144 responses to “Sandbox – 23apr15”

1. 

   George Rebane

   23 April 2015

   For the record – I sent the following letter to The Union responding to Mr George Boardman’s audacious charge that ‘Only McClintock can make LaMalfa look like a bleeding-heart liberal’. I hope I hit the correct hot buttons.
   Dear People – George Boardman’s 20apr15 attack on Tom McClintock for voting his principles on the HR-2 Medicare’s ‘Doc Fix’ bill is a bit specious. The congressman voted against it only for the reason that it would add $141B to the annual deficit with no offset spending cuts. Our $18T debt was accrued bit by piece over the years using the exact same excuses. Just to make a point, consider justifying HR-2 in the same light as accepting Mussolini’s fascism as the price to make Italian trains run on time, or Hitler’s national socialism to create the German autobahns. No one is saying that HR-2 will lead the country into tyranny, but then again it was their economies’ collapse that … . Mr McClintock’s vote was the cry, ‘Enough!’; and for that we should support him.
   http://www.theunion.com/opinion/15981721-113/george-boardman-only-mcclintock-can-make-lamalfa-look

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   fish

   23 April 2015

   Remember how important it was to transfer central and south america into the US?
   The White House And Soros-Backed Open Borders Group Strategize About Bribing Immigrants To Naturalize Before 2016
   They shan’t be working…….
   http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/04/kansas-city-fed-manufacturing-report.html
   We are headed for a doozy of a recession this fall/winter!

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3. 

   fish

   23 April 2015

   Remember…it’s only news when the media says a republican doesn’t pay their taxes.

   
   Injun, as in from India|4.23.15 @ 4:33PM|#
   Here is a follow up from my poking around on some leftist news sites about the Melissa Harris-Perry tax delinquency affair.
   Salon
   All time results.
   In the past week – STILL NOTHING on her tax delinquency!
   Slate
   All time results.
   In the past week – NOTHING!
   The Nation
   LOTS of results going way back! She is apparently an author there.
   In the past week – NOTHING!
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   Injun, as in from India|4.23.15 @ 4:33PM|#
   Mother Jones
   All time results.
   In the past week – NOTHING!
   Think Progress
   All time results.
   In the past week – NOTHING!
   Vox – Nothing
   Gawker – Nothing

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4. 

   Russ Steele

   23 April 2015

   Only the little people have to comply with the rules:
   Democratic lawmakers reject switching their health coverage to Obamacare — Democratic state lawmakers on Thursday shot down a proposal that would have required all California state legislators to get their health insurance from Covered California, the benefits exchange set up to implement Obamacare in the state.

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5. 

   fish

   23 April 2015

   Posted by: Russ Steele | 23 April 2015 at 04:05 PM
   You’d think that they’d switch to the “gold/platinum” Obamascam plans just to help with the enrollment numbers and let the proles know, “Hey….we’re all in this together”!

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6. 

   George Rebane

   23 April 2015

   But please notice that the socialists totally ignore the realities of the fiascoes they foist on Americans. There will be no apologetics explaining why their elites eschew Obamacare, send their kids to private academies, move their yachts to states with lower taxes and slip fees, and run foundations that pass only 15% of contributions through to their targeted benefactors while keeping 85% to ‘manage’ that the 15% is properly allocated. This kind of crap has gone on since the Bolshevik revolution with our collectivist brethren, and then they have the temerity to bitch and moan about those who generate the wealth they so lavishly redistribute and spend.
   It would be most informative to generate the Gini index for Democrats and take a look at their Lorenz curve. It wouldn’t surprise any conservetarian, but it would loosed the bowels of progressives if that were made public.
   http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2009/03/our-new-course-is-declared.html

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7. 

   joe smith

   23 April 2015

   Instead of stating the obvious, might you instead suggest a solution for the Chinese incursion into the Spratly’s? I don’t know of one. Our spread thin military is now engaged, in one way or another, in over three dozen countries. We are stretched thin like Silly Putty across the globe, but at some point you are going to have to admit that America can’t afford to intercede in every distasteful incursion. You can pick and choose. Your call.

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8. 

   Don Bessee

   23 April 2015

   Wow what an insightful geo-strategic analysis ‘joe smith’.:-(

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9. 

   fish

   23 April 2015

   In addition, the political climate of an area is an important factor in a decision about where to live. The divisiveness and hostility that have accompanied the “State of Jefferson” campaign and the perception that rural northern California is dominated by regressive thinking and a reactionary wild west mentality is harming us all.
   If nothing else this SoJ kerfuffle is magical if not only for reducing supposedly sane “men” to tearful hand ringing women!
   Good times!

