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George Rebane

This afternoon the Nevada County Supervisors heard a presentation on the State of Jefferson by the movement's local steering committee.  It was followed by public comment from both pro and con residents of our county.  I made the following statement during the public comment segment.

I too want to thank you for hearing from the State of Jefferson steering committee.  I am a proponent of advancing this historical experiment in constitutional self-government.  It is indisputable that the voices and values of rural counties have been largely ignored in many state houses.  Until recently these counties have been resigned to their second class status by staying the same ol’ same ol’ course.  But to more of us, continuing to follow Rodney King’s appeal to ‘just get along’ brings to mind a famous man’s definition of insanity.

We realize that today the SoJ movement is still new, not well understood, and therefore opposed by more than the usual collectivists whose historical aim has always been to increase the size of Leviathan under which we labor today.  For them the creation of smaller and more like-minded jurisdictions such as SoJ is counter to the global unification goal they hold dear.

It also appears that our Nevada County government staff has taken a strong stand against SoJ by suggesting that when compared to other so-called SoJ counties in northern California, our county stands out as the best while still ‘working together with’ Sacramento.  However, to me the staff’s data tables tell a different and more illuminating tale.  Historically these rural counties have enjoyed productive economies based on agriculture, timber, mining, and recreation.  But that was before Washington and Sacramento unleashed their massive bureaucratic assault, enforcing on them versions of dubious and scientifically unsupported bromides that promise to save the environment and stop manmade global warming.

Today the years of buckling under diktats from the likes of the EPA, CARB, Water Resources Board, and other government agencies have devastated the region’s economies and resulted in the dire statistics that our county staff has assembled.  Nevada County’s placement at the top of that sorry heap has less to do with any bounty from Sacramento, than with our fortunate proximity to a large urban corridor, and our historical but now diminishing industrial base.  In short, the data you have been presented is simply a detailed epitaph in the making for rural counties that have gone along to get along with Leviathan, only to reap a dismal reward for their cooperation.

To my mind the only remaining viable alternative to SoJ is our joining or even leading the growing national movement to restore ‘permissionless innovation’ by simply adopting ‘Just Say NO!’ as a response to insane and inane regulations.  As a fortuitous coincidence, today is the release date of By the People: Rebuilding Liberty Without Permission from the celebrated political scientist and sociologist Charles Murray.  This book is a ‘how to’ manual for America’s small businesses and political jurisdictions going viral to effectively resist and turn back regulations which are “pointless, stupid, and tyrannical”.  It contains a detailed plan of how Americans can start saying NO!, one regulation at a time.  And in the event you missed Murray’s nationally published essay on the subject this weekend, I will gladly email you the link.  Gentlemen, I suggest that change for the better is afoot across this land. 

Finally, all the arguments against SoJ rest on stasist projections.  Stasism is the belief that we can see tomorrow only through the lens of current practices kept rigidly unchanged.  Its corollary is ‘if it hasn't been done, it can't be done’.  But proponents of the State of Jefferson believe that in this most exceptional country the world has ever seen, the new and the never-been-tried has always served as a beacon to innovation, enterprise, and in the end, a better life.  Thank you.


[update]  The BoS session on SoJ lasted almost exactly two hours; way too short of a time to get everything aired.  But hopefully, the Supes will take a deeper look at the wisdom of forming the State of Jefferson.  Their next step would be to agree to a resolution or declaration in support of doing more discovery about SoJ, a move which should eventually make Nevada County a participant in the conversation on how to approach Sacramento on the matter, and what course to take if Sacramento blows us off.

The progressives’ mantra of financial infeasibility is a stasist red herring that may persuade the low information type voters (and politicians).  But an important factor that did not get more mention beyond my comment is that SoJ and ‘Just say NO!’ can now advance from a national awareness to a national movement.  Unfortunately all of today’s commenters  – including some who shared substantial autobiographies to frame their feelings –  focused on an extremely parochial perspective that posed the SoJ initiative in a vacuum relating only to northern California rural counties, as if such experiences about representation and self-determination were not shared by the rest of the country.

It is my strong belief that SoJ in California will succeed only to the extent that it can connect with other such movements in America, and in the process give and draw strength from the national initiatives, be they for the formation of new states or aggressive civil disobedience against pointless, stupid, and tyrannical regulations.  If SoJ decides to fly solo into the assured maelstrom of progressive resistance, it will fail on all counts.  If it joins arms with such movements across the country, the chances for increasing the number of states in the union, or at least achieving significant regulatory rollback, will increase sufficiently to make the enterprise a betting man’s game.

