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George Rebane

“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.” (Politico, 18feb15)

Mayor Giuliani’s recent remarks about President Obama’s character and values has caused a national kerfuffle on the Sunday talk shows that to me seems more than a bit silly.  The Mayor said that he didn’t believe Obama loved America in the way most Americans do because of his upbringing and the society in which he traveled.  He was brought up by parents and grandparents who were socialists and communists, and who evinced little love for our country.  And as an adult Obama was constantly exposed to and worked with people of similar sentiments (“God damn America!”, Rev Wright).  So his honor pulled that together as a picture that described the man in the attempt to explain away his unfortunate pronouncements and disastrous policies.

The lamestream, of course, went ballistic and even pulled in some mainstream Republicans to assure everyone that they never ever talk about personalities, but only the person’s policies.  Not only that, but it now appears that the politically correct way to deport oneself when discussing other people is to limit yourself to what they did or were supposed to have done.  To delve into what possibly made them do it has become a no-no.

Well, that’s not the way it was, and truth be told, is not even now.  But you have to be careful when you start trying to dig under a politician’s policies to discover what made him do it then, what he is doing now, and importantly, what he might do in the future with issues yet to be resolved.  Such studies, of course, have been the sum and stuff of analyzing the world's leaders and prominent people since age immemorial.  Humans are by their nature critters who seek to understand and organize their environment by constantly attributing cause – ‘why did he do it?’, ‘why might he do that next?’.  Nowhere is that endeavor more prevalent than in politics, and to hear politicians seriously deny that they ever abstract or talk about someone’s underlying personal traits confirms that when a politician’s mouth is open, he’s most likely lying.

So today, to point out that Obama’s murky past included heavy doses of anti-Americanism in his younger years is held by the Left as being out-of-bounds, prejudicial, and racist.  Today we should only judge him by his public policies, period.  Of course, that was not the case in the treatment of Bush2, Clinton, and other American leaders.  Tomes have been written over the centuries dissecting the personal lives, character, foibles, and values of prominent people to understand and explain their behavior.  Today the CIA and other security services develop and maintain extensive personality profiles on just about everyone in the public eye so that they can explain why they are doing what they do, and can predict what they may do in the future.  It would be utter foolishness not to devise such personality models of important people.  So why can we not explain to others the conclusions we have drawn about what in our opinion makes someone tick?

[26feb15 update]  Listening to comments by Ron Fournier of the National Journal on Fox this afternoon piqued an inquiry of our readership.  Fournier’s dissertation on Obama’s latest charitably labeled missteps jibed with much of what is reported these days.  Many of these missteps have been purposive policies and actions which the overwhelming fraction of Americans would agree have hurt our country.  But Fournier, like every other reporter and commentator today, since Giuliani’s famous statement, has hastened to add the obligatory political correctness that he wasn’t calling Obama unpatriotic.  No, no, no.

Well, I have not been accused of being politically correct, nor do I want to stand so accused in the future.  So I would ask Fournier, and more importantly the more conservative commentators on Fox (e.g. Krauthammer, Riley, Hayes, …), to present evidence that Obama is in fact a patriotic American.  Make two columns on a sheet of paper and title them ‘Unpatriotic Acts’ and ‘Patriotic Acts’.  The column of Unpatriotic Acts has been overfilled for some time now.  The question is – what would these politically correct commentators put in the other column to give evidence of Obama’s patriotism and give balance to the lists?

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194 responses to “‘Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain’ (updated 26feb15)”

  1. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    How Voter ID Laws affect the poor
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/voter-id-laws-can-decrease-minority-and-youth-turnout-20141008
    Texas – 600,000 and in Pennsylvania- 760,000
    Nation wide 11% of voters do not have the correct photo ID to vote thus making it possible for 21 million voters to be turned away.
    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/the-daily-need/everything-youve-ever-wanted-to-know-about-voter-id-laws/14358/
    We are talking 2-3% is all that is needed to swing close elections and that is the goal of these laws.

