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156 responses to “Sandbox – 16apr15”
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“Fish”, I’d not begrudge the head of a poor household a firearm to protect themselves or their family from the criminals living nearby, and I’ll make a wild guess the lawmakers of that state didn’t want a welfare recipient to be in a position of having to prove no welfare money was involved in a firearm purchase made because of a justified fear of being a crime victim.
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Posted by: Gregory | 17 April 2015 at 09:15 AM
In principle neither would I. I’m still a little wobbly about letting recipients purchase them with their welfare money though.LikeLike
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re: team evil — aren’t they all regardless of so called political affiliation? Both parties are corporate tools. Your propensity to label dems as evil fails to recognize the other side of the same coin. I would think a true libertarian would view both parties as evil, I do and I’m not even a libertarian.
Who is paying rent with their EBT cards Joe? That’s what Section 8 vouchers are for. —
That was just an example pointing out what a person would have to go through in order to accumulate more than $20 in cash.LikeLike
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Posted by: Joe Koyote | 17 April 2015 at 09:24 AM
Partial credit.
The republicans usually get the TEAM STUPID label which is a worse insult in my estimation. At least a person can muster a degree of grudging respect for evil if it is delivered with panache. Stupid is just stupid!
John Boehner anyone?LikeLike
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My bank atm dispenses in $5 increments.
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Fish — perhaps a better example of a withdrawal would have been along the lines of “if a welfare recipient needed $300 to buy some crack…..”
Which bank is that Don? I have never heard of an ATM with anything but 20’s.LikeLike
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Posted by: Joe Koyote | 17 April 2015 at 09:46 AM
perhaps a better example of a withdrawal would have been along the lines of “if a welfare recipient needed $300 to buy some crack…..”
…from your tone this is an expenditure which you approve?
Which bank is that Don? I have never heard of an ATM with anything but 20’s.
I hadn’t either since the early 80’s when I could get a “fin” or “sawbucks” from my ATM….but there is this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/chase-pnc-atms-1-5-bills-cnn-report_n_2499305.htmlLikeLike
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Joe,
While I’m thinking about it….and within your comfort limits…..what did you do for the State of California?LikeLike
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Jon Stewart has a piece on Kansas that puts that welfare state into perspective,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/04/10/jon-stewart-thinks-the-kansas-welfare-bill-is-hypocritical/LikeLike
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Maybe Kansas allows guns and ammo purchases (and fishing poles?) to welfare recipients so they will learn to hunt and fish in order to support themselves.
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Walt, I have a ’56 Willys CJ-5 I am going to sell if you want to kick it old school again. It is EMP immune!
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Posted by: Brad C. | 17 April 2015 at 10:00 AM
Again Brad I’m not sure that it puts anything into perspective. If you don’t think that public assistance should be used to buy guns and ammunition that’s not an unreasonable argument. But the contrasted position is that why is it bad to spend subsistence money at strip clubs, tattoo parlors and liquor stores if a recipient can use it for guns and ammunition.
How about none of those things should be permitted with public assistance money.LikeLike
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While there’s no excuse for Britt McHenry’s boorish behavior, the outfit that towed her car has a long track record of using any excuse to impound a car. There are many complaints on Yelp about its predatory practices.
On a more serious note, Ruminations is still the best comedy act in town.LikeLike
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fish– I was being facetious about the crack. How is it that you think I worked for the state?
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Posted by: Joe Koyote | 17 April 2015 at 10:16 AM
I thought that you said that you had? If not mea culpa!LikeLike
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Fish, Kansas closed the strip club, etc. loopholes (technically) – but not guns and ammo.
However, the whole thing is lame because (I assume) you can just go to some other nearby ATM and withdraw cash and spend it wherever you please.
http://watchdog.org/127789/kansas-welfare-tanf/
Also interesting to me is the bit about Kansas itself being a welfare state.LikeLike
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Walt – I’ve experienced Brad’s Jeep, and will confirm it is a tank. You could probably climb halfdome with it.
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Maybe we could get some work from the able bodied folks on relief? But apparently the unions won’t allow it. Oh well, I guess the gun is better.
