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George Rebane

โ€œI do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,โ€ Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. โ€œHe doesnโ€™t love you. And he doesnโ€™t love me. He wasnโ€™t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.โ€ (Politico, 18feb15)

Mayor Giulianiโ€™s recent remarks about President Obamaโ€™s character and values has caused a national kerfuffle on the Sunday talk shows that to me seems more than a bit silly.  The Mayor said that he didnโ€™t believe Obama loved America in the way most Americans do because of his upbringing and the society in which he traveled.  He was brought up by parents and grandparents who were socialists and communists, and who evinced little love for our country.  And as an adult Obama was constantly exposed to and worked with people of similar sentiments (โ€œGod damn America!โ€, Rev Wright).  So his honor pulled that together as a picture that described the man in the attempt to explain away his unfortunate pronouncements and disastrous policies.

The lamestream, of course, went ballistic and even pulled in some mainstream Republicans to assure everyone that they never ever talk about personalities, but only the personโ€™s policies.  Not only that, but it now appears that the politically correct way to deport oneself when discussing other people is to limit yourself to what they did or were supposed to have done.  To delve into what possibly made them do it has become a no-no.

Well, thatโ€™s not the way it was, and truth be told, is not even now.  But you have to be careful when you start trying to dig under a politicianโ€™s policies to discover what made him do it then, what he is doing now, and importantly, what he might do in the future with issues yet to be resolved.  Such studies, of course, have been the sum and stuff of analyzing the world's leaders and prominent people since age immemorial.  Humans are by their nature critters who seek to understand and organize their environment by constantly attributing cause โ€“ โ€˜why did he do it?โ€™, โ€˜why might he do that next?โ€™.  Nowhere is that endeavor more prevalent than in politics, and to hear politicians seriously deny that they ever abstract or talk about someoneโ€™s underlying personal traits confirms that when a politicianโ€™s mouth is open, heโ€™s most likely lying.

So today, to point out that Obamaโ€™s murky past included heavy doses of anti-Americanism in his younger years is held by the Left as being out-of-bounds, prejudicial, and racist.  Today we should only judge him by his public policies, period.  Of course, that was not the case in the treatment of Bush2, Clinton, and other American leaders.  Tomes have been written over the centuries dissecting the personal lives, character, foibles, and values of prominent people to understand and explain their behavior.  Today the CIA and other security services develop and maintain extensive personality profiles on just about everyone in the public eye so that they can explain why they are doing what they do, and can predict what they may do in the future.  It would be utter foolishness not to devise such personality models of important people.  So why can we not explain to others the conclusions we have drawn about what in our opinion makes someone tick?

[26feb15 update]  Listening to comments by Ron Fournier of the National Journal on Fox this afternoon piqued an inquiry of our readership.  Fournierโ€™s dissertation on Obamaโ€™s latest charitably labeled missteps jibed with much of what is reported these days.  Many of these missteps have been purposive policies and actions which the overwhelming fraction of Americans would agree have hurt our country.  But Fournier, like every other reporter and commentator today, since Giulianiโ€™s famous statement, has hastened to add the obligatory political correctness that he wasnโ€™t calling Obama unpatriotic.  No, no, no.

Well, I have not been accused of being politically correct, nor do I want to stand so accused in the future.  So I would ask Fournier, and more importantly the more conservative commentators on Fox (e.g. Krauthammer, Riley, Hayes, โ€ฆ), to present evidence that Obama is in fact a patriotic American.  Make two columns on a sheet of paper and title them โ€˜Unpatriotic Actsโ€™ and โ€˜Patriotic Actsโ€™.  The column of Unpatriotic Acts has been overfilled for some time now.  The question is โ€“ what would these politically correct commentators put in the other column to give evidence of Obamaโ€™s patriotism and give balance to the lists?

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194 responses to “‘Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain’ (updated 26feb15)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    My Dad was in a ship at Okinawa. He would have been part of the invading force of the Japanese Islands. I am glad Harry dropped the bombs and made them surrender. Crabb and I would not be arguing today if he did not drop them.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    re BenE’s 1056am – Another surefire demonstration of how the progressive brain dysfunctions. As Messrs Walt and fish point out it is ONLY with the corrupt government gun that corrupt corporations can keep out competition and assure their profits which contribute to keeping the corruption alive. When government grabs powers that allow it to have those relationships for sale, then they will be sold to and exercised for the benefit of the highest bidders. A progressive playbook in action as the public loudspeakers blare about the evils of capitalism, and the local lackeys take up the refrain.