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  2. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “That list’s absence is therefore proof of nothing. I both hope and suspect that you can do better, Scott.”
    I’m asking for proof of any sort. This continuing BS about ‘millions’ of people that aren’t allowed to vote because of the Rs is just one big lie that is constantly repeated without any evidence.
    ‘Millions’ of people and no one can name a single one?
    I would think YOU could do better.
    Ben contends that we could have a wonderful govt if only these mysterious millions of people could vote. He doesn’t seem to have any trouble voting for his dream candidate that just happens to vote with the evil Dems most of the time. I can vote for whomever I want. Where is this evidence of this massive voter suppression?

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  3. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Now lets talk about the lie that is justification for the need of Voter ID Laws, voter fraud. The number of voter fraud in US elections since 2000 is in the ball park of 0.001%. The Bush administration 5 years investigation of voter fraud that produced US Attorney Gate helped prove that voter fraud is a non issue. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
    US Attorneys fired for political reasons.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/21/opinion/21iglesias.html

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  4. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    Bernie Sanders is an anomaly or an exception that proves the rule. 0.00374% of congress are independent from the Democratic and Republican Party’s. That is a pathetic number for trying to argue the system isn’t rigged in favor of the D’s and R’s.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 846am – That tired citing of “number for voter fraud in US elections …” beyond being overworked by the Left. Voter fraud is easy to detect both in the large and small, and has been so done countless times – the most common being that more votes are counted than registered voters in the district. However, our legal system makes litigating such fraud very difficult and expensive for jurisdictions that just don’t have the funds for drawn out court battles. That is why the Left has been getting away with blatant stuffing of ballot boxes and encouraging anyone with pulse to cast ballots for them.

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    ” I can vote for whomever I want. Where is this evidence of this massive voter suppression?”
    This statement shows your complete lack of understanding of how elections are executed and conducted. Ballot access is one of the major hurdles D’s and R’s have made for independent candidates. That is why in 2010 I was technically running as a Green Party candidate so I could have ballot access when in fact the Green Party had very little to almost nothing to do with our campaign. I refused the state party help both with campaigning and funding. I just happened to be registered Green. Now we have top two primaries and we will most likely never see another independent candidate in a general election again.
    I encourage you to read:
    Grand Illusion
    The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two-Party Tyranny
    http://www.fairvote.org/research-and-analysis/blog/grand-illusion-the-myth-of-voter-choice-in-a-two-party-tyranny/
    It documents the endless obstruction of the Democratic Party towards the Nader campaign and the Democrats are anything but fans of democracy.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Every voter in America shall have a voter ID. Simple. You want to vote, produce a photo ID or a PG and E billing.
    Bernie Sanders may get a million votes from leftwingnuts like Ben Emery and then return to anonymity. These nuts on the left are only taken seriously by the loons and thank goodness there are not that many like Ben Emery.
    Voter suppression is a bunch of New Black Panthers with clubs in Ohilly, not grandma in Austin.

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    Now this dovetails nicely with the voting discussion…….
    All the freshly amnestied will now be invited to join the progressive “Free Shit Army”…….wonder who they’ll be voting for?
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150227/us–congress-homeland-d09c304e78.html
    ….ahhh I remember when the last election was the mostest importantest evah!

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar

    Scott
    The reality that with the likely election of a Bush or a Clinton in ’16 and the high probability they will be reelected in ’20 means that between 1988 and 2024-36 years- our two party system (which is really one party) will have provided us with a Bush or a Clinton as president with a 8 year break with Obama. Need I say more about the failure of our two party system?

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 918pm – Paul, that you continue to float that long-disproven leftwing narrative that still hearkens to ‘It was all Bush’s fault!’ demonstrates how bankrupt the debate is on the Obama presidency. Moreover it underlines why the Great Divide, as described in these pages, is more inevitable than ever. Bush2 “asleep at the wheel”, “sat around while the economy collapsed”, “did nothing to warn us of fraud and corruption”, … ??!! Really?
    I’ll give you the man’s mistake in executing the aftermath of Gulf War2, we should have left Iraq’s military and the lower level Baathists in place, as we did the lower level Nazis in Germany, but the schism between the Sunni and Shia would still have flared in some manner. But in the geo-strategic sense those kinds of wars have been the cost of world order and progress since WW2, for they have served to prevent the nuclear WW3. And these conflicts will continue if the bad guys are to be kept in check. Either get used to that or becoming a Chinese satrap.
    And expanding your reading horizons a bit (e.g. the Henninger piece) will surprise you that there are one or two others in this nation who agree with my views on Obama.

