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Sandbox – 3may15

03 May 2015

[The old sandbox is overflowing again. In the effort to evaluate and/or design alternatively powered vehicles that was initiated in the 27apr15 sandbox, it would help for our more environmentally concerned readers to recognize that the energy to move a given mass (say, automobile) from point A to B in time interval T requires a certain minimal amount of energy, regardless of the power source employed. A commenter in the last sandbox summarized it nicely in a restatement of thermodynamical non-negotiables. gjr]

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188 responses to “Sandbox – 3may15”

Todd Juvinall

09 May 2015

JoeK, you obviously have only been in the Sierra Nevada a short time. Timber is plentiful and it has been a steady crop for many many years until the hoax of the Spotted Owl’s demise was foisted on the country. Now it burns up. Mining and grazing were also a plentiful way to make a living until they (government) decided to regulate it out of existence. I recall just a few short years ago when candidate Obama said the coal industry could certainly exist but it was his goal to regulate and fee it into oblivion. So we see his success. It is government spurred on by econuts and vested interests that have ruined the county job markets. If you don’t believe that you are at best naive or worst, stupid.

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Gregory

09 May 2015

Regarding Russ 9:41, the Brit election may well have partially been an issue of Climate Change activism being a net negative for the leftist Liberal Democrats.

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Keen Observer

09 May 2015

and in other news…
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/07/congress-argues-cant-investigated-insider-trading/

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Don Bessee

09 May 2015

Maybe JK is telling us they are coming to take away our stuff sooner than we thought! lol

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Walt

09 May 2015

“Mining is a bust because it too will eventually (if not already) be exhausted ”
Say WHAT!!??? Just where do you get that idea Wile E.? There is PLENTY of gold and other minerals in these here hills. Mining didn’t get stopped because “we ran out” of the stuff.
( Yes, an ACME anvil once again has fallen from the sky and squarely hit the Koyote).
A little test for Joe. Q: What really closed the mines in the state, and why? And be specific.
( Hint.. Gov. played a role) And to make it a tad easier, you can stick to Grass Valley. ( plenty of easy to find history on it.)

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Walt

09 May 2015

Patrica. Oh yes I can. ( have it both ways)
The provisions in “S” that gave “renters” the right to destroy someone else’s property
was a bone head idea from the start. ( You remember,, “altering” the plumbing to make a proper grow house.) The house that I used to own is still uninhabitable and under repair from the actions of one of your “harmless” clan. They made their profits and stuck me with the aftermath.
And don’t try and use the excuse that ” not all are like that”. One was enough for me.

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Patricia Smith

10 May 2015

Walt, I’m not going to try to change your mind about anything. If you want to hold on to incorrect “facts”, be my guest. You’ve earned the right to be uninformed.
I doubt that you ever read Measure S because there was nothing that allowed anyone to alter plumbing for a grow house without proper permitting. It was intended to put an end to people ripping up housing.
If you form your opinions based on the actions of one person, you are going to live in a very narrow world. I suggest you lock your doors and stay inside so you don’t have to encounter anyone you disagree with.

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fish

11 May 2015

Did anyone doubt that this has been the goal all along………?
STATE BUDGET
Growing California cap-and-trade fund attracts surge of spending proposals
The state’s cap-and-trade fund will see a revenue surge
Read more here: <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/#storylink=cpy“>http://www.sacbee.com/#storylink=cpy

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Jon

11 May 2015

Walt, of all your thousands of rambling, nonsensical posts of your opinions, that last one about Measure S and renters allowed to modify and/or trash owners plumbing was- frankly – the dumbest of the dumb. If you cannot summon up enough logic, reason and facts to overcome your anger and emotion on certain issues, you should stop posting. Patricia is being overly kind to you.

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Todd Juvinall

11 May 2015

Wow! Jon is at it again. Sorry “Jon”, Walt is correct and you are not. But you are a very sharp name caller to those better than you. What a hoot!