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  3. Walt Avatar

    Hell Ben,,, there are some corps. that have the game well figured out. If they can’t sell their products, they buy the politicians to pass laws mandating their use. Nice scam.
    From gas pump fittings to building materials. All in the name of “safety”, or ” global warming”. That especially true right here in Ca.
    Try building a deck with nails alone these days. ( NOT going to happen)
    Gas stations spend big money on vapor recovery. They don’t work for shit, but they are “mandated”.

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  4. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Obama just vetoed the pipeline – now Ben has to figure out what his new story is about the corps running the govt. I’m sure he has a dandy reason to tell us.

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  5. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “You are mistaken, it is corporate America (especially financial, pharmaceutical, military complex, and energy sectors)that control the Democratic and Republican Party’s who in turn control our government. It is working out great for them and lousy for the rest of us”
    If you extend the concept of ‘corporate’ to the notion of self-interested ethnic groups or government unions, I completely buy the concept.
    What is ‘us’ then?
    The government itself probably could be considered the largest corporation. Increasingly strong Caesars are reasonable guess for the future.
    It seems to me that Spengler’s ‘Faustian’ culture is on the way out in any case. The Western industrial culture, with help from within (which you can see in this forum), is following Oswald Spengler’s predicted glidepath. Just do the best you can. A quick quote from his book “Man & Technics’:
    “The history of this technics is fast drawing to its inevitable close.. It will be eaten up from within, like the
    grand forms of any and every Culture. When, and in what fashion, we know not.
    Faced as we are with this destiny, there is only one world. outlook that is worthy
    of us, that which has already been mentioned as the Choice of Achilles โ€” better a
    short life, lull of deeds and glory, than a long life without content. Already the danger
    is so great, for every individual, every class, every people, that to cherish any illusion
    whatever is deplorable. Time does not suffer itself to be halted; there is no question of
    prudent retreat or wise renunciation. Only dreamers believe that there is a way out.
    Optimism is cowardice.
    We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined
    end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope,
    without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in
    Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to
    relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The
    honourable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man. “

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    I do include labor unions into the special interest category and they should not be able to control through contributions anymore than Chamber of Commerce should.
    What the US government has turned into is a massive corporation with the soul purpose of increasing profits for large corporations and industry. Homeland Security is Crony Capitalism at its worst. The EPA and USDA has been captured by the Monsanto’s of the world. SEC has been in control by The Fed, Goldman Sachs, ect…. for a long time. Name the regulatory agency and there are going to be three or four companies who control it. If we look at lobbying for regulations it is these companies that spend the most to keep small independent businesses from competing with the giants. Just look at the Dodd/ Frank law and how many lobbyists from financial sector with massive checks in hand flooded the halls of congress. The number was in the thousands and the result is a very convoluted law that didn’t address the very things that caused the financial meltdown.

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  7. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “What the US government has turned into is a massive corporation with the sole purpose of increasing profits for large corporations and industry. Homeland Security is Crony Capitalism at its worst.”
    It’s fairly obvious that national government is largely in place as a conduit for a system of spoils. An awful lot of the money goes to special interest groups that don’t look a bit like Lockheed Martin, but that’s a quibble.
    Since the US has a corrupt system of resource distribution via government, the correct response would be to shrink that government, no?
    Personally, I think that the system that produced the F-35 fighter and Section 8 housing will continue down it’s current drainhole. Even for the Emerys, their individual Prime Directives should be to avoid the inevitable train crash. In the end, personal relationships will count for more than political hand waving.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    One more time. Government is the large nexus of special interest corruption only to the extent that it is given the size and power to control both selectively and comprehensibly. Now look for the ideologies that promote such size and power.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 26 February 2015 at 07:47 AM
    Ah….still looking at the results and never the causes.
    The government you desire, the one that fixes every injustice, soothes every hurt, and wipes every runny nose of the increasingly moronic and numbed populace must be, by definition, so massive that it’s an irresistible target for crony rent seekers.
    Sorry Ben…..you can’t have your benign welfare state without your murderous corporate warfare state.

