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Sandbox – 16feb15

16 February 2015

[Boy, do these sandboxes fill up fast! Has anybody read the just published 'The Great Divide – Why Liberals and Conservatives will never, ever agree' by William D. Gairdner? It seems that others are beginning to realize that we are beyond the tipping point and our polarization is irredeemable. But then, longtime RR readers are aware of that observation of our body politic. Nevertheless, it's always heartening to welcome more people who have come to understand and share the perception.]

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100 responses to “Sandbox – 16feb15”

Bill Tozer

16 February 2015

Ok, here is one that I have been sitting on for months.
While listening to NPR one night, I was much impressed by a female Latino advocate for immigration. I was awed by her articulate well informed arguments and her eloquent debating style. She knew all the ins and outs of the Obama immigration plan, many of which she pointed out as window dressing and some as smoke and mirrors. Fair enough.
When the topic moved to deportation of criminal immigrants, her argument left me slack jawed. She asked who are those convicted of criminal offenses? “They are our brothers, our sisters, our sons, our cousins, our neighbors”.
Wow, she is using the criminal deportation clause as a rallying cry about breaking apart families. And you know what, I bet that clause will be left out in the final bill (if there is one) in the name of compassion and keeping the family intact. One stroke of the Executive Order pen would order non compliance of deporting criminal aliens if they have friends or family here. Just wait and see.
Remember when Obamacare was being rammed down the public’s throat….er….being debated? They threw the conservatives a bone by saying that illegal aliens would not be eligible to participate in the Affordable Care Act. I laughed. Sure, anything you libs say. Yeah right. Guess they did not ask Jerry Brown when he recently extended Covered California to illegal aliens.
The libs have thrown the conservatives a bone by saying criminal aliens will be deported. Yeah, right.

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Bill Tozer

17 February 2015

Has it occurred to more than just a few readers that the only religion Obama has defended 100% is Islam? Not one word of critism. Guess it is wise not to burn bridges because someday he might need to sleep under one.
Has it occurred to anyone that Obama has yet to refer to those beheaded on the sun kissed beaches of Libya as Christians? A massacre has happened (again), yet the carefully chosen words of the White House spin omitted the word Christian (again).
Why can’t anybody call a spade a spade, besides Egypt and Jordan? We are in a Religious War. Period. A Holy War or Unholy War depending on your preference.
https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1424177361./10152807507985914/?type=3&theater

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Barry Pruett

17 February 2015

Watch as the national immigration debate changes shape with the recent court ruling that Obama’s immigration executive orders are unconstitutional. How can Congress fund an illegal act?

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Todd Juvinall

17 February 2015

My guess is the court will put on hold their action. I have no confidence in this.

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Russ Steele

17 February 2015

I am currently reading The Great Divide and find the Where Do You Stand side by side charts, comparing liberal and conservative views on issues, helpful in summarizing the authors points. As I read, I see some of the authors points being played out in the news and on this blog. I recommend the book to all blog readers. It is available in Kindle and hard copy from Amazon.
The author has a webpage at http://www.williamgairdner.com where he has an article on the Paris shooting: Charlie Hebdo – It’s a War of the Gods!
Concluding: It is time to recognize that we are in the midst of a war of opposing gods just as dramatic, and theologically-rooted on both sides as any of the ancient wars of the gods depicted by historians, or, more to the point at hand — by the historians of the Crusades. Recommended.

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George Rebane

17 February 2015

BarryP 644am – That the WH is appealing the ruling, what impact does that have on Congress until the appeal is adjudicated?
re RussS 804am – I too am into ‘The Great Divide’, thanks to Russ giving it to me for my birthday. It is indeed an even-handed and comprehensive analysis of the liberal and conservative belief tenets, and what impact the resulting polarization is having on rending western societies. RR readers will find few discrepancies between what I have written in these pages (and my extensive Credo) and Gairdner’s essay. I also strongly recommend this volume to readers of all socio-political persuasions.