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  11. fish Avatar
    fish

    OT: Bummer….Mr. Spock just beamed up for the final time!

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    A simple question
    Is the economy of our country better today than it was in 08?

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1054am – Have no idea what an answer to that question clarifies about Bush2’s presidency. Most certainly the current state of the economic recovery answers much about Obama’s, since his signature policies have impeded recovery from its historic norms.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    George, I think we just got back to the employment levels of 2008 so I would guess probably not. 97 million people are out of the work force and 52 million are on foodstamps. If these numbers are true then I would say we are much worse off. The FED did print 3.5 trillion in new paper though which went to Wall Street.

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    A simple question
    Is the economy of our country better today than it was in 08?
    Posted by: George Rebane | 27 February 2015 at 11:01 AM

    Have no idea what an answer to that question clarifies about Bush2’s presidency. Most certainly the current state of the economic recovery answers much about Obama’s, since his signature policies have impeded recovery from its historic norms.
    We would have also accepted “no” as an answer!
    /Trebek
    Seriously though, if Paul believes that the economy is better now than in 2008 he probably shouldn’t be out of the house unattended. Alternatively, it means that he, like Dick Cheney, doesn’t believe that the deficit and the deficits larger more unpleasant brother doesn’t matter.
    An additional 8 trillion in debt required just to keep things looking vaguely normal….and Paul thinks the economy is better.

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    The interest payment on the 8 trillion could be paying for the free health care. LOL!

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    ToddJ 1102am – Good points, and if we start going down that path of analysis, the disaster of socialist governance under Obama becomes stark. But understanding the all those numbers and the resulting economics requires more work than most people – especially of the Left – are willing to devote to the effort. Simple slogans are so satisfying.
    I also discussed how to evaluate recoveries here –
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2014/06/the-recovery-rigmarole.html

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Agreed… If Paul believes things are SO rosy with “O” and Co. running things, he needs a keeper.

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  19. Walt Avatar

    See what “the man behind the curtain” will do? And by exec. order (playing king) no less.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750
    “It’s starting.
    As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.”
    Then we have the secret laws ( they have been yet to be seen by the public) of the takeover of the net, by the FCC. We had a little “discussion” about the FCC not long ago…Remember? And our Lefties defended the FCC.
    Karl Marx is getting a woody in his grave with the way “O” is running things.

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  20. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben – that isn’t proof. It’s supposition and possibility.
    Voter turnout goes up and down all of the time. The fact that there was suddenly a lower turnout after ID was required might just be because all of the fraud voters were shut out. Or it could be that a lot of folks just don’t give a weasel’s rear end about voting. Also, a lot of folks are clueless and didn’t know they didn’t need an ID until it was too late – next election they’ll have their ID and the numbers will be back up. There was also a lot of shifting of the wording involved in that article. They talked about the cost of a driver’s licence, but you do not need a drivers licence in any state that I’m aware of to vote.
    You can write in candidates. I do. Anybody else can.
    Sorry – there are millions that just don’t vote because they just don’t care. And Bernie Sanders isn’t going to get them excited any more than H Clinton.

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  21. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Paul – “Need I say more about the failure of our two party system?”
    That’s only your opinion. It seems the vast majority of American voters like it just fine. I was unaware that the results of an election not being to your liking constituted a failure ‘of the system’. We’ve had 3rd party candidates in the past. I heard some commie from Vermont was running. Go for it.

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  22. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Oh yes – one more thing: “Now we have top two primaries and we will most likely never see another independent candidate in a general election again.”
    That was the Dems that did that, Ben. Not the Rs. Please get your story figured out and then we can have some more fun.

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  23. Walt Avatar

    Speaking of partys,, the Tea “Party” is growing.(and winning) It still vary young, yet has made GREAT advances.
    Maybe the Left can be honest for once and form the American Commie party. Yup,, they will surely get some votes, from the OWS gang, and those that want free this or that.
    Based only those two beliefs,(for the sake of argu…discussion, who would come out on top?
    Let’s hear it Paul,, but better check the red VS blue map first. ( county by county)
    The GOP is Progressive Lite, and the people are voting out the old guard one by one and replacing them with “Tea Party approved” more and more.
    Scott Walker has held his own in a Blue state. Imagine that.