GeorgwB, I think a car is towed after it is ticketed by police or sitting in a space after the allowable time. Do you have different info on how the towing company legally can tow? Also, having had a car impounded in Sacramento twenty five years ago, I can say the people were courteous but determined I pay the bill or no car.LikeLike
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Posted by: Brad C. | 17 April 2015 at 10:28 AM
Also interesting to me is the bit about Kansas itself being a welfare state.
EBT wasn’t supposed to deliver cash if I recall correctly…..that’s why the “secondary” market developed. Someone goes in and buys $100 worth of eligible items/groceries and then sells those for sixty cents on the dollar for cash.
And as to the disparity in what Kansas gets versus what it pays well take it up with the congressional seniority and chairmanship structures. It would seem that in a well run government this would be easily remedied.LikeLike
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Lol, RL – that “jeep” is my Yota (don’t call it a jeep in front of the Toyota guys 😉 ..alas, I cannot smog that one.
Not enough legroom for me in the CJ-5 so I found a ’64 Scout at auction and am running out of room in my back yard.LikeLike
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Remember gov benefits will buy seeds to plant so they may grow their own food. Along those lines a fishing lure or bullets would also allow families to feed themselves better. Hey what’s that smell? OH there it is way back in the thread, he who’s name we will not say! 😉
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Re Todd’s 10:30 a.m.
Here you go http://nypost.com/2015/04/17/espn-was-totally-wrong-to-suspend-britt-mchenry/
As I’m sure you’re aware, the New York Post is owned by your favorite media mogul, Rupert Murdoch.LikeLike
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“How about none of those things should be permitted with public assistance money.”
We fund a huge bureaucracy to make sure there are Nannies for all recipients of unearned largess from that state who aren’t employed by the state directly. IIRC Friedman, in “Free to Choose”, estimated we spent about $60K per annum at the time (1980) on programs ‘for the poor’. In 2015 dollars that’s about $171k and I expect the problem is even worse… if the poor were actually getting their $171k, being poor would be much more popular.
Stop treating poor adults like children. Most don’t deserve it and we really can’t afford it. Friedman’s answer was a negative income tax scheme as the least objectionable, and I think that remains the best solution.LikeLike
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GeorgeB at 12:04 PM
Thanks for the link. It looks to me like Rupert’s journalists breaking the story proves he is truly a good publisher.
Regarding the reporters article. Why would you think people who are towed would give anything but a terrible post on YELP? Jeeze, it seems like they might be PO’d?
Also, I think the male who did the article was trying to get a date from the babe. LOL!LikeLike
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Annie Fox says:
April 17, 2015 at 11:58 am
Anyone smell some stinky not so hot tuna? He can sure carp at the mouth but has nothing to back it up. At least I respect Weldon as a man.
One would think that improved personal hygiene might help those unpleasant feminine “issues” Annie.LikeLike
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“Anyone smell my stinky not so hot tuna?” Oh my. I cannot detect the odor from San Diego, but I hear there are quite a few exterminators hot on the trail to rid Nevada City of the mysterious not so pleasant smell whose origins remain unknown. If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Oh goodie, a scavenger hunt! Hey, who swiped my stink locator? Guess I won’t be joining the hunt up on Echo Canyon.
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Ok, now I will really stink up the Sandbox:
https://www.facebook.com/SouthernChristianandConservative/photos/pb.438737586179987.-2207520000.1429329162./703686549685088/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/SouthernChristianandConservative/photos/pb.438737586179987.-2207520000.1429329162./703686549685088/?type=3&theaterLikeLike
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From the Instapundit Glenn Reynolds:
WAIT, MORE PREMATURE INTERNET OUTRAGE? SURELY NOT! Kyle Smith: ESPN was totally wrong to suspend Britt McHenry. “Several reviewers have complained that Advanced Towing brings in legally parked cars — and then, when you complain, simply insults you and holds the car hostage. We don’t even know what was said to McHenry, since the Advanced Towing employee’s remarks have been edited out of the video that went viral. And how do you feel about private companies with which you did not choose to do business making videos of you, then leaking them to the media for the purpose of humiliating you?”
