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George Rebane

[This is the transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 6 May 2015.]

“Civil asset forfeiture is a decades-old tool that gives law enforcement the power to seize property if it’s suspected of being related to a crime. … California has safeguards in place to protect innocent people from the harmful practices of civil asset forfeiture. However, a new report from the Drug Policy Alliance (download here) found that such measures haven’t stopped law enforcement agencies from using federal forfeiture laws to circumvent state policies.”  So advises a recent report in The Daily Signal.  The specifics of how the state’s corrupt law enforcement agencies take advantage of this end-run to enrich their own coffers should enrage all of us.  Unfortunately, even though this is a nationwide problem with many calls for reform, for some reason our media chooses not to report such summary takings from innocent citizens.


In recent months the thin veil of civilization has suffered several rips in various cities across the land.  The uneven public focus has been applied to something labeled racist bias in police departments or police brutality against minorities.  And this has caused our Dept of Justice to paint most local law enforcement agencies with the broad brush of racism in the minds of most black people.  Such an indictment has not always been backed by evidence (as in Ferguson), or the officers, accused of misconduct and worse, have been submitted to a peremptory trial by mob in the media even before the formal judicial process is launched.

Now I am not implying that the police in NYC and Baltimore were innocent of the deaths they caused.  But I am saying that the relationship between urban constabularies and law abiding citizens still needs a lot of healing since the race riots of the 1960s, in spite of the great gains made by minorities over the intervening decades.

Today we are being told of an established conflict of interest between these same law enforcement agencies and the citizens of all races, means, and backgrounds.  Whenever a police action can result in a direct financial benefit to the police department, you can be sure that such actions will be misused and abused.  This is exactly what has happened with civil asset forfeitures in which the police effectively wind up being the judge, jury, and executioner in seizing private property using applicable federal laws to circumvent more restrictive state laws.

In California alone, civil asset forfeitures have increased from $36M in 2002 to over $100M in 2013.  And we have to realize that such forfeitures occur outside of established due processes in which there is a presumption of innocence before the property is seized.  In such seizures all that is required is for the police to have an internal determination that the property in question is “suspected” of being related to criminal activity in some way.

Placing such peremptory takings under federal law gives local police additional cover, since then they are participating with federal agents under the Department of Justice, and subsequently split the take as prescribed by that department’s so-called Equitable Sharing Program.  In states with relatively lax civil forfeiture laws, the state and police departments split the loot 50-50.  However, in states like California with strict forfeiture laws, the police working under federal law get to keep 80% of the take.

All of these roughshod policing policies serve to erode public confidence in local law enforcement.  Arguing that they are necessary to reduce crime rates doesn’t hold water.  What such policies do is shift perceived criminality and injustice from hoodlums to those charged with maintaining security under our system of law and order.  When our police practice thuggery without recourse, we will come to live under a totalitarian system like the former USSR which also trumpeted its low crime rates.  In closing, I want to remind listeners that just because it isn’t in the news does not mean it is not happening – do your own research and then contact your elected representatives.

Speaking of doing your own research, if you want to find out more about the ongoing State of Jefferson movement and voice your opinion, then attend next Tuesday’s meeting of the Nevada County Board of Supervisors at the Rood Center after lunch.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

 

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105 responses to “The Rising Tide of Civil Asset Forfeiture”

  1. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott 09 May 2015 at 12:36 PM
    What rock have you just climbed out from under?
    There is a whole movement called Black Lives Matter, have you adjusted to the light enough yet to read about it.
    http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Why so nasty Ben Emery? Is it the meds? Jeeze, there is no reason to be so nasty to ScottO, he is way smarter than you.

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  3. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George, 09 May 2015 at 09:37 AM
    Actually it is that you do not see your own blind spots George. You are a huge promoter of top down policies both in private and public sectors that are the antithesis of being libertarian of any stripe.
    What Utah Phillips and myself encourage is decentralization of power. When power isn’t concentrated in the hands of a relatively small few we all have more say in how our shared lives(society) are run. Our government and big business is not to be blindly trusted with anything.