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  10. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ben – you are continuing to ignore the holes in your theory. The corps try to run things as much as they can through what ever channels they can, but ultimately it’s the voters that put folks in office. You don’t like lobbyists in the halls of congress? They aren’t the only ones there. Corps pay taxes and have every right to be represented. Who gets to pick and choose who talks to our representatives? Just you?
    What are your solutions? Public financed elections? How much does that cost and who gets to decide which ‘favored’ candidates get the money?
    Our govt is corrupt for these reasons:
    1 Power corrupts – more govt equals more power.
    2 Folks in power tend to want more power (more govt) and they tend to favor govt education that teaches that govt is the answer to everything.
    3 As a nation, we are fat, dumb and happy. Basically we’re human and we fall into bad habits. We take things for granted and start to assume we are owed stuff.
    We are in a vicious downward cycle with an electorate that now is convinced that the govt is the source of all of our stuff. Turning that around from this point is impossible as far as I can see. I would love to be proven wrong.
    Ever since we have had social order and govts there have been folks like Ben that want to blame some outside malevolent force – the Jews, the bankers, the negroes and so on. Look in the mirror.
    Pogo: “We have met the enemy and he is us!”
    Rule number one: don’t vote for anyone that claims they will solve your problems.
    There is no rule number 2.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Ben outs the EPA?? Hay Ben.. The EPA is the LIBS biggest lovechild, and pretty much the most powerful of gov. jackboot thuggery. They are one of the most Socialist gov. departments. BTW.. Also didn’t like the XL pipeline. ( nope,, big business didn’t get any favors there.)

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  12. joe smith Avatar
    joe smith

    Walt 0829
    “Big business didn’t get any favors there”. You are as dumb as a can of Spam.
    HUGE corporate dollars lobbied against XL. Who owns Burlington Northern that currently hauls the oil? Who represents the trucking industry? Motels, restaurants, paving contractors, on and on have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.You are so busy looking at yourself in the mirror you forget there is another side.

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  13. Walt Avatar

    OH…. You mean BIG LIB donors? You may care to see who makes big bucks off “oil by rail”.
    Then there is the ECO lobby.. The one “O” is blowing at the moment.
    “O” sure made the LIB labor unions ” lean forward” on the XL,, then gave it to them “hard and dry”. He made them a bunch of promises, and screwed them but good.

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    joes 900am – You mean to tell us that MSNBC got it all wrong when it identified courting Obama’s far left constituency – the ones dead set against the pipeline – as the real reason for his XL veto?

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gosh Walt
    Wasn’t the EPA started by a Republican President-Richard Nixon? On top of that it was a Presidential order. You can thank the Repubs for that one.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Back to that again Paul? Yaa,,, never mind the FACT that needle bending ECO LIBS have taken over, and infested it? It goes to show that anything actually good a Repub did, LIBS can bastardize, ruin, and turn evil.
    Never mind that EPA of today has used bogus science to push the LIB agenda. ( that would be from the exposed frauds of AGW) The same crap CARB of Ca. has used.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1020am – I don’t think anyone here has held Republicans blameless for their public policies, especially the more progressive Repubs like Nixon. But it defies regular logic to blame the brownshirt jackboot tactics the EPA has adopted since then, under strong Democrat support and less effective Republican opposition, on either Nixon or the GOP. However, leftwing logic is unaffected by such considerations.
    (BTW, following similar argument with other government departments, it is easy to see which ideology is rapidly taking America toward a prison nation.)

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Gosh Paul Emery, wasn’t this country formed by men who said we are in charge of the government? And look at it now. Your pals in the government have taken us. Jeeze, your logic is crapola!

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  19. Walt Avatar

    On the subject of government agencies,, and jack boot tactics, now AMMO is in their cross hairs. If they can’t ban the gun, ban the ammo. The rush is on as I type to get what they can. The good ol’ .22 ammo is harder to find than Bigfoot as it is, now .223 and 5.56 will be just as scarce. If it fits the AR15, the “G” man will ban it.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750
    Good thing I shoot .308, and my buddy reloads.

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  20. Walt Avatar

    As promised… Look what BIG GOV. has done now.
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/26/fcc-votes-in-favor-of-net-neutrality/
    El Jeffy will be orgasmic.
    If George is getting too much traffic here, some of us may be redirected ( in the spirit of fairness) to his lonely page, if we like it or not…. ( don’t think in can happen? This is LIB government at work…)

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  21. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Do politicians get into politics in order to do good – or to do well? Altruism, or ego/self-interest for personal gain? A little of both? Do they first find it personally rewarding, then realize it can be financially rewarding also?
    Whatever the answer, you will find it in both political parties.