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  24. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    The more you write the more obvious you don’t follow politics. Top Two Primaries was a Proposition in 2010 that all political parties in California opposed.
    Goodbye, trying to converse with party liners whether it is on the Democratic side or the Republican side is futile.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Scott, the petulance of Ben Emery is there for all to read. Sheesh!

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  26. Walt Avatar

    “Top Two Primaries was a Proposition in 2010 that all political parties in California opposed.”
    W T F!!??? If is was SO opposed by “the people”,,then how in hell did it pass?? Explain that one Ben… Here in Ca. (LIB land) the LIBS got what they wanted. The day will come it will bite them in the ass. Then watch the Left cry foul.

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  27. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “Speaking of partys,, the Tea “Party” is growing.(and winning) It still vary young, yet has made GREAT advances.”
    Demographic trends will put paid to the Tea Party. I have to admit that it was a nice try.
    I do think that B. Emery is correct in placing blame on tactics like gerrymandering for favoring incumbents. The thing is, these systems will always trend towards stability. If not gerrymandering, some other mechanism would be invented. At the risk of repetition, I’d say that his basic flaw is to view politics as a prime mover rather than as a side effect.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Recovery was only necessary because of the mess Bush left in his eight years in office. Perhaps you should talk to homeowners about the values of their homes compared to 08. Also to those who have invested in the stock market about what they prefer. How much of that deficit can we attribute to our unfunded wars in the middle east, part of the Bush legacy.

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  29. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Walt,
    Good question. Everybody is scratching their heads on how something that was opposed by virtually all usual suspects that help people decide on how to vote were ignored and passed easily.
    It was Abel Maldonado (R) pet project. Top Two Primaries are as about as anti democratic it can get within our current system without just outright banning other political parties from forming.
    From Ballotpedia
    Opponents
    California has six ballot-qualified political parties, the Democratic Party, Republican Party, Green Party, Peace & Freedom Party, American Independent Party and the Libertarian Party. The six parties held a joint press coverage on May 11 in Sacramento to express their mutual opposition to Proposition 14.[33][34][35]
    Other notable opponents include:
    Richard Winger of Ballot Access News is a leading opponent of the Top-Two Primary proposal. When arguments in favor of the measure are advanced by others, he often counters with a detailed rebuttal.[36]
    The group “Californians for Electoral Reform” (CfER). CfER has been organized in California for about ten years. It focuses on ways to make voting more fair.[37]
    The American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California (ACLU-NC) Board of Directors voted overwhelmingly on February 11, 2010 to oppose Proposition 14 “based upon the ACLU’s strong interest in the value and rights of political parties, including third parties, the potential infringement upon these parties’ First Amendment rights of association, and our previous position in 2004 in opposition to Proposition 62.”
    State senator Loni Hancock[38] and California State Assembly representative Sandre Swanson.[39]
    Steven Greenhut of the Pacific Research Institute.[40]
    Bob Cuddy, a columnist with the San Luis Obispo Tribune.[41]
    Ralph Nader.[42]
    Meg Whitman, a candidate for governor.[43]
    The Center for Voting and Democracy (FairVote), a nationwide election reform group, opposes Proposition 14.[44]
    The California League of Conservation Voters: “The system will shut out participation by minor parties and make it more difficult for alternate political views to have a place in the general election discussion.”[45]

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 February 2015 at 06:14 PM
    You don’t like Bush….I get it….I’m not a fan either.
    But it’s interesting to me how you can be against unfunded wars. A position I think is completely reasonable while blithely endorsing unfunded bank bailouts and Federal Reserve chicanery to falsely inflate the stock market.