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George Rebane

11 May 2015

fish 911am – you point out yet again the fundamental weakness of government by the stupid and cynical(evil?) politicians – buying votes with unrealized revenues.
Jon 1001am – re Measure S, what is not explicitly prohibited is allowed. Are you arguing that what is not explicitly allowed is then prohibited?

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Don Bessee

11 May 2015

Yes Dr. R. they are still trying to play that game, we all saw how well it played with the electorate in November. Even Pascale of Yuba Net called patiie out on that in our debate. Sounds like ‘jon’ was involved in that ‘scientific poll’ the asa blathered about that they claimed showed 70% of the County supported measure s when it was exactly the other way around. It lost bigger than anything in the state! They are at least consistent in sticking to their dogma however far afield from the truth it is.

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Russ Steele

11 May 2015

FROM CARLY FIORINA’S BOOK, Rising To The Challenge:
California is now the home of 111 billionaires, with assets greater than the entire gross domestic product of all but 24 countries in the world. It’s also home to the highest poverty rate in the country. In between, the middle-class that survives is largely composed of government employees–the very bureaucrats who have milked the middle class of the private economy into virtual extinction.
I am beginning to like this lady more and more! She is a straight talker.

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Jon

11 May 2015

Obviously Measure S had no impact one way or another on any provisions of a well drafted landlord/renter lease agreement. I couldn’t care less about Measure S, but the fact is Walt is flat out intentionally ignoring facts. Walt, for such a self-sufficient, anti-regulatory guy such as yourself, seems you were sloppy with the supervision of your own property. Did you want a govt. agency to monitor it for you?

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Patricia Smith

11 May 2015

Measure S is over and done with so arguing about its content at this point is…pointless. In the ongoing War on Drugs, battles are won and battles are lost. My only interest in all of this is to ensure that patients have the right to choose between harmful pharmaceutical drugs and natural, herbal remedies. I don’t believe how we choose to heal ourselves is an area the government should be involved in. I have zero confidence in the FDA to regulate drugs that are safe. Instead they OK drugs that make their manufacturers the most money, but I support the right of people to decide for themselves if they want to use pharmaceuticals.

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Todd Juvinall

11 May 2015

GeorgeR, I just learned that Charles Bronson was 100% Lithuanian!

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George Rebane

11 May 2015

ToddJ 1232pm – Didn’t know that. He always looked Slavic to me – could well play the part of a Russian peasant or a Red Army soldier. His Wikipedia bio seems to confirm that with both parents being of Polish descent.

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Todd Juvinall

11 May 2015

I read the bio in Breakhaert Pass by IMDB. It said this.
“The archetypal screen tough guy with weatherbeaten features–one film critic described his rugged looks as “a Clark Gable who had been left out in the sun too long”–Charles Bronson was born Charles Buchinsky, one of 15 children of struggling parents in Pennsylvania. His mother, Mary (Valinsky), was born in Pennsylvania, to Lithuanian parents, and his father, Walter Buchinsky, was a Lithuanian immigrant coal miner.”

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George Rebane

11 May 2015

PatriciaS 1128am – Yes, beating S to death once more is getting old. But I am interested in whether you can point us to a model ordnance for MMJ – one that would overcome the factors for which S was opposed – that has already been adopted by some jurisdiction, or is in a draft form which you and ASA would like to see implemented in California.

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Todd Juvinall

11 May 2015

Two policemen killed in Mississippi. One white one black. Perps are four blacks.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/10/us/mississippi-police-officers-shot-dead/

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George Rebane

11 May 2015

ToddJ 1259pm – He don’t look like no Lithuanian. But a Pole, very much. Besides, had his father been a Lithuanian, then his surname would have ended in ‘s’ (overwhelmingly the custom in Latvia and Lithuania), and not the Polish ‘sky’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson

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Patricia Smith

11 May 2015

George 11May15, 1:01PM I’ve only seen one intitiative that I thought covered every issue fairly and simply, but it didn’t make the ballot. Everything else is a work in progress. I’m sure there will be provisions included in the 2016 legalization initiative that will make me cringe, but you and I will have to wait until it’s written before I can comment.