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10. 

    Jon

    23 April 2015

    Joe Smith hits on a very important question, and one I wish some of you would address with specificity. Nearly all conservatives blame President Obama as weak on seemingly every conceivable foreign hostility front, yet I have never heard a single conservative or Republican give us their plan in fighting all these horrible forces of evil around the world. Great example above where Don Bessee has no answers, just snark, but that’s par for the course. Can one of you tell us where you would place US troops as we stand now without a draft, where we should bomb first, how we pay for multiple war fronts, how you would implement a draft in 2016. Details please. Who’s game?

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11. 

    George Rebane

    23 April 2015

    joes 652pm – I and many others have pointed out that when we start retreating and/or no longer retain a leadership position, the vacuum will be filled by bad guys. And none of that is obvious to Team Obama and his minions. Apparently it was to you; congrats.
    A good start would be to simply sink the Iranian convoy if they attempt to resupply the Houthis in Yemen. And then assure them that that action had nothing to do with the progress in our nuclear talks, since we are already opposing Iranian proxies on several battlefields. Another action would be to escort our recon planes over the Baltic and shoot down the next Russian fighters that attempt to buzz our unarmed aircraft over international waters, and then deny that we did it (kinda like Putin telling the world there are no Russian troops and heavy weapons in eastern Ukraine). Or we can just have Josh Earnest and mush-mouthed broads at Foggy Bottom tell everyone that the President is really concerned about all this, and next time he’ll draw another red line.

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12. 

    Michael R. Kesti

    24 April 2015

    Jon 23Apr15 10:29 PM
    The notion that one must provide detailed military plans in order to be of the opinion that the current administration is weak on foreign policy is, itself, snarky in the extreme. Perhaps an appropriate response is that one might be better enabled to produce such plans if one had access to the information and intelligence made available to the president by the armed forces, the CIA, and other sources.

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13. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    In the reverse, I assume that JoeS and “Jon” agree with the Obama foreign policy and the country’s place in the scheme of things now? I would like them to elaborate on what they think our place is and if we are where they want us to be aas a nation.

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14. 

    Ben Emery

    24 April 2015

    George,
    It appears the actual process of fracking only causes small scale earthquakes. It is the disposal of the toxic waste water that cannot be reused that causes the larger scale earthquakes. We are removing water from the water cycle, not a good idea.
    Either way fracking/ waste disposal causes earthquakes and their is at least a 50 year history of data showing injecting fluid into the earth causes earthquakes.
    Here is a post about the USGS investigation into the recent spike in earthquakes in Central US. It is written to make sure it doesn’t offend the oil/ gas industry too much.
    http://www.doi.gov/news/doinews/Is-the-Recent-Increase-in-Felt-Earthquakes-in-the-Central-US-Natural-or-Manmade.cfm

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15. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    Here is my bro-in-laws note to me on this Oklahoma issue. Sent from North Dakota.
    “I’m not aware of a comprehensive rebuttal to this splinter attack on the oil & gas industry. There are a couple of points to set the table for understanding the seismic vibration we commonly refer to as “an earthquake”. Californians know the earthquake to be a catastrophic event resulting in death and destruction; the perspective. When does a perturbation on a seismic chart become “an earthquake”… 3.0, 1.0, .01? The seismic events may be attributed to fracturing of rock deep below the earth surface, but are more commonly associated with water disposal injection; even municipal waste water injection. Technology has improved the sensitivity of seismic instrumentation and the ability to detect vibrations. The seismic events in Okla are in the 2 – 2.5 range. They are not the result of tectonic plate shift or shear. I think it boils down to semantics, political agenda, and an attempt to bring hysteria and emotion into play.”
    So it appears the geologists are unconvinced so far.

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16. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    Oh I ran across this on Drudge today. Perhaps SteveF and JeffP could get a fit body for their noggin transplant? LOL!
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/head-transplant-man-will-be-attached-to-new-body-in-under-an-hour-and-aim-is-immortality-doctor-says-10198982.html

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17. 