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  4. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Bill, do your research. The ACLU has defended gun owner’s rights on many occasions. They defend EVERYONE equally which is why fringe folks don’t like them (from both sides). And they defend ALL the amendments – not just the second one.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/04/05/319913/-The-ACLU-and-the-NRA-working-together

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I like the Pacific Legal Foundation for defending people’s rights. The ACLU is not bad either but the PLF more in tune to the Bill of Rights.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 738am – Your just saying it doesn’t make it so. My beliefs are on record here for all to see (in addition to my credo). So it would be an easy matter for you to give examples of my writings that promote “top down policies both in private and public sectors that are the antithesis of (my) being libertarian of any stripe.”
    I believe that RR readers will not be surprised if you send the cricket corps to substantiate your charge.
    But you and Utah Phillips have both been self-declared leftists who have voted for policies and the party of an ever bigger state that seeks to remove every vestige of the Bastiat Triangle from American society.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 10 May 2015 at 07:24 AM
    There is a whole movement called Black Lives Matter, have you adjusted to the light enough yet to read about it.

    Really? Have black folks been made aware of this movement…….cuz da bruthas be killing each otha in hella numbas in progressive strongholds like Chicago, Detroit, Camden, Philly, etc.

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 10 May 2015 at 08:13 AM
    Actually it’s worse than that George. Ben thinks by employing the same tired leftist rhetoric that he can achieve the “magnetic monopole” of politics, the seamless and comprehensive welfare state. You know the one to which I refer….the government that kisses every booboo, wipes every bottom, levels every playing field without simultaneously being the centralized leviathan that Bens claims to hate.
    The current progressive in the White House had a chance to devolve power by letting a significant portion of the banking sector collapse and by making sure that whatever followed was never allowed to morph into the “too big to fail, too big to jail” entities that are still with us today! As I’m sure you can guess, Ben was against this because he said it would cause “suffering”…..and in this he was correct, it would have been unpleasant….for a while. But after this period hopefully a better run, less politically influential banking sector could have aided in repairing a damaged US economy.
    This sacrifice was apparently to severe for Ben.

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Karl Marx envisioned a decentralized Goverment with the workers bees in the factory calling the shots and determining their own destiny. Local control. That is how it looked on paper. The Matrix is not perfect.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 932am – Ah, but there was the rub Mr Tozer. The worker bees were never to be able to determine their individual destinies; at best only to democratically vote for a collective destiny. And when it came to implementation, today only the leftwing loonies are surprised that there always arose an elite with guns who gave the worker bees only one path forward to either approve or, at their individual peril, disapprove.
    Today the same loonies are working hard to revive such a collective, promising that next time there will arise no tyrannical elite with guns, but only proletarian Potemkin puppets happy dancing in the streets. But then, you knew that.

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  11. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Don Bessee, 5/09, 12:47 The drug dealer you reference may have been a law enforcement officer. See this link for more details: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-yuba-city-police-officer-arrested-drug-trafficking-probe-20150415-story.html.
    People close to the story stated that the pot robbery was conducted in a para-military fashion that led them to believe that the perps were trained gov’t personnel. So who get’s the forfeited money when both sides are law enforcement?

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  12. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Pattie that’s a very lame attempt at a distraction from the point we are talking about. There is no connection to that Yuba story whatsoever. Calling BS on your evasion. You previously claimed no such case happened, can’t back that up so toss in a red herring. The pot was not stolen in the case in Nevada County so it does not match your effort to misdirect attention.

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  13. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Don, wrong again! Show me where I denied that someone was shot. I questioned whether this one incident was the sole source of forfeited funds. Two, pot was stolen (just not all of it). Three, it is entirely relevant to the conversation. The Yuba story happened just after the event you described and even before we knew about the Yuba situation, there was already speculation that someone in LE committed the crime based on statements from people in the know. (I’m not saying it was anyone from the NCSO.)

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  14. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Patricia Smith 7:43AM
    That ‘man bites dog’ story in the Daily Kos about the ACLU finding limited common ground with the NRA in one vast overreach of police power doesn’t erase the ACLU’s punting on any hint of the 2nd being an individual, not a collective, right. The standard model of the 2nd, that the first half is statement of reasons, and the second half being a statement of law regarding an individual right became settled law. That was in spite of the ACLU who talk a good game but, after losing so many members over supporting the Nazi’s right to march in Skokie, they pretty much abandoned supporting causes that pissed off their Progressive wing.