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  22. fish Avatar
    fish

    Do politicians get into politics in order to do good – or to do well?
    I think in the beginning most tell themselves that it is the former. Clearly they stay for the latter.

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  23. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Just read the bullet ban language. Because it’s ‘armour piercing’.
    Because the electorate are idiots they actually believed the hooey about ‘bullet-proof’ vests and ‘armour piercing bullets’.
    Bullet-proof vests aren’t and never have been. All sorts of rounds can kill some one with an ‘bullet-proof’ vest.
    AR-15s can be re-chambered to a different round and then they’ll ban that kind of ammo. And on and on we go. You can always spot an evil govt when they go after the citizens right to arm them selves to the point at which they are a threat to the govt. The govt is supposed to be afraid of us. The line in the sand has been drawn and it ain’t in the dessert of some far off country. Obama can wage war after all – just not overseas. Right here against American citizens.
    Combine the bullet ban with their new plans to control the flow of info and we have us a full on fascist govt.

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  24. Walt Avatar

    Yes Scott, I have the AR15’s big daddy. AR10…( .308) They look almost identical.
    The AR upper receiver can be changed out to just about any cal. If you have an AR, you can buy any upper you like and walk out with it. Be sure to get the proper magazine for your diff. ammo.
    BTW. My Ruger stock is up 6.60 on the news. My ammo maker’s stock should be doing the same soon.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gosh and golly guys. I was just trying to put a little historical perspective on the origins of the EPA. Any problem with that? You guys are sooooo sensitive.

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  26. George Rebane Avatar

    Re bullet ban regs – Our Founders gave us the right to bear arms for the prime purpose of securing ourselves from our government becoming a tyranny (just like George III was a few years before). The whole purpose of our having those guns is to be able to penetrate the bullet-proof vests of future battalions of our Gestapo, KGB, Stasi, … . If the only kind of firearms and ammo our government lets us keep are those against which their minions are secure, then the Second Amendment has been constructively repealed.
    I discussed this more fully under the notion of ‘par force’.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2008/04/par-force-an-un.html

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  27. Walt Avatar

    No Paul,, your just trying to blow a dog whistle.
    Another classic Paul ” But look over here!” ( otherwise known as “trolling”)

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    No Walt, just trying to put things in historical perspective.
    Speaking of EPA corruption Reagan’s gal at the top takes the cake. Remember “Sewergate” ? I almost forgot about it. Yes, the glorious Reagan years!
    “Rita M. Lavelle, former chief of the Environmental Protection Agency’s toxic waste programs, was sentenced today to six months in prison and fined $10,000 for lying to Congress.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/10/us/rita-lavelle-gets-6-month-term-and-is-fined-10000-for-perjury.html

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    “Rita M. Lavelle, former chief of the Environmental Protection Agency’s toxic waste programs, was sentenced today to six months in prison and fined $10,000 for lying to Congress.”
    Wow…..these days that gets you a promotion and a book deal. Times were hard back then.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    I have long been arguing incompetence for what has issued from the White House. But then there’s the opposing argument.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 26 February 2015 at 03:03 PM
    To the cheers of a large segment of the populace!

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Brad C. | 26 February 2015 at 03:31 PM
    Stay tuned for thorough debunking of this latest study in 5….4….3….2……!
    It really chafes that people challenge your faith doesn’t it Brad.

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  33. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Fish, Gotcha! and as always, lol!

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  34. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    You stopped at lobbying when in fact it is the vote that I am most concerned with.
    -Why do you think the GOP has been pushing to eliminate as many eligible voters as possible?
    -Why are dark money super pacs allowed to invest into campaign with no disclosure where the money came from i.g. Cuba, China, Russia, Israel
    -Why is it that we have a retention rate between 85-90% in the US Senate and House of Representatives when for decades the approval rating of congress is at an average of around 30%? 113th congress was in the single digits for awhile.
    -When elections are privately funded and no spending caps are in place the candidate who spends the most money wins 90% of the time. To get large sums of money relatively quick do you try to reach out to millions of people for small donations or go to the small few PACS or wealthy individuals to receive the money and in exchange there are specific votes that need to be made in their donor favor.
    Our federal government is not supposed to be the big or powerful over the people. As we continue down the path of big money to play in politics the bigger and invasive our federal and state governments become. At the ground level we get screwed trying to rally enough support for change that takes years to create and then swiped away in one court ruling by SCOTUS with powers they have taken upon themselves and were not laid out in their US Constitutional powers.