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Barry Pruett

17 February 2015

I have not read the 100-plas page ruling. My understanding is that the judge’s order is a temporary restraining order (“TRO”) enjoining the administration from implementing the executive orders. A TRO stays in place until the permanent injunction is adjudicated by a trial. The administration can certainly appeal the permanent injunction, but that injunction has not gone to trial and has not been issued. I would have to do some research, but I think that the administration may be able to do an interlocutory appeal (an appeal before the trial), but I am not 100%. Something in my brain is telling me that the TRO is appealable prior to trial, but it would be kind of stupid to appeal the TRO and then go to trial and then possibly lose and appeal again. In the civil realm, it would likely be a waste of resources, but in the government realm resources are infinite…at least in their minds.
As far as Congress is concerned, the TRO is a political advantage. “Why in the world would Congress fund an executive order that cannot even be executed by virtue of a TRO?” A federal judge as ruled that the executive orders are likely illegal. Congress should not fund the executive order until this case has a final verdict or at least until the TRO is lifted.

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George Rebane

17 February 2015

BarryP 937am – The media is reporting that the DoJ is seeking an injunction against the TRO, and the expect a ruling this afternoon. Have no idea how all this fits into the overall legal wrangling about the constitutionality (i.e. legality) of Obama’s “executive action” Is that even a concept used in the Constitution? I am aware of ‘executive order’ being described in the Constitution.
Here is a pretty thorough description of Executive Orders.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Executive+Order
From there we read –
“Executive orders also may be authorized by the president’s independent constitutional authority (Cunningham v. Neagle, 135 U.S. 1, 10S. Ct. 658, 34 L. Ed. 55 [1890]). Various clauses of the U.S. Constitution have been cited to support the issuance of executive orders. Among them are the Vestiture Clause, which states, “The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America” (art. II, § 1, cl. 1); the Take Care Clause, which states that the president “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” (art. II, § 3); and the Commander in Chief Clause, which states that the president “shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States” (art. II, § 2, cl. 1).”

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Barry Pruett

17 February 2015

Executive orders are simply the method the president uses to execute the laws enacted by Congress and signed by the President. The problem is that his executive orders have the force of law in that they are granting something to someone that the law forbids…hence the fight.
So the administration is seeking a TRO against the TRO? Interesting. The opinion is 100 pages for a reason. The judge wanted the reasoning sound so that it cannot be overturned. What little that I have read, it appears to be a very compelling opinion. I will talk to you more about it this afternoon.

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George Rebane

17 February 2015

The travesty of Obama’s nationalized healthcare marches on, and the progressives of the land remain totally clueless –
WASHINGTON (AP) – The official sign-up season for President Barack Obama’s health care law may be over, but leading congressional Democrats say millions of Americans facing new tax penalties deserve a second chance.
Three senior House members strongly urged the administration Monday to grant a special sign-up opportunity for uninsured taxpayers who will be facing fines under the law for the first time this year.

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George Boardman

17 February 2015

Conservatives keep demanding that all illegals be rounded up and deported. How, exactly, would that be done?
For starters, it would probably involve a unprecedented intrusion into the houses of millions of Americans, something conservatives claim to abhor. After all, that’s why a lot of them bought all those guns.
In areas where there are heavy concentrations of illegals, we’d need a dragnet to make sure they didn’t escape. We could probably utilize the techniques employed by the Nazis when they were rounding up Jews in Europe.
Or maybe we could try something more sensible, like granting amnesty to the law-abiding illegals already here–you know, like President Ronald Reagan did.
Then we could deport the criminals, tighten up border security with greater use of drones and other sophisticated technology, and crack down hard on the businesses that employ these people, which is the main incentive for them to come here in the first place.

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Todd Juvinall

17 February 2015

Self deportation works. Look at the Muslims headed back home now that jobs and freebies are drying up. The answer is border first, deal with the people once the border is secure. My guess is all those that think like Boardman will change their minds once a “jihadi” blows up something they like here.