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Don Bessee

11 May 2015

Pattie there are already 3 versions filed for 2016 with sec. states office and I believe 2 have been green lighted for signature gathering as of last week. Why no comment on them? One of them was co-authored by one of your local lawyers. It seems the S issue came up because Walt was observing the fact of any ballot prop is that the devil is in the details and the real world consequences are myriad, some intended. Often like 215 they leave it vague intentionally and we have seen the consequences of that approach.

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Jon

11 May 2015

I thought the horse was beaten? Leave it to 2 people here to keep the obsession alive.
Walt’s example of his trashed property had nothing to do with any past, present or future initiative. Walt, you signed up a bad tenant. How about some personal responsibility?

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Patricia Smith

11 May 2015

Don, I don’t feel the initiatives that have been filed so far are worth commenting on because none of them (most likely) will make it to the ballot. I think the ReformCA will be the only one to qualify and it hasn’t been written yet. They are waiting to see what comes down through Sacramento first. To be continued…
PS Did I miss a post somewhere? Where did Charles Bronson’s ethnicity find its way into this conversation? I worked with him on a TV movie once. Wasn’t the warmest person I’ve ever encountered. As an aside, Ed Asner was on the same movie so there was always plenty of lively conversation.

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Jon

11 May 2015

Great trivia question Patricia for the hard core movie buff.

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Todd Juvinall

11 May 2015

Particia, I brought Bronson in here as this is the “sandbox”. I read the bio on the movie website that Bronson’s parents were Lithuanians just like George, our host.

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Jon

11 May 2015

Patricia,
Friend of mine has also worked the business. His clear choice for Worst Person all time in front of the screen- Burt Reynolds. Hands down.

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Patricia Smith

11 May 2015

I never worked with Burt or even met him, but I bet I could find some examples of “worst person status” that would top him easily!

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Jon

11 May 2015

Perhaps since my friend worked with Burt after the plastic surgery and subsequent loss of his former macho-stud status- that likely had something to do with his demeanor. The Worst Person category would have more than a few worthy contestants in Hollywood.
Should we tell Todd that there is a difference between Estonia and Lithuania..?

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Don Bessee

11 May 2015

As to beating a dead horse on measure s it was ‘jon’ being a punk a** biatch with the smarter than any of you attitude in his reply to walts observation (that was in fact correct) that got it going. Funny his liberal shifting of personal responsibility to the victim instead of the pot grower is his oh so logical response. It would be funny if it was not so stereotypical of the ‘enlightened’ ones.

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Bill Tozer

11 May 2015

Best person in Hollywood, judging by his humility, common sense, and salt of the earth demeanor that I worked with by far would be Sam Elliott. Nicest couple would be Sam Elloitt and Katharine Ross. Best Hollywood couple not into the Hollywood scene, not living in LA, and spends weekends breaking Broncos and horseback riding: Sam Elliott and Katharine Ross. The worse list is to long to list due to space constraints.
Every once in awhile, you come across a “star” (or well recognized face) that is not an neurotic insecure self-centered egomaniac. Sam is one of the few.
Charley B. a Pollock? I have to disagree respectfully despite what Wikepedia states. Mr. Bronson was an Native American whose body was carved out of a hillside and was a nature lover as well. One of his relatives is still alive and became a current U.S. Senator from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Charles also had an inate way with wild critters due to his Native American roots.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ISW6wCxXk

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Scott Obermuller

11 May 2015

Ben Emery came out of his coma to discover that black lives matter. Then he thinks I haven’t heard of it, although I knew about it long ago. I thought perhaps he would like to view the latest outrage against a black teenager who was almost killed by a mob.
http://defund.com/african-mob-brutally-lynches-teen-for-being-a-race-traitor-in-texas/
In Texas, of course. Ben will go back into his coma now. Crickets per usual. Where’s the outrage? It seems that only some black lives matter.