    Ben Emery

    24 April 2015

    When the present administration is the biggest fossil fuel friendly administration in recent history it is very tough for it to be critical towards the industry in an official capacity. Rhetoric sounds good from the left but the Obama administration actions have been disappointing to say the least.
    Excerpt from
    How Obama Became the Oil President
    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/how-obama-became-oil-president-gas-fracking-drill
    Obama’s Turnaround on Oil
    That was then and this is now, and Obama ain’t talking that way no more. Instead, he regularly boasts of America’s soaring oil output and points to all he’s done and is still doing to further increase domestic production. Thanks to the sort of heightened investment in domestic output his administration has sponsored, he told a cheering Congress in January, “more oil [was] produced at home than we buy from the rest of the world—the first time that’s happened in nearly twenty years.” Although still offering his usual bow to the dangers of climate change, Obama did not hesitate to promise to facilitate further gains in domestic output.
    Here are some of the other measures recently taken by the administration to boost domestic oil production, according to a recent White House factsheet:
    * An increase in the sales of leases for oil and gas drilling on federal lands. In 2013, the Bureau of Land Management held 30 such sales—the most in a decade—offering 5.7 million acres for lease by industry.
    * An increase in the speed with which permits are being issued for actual drilling on federal lands. What’s called “processing time” has, the White House boasts, been cut from 228 days in 2012 to 194 days in 2013.
    * The opening up of an additional 59 million acres for oil and gas drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, the site of a disastrous BP oil spill in April 2010.
    In accord with his wishes, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) announced on July 18th that it would reopen a large portion of the waters off the Eastern seaboard, an area stretching all the way from Florida to Delaware, to new oil and natural gas exploration. Under the BOEM plan, energy companies will be allowed to employ advanced seismic technology to locate promising reserves beneath the seabed in preparation for a round of offshore licensing scheduled for 2018. At that point, the companies can bid for and acquire actual drilling leases. Environmental organizations have condemned the plan, claiming the seismic tests often involve the use of sonic blasts that could prove harmful to endangered sea animals, including whales. The truth is, however, that those seismic tests, by opening future fossil fuel deposits to development and exploitation, are likely, in the long run, to hurt human beings at least as much.
    In other words, global warming be damned!
    In a turnaround that has gotten next to no attention and remarkably little criticism, President Obama is now making a legacy record for himself that will put the “permanent reduction of our dependence on oil” in its grave. His administration is instead on a drill-baby-drill course to increase production in every way imaginable on US territory, including offshore areas that were long closed to drilling due to environmental concerns.
    What explains this dramatic turnaround?

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18. 

    fish

    24 April 2015

    In other words, global warming be damned!
    Maybe you should take him aside, have a chat…..explain how he doesn’t see the “Big Picture”.,

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19. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    Maybe some warming would be good. The poor would not have to buy those expensive coats and shorts for the kids for school are pretty reasonable too. Of course, food costs would decrease since CO2 helps plants grow better. I think Obama is on to something and maybe the left should jump on board with the assistance to the poor that “global warming” brings them.

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20. 

    fish

    24 April 2015

    You should all be ashamed of yourselves……right now the “cool kids” at the “cool site” are lamenting that you guys are…well…the way you are…..and not hip and sophisticated like people who live in the Tiburon of the Sierras.
    I think you should all take a moment and think about your behavior.

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21. 

    George Rebane

    24 April 2015

    BenE 751am – Obama’s fossil fuel policies aside – I think his talk doesn’t match his walk – can you point us to an analysis of America’s economy and our quality of life were the energy policies you recommend come to pass? That would give everyone something definite to debate and discuss. Without economic (and related geo-strategic) consequences, most of us would like to see renewables become the nation’s energy source.

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22. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    I want to know how people get from the country to the city under the energy policies of Ben Emery. How about flight? Or is it the “chem-trails” conspiracy that Ben Emery is afraid of? The lefty has no replacement plans for their hated fossil fuels. I mean, jeeze, how ridiculous that 7 billion people will be back to a three day trek from Grass Valley to Sacramento.

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23. 

    fish

    24 April 2015

    stevefrisch says:
    April 22, 2015 at 4:51 pm
    Ironically, while we are discussing this issue, I should report that I still do not even have a water meter at my house, because our water agency is not required to install one until 2025. That is yet another example of the type of thinking that needs to change. I would gladly pay for one but I do not even have that option because our agency cannot monitor the data a meter would provide.
    People are still avoiding the issue that change is hard and is going to require sacrifice. The tricky issue is going be making sure sacrifice is shared.
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    You can buy a personal water meter right now Steve and use it to monitor your use. Why wait until 2025? You can even send your water agency an extra check.
    I’m sure they’ll be happy to take an additional contribution.
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    depelton says:
    April 24, 2015 at 8:54 am
    Let’s hope that those who resist such changes as “takings” will diminish in numbers and power.
    Reply
    …and in other news…local man wants to have the state confiscate your water/property rights.