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Bill Tozer

17 February 2015

Mr. Boardman. The consenses here has always been NOT to go around busting down 8 million plus illegall’s front doors, dragging them down the street by their hair as female social workers hold the babies. Ain’t practical and it ain’t gonna happen.
I have always proposed more effort to clamp down at our ports of entry and the southern border. At least turn the screws tighter at the aforementioned places. Less illegal entry as well as less overstayed visas means less future problems.
Then deal with the illegal residents here by green cards, path to citizenship, serving in our Armed Forces (as many do) and kicking out the law breakers. Or do it all simultaneously.
No need to raid homes. When a illegal alien commits a violent crime and is caught whether he/she serves jail time or not, they should be deported after facing the judge and doing time (if any). If that causes a hardship for the criminal’s family, the family can always join up with their beloved family member in their country of orgin. Maybe a 2-3 strikes and you are out of here knucklehead for repeat petty offenders.
All the talk in the world and good ideas of how to handle all the known and unknown illegal aliens currently here is a mute point until the floodgates are closed. We can discuss humane treatment of our undocumented residents and migrates after the dam has been repaired. No use talking about farming the flood plain when the dam is being breeched.

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Gregory

17 February 2015

“Conservatives keep demanding that all illegals be rounded up and deported” G Boardman
That’s not what I’ve heard. Romney (a conservative when he thought he needed to be) wanted to just make it less than cushy so they’d self deport. Others just wanted illegals to be deported when they did something criminally illegal, like driving a car without a license and committing fraud by giving a LEO a false name and someone else’s driver’s license when stopped.
That isn’t a round up, that’s just SOP.

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Todd Juvinall

17 February 2015

It would be interesting to challenge Boardman to give us the list of those R’s and Conservatives (the one’s with the power only) that stated they wanted to round them up. Maybe he has some we don’t know about? Or maybe he is an affecianto of the DailyKos?

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George Rebane

17 February 2015

GeorgeB 1123am – Mr Boardman, you have a profound misunderstanding of what the conservative view is toward illegal aliens already in-country. Some readers have already taken you to task on your assertion that “Conservatives keep demanding that all illegals be rounded up and deported.” I know of no conservatives or conservative outlets that promote such a policy. All reasonable people know that to attempt such deportations to save our country would be tantamount to destroying it. As a voice in our community you should do your best to stifle the trumpeting of such patently false allegations of the far Left.
The solution to our illegal alien problem has several parts, all of them being fairly obvious. And all such policies start with ‘sealing’ our borders as described here for years. However, our greatest foes, when it comes to conserving America as a sovereign nation-state within its current borders, are the globalist progressives who overwhelmingly wear the Democrat mantle. As you might know, they prefer to hide their stripes in the public forums.
Please don’t take any of this as a denigration of you or your character, I am among those who only push back on what appear to be items in your knowledge base and, perhaps, tenets of your ideology. By all means, you are more than welcome to publish your thoughts and debate them here on RR, or even write a byline on something you feel strongly about.

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Don Bessee

17 February 2015

Boardmans misunderstood reference to the Reagan immigration try is why were here. RR made a good faith deal to fix imigration with the dems and did his part and fully expected them to do theirs. They never sealed the boarders as promised. Then we basically did the same under Bush and here we are 5million latter still begging the government to do its job and seal the boarder as repeatedly promised and this time we are at war. Nothing at all for illegals until the boarders are sealed. Wouldn’t it be more fair to put those who applied and followed the rules at the front of the pack? Any criminal convictions should be an automatic disqualification – deportation and yes their families too. Seems that would be an excellent incentive to behave. What about the alice in wonderland rules for refugees, so if your a jhihadi in your country of origin and would get entangled with the law back home that’s enough under the rules for asylum!?!?! Can we say Boston bombers family ties tell the story?

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George Boardman

17 February 2015

The Republican Party is starting to remind me of Will Rogers’ description of that other party: “I’m not a member of an organized party. I am a Democrat.”
McConnell and Boehner are blaming each other for defunding Homeland Security, while some Senate Republicans joined the Democrats to pass an immigration reform bill, only to have the House GOP declare it dead on arrival.
John McCain joined Ted Kennedy to sponsor a bill that would provide a path to citizenship, then reversed his position on securing the borders and said he would oppose the bill if it came up for a vote.
Who am I to believe in the Republican Party? Louie Gohmert? Duncan Hunter? Ted Cruz? Or Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush?
How about the party rank-and-file? According to a Reuters/Ipsos poll cited by Rasmussen, 75 percent of Republicans think all/most illegal immigrants should be deported.
Then there’s Shaun Kenney, executive director of the Virginia Republican Party, who said he would like to “deport” all Republicans who support deportation.
Get back to me when the GOP stops talking out of both sides of its mouth.