Kudos to Board chairman Ed Scofield and the supervisors for running a model town hall session where all had a chance to hear from the State of Jefferson promoters and the public who also wanted their voices heard.  God bless us, we are still America!

[18may15 update]  More people have weighed in on last Tuesday's SoJ presentation to the BoS.  Mr George Boardman, columnist for The Union who frequents these pages, offered his thoughts in the newspaper's 18may15 edition (here).  While correctly identifying Nevada County as the potential Marin County of the new SoJ, he succumbed to the stasist (q.v.) view of how the remainder of the new state would fare economically.  Generating stasist projections is a simple, comfortable, and readily communicable enterprise, but also overwhelmingly error prone and a hard addiction to shed.

I also received an email from Mr Eduard (Eddie) Garcia, chairman of the NC SoJ steering committee, with his attached thoughts on last week's event and its echoes.  I believe he has submitted them to The Union which could have productively paired the two viewpoints, but apparently chose not to.  In any event, Mr Garcia's unedited piece follows.

OBSERVATIONS ON THE MAY 12TH PRESENTATION TO THE BOS

Last Tuesday, May 12th, the Board of Supervisors listened to a presentation about the State of Jefferson movement.  By The Union’s account, over 250 people attended the presentation.  The meeting was presided by the Chair of the Board, Supervisor Ed Scofield, who, very even-handedly, allowed  proponents and opponents of the State of Jefferson to express their opinions.

The opposition to a new state seems to share its concerns with the State of Jefferson proponents that the rural counties of Northern California do not have a voice in our State Legislature.

However, there is a disagreement on what should be the remedy to our lack of representation.  The  opposition’s solution seems to fit perfectly a definition of insanity: keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results!

The opposition also bases their position largely in their belief that the State of Jefferson is not financially sustainable.  They are not providing any data to support that belief.  We, on the other hand, have submitted studies that show the absolute financial viability of the future 51st state.  I would like to invite our opposition to a public discussion on this issue at which time data could be examined in depth to clarify this issue.  Since this issue seems to also be of great concern to our Board of Supervisors and our county’s CEO, it would be very informative if our Board of Supervisors would schedule a hearing to have both sides present their case for discussion.

The CEO of our county seems to have jumped into the fray by including a document entitled “Various Comparisons with Jefferson Counties” in his May 8th weekly Friday Memo.  In it he compares Nevada County to eight selected counties out of the twenty that are working to become the 51st state.  In these comparisons, Nevada County comes out on top in most criteria.  That is no surprise since our BOS and the CEO are doing a great job administering our county.  The implication of these comparisons would seem to be that Nevada County should not become a part of the new state.  However the CEO did not attend the presentation, when he might have had any questions answered.  It would have been more informative if all 20 counties under consideration would have been included in the comparison.

One does have to question what prompted our CEO to publish such a document four days ahead of the State of Jefferson presentation.  While the CEO’s office does a great job of administering our county, perhaps it would have been more appropriate to listen to the grassroots presentation and ask questions if necessary, rather than issue an incomplete document.

While Mr. Haffey is perfectly free to offer his personal opinion, one would question the motivation behind publishing an “opinion” as the CEO of our county.

One last observation on the May 12th meeting.  At one point, it was requested that the opponents to the SOJ raise their hands followed by a request that the supporters raise theirs.  By my humble, conservative estimate the supporters’ hands far outnumbered the opponents’!

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114 responses to “Supes hear State of Jefferson prezo (updated 18may15)”

  1. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, you seriously are delusional, and very mistaken.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt, Wild and Scenic is a economic bust except in one area. The “grants” of taxpayer money to do the things the landowners used to do for free. A bunch of hippies attending the local “smokefest” of goofy art here is putting little into the coffers of the business people here.
    I recall the debate on Wild and Scenic in the 90’s as the proponents told us how many people were using the river and how WandS would attract so many more. Then the river got algae blooms after they took over! Nothing the private owners of the lands would do could be as crappy as the WandS fiasco for Nevada County. What a hoot!

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oops left out the fact that Izzy Martin went to Byron Sher, a State Senator from the Bay area to carry the WandS because it was opposed by our own legislators and populace. That’s how it started sort of like ObamaCare later. No support from the folks but a lot from the libs. It is a disaster for the county. I recall the algae blooms actually caused the river access to be shut down. What did they do to the Yuba? Jeeze, we all used to swim in it until the libs got their hands on it.

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  4. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Yeah Izzy bypassed our reps to get what she and her cohorts wanted…by hook or crook. Kinda think the algae was caused by lotsa pee in low, warm water. And even more obvious has been the necessity to clean up all the trash left behind by environmentally concerned people enjoying the river. Amazing.