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24. 

    MikeL

    24 April 2015

    I would still like Steve to offer an explanation as to why it is necessary for certain energy producers to pay the state for so call carbon credits and than have the state refund all of the proceeds back to the rate payers.

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25. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    Todd, Nobody really cares about your brother-in-law’s opinion to be honest. We do care what serious geologists studying that specific issue has documented in voluminous detail. But its funny watching you and others squirm and avoid a single mention of the now accepted oil and gas impacts from fracking water. Just say it, and then say that people shouldn’t worry about little earthquakes under their feet- just suck it up Oklahoma! Just like people impacted by coal and metals mining- just deal with it! Really Todd, what’s so difficult about admitting what the reddest-of-the-red energy dominated states now admits?

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26. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    George, thank you for the first sincere attempt that I’ve seen on here to begin to suggest a possible tactical military approach to current events in the Middle East. I would agree that stopping any attempt of Iran to bring arms into Yemen is fully justified. Just sorry the second half of your reply degenerated into the usual sarcasm. What is your take on initiating a new military draft?
    Kesti’s reply just a cop-out- this is an opinion blog for gods sake. Todd, typical Chickenhawk non-answer.

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27. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    “Jon”, no one here cares about your posts or ideas and you are simply ignorant about all this. But you are amusing as a liberal foil.

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28. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    Todd, regarding your reply to Ben regarding alternative transportation- have you seen the projections for numbers of EVs, Hybrids and Fuel Cell vehicles on the road by 2030? These vehicles will be commonplace everywhere-rural,suburban and city- well before mid-century.

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29. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    “Jon” as once again you show us all your utter ignorance on issues. Just yesterday the press reported that people were turning in their EV’s for SUVs. Jeeze, come on don’t be so slow. No one cares about your opinions anyway, you don’t have a pedigree.

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30. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    Oh, the press reported something, I see. I thought you don’t trust the press? Wait, let me guess- Faux?
    Look, I get that you haven’t pre-ordered a Mirai yet, but still I refer you to auto industry projections for alt-fuel vehicles (if you don’t trust academic studies). Take a look and then get back to us.
    I know, I know, you think the auto industry is being forced to cook the books on their alt-fuel projections by the Obama Administration.

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31. 

    George Boardman

    24 April 2015

    Todd is actually right for once. Edmonds.com reports that owners of electric and hybrid vehicles are less likely to trade for a new one, and more likely to replace them with SUVs.
    On the other hand, Todd’s comment of 8:26 a.m. that the poor can benefit from global warming was no-doubt inspired by those great thinkers of the Reagan Administration, who tried to get ketchup classified as a vegetable in school lunch programs, and suggested people fight global warming by wearing a hat outdoors.
    Todd may have been joking, but they weren’t.

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32. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    George B, yes 2015 marks a slowdown in EV sales, but because of CAFE standards of 2025, the auto makers are massively investing in alt-technologies to introduce the next wave of cars beginning 2016-2020 at better price points and better performance. For example, you’re going to see over 90% of light trucks being plug-in hybrids by 2030.

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33. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    Todd’s joke about global warming is also disgusting and offensive to the Indo-Pacific islanders already dealing with rising seas and loss of their land to climate change. Not that a gas guzzler driving guy like Todd really cares about other people on earth.

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34. 

    George Rebane

    24 April 2015

    Jon 1013am – Am glad that we some concord. But the second half of my 1114pm reply was only sarcasm to the extent that in frustration it explicates the precise reality of how this administration abrogates the US historical role that has given rise to Pax Americana. Please gird yourself for the continuation of such sarcasm in these pages, for after all, the thesis here is that America is heading in the wrong direction.
    And I’m not sure what you found unacceptable about ToddJ’s 656am sober report from his geologist bro-in-law.