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Jon

11 May 2015

Tozer, I also heard nothing but good comments about Burgess Meredith from my friend who worked with him, probably 30 years back now.
Hey Bessee, just like to point out hypocrisy and ignorance when warranted. Lots of fodder from certain players. Are you of Lithuanian descent by any chance?

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George Rebane

11 May 2015

re ToddJ 419pm – Hard to believe that after all these years on RR with so many posts, comments, and the autobiographical sketches in ‘My Story’ identifying and discussing my native country and my ethnic roots, some readers still don’t know that I was born in Estonia of Estonian parents, grandparents,… . Where on earth did the Lithuanian connection come from?
Perhaps a perusal here would help set the matter straight.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/my-story/

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Todd Juvinall

11 May 2015

Oops, sorry George. I have forgotten. Well, since I am what we in America call a Heinz 57 I cannot claim one ethnic people as an ancestor. Though the Roman poet Juvenal is claimed by som family members. He lived during the time oc the First Century AD and was a GASP, political satirist. I even have his writings!
So, if I offended you George, please accept my humble apologies.

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Scott Obermuller

11 May 2015

Here ya go, Ben – “I hate white people writing for black people; it’s so offensive. So we go out and look specifically for African-American voices. Yes, it’s all about reverse racism!”
Does this black life matter?
Crickets crickets crickets. Where is Ben? Hiding under a bed? Sucking his thumb?
Where’s the outrage? Don’t white lives matter? Think of the writers in Hollywood fearing for their future from racist rants like this. Maybe a kickstarter fund for them? Ben? Ben?

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Jon

11 May 2015

Obermuller, did you ever consider that perhaps Ben is having a bad day in his long fight? God man, give the man a break.

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George Rebane

11 May 2015

ToddJ 824pm – No offense taken; Lithuanians are a fine people and neighbors on the Baltic. I too have some Swedish and German blood mixed in from long years past. Just wanted to set the record straight 😉

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Bill Tozer

11 May 2015

Jon, Brother Ben told us all loud and clear when he announced his sphincter ailments not to go easy on him nor cut him any slack. His wish is our commando. However, my Brotha from anotha Motha, dear Benjamin, apparently has been a tad grumpy lately, especially on Motha’s Day of all days. I know my sista from anotha mista, Bro Ben, does not seek sympathy. Perhaps mo understanding of his sphincter problems would help us all empathize, but he has yet to divulge details and I am not in a position to see for myself.
If….and this is a big if, if Brother Ben really said he “hates white people writing for black people”, then he would not have anything to write about. No more long essays complete with no numberous supporting links excusing bad behavior by black people. Hey, just a few years ago Ben discovered the old book “Black Like Me”. I read that in the 5th or 6th grade, well before Ben’s miracle birth into this world. Yeah, I read Malcom X in junior high and later in high school drove down to the local public library to protest them banning Do It! by Jerry Rubin. Also joined a protest cause the local junior….ER…community college rescinded a speaking engagement by Eldridge Cleaver. Heard he came black from Cuba since hearing about the New X-Box in Amerika, but I digress. Bet Bro. Ben never sat next to John Carlos or Tommie Smith and shot the breeze after their abrupt departure from Mexico City. Boy, Those were the days, lol.
Ben, Ben, Ben. Been there, done that. This ain’t the 30’s when struggling labor was organizing into unions to fight for fair treatment, nor is this the 60’s (a tumultuous period about 50 years ago caused by Flower Power, drugs, sex out of wedlock, and vulgar Rock-Roll),
So, Ben, reach back in time and be a train tramp again with Utah and organize the hobo camps to stand up to Da Man. Or, just replay one of those 400 years of slavery tapes that keep repeating in yer noggin. Play it again and again, Piano Man, and maybe someday somebody will throw some loose change in the tip jar. Yes, Ben, the noise in your head is starting to bother me. Peace out bro, don’t let the nuke juice mess with your fro. :).