Different perspective. How come the Company Employee’s remarks were edited out of the video?LikeLike
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Scoopy is trumpeting Las Katarinas reopening at an empty restaurant that used to be a local landmark. He first spells the name of that long closed landmark business “Schiedel’s”, then spells it “Schidel’s”.
Jeff, it was “Scheidel’s”, and the food was primarily Schweizerdeutsch, Swiss German. Two demerits, one for never spelling it correctly, one for using two different incorrect spellings. At least be consistent if you can’t get it right.LikeLike
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Very nice smackdown in today’s Union re: that insane SMART “emergency ordinance” charade from this past week. Not that anyone cares what SMART espouses.
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Paul Krugman…..the reliable contrary indicator
On Nov. 24, 2013, Paul Krugman of The New York Times gushed:
What would happen if we unveiled a program that looked like Obamacare, in a place that looked like America, but with competent project management that produced a working website? Well, your wish is granted. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you California. … The California authorities have been especially forthcoming with data tracking the progress of enrollment. And the numbers are increasingly encouraging.LikeLike
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The welfare queens are at it again.. No, not poor people but the low wage payers like Walmart who receive billions of tax dollars in the form of public assistance for their workers.
A new study:http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/the-high-public-cost-of-low-wages/
73% of aid recipients work at least 10 hours a week 27 weeks per year. These working families account for 56% of total state and federal assistance. Coupled with a decrease in employer provided healthcare from 67% in 2003 to 58% in 2013, and you have even more taxpayer subsidy in the emergency room in the form of unpaid bills. The total tab for taxpayer support for working families exceeds $150b a year.
This should be looked at as a direct subsidy to low wage paying corporations because the money they don’t pay in wages or benefits goes directly into stockholder profits while, we the taxpayers, make up the difference in living expenses for their employees.LikeLike
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JoeK 945am – Unfortunately, without addressing the merits of your argument, the support of Obamacare is reducing the number of hospitals and emergency rooms across the land as local clinics and hospitals are being merged and ‘consolidated’ by large health maintenance corporations who knew better than Democrats what was in store for America.
Your accounting of what are taxes and subsidies, and their relation to private enterprise is directly out ‘Socialism Made Easy’. But in America there is and should be no shame in being a socialist, no matter how far the tipping point is behind us.LikeLike
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Hey Walt, the government of the reddest state in the reddest region of the nation admits that fracking causes earthquakes. Another Lib conspiracy? Spin this one, genius.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/us/oklahoma-acknowledges-wastewater-from-oil-and-gas-wells-as-major-cause-of-quakes.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0LikeLike
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more precisely, science has proven that the statistically unlikely earthquake cluster in OK are caused by the storage of water from the massive increase in oil and gas fracking over the last decade.
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Jon 433pm – When you mess with strata near ready to trigger faults, it is possible that the fault will let go and an earthquake will occur. That is not rocket science. Given that, we need to trade off energy production to prevent earthquakes of a certain magnitude. I would not stop fracking when the (Bayesian) probability of a damaging earthquake is small. And then there are the econuts who know better …
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The comic styling’s of ‘jon’ on display again on 18 april. Careful, your falling into old verbal mannerisms again ‘jon’. You can keep hiding behind ‘jon’ but your bovine scatology is way too recognizable to too many. ===== SO lets talk mullahs regional domination plans for 1000 Alex. Friday, death to amika, death to Israel, check. Deny any restrictions in nuclear deal, check. Dispatch armed fleet loaded with weapons to our proxy in yemen, check. Finish spending 11 billion we got from 0 just to come to the table and talk, check. Plan on how we are going to distribute the 50 billion dollar signing bonus, billion in arms to Hezbollah, billion for dissidents in the gulf Arab nations, billion for Iraqi militias, billion in arms to gaza, 5 billion to Assad oh lets just give him 10 billion so he can help attack Israel. Decisions Decisions, that Obama boy is such a nice giving individual. OH, time sure flies when your having fun, got to go to the hangings and flag burnings! Don’t worry about the US navy sending the big stick because our friend barack hussien is just a big mouth and has a toothpick & bb’s for his big stick. He was so sweet as to get the Saudis to stop the bombing while our fleet is about to make land.