    On another matter, returning to the local progressives’ irritation about my and other AGW skeptics’ technical rebuttals and literature citations countering the administrations headlong rush into unsubstantiated economic cum geo-strategic disaster, I want to respond to their continued accusations that these views are held by a small minority of poorly/un educated extremists here in the mountains (one particularly prominent and prominently frustrated naïf even suggested a novel use for my doctorate diploma).
    A short perusal of the actual record – from the most recent IPCC report to the published findings of now thousands of qualified and skeptical scientists – contradicts almost every tenet of their devoutly held views on both climate change and AGW. A summary piece regarding this fervor (and the blatantly ignorant arguments of the local True Believers) by Lamar Smith, chair of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, entitle ‘The Climate-Change Religion’ is found in the 24apr15 WSJ. Its citations are noteworthy.
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-climate-change-religion-1429832149
    I do not submit this as the skeptics’ summa, but merely as one in a stream of entries into the public record to debunk the basis of the local arrogants who can only parrot the politically correct line, claiming ‘consensus’ without any understanding of the difficult hurdles that science has yet to surmount to substantiate the hurtful public policies already set in place and contemplated.

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35. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    George, very doubtful I would have even commented on the brother-in-law’s opinion had he not totally ignored any reference to the extensive geological studies linked on the State of OK EARTHQUAKE page. No one ever said these man made quakes were of the Loma Prieta variety, but I would contend that the State of OK feels them enough of a potential danger and liability to warrant the extensive attention.

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36. 

    Walt

    24 April 2015

    Hummm.. Islands “going under” from “rising sea levels”??? What “rise”?? .005 in.?
    The more logical reason is EROSION. There is not a damned thing to stop it. Every time the wind blows more “island” blows out to sea. Every time it rains more “island” washes away.
    Then the pounding surf takes it’s toll.
    But blame it on the AGW boogeyman.
    Ca. can do it’s part by damming more rivers for fresh water retention… ( naaa ,,, Six little fish are more important)
    “Correspondence between the National Marine Fisheries Service and Congressman Jeff Denham’s office shows the Bureau of Reclamation wants to flush as much as 15,000 acre feet of water down the Stanislaus River in order to “save” six fish.”
    http://www.mantecabulletin.com/section/1/article/122681/

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37. 

    Walt

    24 April 2015

    So “O” wants to take credit for our crude oil output.. No surprise there. Nevermind the fact that he has done everything within AND outside his power to curtail oil production.
    Our new “glut” of oil is totally from private and state production, where the FEDS have NO say.. But that’s never stopped a Progressive for “taking credit” for something they had no part in. If “O” was so “pro oil”,, he would have had the XL pipeline approved by now.
    But that would take away profits from his pal Warren Buffet. ( who’s mile long oil trains fall off the tracks about twice a month.) Yup, what’s a few fried towns now and then?
    Yet the Left wants to yap about the pipeline not being ECO friendly.

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38. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    Wow, GeorgeB finally acknowledges I am correct! Oh well it is hard to be me when faced with a “journalists” analysis. LOL!
    “Jon” is totally out to lunch as usual. I have been seeking out his proof these islanders are getting swamped by “rising seas” caused by manmade global warming. Please “Jon” give us some peer reviewed proof would ya?
    “Jon” is also like every liberal. Full of lots of semi and half truths sponged from the DailyKos and the HuffPost or that other econut mag. Unfortunately he and his ilk are being stopped in their track s by people like our local “Dirtmover” and others who can fact check easily.
    Until “Jon” tells us his pedigree he is simply a bloviator without one (and anonymous). And not trustwothy. Too funny!
    Oh and I love everybody “Jon”, even those islanders. LOL!

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39. 

    George Rebane

    24 April 2015

    Jon 1154am – Your contention is uncontended, and OK should continue monitoring them to the extent that they portend a danger for which there is yet no evidence. This kind of EQs tend to diminish and disappear as the ground settles and compacts.

    I recollect that Walt has been harshly taken to task by our liberal readers. But I have noticed that his posts, like his 1201pm and 1211pm, go largely unanswered. Both of these are important points in this discussion; sending crickets to respond does discredit their veracity.

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40. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    Oops, also, “Jon” disses my geologist bro-in-law’s input about the EQ’s. If anyone wants to read the hubris of a “john” there you have it.

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41. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    I don’t know how anyone can state that Obama has done “everything in his power to curtail US oil production.” Dirtmover’s statement is patently false, as Ben has pointed out on more than one occasion. Obama has gotten enviros upset with his emphasis on “all of the above.” Walt, last I checked I do believe XL is CANADIAN, not a US oil source and that Tar Sands Oil is a whole different ball game. Sorry Walt, you lose my respect when you start rambling and mixing in totally different topics into one post- what does species protection on the Stanislaus River have to do with whats happening with sea levels in the Maldives?
    Todd, I am going to stick with the conclusions of officially sanctioned geologist reports, not email responses from brothers-in-law. My brother-in-law is actually part of a group studying the Everglades and impacts from land use and climate change over the last century. Should I bring him in here?