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  31. Walt Avatar

    Well Ben,, in short, LIBS stuffed the ballot boxes but good.
    Remember… “the people”passed it. Just like they voted for the crime rate to go up.
    (which it has) Those poor criminals rotting in jail. (where they actually belong)

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar

    You are right. Ben It was Republican Maldonado, who was Lt Governor under the Schwartz. that pushed it through the Legislature to put it on the ballot. It was an example of the sneaky way the Republicrats work together to eliminate potential opposition much like the Presidential Debates Commission makes it virtually for outside parties to have a voice in the debates.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Funds for unfunded wars were appropriated by Congress, unlike the 3 Billion smackers that Obama has sent to the insurance industry….Congress never appropriated that money sent to the insurance companies, thus unconstitutional. Sure, the Administrations of several Presidents have spent/earmarked funds without getting the “Mother May I” from Congress’s cookie jar, but enough is enough. The pushback has started. Paul should be content with “better late than never.” Moving forward.
    Pay NO attention to Da Man behind the curtain. Congress can invite whoever they wish to have in their chambers, period. It called friggin separation of powers. Pay NO attention to the little man behind the curtain.
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1425090835./10152837541625914/?type=3&theater

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  34. RL Crabb Avatar

    Top two primary: Voting for the lesser of one evil.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar

    Bill
    3 Billion smackers under Obama for the insurance companies? That’s chicken feed compared 800 Billion from the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 proposed and signed by Bush in Oct 2008. The Act was proposed by his Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson during the global financial crisis of 2008. Jeez guys, why not give credit where credit is due. The giveaway was both to domestic and FOREIGN banks.
    Obama is an amateur compared to that crew. And the Repubs in this blog will gladly support another Bush for Pres if he is chosen by the party.

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  36. Russ Avatar

    PaulE@09:46PM
    Not this Republican!

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  37. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Top 2 in California just passed all on it’s own and nobody was for it.
    Since when have the Rs run anything in Cali? It was a Dem operation from start to finish. This is a blue state. Or does Ben want to argue that?
    Please Ben – just who did push the Top 2 deal? Step up to the plate and answer the question. Who pushed through winner taker all in Cali with the electoral college? Answer the question.
    I’m sorry the rest of the country doesn’t ‘validate’ your political choices. Boo Freakin Hoo.
    My choices don’t seem to do real well either but I don’t start blaming unseen forces from the ether. It turns out that ‘the people’ is just a left wing term for a small minority of misfits that need mommy govt to hold their hand when they piss.
    Deal with it.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar

    Here’s a history lesson Scott,
    ” Even as he dropped out of the California governor’s race Thursday, Republican former Lt. Gov. Abel Maldonado said he has no regrets about a decision to “hinge my whole political career” on his key role in putting the state’s “top two” primary — a landmark political reform –before voters.
    “I’m very proud,” Maldonado told the Chronicle in an interview Thursday, just hours after he announced his decision to withdraw from the 2014 governor’s race at Santa Maria City Hall. “I really believe that when you give people a choice of whoever they want, we get (candidates) who are reasonable, open minded and pragmatic.”
    Under California’s “top two” or “jungle” voter-approved primary system which went into effect in 2010, candidates of all parties appear on the same primary ballot; the two who receive the most votes, regardless of party affiliation, face off in the general election.”
    http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2014/01/16/abel-maldonado-very-proud-of-political-legacy-californias-landmark-top-two-primary/

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  39. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Here’s a history lesson for Paul – it had to be voted on by the people and most of the votes were Dems. Most of the same-party top 2 races are Dems. AB32 was pushed Arnie (had an R after his name) but are you going to say that AB32 was a Rep thing? This is a blue state and is totally controlled by Dems. All the Dem newspapers wanted the top 2.
    And what about winner take all in the pres electoral college? Dems.
    Maldonado made a lousy R – he should have just admitted he was a D.
    This is a Dem state and the Dems voted for the top 2.
    I’m quite sure the Greens and the Libertarians were against it, but please note they are in the small minority.
    The only party to gain from the top 2 was the Dems and they have.
    My cousin used to live in Hawaii where she joked that there was still a Rep Party. All 3 of them meet once a month at a bar. I asked who the Dems then blame their problems on and she laughed and said they won’t admit to having any problems in Hawaii. Just ‘issues’.