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fish

12 May 2015

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 11 May 2015 at 09:32 PM
TESTIFY!

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Bill Tozer

12 May 2015

Dr. Rebane., “ToddJ 824pm – No offense taken; Lithuanians are a fine people and neighbors on the Baltic.”. Very true. Their bond with Estonians runs deep.
A Lithuanian was working his tail off trying to fall a tree. He was sawing like there was no tomorrow and making little progress. An Estonian passed by and offered some help, which the Lithuanian gladly accepted. The Estonian picked up the saw, pulled the cord, and the engine instantly revved up. The Lithuanian jumped back asking “What, what, what’s that noise??”
Ok, I heard that joke from a Norweigian fellow who used a Finnish chap sawing like mad to no avail, but since the topic did not include our Scandinavian brothern, I improvised. Now, a Pollock, an Apache, and Charles Bronson walk into a Swedish German bar and the bartender asks…..

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George Rebane

12 May 2015

BillT 1119am – Very funny Mr Tozer. BTW, few know that Estonians are the stealth Nordics along with the Finns. Both are racially, ethnically, culturally (including linguistically) identical. Pre-Christian Estonians also contributed to the Viking terror during the turn of the first millennium, plundering Russian river villages all the way to the Black Sea, and ravaging the peninsular coasts of Europe down to the Pillars of Hercules. To this day the country’s seals and jewelry reflect that epoch in Estonian history.

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Russ

12 May 2015

Wondering why the economy is still in the tank?
The cost of federal regulation neared $2 trillion in 2014, according to a new report by the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI).
Ten Thousand Commandments: An Annual Snapshot of the Federal Regulatory State, a report by Clyde Wayne Crews, CEI’s vice president for policy, also reveals that the U.S. debt now exceeds the size of China’s economy.
“Federal regulation and intervention cost American consumers and businesses an estimated $1.88 trillion in 2014 in lost economic productivity and higher prices,” amounting to roughly $15,000 per household, the report said.
Ddi you miss the $15K?

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Bill Tozer

12 May 2015

An elitist liberal turned progressive walks into bar with a big parrot on his shoulder. The bartender asks “Where did you get that?” The parrot answered “Harvard Law.”

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Jon

12 May 2015

Did you guys read Ole’ Jeb’s second response today to the question of the Iraq War? He apparently misheard and misunderstood the question about going to war just like W. Right Jeb. Apparently you misjudged the primary voter appetite for another Middle East War Hawk wasting our money.
Best of luck in dealing with yet another Bushie in your primary. What a nightmare..

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fish

13 May 2015

Looks like the Catholic Church wants in on the action…..Strauss didn’t invent the “Noble Lie” the Catholic Church did…..looks now like they want it back.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/241769-popes-top-adviser-blasts-us-climate-skeptics
Jesuits……socialists is priestly garb!
sigh!

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Bill Tozer

13 May 2015

Well, ya learn something new every day. I learned that the State run Obamacare exchanges have to be in the black by 2016. Glad somebody snuck that one in.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obamacare-money-20150513-story.html
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/05/319485-obamacare-problems-presidents-home-state-embarrassingly-bad-lawmakers/
More outreach, marketing, and better packaging is needed.

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Bill Tozer

13 May 2015

Oh my Fish, does that mean the Pope is going to pull out his toenail clippers and castigate them naughty Koch Brothers? Looks like the Vatican wants to take over the demonizing of the demon possessed Kochs now that Harry Reid got pushed aside. Maybe an exorcism is in order.

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fish

13 May 2015

Oh my Fish, does that mean the Pope is going to pull out his toenail clippers and castigate them naughty Koch Brothers?
That is entirely possible my friend…..and in the hills there was much rejoicing as the simple hill people saw the hated ogres vanquished by the Jesuit horde.
……and in other news and other locations (wink, wink) young Ben Emery discusses tax policy!

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