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  5. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from jon – “the arrogant Dirty Harry approach using your water example isn’t going to cut it here.”
    What’s Dirty Harry got to do with it? SoJ would have an abundance of water. The rest of Kali would not. As it is, LA is currently stealing water it has no legal right to from the Colorado. Supply and demand, my friend. They would need SoJ water and would have to start paying for it. Have you ever been to a store, jon? You have money and they have something you want. You pay them money and then you get the item from the store that you desire. When you go shopping, do you consider the people at the store to have a arrogant, Dirty Harry attitude?
    Which takes us back to my point about how Kali knows this and is not about to let their ‘source’ of free water go away.

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  6. Walt Avatar

    Yes, I remember those days well. Dizzy Izzy had to carpetbag to points South to stick it to Nev. Co. I guess they count the parking tickets issued for illegal parking as “income”,
    as well as the arrests for drugs and alcohol down at “the river”. All money makers.
    “jon” has yet to prove his “millions” in any way shape or form. All that land was forked over to the state to control.
    Growing up here, Bridgeport was a great place to go. Now it’s a zoo on a hot day.
    And not the “money spending” kind of people go there. It’s rude, mouthy, idiots from the valley.
    “jon” REALLY needs to support his “millions” claim. ( maybe if he added it up from the past 15 years, he might break a million) That’s a lot of gas and beer,, and maybe a “weedman” in any given parking lot.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Apparently some guy named Bishop didn’t know there are and/or were, private landowners along the river. Jeeze are these people educated at all?

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  8. Walt Avatar

    Yes, Todd,, they got arm twisted… uh, “willing sell/willing buyer”. ( We can make things REALLY difficult for ya’)

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  9. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Patty, sorry I thought you were polly parrot. That still leave the matter of my pissy pit bull panting for a play date with polly parrot and if there are any pieces of polly parrot left we can prepare polly parrot pot pie!

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  10. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Don, your comment proves you aren’t smoking weed. That’s a tongue twister if I ever heard one. Apology accepted.

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  11. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Scott, good luck convincing our BOS of the merits of SOJ based on the water theory. Reason NevCo will never support SOJ is because there never will/never can be a solid pro-forma presented to a Board with a very good history of fiscal discipline.

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  12. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, sorry you hate visitors to Nevada County partaking in our State Park activities spending their money here, and wanting to return again. How rude is that? You’d rather we discourage Bay Area visitors and their money?

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  13. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    sorry Walt, I just re-read your rants about visitors to Bridgeport. You would prefer Bay Area types with money and don’t like mouthy, trashy idiots from the Central Valley. Or something. Gotcha. Just classy, educated types like yourself.

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Nope,, I’m not a “drawbridger”. When was the last time YOU spent time down at “the river”?
    Every year volunteers need to pull vast amounts of garbage from the “wild and scenic” river. ( Left by friends of yours?) They buy their “whatever” at home (wherever that is) and leave it where they “party”. Yup,, those state park rangers are sure earning their keep.
    You have yet to prove your “millions spent here” BS.. What will be the next wild number to be pulled from that colostomy bag? LIB and friends are real good at wildass claims.
    I guess you forget that illegal dope is what keeps the county afloat. ( Just ask Patricia)
    Not ECO tourists on that special trip to the river.
    As for the SoJ,, more people than not like the idea here. We are not the only ones in the nation looking to part ways with the “state” because of bureaucratic LIB BS.
    Colorado has some “breakaways”, as well as NY.
    I will have the lawn chairs out, sitting at the new state line, watching the exodus of Progressives fleeing.(or getting evicted..)

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  15. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    No one who leaves trash is a friend of mine, or anyone at SYRCL or similar conservation groups. Those pigs you describe aren’t aligned with me or any progressive-minded organizations. You don’t really know what you’re talking about.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    But “jon”!! Those are the ones you say are “spending money” up here. “They” are the ones who frequent the most. Not the “tourist”.
    My friends “in low places” ( those working behind the counter at the gas stations in PV)
    bitch about the valley riff raff “going to the river” all the time in the summer.
    And you wonder why it’s trashed all the time.
    Like I asked.. When was the last time YOU went? There is nothing “scenic” about it.
    I was out that way several times a month last year. How bout you? What was parked along side the road? Not “tourist type” buggys,, more like escapees from “Cash for clunkers”.
    Start charging a use fee like most other state parks.
    Again.. Where is that proof of “millions”? Let’s have the link.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    re Jon’s 1052am – In the face of the claimed “pigs” non-aligned with progressives, we must always remind ourselves of how the people of the Left deport themselves when they gather to celebrate or protest, and the pig stys they leave behind. And then compare that to how those of the Right behave in similar situations. One culture destroys the commons and expects others to repair it, and the other says it is our commons and we have to maintain it ourselves.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 15 May 2015 at 11:36 AM
    My ex wife and her sister spoke at length about how trashed the “Earth Day” festival they went to in Reno in the 90’s was.