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  40. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    Abel and Arnold pushed for Top Two and got it on the ballot.
    I am not saying it is a Republican law as you did saying the Democrats brought it to us. It was two Republicans that basically wrote it, lobbied for it, and pushed for it most. The people voted it into place and the people can take it away as well.
    Here is a little excerpt from how it got on the agenda
    “Told to me by outgoing Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg and confirmed by another source who asked not to be named, the story goes like this:
    The late Sen. Dave Cox had agreed to provide one of the two GOP votes in the Senate needed back in 2009 to pass a budget deal that included temporary tax increases. At the same time, Cox was particularly troubled by what he considered to be the waste of money involved in the multi-vehicle caravan Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger regularly employed to travel from his Capitol office to his hotel penthouse across the street at the Sheraton.
    When Schwarzenegger turned down Cox’s request to stop that practice, Steinberg says, Cox talked himself out of voting for the budget deal. That meant another Republican vote had to be found, which led to negotiations with Sen. Abel Maldonado, which led to the demand that the top-two primary be placed on the ballot, where it was approved by voters in 2010.”
    http://95percent.blogs.vcstar.com/2014/09/07/how-arnolds-trips-to-hotel-led-to-top-2-primary/

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Top two was voted into law by those really stupid voters the libs here say are better than the top two parties. What a hoot!

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    Are you saying that the independent parties supported top two? that’s new to me if true.

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I have no idea Paul. I was opposed to it because it leaves out all the other parties and we have seen it all over California. I want more people involved not less and actively opposed the Prop. It did pass and become law so obviously it received a majority in the election.

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  44. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben – “as you did saying the Democrats brought it to us.”
    I didn’t say that.
    “That was the Dems that did that, Ben. Not the Rs”
    It needed to be promoted and voted on to be put into power.
    And it was the Dems that done it. The Rs just don’t have the power in this state to impose such a law. It was to the benefit and continues to be to the benefit of the Dems big time.
    I quite agree the law stifles the smaller parties, (I sure didn’t vote for it) but please stop kidding us that folks like Nader and Sanders would suddenly sweep into popular acclaim if only we changed some rules of the system.
    The problem is an uneducated and stupified electorate. And the left likes it that way.

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  45. fish Avatar
    fish

    The problem is an uneducated and stupified electorate. And the left likes it that way.
    Oh yes they do!
    Interesting that our favorite “hates the two parties”, evangelist for the unlimited franchise is on record as wishing and hoping that every slack jawed, mouth breather who happens to stagger into a polling place should be able and encouraged to vote!
    Because democracy.

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  46. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    You might want to stop before you dig any deeper.
    You wrote:
    Oh yes – one more thing: “Now we have top two primaries and we will most likely never see another independent candidate in a general election again.”
    That was the Dems that did that, Ben. Not the Rs. Please get your story figured out and then we can have some more fun.
    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 27 February 2015 at 02:15 PM

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  47. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Fish,
    In 2010 the voter turnout was 42%. In recent history low voter turnout seems to benefit those at the top. In 2014 it was a 36% voter turnout and look at what has taken place in our federal government so far.
    The more people who turn out to vote the more representative and functional our government will become but the D’s and R’s are controlled by the same entities creating apathy and disillusionment by the electorate. What we have is an oligarchy purchasing and propagandizing away our republic.

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  48. fish Avatar
    fish

    The more people who turn out to vote the more representative and functional our government will become but the D’s and R’s are controlled by the same entities creating apathy and disillusionment by the electorate. What we have is an oligarchy purchasing and propagandizing away our republic.
    More evangelizing presented without evidence! I no more want the “Snitches get Stitches” crowd holding sway over political power in this country than I want the J.P. Morgans and Goldman Sachs of the world.
    It’s clear that you are comfortable with mob rule!

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  49. George Rebane Avatar

    Voting methods and rules have been studied for an awful long time. Combining one-man-one-vote in a pure democracy creates havoc on the large scale, as we have witnessed. And that effect is amplified by the kind of primary CA has now implemented. The minority gets permanently screwed, blued, and tattooed. As nobelist Ken Arrow demonstrated, say good-bye to such voting schemes being fair to all.

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  50. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    So Ben Emery, please tell us how you would get all the voters to turnout. I am convinced people only do what they want in their own best interest so in elections if they stay home and don’t vote that must be that individuals preference? So if I get your drift here about turnout you are calling those that stay home either stupid or satisfied. Which is it?
    I think we still have a free country and we have allowed the voter to register on the day of election, at the DMV and in the mail. They can vote from the comfort of their Lazy-Boy and a month in advance. So please tell us how you would get those people to vote?

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