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Seems “jon” fails to consider all the man made earthquakes over in Clear lake on a daily basis. Right on a known earthquake zone. Not to mention a shallow magma zone.
That’s REALLY playing with fire. You don’t see the same quake activity in Nev. with their geothermal power plants.
For a little proof, USGS has a live earthquake map. The proof is in the colored dots.LikeLike
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I don’t have to consider anything Walt. I follow science. Case closed in OK.
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George, I do appreciate your more thoughtful and honest response to the OK report. Its gotta be pretty clear cut for the government of OK to raise their flags of caution. If you’re OK with earthquakes in OK, good for you. Not sure the residents who live over the man-made rumblings would concur.
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Oh… So “some” man made quakes are fine and dandy, when others are not.
And those quakes back East have yet to be proven to be associated with FRACKING.
It’s still an accusation. Yet The ones two hours from here are proven to be man made.
Yaa,,, so much for your “following of science”. Uh,,, “case closed” A’?LikeLike
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Maybe “jon” has the answer to the “mystery booms”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/13/scientists-baffled-by-what-is-causing-mysterious-booms-being-reported-across-the-country/
http://strangesounds.org/mystery-booms-and-rumblings
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/11/mysterious-booms-are-being-reported-across-america-again/
OK “Mr. Science”,, FRACKING too?LikeLike
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Walt,
My post was about Oklahoma, notable for their conservative bent, Senator Boren, their astronomical growth of fracking, and earthquakes now PROVEN to have been caused by said industry. Areas of Texas have also seen similar clusters in oil and gas areas. People of OK are now going to weigh the benefits of fracking against the danger of earthquakes caused by the oil and gas industry.
But you can certainly tell us what goes on in Clear Lake to cause earthquake clusters there.LikeLike
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Fracking is not causing earthquakes. Jeeze, quakes happen miles down, fracking is close tho t surface. People are simply looking for a scape goat. My bro-in-law is in the middle of fracking in North Dakota and he is a geologist well versed in the earth’s crust. Don’t fret all you quake enablers.
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ToddJ 849am – from the physics/geology that I know, the type of small earthquakes that occur in fossil fuel extraction areas are entirely plausible. Can you ask your bro-in-law to point us to research that discounts the emptying of underground oil/gas reservoirs being the cause of those EQs? Thanks.
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Todd,
There is long documented history with earthquakes and inserting fluids into the ground. One of the problems when a person strictly relies on partisan sources for their information.
Thanks George for being honest about it.
I didn’t want to spend lots of time digging through my files finding the information so I just looked up Rocky Mountain Arsenal and got this paper from 1966.
The Denver Area Earthquakes and the Rocky Mountain Arsenal Disposal Well
http://archives.datapages.com/data/rmag/mg/1966/evans.htmLikeLike
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Todd apparently thinks the government of ultra-red Oklahoma is accepting the science of fracking-related earthquakes to appease that big enviro-lib voting block there. Talk about mindless, iron-blinders. Wouldn’t want to say a single thing that could remotely be considered…negative..about the oil and gas industry, right? You give those enviros an inch, they will take a mile, right Todd?
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Oh, I forgot about Walt’s reference to strangesounds.org. You know, I’ll just go out on a limb and make a wild prediction that no one here (except Walter) has ever had the pleasure of monitoring that website.
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What a hoot! There is no proof that fracking causes earthquakes yet like “global warming” people assume they do because their emotions tell them so. I have seen the “reddest” politicians fall for the eco traps for many years. Just as we see the results in “spotted owls”, red legged frogs and in the valley, giant garter snakes. When all else fails the eco’s bring out the big cats and the koala bears.
Anyway, my bro in law is a liberal, so “jon” you are truly a smurf. I say “jon”, please supply the current scientific finding (peer reviewed) for the earthquakes being caused by fracking.LikeLike
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Story of the Year! The reddest-of-red states, massively dominated by oil and gas, was duped by a teeny, tiny bunch of eco-libs in Oklahoma! Indeed a sign of the Apocolypse.
http://earthquakes.ok.gov/LikeLike
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