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Actually it is that you do not see your own blind spots George. You are a huge promoter of top down policies both in private and public sectors that are the antithesis of being libertarian of any stripe.
    What Utah Phillips and myself encourage is decentralization of power. When power isn’t concentrated in the hands of a relatively small few we all have more say in how our shared lives(society) are run. Our government and big business is not to be blindly trusted with anything.”
    Bre’r Ben 7:38AM
    When talking to a friendly political audience, like the “peace vigils” before the resumption of shooting in the Iraq war(s), Utah was a lying sack of sh*t, claiming the majority of the country that was behind the resumption hated the Iraqis, and that we shouldn’t hate the Iraqi people.
    No one did as far as I can tell. They did want to stop Iraq’s government from paying bounty to suicide bombers turning busloads of Israeli schoolchildren into red goo, from taking potshots at allied aircraft lawfully supressing Iraqi government forces killing Iraqi Kurds, from fomenting terrorist activity and (yes) traveling to Niger shopping for yellowcake uranium.
    Regarding Ben’s professed love of decentralization of power, nothing is more centralized than the forced decarbonization of the economy of California and of the USA.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Patrica @ 12:42pm. Patty, Patty, Patty. Pointing to speculation that the crime commiters were LE is, at the present time, just speculation. Like the time not too long ago you were concerned that “they” would ban somebody from having a glass of wine at a nice restaurant or having a brewskiin a Sports Bar viewing Deflategate. You are a fine articulate passionate civil libertation, but you lose me when you allow rumor, hearsay, and speculation to formulate conclusions. It may fit the narrative, but may be a valid as the made up shocking campus rape story Rolling Stone Magazine published. “The campus gang rape did not happen, but it could have happened or happens all the time” is a crumbling foundation to stand on, in my seldom humble opinion.
    Patch Pirates often dress up in paramilitary garb. There are “mercenaries” and other folks trained in takedowns (raids) and folks who are amateurs that copy LE tactics after watching too many episodes of Dog the Bounty Hunter. Heck, I walked into a convience store the other day in GV and they were selling ball caps with 3 big letters across the front: FBI.
    In the spirit of overlooking minor and major differences, I saw this article and thought you might find it interesting. Has some big implications if…. I also had no idea that 3/4 of the jurisdictions in CO ban marihuana. It’s all in Obama’s court now. A very fitting basketball pun if I do say so myself.
    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/05/10/ready-or-not-the-federal-government-is-about-to-we.aspx?source=eogyholnk0000001

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  17. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben at 7:24 – way out in front of you, Ben. I know all about it. In fact, I knew that ALL lives matter way before this bit of nonsense came along. I have a funny habit of looking at the big picture. White ‘progressives’ decided to start an ethnic cleansing in this country over 100 years ago. It didn’t work well enough so they figured to at least keep most of them rounded up on govt projects and give them just enough to survive on. Then the govt did everything it could to destroy black America’s family structure and have lower standards for non whites so it would look like they were helping them. This country will pay the price for decades to come. And America’s blacks will be suffering the worst.
    I wonder if there is one single leftist in this country that has the intellectual curiosity to consider the fact that blacks in this country do the worst in cities run by leftists?

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ben Emery and the rest of the left think that Planned Parenthood is there to allow women to control their own bodies. But it was put together by Margaret Sanger who was a true believer in “eugenics”.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
    Sanger could be considered a “racist” in today’s lingo since the bulk of abortions are of black babies. What do you say Ben Emery? Is your heroine Sanger a racist? Is Planned Parenthood a practitioner of eugenics? If so does that make you a racist?

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    Sanger could be considered a “racist” in today’s lingo since the bulk of abortions are of black babies. What do you say Ben Emery? Is your heroine Sanger a racist? Is Planned Parenthood a practitioner of eugenics? If so does that make you a racist?
    Nahh Todd…..Orwell had this one nailed:

    “The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.”

    Most people read Orwell and consider it a warning……. progressives use it as a “How To” manual.

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, we may have strayed slightly off topic speaking of the ACLU and a antidotal case in Texas 8 years ago. I found a site last week about The Tea Party teaming up with some Eco Nuts in some place to fight restrictions. One page does not a book make.
    Well, they do things differently in Texas. Thanks to the ACLU and its gun right efforts, the good guys won round one in Texas. I know, I know, you can win the battle but lose the war, but we are most grateful for the ACLU’s protection of our liberties. Protection against the bad guys such as our Uncle Sam.
    https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/pb.133154313381817.-2207520000.1431358445./944753482221892/?type=3&theater
    Back to my original point. What protects our rights???
    https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/a.639096312787612.1073741826.133154313381817/946750702022170/?type=1&theater
    We cannot have one without the other, aka, Don’t Tread On Me.