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  19. Walt Avatar

    Seems “we” had to pick up the trash even here. “jon” (Jeffy) tried to leave a steaming pile , with claims of “millions of tourist dollars” all because of the “wild and scenic” land grab. Seems the bullsh*t has walked.

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  20. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, fascinating to watch you expound on your description of “valley riff-raff”/libs.. I’m not sure the folks you refer to are all that political. 🙂

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  21. Walt Avatar

    That’s the best ya’ got? It’s ones “your side” counts on votes from. ( Where is my free stuff?)
    So How bout those “millions”? Jeffy? Yup,, ” fascinating” ( Spock your not.. But a “piece of work” for sure.)
    But keep making shit up to fit the need. And as usual, if not me, someone else will put up the facts to flush you BS down the crapper.( another cleanup job done by others)

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  22. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    So you really think people who trash the river up are registered and active voters? Come on Walt, your silly rants have reached a new level of inane.

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  23. Walt Avatar

    How do you know they are not? Now your grasping at straws Jeffy.
    Ya’ have achieved TROLL status today. Now lets see the facts on that “millions” claim.
    YOU said it,, PROVE it. Otherwise, back under your bridge.
    When the SoJ becomes reality ( and with LIBS taxing and spending the way the do) probably sooner than later, then where will you go? Carpetbag back to the “old” state?
    Things will be SO much better for the working class. No more CA. mandated crapcans for cars, and trucks, Heavy equipment won’t be 30% more expensive because of CARB regs.
    And that’s just for starters.

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  24. Walt Avatar

    Hay Jeffy! Is THIS how you would react to a law that sticks it to radical ECO loons?
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/15/legal-exposure-wyoming-law-could-mean-jail-for-sunset-picture-claims-critic/
    Yup, go WAY “out there” and say taking “scenic” photos will get ya’ thrown in jail.
    To our good Doc. Add this law to the SoJ charter. The ECO gang will surely start flinging poo.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The people leaving the trash are democrats/liberals. They do it all the time. Just look at “Occupy Wall Street”. Hell Nancy Pelosi, the most powerful gal in America at the time, support OWS and their activities. My guess is they were raised in kennels and never taught to respect others and others property. Once the dogs got old enough they registered as democrats and now they ring their crap to our county and its rivers. Good call WALT!

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  26. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    HAY Walt! The river people that trash the Yuba and destroy property in that ARIA do not vote in elections, period. You are on Planet Delusional if you think otherwise.

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  27. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “HAY Walt! The river people that trash the Yuba and destroy property in that ARIA do not vote in elections, period.”
    You have no proof whatever to back up that statement, jon.
    Those of us that live in reality have seen the trashed parks and public areas time and time again when ever ‘progressives’ gather. Just Google it, if you care.

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  28. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    We’re going to disagree because no one has ever surveyed destructive river people I would imagine. Common sense would dictate that people that irresponsible and destructive don’t participate in responsible civic duties, nor do they even know the dates of elections.

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  29. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    I think we’ve hit on a major flaw in conservative thinking. Righties see and read about OWS bad behavior and think that that somehow translates into votes for progressive candidates in an election. I would say to you- there isn’t a shred of evidence that would be the case. People destroying property in a park or river aren’t progressive or liberal. They are destructive ANARCHISTS. Unless there is an Anarchist candidate on the ballot, why would you think they would support anyone of a major party?

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Anarchist candidate…….?

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  31. Walt Avatar

    Jeffy. Seems your the one who’s delusional. It’s a known fact that it’s LIBS who have the mental disorder. ( Need for me to supply the link?,, yes,, there ARE a few)
    So The PRO LIB bumper stickers on those refugees from “cash for clunkers” I see “down there, are only for looks.
    What will we read about come next election time? Something like this from the Left? ” Cast your vote for a bag of dope!”.. ( Oh wait… I read about that one already)
    And on the subject of delusional,, now would be a good time to show some proof of that “millions” you spewed forth about.
    Still,, not a word on just what is “scenic” about a dry bush covered canyon. DO TELL.. ( naaa,, not going to happen.. Delusions have set in. That seems to be your favorite word today.)