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  35. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Brad C. | 26 February 2015 at 03:54 PM
    Russ did a fairly comprehensive analysis of the amount of carbon that would be removed under the current proposal as it pertains to California specifically ….it’s minuscule.
    The per capita annual carbon generated in the US from using fossil fuels is about 4.4 tons. Californiaโ€™s population is 38,800,000. So if carbon emissions for the entire state went to zero, we would prevent 170,720,000 tons of carbon from entering the atmosphere each year. That sounds like an impressive number, but it is only 0.17072 gigatons (GT). The Earthโ€™s atmosphere contains 720 GT of carbon. The oceans contain 38,400 GT. Every year, the atmosphere and oceans exchange about 90 GT of carbon. Nothing the state of California does is going to measurably change the composition of Earthโ€™s atmosphere, and any claim to the contrary is utterly irrational.
    India and China, despite their recent PR moves declared long ago that they planned to treat themselves as “developing nations” (read exempt from emission regulation) for the next hundred years or so. They are close to emitting what we now do and will only emit more as they continue to industrialize.
    Explain to me how, other than making you guys feel good, that you’ve really been part of something that “made a difference”, that this will have any appreciable effect of the environment?
    …and of course, and as always……LOL!

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  36. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    President Obama is no different than any of the last 4 Presidents. He is the front person for some very powerful special interests that have taken over all avenues of information that reach the White House. Personally I believe all 5 of those Presidents broke international law and are war criminals and George W Bush and Barack Obama have shredded the US Constitution and should have faced impeachment trials in congress.
    Do not mix up hating policies of our government with hating our country. Would you say all of those conservatives that spoke out against or hated the New Deal and progressive era that followed haters of America? My guess is you wouldn’t.
    The US since the cold war has made a turn down a dark path and since the fall of the USSR has made an even darker turn to become the antithesis of the ideals our nation was founded on, in my opinion of course.

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    Stay tuned for thorough debunking of this latest study in 5….4….3….2……!
    My response @ 4:16 was not the debunking….I expect that to come from elsewhere….each side manages to eviscerate their oppositions documentation on a near daily basis.

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 420pm – That Obama is no different than the last 4 presidents is a contention that today receives tremendous nationwide pushback. Your news sources probably carry none of it, so you believe it is only something you read on RR. Daniel Henninger, WSJ Dep Editor, summarized the opposing sentiment this way –
    “The U.S. just tried electing a rookie president and had six years of amateur hour. It doesnโ€™t work. …, the seriousness of the task facing voters in 2016: Elect a successor to the most catastrophic American presidency in over 80 years. And it ainโ€™t over yet.”
    (BTW, have no idea what your ding-dong school lecture about mixing hating country to hating the policies of some miscreant leaders is all about. These years of commentaries demonstrate that most certainly I know the difference. Moreover, I knew and defended that difference when you were still a sanitary problem for your parents.)

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    I draw your kind attention to this post’s 26feb15 update.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ben Emery, please tell us who fits your bill as a leader for the country. Also, do you have a plan to elect that person?