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    Mr Tozer is right, this comment thread on civil rights and blacks being kept on progressive plantations belongs in the 3may15 sandbox. Civil asset forfeiture is an important topic in its own right, and growing more important as LE agencies put anticipated asset seizure monies into their budgets and cynically use RICO laws to deprive Americans of their lives and liberties.

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  22. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    spin spin spin away pattie, Your 9 may 811am- ‘Don B your statements are not correct’. They left tons of weed and heaps of cash, sorry that does not fit your twisting of the narrative. Again the point was that there was no million dollars in Nevada County forfeitures last year and that one case resulted in the bulk of Nevada County 2015 forfeitures. You are just trying to obfuscate by tossing another jurisdictions dirty cop into the mix to slam our County LE with innuendo from your ‘sources’. How very ferguson hands up don’t shoot of you.

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  23. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Yes, George, the ACLU comments have drifted from civil asset forfeiture to gun rights to abortion. Guess what? The ACLU supports all of these positions! Every civil libertarian should embrace the work of this org. And they have not shied away from representing controversial figures or groups. They supported Oliver North and they are now supporting Edward Snowden. They believe that EVERYONE is entitled to the same basic rights.
    Bill, 10May15, 11:12, I was very careful to say that the reports of LE being the perps in the grow house murder was speculation not fact. I realize that patch pirates don paramilitary garb, but you can’t deny that there are rogue officers who commit crimes too. I suppose you read about the Deputy Police Chief in Fresno who was arrested for selling heroin, meth and weed (using people he had busted as his fronts)?
    I have never said that there were current plans to ban drinking, I was comnenting on a policy that is being floated to have a zero tolerance DUI policy like they have endorsed for marijuana. Please be more accurate if you are going to quote me!

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Point taken Patrica. I hope I did not forfeit my most prized possession, which of course is my good standing in your noble eyes. Xxx/ooo. Oh yeah, it was zero adult beverage tolerance in one’s bod-ta if one opts to operate a motor vehicle. I am a worm and a naughty person. I am sorry and now I will sulk away to your room to receive my punishment. No caning please.

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  25. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Oh, it sounds like you would enjoy that waaay to much! No, you’re still aces with me. It’s OK to disagree.

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  26. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott and Todd,
    So it is white progressives that are secretly the enemy for people of color? Ok, now that is a tough one prove. But I would love to see you guys try.

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 11 May 2015 at 07:34 PM
    Why should they have to “prove” anything? They can just shotgun the thread with links to semi related topics like a certain “care bear” who posts here!

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ben Emrey 7:34 PM
    Prove what? I would suggest the proof is all around. The libs have wrecked the black family and I think it is their racism that drives them. They don’t actually want blacks and Latinos here so those white liberals push abortion at any stage of the pregnancy. Even with the baby’s head almost poking at at birth!
    The only reason the “progressives” have allowed minorities to exist is for their vote Ben Emery. Look at what your “progressive” policies and laws have done to these poor people who simply wanted to come to America for a better life. You have relegated them to barrios and ghettos and as you seem to believe, they are all being murdered by the cops. You are a sick puppy.

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  29. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Ben E.- Perhaps I will invite you to a Round Table Buffett with me and Bishop Allen and his truth tellers from the inner cities across the country.

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  30. Patricia Smith Avatar

    11May15, 11:10 Don Bessee
    What is your point? Are you saying NC doesn’t take asset forfeitures? Or that they only came from one bust? Go back and check the thread. I didn’t say the County got $1M. I truthfully don’t know how much they have gotten in total, but a filing in the Union showed hundreds of thousands of dollars from multiple seizures. (I was shown the paper on March 21 so it would have been in the legal filings sometime that week if you want to look it up.)
    But we seem to have gotten off track.The point is that NO forfeitures should take place until a person has been convicted of a crime. Period.
    (For the record, I am not bashing Nevada County, I am criticizing the system that allows this practice to exist.)