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  32. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    ding ding ding, that’s the point fish.

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  33. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Hay Walt, take a photo of a PRO LIB bumper sticker on the car of someone trashing the river with their cheap beer cans next time so I can see it :). We don’t believe you.

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  34. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, still hoping for a repeal of the Wild and Scenic designations when your fictional SOJ is created? Ain’t happening Mr. Dirt.

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jon | 15 May 2015 at 03:48 PM
    You are once again incorrect. The Park Service did a number of interviews/Surveys at river access spots of river folks back when the SYRCL people were trying to foist Wild and Scenic on the County and the river’s private landowners. You need to do better homework. LIB and DEMS “Jon”. Trash the place and wreck it for the good people. Algae blooms, river shutdowns and now I heard parking fees! Where do you think your lib/dem people crap? In the river!

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  36. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Righties, Bushies gee who talks that way? Sock puppet says ‘we don’t believe you.’ Who is the ‘we’? Lice or fleas don’t count, perhaps a mouse in the pocket?

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  37. Walt Avatar

    Oh oh,, Our TROLL is about to blow a fuse. I can hear ya’ snort’n and puff’n all the way down here in PV, Jeffy. ( So loose “jon” the jig is up…)
    How bout those “millions”? Jeffy,,,? ( just pulling wild numbers out of your backside as usual. Better wash that forearm digging so deep)

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  38. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    I see, State Parks surveyed their political views and voter registration status! Keep going Todd, this is great.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yes and it was all dems bubba.

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  40. Walt Avatar

    Jeffy just won’t answer pointed questions.. Why not Jeffy? At least you could make stuff up, as a good try. I will ask again.. Just what is “scenic” about it? It’s sure one HELL of a fire hazard. The Park rangers really need to frisk all who enter for lighters and matches. We better close it off this year.. Just to be safe. Then will be no need for a river clean-up in Sept. from what LIB voters left behind.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    Hay Jeffy.. ” NO SoJ”,, Never happen!”,, Really..? I recall a time when “they” said “pot will NEVER be legal.” Uh,,, As you were saying? ( I heard LIBS were going to keep winning elections too… How did that work out? Even Nancy P., and Debby W. Schultz assured you that LIBS would hold the Senate and take back the House.) So your “Karnack the magnificent”
    prediction that SoJ will “never happen” is already on thin ice.( even less with AGW)

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  42. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    OK there Jeffy. Whatever you say.

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  43. Walt Avatar

    No,, YOUR Jeffy.. I’m Walt… Can’t keep your fictitious names right anymore?

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    Jon 353pm – It is remarkable that all those non-voters for Obama showed up at his inaugurations and trashed the Washington Mall. Yet when conservatives (e.g. for the Glenn Beck affair) showed up, they left the place cleaner than they found it. And that has happened throughout the state capitals and major cities in the land.
    To argue that we are not sure that these trash dispensers are not voters of the Left is beyond ludicrous.
    fish 358pm – your comment again didn’t have the correct HTML tag to end italics, which made every comment thereafter in italics. A little more care please.

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  45. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    It has been pointed out that Pattie S is over on the liberal lament land claiming there were no deputies at the SOJ presentation and the poor old asa is being discriminated against. Uh pattie, review the video. I was in the back row right by the press box entrance. I saw a deputy by the doors near the bathrooms and had one by the press box for most of the event.

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  46. Walt Avatar

    Was there a riot or mass confrontation no one heard about? sound like the MRAP should have been deployed. And just what was the asa’s beef this time? Discrimination you say? What? getting ignored? The news images are out on Google Earth for the aria. ( my place as a date of 30 days ago). Yup the pot plantations are already looking good. ( Big ones) Ya’ can’t miss them.

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  47. Walt Avatar

    Another group of LIBS a few years back also left their crap for others to pick up.
    Our past editor of The Union told of how he had to pick up the “peacenik’s” leavings
    when they came rolling into town one snowy day. And The Union was nice enough to allow them to start their funeral march from there. He put pictures in the paper even.
    They sure knew how to say “Thank You”. ( Sucker,, now you clean up our mess.)

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  48. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, are you an opera buff? Always talking about arias. But hay, who knew? 🙂

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  49. Walt Avatar

    Sorry Bubba, I deal in facts. ( unlike you) But one thing is for sure, you make for good theater. Who needs opera when there is you for free entertainment? The only challage is getting a sane answer from you.
    Why is it most LIBS can’t fathom truth or reality?

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  50. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Hey Bubba, Challage is a French word. Bet you didn’t know that.

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