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  41. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    From Ben:
    “Why do you think the GOP has been pushing to eliminate as many eligible voters as possible?”
    Total BS, Ben. BUT – let’s go with your hallucination. What is the total number of ‘eligible voters’ that have been horse whipped back into their homes by the Rs?
    What if they had gone to the voting booth and voted?
    Now comes your point about the re-election rate of our reps.
    “Why is it that we have a retention rate between 85-90% in the US Senate and House of Representatives when for decades the approval rating of congress is at an average of around 30%?”
    If you took the time to look at the breakdowns in each election, you would find most won on overwhelming numbers. Add in the made up numbers of voters kept from voting because of the Rs and it would be the same result.
    Your question about why do folks re-elect their own representative when they hold congress in general at a low regard is so easy once you actually think instead of just regurgitating Daily Kos BS.
    The polls are taken of a sample of folks that may or may not even vote.
    The poll reflects how the average person feels about the job the entire congress is doing. Not the person they personally voted for. Both the left and the right think the congress is doing a crappy job. A lot of folks in the middle just don’t think they have enough money in their pocket. Must be the fault of congress. I happen to like Logue and McClintock and have voted for them. Not perfect, but good enough to vote for. They represent a small minority in congress and can not make policy changes or force votes on important changes that are needed.
    Hence – over the years, I like my choice, but I don’t like the job congress in general is doing.
    Most people like their ‘guy’ because he’s promised them stuff and promises to punish the folks they don’t like. So they march into the booth and vote for him or her again and again and again.
    Most voters haven’t got a clue as to what’s going on in the world. They are the problem.
    Please tell me why the govt gun taking even more of my money to start another bureaucracy in order to give money to another Dem in California to run for office is going to make things better? You want a corrupt govt to have more money to pick who wins the election. Wow. Sounds real good. We have a big and powerful govt because most of the voters want it that way. Ask the average voter that thinks the govt is too big what part of govt they want eliminated. Uh-Oh. Well, well, uh – not that or that or that or that – come to think of it, they can’t think of any part of govt they want eliminated. Actually they want more, now that you asked. And now we have govt control over the internet. And the average Joe thinks that’s swell. “No rich SOB is gonna get movies down loaded any faster than me! I’m an Amurican and I have my rights!”
    See how it works?

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  42. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    #1 – The numbers are in the millions.
    #2- Retention rates have to do with Gerrymandering and Campaign Spending. Both reasons eliminating virtually any chance of an independent candidate winning a seat in state houses, congress, or the Presidency. Out of 535 congressional representatives 2 are independent from the Republican or Democratic Party. In California I believe not a single state rep is outside the two parties.
    The result of #2 makes any candidate who actually wants to serve in a state or federal elected office go through the two massively corrupted political parties.
    Public financing has signature and small donation requirements, both are very tough to meet but it takes someone serious to qualify for the funding. Getting a couple dozen people is relatively easy but getting a couple hundred is very difficult.

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Second request of Ben Emery.
    Ben Emery, please tell us who fits your bill as a leader for the country. Also, do you have a plan to elect that person?

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  44. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Bernie Sanders is who I am supporting for 2016 and grassroots democracy campaigning is the plan on getting him elected.

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Are you serious? Obama was more catastrophic than Bush? The before and after of Bush’s eight years are without comparison in modern times. Really, he was asleep at the wheel when our country was attacked, responded by wasting our military in Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11, got us involved in two endless unfunded wars costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, and he sat around while our economy collapsed and did nothing to warn us of the fraud and corruption that caused the stock market and real estate values to collapse with massive unemployment and added trillions to our national debt. Now that’s a legacy second to none.

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  46. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Really, Ben – “The numbers are in the millions.”
    And the list of these ‘millions’ is available where?
    You really think these ‘millions’ of made up folks scattered out in all of the thousands of precincts would make any difference? Even if they all magically voted for B. Sanders, he still wouldn’t get much of the vote.
    You want to limit govt by electing B. Sanders?
    Since the system is all rigged, How did B. Sanders get elected?
    If Bernie Sanders was pres and he vetoed the pipeline bill, how is that different from Obama vetoing the pipeline bill?
    Do you really think all of the ‘independent’ politicians would all fall in left wing lock step? You might want to consider that there are a lot of right wing ‘independent’ folks that would just nullify your independents. Votes on Capitol Hill are aye or nay. The political party affiliation of the person voting doesn’t count.
    Sorry, Ben. We get the govt we deserve. There is no secret cabal of hand-rubbing white capitalists magically running the govt.
    I know you can hardly wait until the govt forces you to hand money over to one of the Koch bros as they run for elected office, but I like to be able to support only the candidates I want.

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    Michael R. Kesti

    Scott Obermuller 26Feb15 09:42 PM
    Really, Ben – “The numbers are in the millions.”
    And the list of these ‘millions’ is available where?

    There is, of course, no such list because there can be no such list. That list’s absence is therefore proof of nothing. I both hope and suspect that you can do better, Scott.
    The above should in no way be construed as my agreement with Ben Emerey’s opinion that the Republican Party seeks to disenfranchise voters.

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  48. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Kesti, there is only one E in Emery, FYI. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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