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42. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    Dirtmover, you think 7 MILLION acres of new oil and gas development since 2000 is small change? Its been pretty much drill-baby-drill.
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/24/3650903/oil-gas-land-takeover/

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43. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    All the oil and gas is on state and private land. Review the facts Obama has curtailed and locked up the Fed lands and offshore.
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/wh-takes-credit-increased-oil-and-gas-production
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/Should-Obama-Take-Credit-For-Oil-Production-Hike.htm
    From the Objective Standard November 2014
    “U.S. oil production has climbed almost 40 percent from 5.233 million barrels per day in 2009 to 7.235 million barrels per day in 2013. . . . But while daily output from non-federal lands has risen 60 percent to 5.576 million barrels, production in federal areas has actually fallen 6 percent to 1.658 million.”
    So in a perverse liberal way of thinking “Jon” you may be correct. Obama’s policies of not drilling on Federal lands drove the wildcatters to State and provate lands. And viola! The boom!

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44. 

    Todd Juvinall

    24 April 2015

    Here is a link released today on the USGS “study”. Doesn’t look too definitive when you actually read it regarding “fracking” and EQ’s.
    http://www.ogj.com/articles/2015/04/usgs-report-aims-to-improve-quake-prediction-from-induced-seismicity.html?fb_action_ids=1081622938517991&fb_action_types=og.shares

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45. 

    Walt

    24 April 2015

    Ahhh, Jon Boy… Canadian oil ya’ say?? As I see it, better co come from our good neighbor
    than the ragheads that see to do us harm. The ECO kooks should be on the side of the XL.
    Oil tankers SINK!! Remember Valdez? The dangers of off loading. The dangers just crossing the oceans. ( they can hit a whale… and have) But NOPE.. Big buck LIBS will have none of that. ( It’s cheaper to pay “donations” to the ECO gang to keep them quiet.)
    Has “O” lifted the drilling restrictions in the Gulf? Yet he is out to pull a ” Clinton”.
    Making a ” national Park ” our of nowhere land to stop ANY drilling. ( Clinton did it first to stop top grade coal from being mined.)

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46. 

    Walt

    24 April 2015

    I sure would like to hear a response to the “forward thinking” of dumping much needed water
    for six damned fish. I say catch the bastards,, and dinner is served. ( or build a 10 million dollar aquarium to house them in.)
    I guess I need to break things up real good for “jon” to keep up. or,,, type,,,, real,,,, slowwwww……

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47. 

    Jon

    24 April 2015

    Walt, there is enough US oil to take care of our needs, with conservation, strong growth of renewables, and the growth of alternative fuels for many applications, including Nat Gas, which is a very important bridge fuel IMO. Yes, I would love to see the Tar Sands curtailed, as do many of millions of others in the US and Canada. Most of British Columbia doesn’t want that stuff passing through their pristine lands.

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48. 

    Walt

    24 April 2015

    Well guess what “jon”,, that tar sand oil isn’t going away.( production stopped)
    NOT going to happen. The plumbing has already begun to send that oil West. China and Russia is more than willing to buy it. Yup,, that’s smart thinking by the LIBS, when the U.S. could do they buying. I guess sending money to those that want to kill us is more preferable..
    But a nice try at deflection.

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49. 

    fish

    24 April 2015

    I sure would like to hear a response to the “forward thinking” of dumping much needed water
    for six damned fish.
    Relatives Walt…..relatives!

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50. 

    Ben Emery

    24 April 2015

    George and Todd,
    Here is an article you can chew on for awhile about Professor Mark Z. Jacobson and University of California-Davis researcher Mark Delucchi study. It is political will that stands in our way and is it any wonder when the two party’s that control the power within our government are in bed with the fossil fuel industry?
    Study:
    Shifting the world to 100% clean, renewable energy by 2030 – here are the numbers
    Wind, water and solar energy resources are sufficiently available to provide all the world’s energy. Converting to electricity and hydrogen powered by these sources would reduce world power demand by 30 percent, thereby avoiding 13,000 coal power plants. Materials and costs are not limitations to these conversions, but politics may be, say Stanford and UC researchers who have mapped out a blueprint for powering the world.

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