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  31. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Don, Todd, and Fish,
    Let me get this straight; white progressives fighting should to shoulder with people of color in the civil rights movement, fighting for fair banking practices, fighting for income equality, fighting for equal opportunity has caused the majority of the problems for people of color in the US.
    It wasn’t being slaves, then basic wage slaves deprived of access to capital by banks that kept them from being able to purchase property, Jim Crow laws, systemic racism/ discrimination, excluded from education, ect… Nope it was those damn white progressives fighting for equality.
    I think you guys are mixing up being progressive and being liberal again. Progressives want to change/ reform policies so everybody has equal opportunity and access. Where liberals will just add social programs to a bad system.

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 1133am – Interesting differentiation, especially in light of both Hillary and Obama self-identifying as progressives.

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  33. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Even as a progressive I can agree that certain govt. programs to help the inner city poor (and rural poor for that matter) had incentives in place that needed to be modified, but were left alone for way too many years. That was not progressive as Ben states, rather the opposite. Unfortunately Dem politicians were not progressive or dynamic enough in monitoring impacts and outcomes in the cities, but were constantly having to fend off right wingers with their own brand of simplistic solutions- to simply cut off most funding and let folks pull themselves up by their bootstraps. The point is- there is no way for most of those folks now to get out of their situation without assistance. All of us are Americans and we are in this together to solve problems. So great, lets talk about changing programs and THINKING about solutions for once, instead of ignoring these poor Americans and taking the easy way out in simply cutting off funding and saying “good luck” to millions of folks who are stuck.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    Jon 1146am – We have been talking about solutions here for the last eight years. They have been based on what once worked for blacks (before the launch of Great Society programs) and today continues to work for non-blacks. It involves a total change of culture that honors familial responsibility, education, self-initiative, and abandonment of victimhood as many black thinkers and writers have taught and continue to tell their brethren. But a reliable litmus test of a progressive is to brand all these as dysfunctional “simplistic solutions”, and demand even more money be spent to do things right the next time. Not enough money has never been the cause of any of these societal problems as we can instantly see by tallying up the trillions spent with no improvement in the aggregate stats that count. But I agree that the conversation must continue because the current state of affairs does not bode well for our Republic.

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  35. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben – you are flagged for total BS.
    “… fighting for equal opportunity….”
    Progressives want equal outcomes, not opportunities.
    Please name one ‘progressive’ that is fighting for school vouchers. Poor blacks being able to attend private schools of their choice would help them right now.
    I notice you won’t (or can’t) respond to my points about what the ‘progressives’ have actually done. Instead, you come back with vague words such as ‘fight for’. Equal opportunity under the law and Constitutional rights are strangely missing from the ‘progressive’ lexicon.
    Here’s the latest govt theft of funds from a private citizen:
    http://dailysignal.com/2015/05/11/the-irs-seized-107000-from-this-north-carolina-mans-bank-account-now-hes-fighting-to-get-it-back/
    But he’s a fat old white man, so the ‘progressives’ like Ben just look the other way. Remember Ben – justice for ALL or justice for none.

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  36. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    George, I would not argue that necessarily more money is needed to battle the problems of inner city America. But rather than talking about slash and burn funding cuts as Job One, as we see in many states with politically ambitious Governors, we certainly need to talk more about the most efficient use of that money to battle these terrible problems. Institutional discrimination and racism are part of the mix, whether some like it or not, and it needs to be addressed. I agree 100% with your last sentence.

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    I think you guys are mixing up being progressive and being liberal again. Progressives want to change/ reform policies so everybody has equal opportunity and access. Where liberals will just add social programs to a bad system.
    Much like “Privilege” has taken over for “Racist” because people just weren’t paying attention any more….”Progressive” is just the new marketing term that those of your political stripe adopted after the term “Liberal” started smelling so foul!
    I hear you guys say….Jesse Jackson like….“Don’t end them….mend them” but the programs/policies just get more expensive and more corrupt with each budget cycle. Any hint at accountability leads to the wailing and gnashing of teeth about “Balancing the budget on the backs of the poor” and “Conservatives HATE poor people”!
    Sorry Ben, as usual, your denial rings hollow!

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    Were some of these “urban yoots” the ones you were standing shoulder to shoulder with Ben?
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-12/face-baltimore-you-wont-see-news
    I’m guessing their won’t be any candlelight vigils and presidential speeches for this guy?!

