities).
Ladies and gentlemen I give you your “Rebanes Ruminations” joke of the day!
This is your 2nd hat tip this week Patricia…..kudos!
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George, Gregory, Emery and anyone else who wants to chime in what is the historical precedence of the Fast Track process for TPP that is being supported by the Senate? When has it been used in the past.
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As a conservative, I’m totally against the TPP.
If for no other reason than the secrecy and the increased power it gives the executive branch. But then I was against Obamacare for the same reasons and for that I, and others were called racist.
Why aren’t the folks against the TPP racist as well?
It’s a total laugh to see the lefties here all howl for the govt to take over health care. The same stooges of the evil capitalists that you complain about will now have total control of your health care. The same govt that runs the NSA and the VA will now control your access to all health care. Does that even begin to make sense?
And yes – that applies to ‘single payer’. The payer aint you. The one who pays the piper calls the tune. Single payer is total control of your health care by the same lackys of the running dog capitalists you claim you hate. That will include B Sanders, who we now realize thanks to Patricia is a stooge of the capitalists.
I think you lefties had better go figure out what the heck you really do believe and get back to us.
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Fish, I am not a fan of Pelosi either (and don’t get me started on Feinstein). BTW, how long do I have to accumulate my third hat tip?
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Paul Emery, you never supported Ocare? You want an even worse healthcare system in “sngle payer”? Jeeze do you know how ridiculous your comment is?
Regarding Ocare and the numbers. Sorry but it is a flop. It was sold to the country (well by 100% od democrats) as a way to insure those 40 million uninsured. Well, maybe that number was made up from whole cloth. After two years of enrollment Ocare may be maxed out at the true number of about seven million. And that seven million is mostly BS because the taxpayers pick up the “subsidies” to get the “poor” enrolled. It is all bogus.
The TPP terror by the left is totally cracking me up. Patricia has not read the treaty, all her pals have not read it, all the big shots in DC have not read it and yet she is opposed to it. Hey Patricia, what if the treaty says on;y “union” employees can get the jobs? Would you be for it then?
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Patricia, could you tell us all about the legislation passed that was sponsored by Bernie Sanders?
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