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  39. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Watching the Jeffersonians speak in front of the BOS right now.
    First, the 3 minute financial summary of the new State, which was simply a quick summary of current Nevada County revenues and uses…giant fail. Followed by this emotional, flustered guy from Santa Barbara with the stack of papers who forgot his charts, a self proclaimed Constitutional “expert” confusing trillions and billions…droning on and on with obvious talking points…the deputy from Sikiyou County..you get the picture.
    ÇA and Nevada County aren’t going anyware, anytime soon. Not impressed.

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  40. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    The Deputy is a well spoken guy, very passionate about representation, BUT we are 45 minutes in to the Jefferson speeches and still not a mention of a single, solid financial reason to move the County to a new state.

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  41. Walt Avatar
  42. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, if the facts are as stated in the article, that is a very troubling situation and abuse of power. No one would support what happened to that man.
    Nonpartisan outrage.

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  43. Walt Avatar

    On the subject of the above comments about “equality”,, that also comes with “equal” responsibility. ” Equal” standards. ( no matter what your color or background)
    The bar for “this job” is “X”,, Some want “special treatment” because of color so they don’t need to be at that “equal” level. Sorry,, it doesn’t work that way. ( That would be affirmative action folks,,.)
    Hell.. I have been hearing how Blacks should be allowed to show up late, speak improper English (Ebonics), should be allowed to poorly on tests, ( just because of their skin color) because,, “that’s just the way they are, and how their “culture” is.
    I say ,, BULL SHIT!! And this crap is coming from their own “leaders”. ( I.E. LIBERALS,, good ol’ Southern Democrats.) Gotta keep’m on the Lefty plantation. How dare them break away from,, and not need the Democrat “massa’s”!! They jus don’t know what’s good for them!
    Why does the LIBS want to keep them under educated? Why do the LIBS want to keep pushing color as a crutch?

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  44. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, now see- first you linked to a legitimate article and issue, and then you go and ruin it with some ridiculous rant about hearsay on the right wing blogs, obviously people trying to stir the pot. Stuff you mentioned doesn’t pass the smell test. WHO is saying those things about different standards? Names or organizations please..

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  45. Walt Avatar

    “Hearsay blogs”? Uh,,, No… This was a big issue on the radio just yesterday. ( and no,, not Rush) This attitude is nothing new. It’s right up there with this new “White privilege” crap. Save you and me some time. Google it bub,,…. I’m SURE you can find something. ( I did)

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  46. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    I can only imagine what radio shows you are referring to.. Walt, you had a chance to quit while you were ahead today, but you went to la-la righty wacko land with your 2:47 rant.

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  47. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “some ridiculous rant about hearsay on the right wing blogs”
    Wrong-O, Jon. Any test that flunks too many non-white and non-male candidates is automatically considered racist/sexist and is thrown out.
    http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/woman-to-become-ny-firefighter-despite-failing-crucial-fitness-test/
    And the big one:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_v._DeStefano
    The truth sucks when you don’t know reality.
    And there’s lots more. If you really cared to check it out. not.
    I love Jon’s empathy – “No one would support what happened to that man.”
    Actually, Jon, you and millions do by not standing up to these thugs and supporting candidates that would end this if elected.
    Progressives won’t – Lefties and libs won’t – RINOs won’t.

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  48. Walt Avatar

    I guess the truth hurts. LIBS always lash out and try and shoot the messenger. Funny,, you haven’t posted ANYTHING to depute the message.
    This Conservative ( GASP!) Black woman took plenty of heat for this.( from LIBS)
    http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/prominent-professor-for-equality-to-exist-black-people-must-be-held-to-the-same-standards
    Another Black person of the Conservative side speaks.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/28/dont-judge-blacks-differently-black-student-activist-says-black-rioters-should-be-judged-like-other-races-with-no-excuses/
    “National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) enacted Proposition 48, which set minimum academic standards for athletic eligibility. A minimum score of 700 out of 1,400 on the SAT and a 2.0 grade-point average hardly seem demanding, but a number of coaches and black race activists decried the measures as discriminatory”
    The full story here. ( I suggest you read it all before jumping to conclusions)
    http://www.amren.com/features/2015/05/the-old-college-try/
    That should keep you busy for a while.

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