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Don Bessee

17 February 2015

Nice bob n weave on the history GB. The real issue is the shredding of the rule of law. For example the Feds telling DHS boarder agents that it is good to just let drunk drivers go on their way. This is in the super busy Tucson sector, much of which is barren desert. This means few and far between LE of any kind. They normally work under the comity legal theory where they share responsibility with the local LE. So ignore illegal immigrants, ignore those attacking the boarder agents and don’t shoot them. Now its ignore the drunk drivers! Act on the bills already passed on boarder security, enforce the rule of law and then lets talk concessions. Homeland Security workers are nearly all classified essential and would still go to work without a funding bill so there is no diminution of security. Let’s also remember that most immigration plans were hatched in of good financial times. There is no pie to share with illegal newcomers. What say you GB about the issue of giving retroactive earned income tax credits to illegals who never filed or paid fed taxes?

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Russ Steele

17 February 2015

Mr Boardman
As President once said, “Elections have consequences.” Yes they do. All across America voters elected Republican Governors and Attorney Generals. These newly elected Republicans are busy protecting the rights of the citizens in their states. We cannot say the same here in California, our leaders roll over and whimper when the feds bark.
Under Texas leadership, 26 Attorney General have moved forward to challenge the President on his immigration executive order. There will be more challenges as these feisty Republican’s seek to protect the citizens in their states from federal over reach.
Stay tuned.

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Todd Juvinall

17 February 2015

Boardman does the ropa-dope dodge. No quotes from anyone to back up his points. Nothing new there. The R’s have maintained border security first then deal with those here. Sure he can find some outlier that will say deport. But I want Boardman to go read the PLATFORM and then tell us where it says what he says.
Regarding Reagan. The action of amenety was accomplished by the Executive in conjunction with the Congress. Not by Executive acition. Perhaps a history lesson would assist Boardman in his yapping. But, he represents the laziness of the press I have seen all my politcial life. The people get shortchanged.

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Bill Tozer

17 February 2015

How about a novel idea that has been floating around for years. The idea, which is radical in nature, is to enforce the laws on the books. Sure, it sounds crazy, but the laws were passed by Congress, signed into law by the President, and promptly defunded by the Democrats who controlled the purse strings at the time.
Remember when Congress held the purse strings and Congress made laws? I read about it somewhere. I think it was called legislating if not mistaken. I know, I am just a greenhorn still wet behind the ears and naively wide eyed and bushy tailed. I be full over radical pie in the sky ideals.

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Bill Tozer

17 February 2015

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http://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8052457/immigration-lawsuit-opinion

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Bill Tozer

18 February 2015

Topic change. Ah, those silly university students and their lib professors are fomenting a hot bed of radical ideas. Nothing worse than a bunch of 19 year olds not towing the line. Such name calling, such intolerance.
http://news.yahoo.com/commie-loving-mainlanders-targeted-hong-kongs-top-university-210540201–sector.html

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Gregory

18 February 2015

“Get back to me when the GOP stops talking out of both sides of its mouth.”-G Boardman
I am flabbergasted to hear an adult expecting a group of 55 million Americans to all have the same opinions.
For all their failings, being pod people isn’t one of them, and the national elections are where both parties decide on what they can all pretend are their organizing principles over the next four years.

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Bill Tozer

18 February 2015

Too sweet. The Judge referenced Obam’s statement when the current President. announced his new immigration policy to the nation. Something like “I created a new law” will come back to bite his defiant behind.
Despite today’s liberal outrage declaring the law, history, justice and “the good” is on their side, Obama cannot simply create new laws out of thin air. Non enforcement of existing law is one thing. Making a new law is another. It is illegal, unconstitutional, and shreds the separation of powers. In a way, it has less to do with immigration and everything to do with the prohibitions contained so clearly in the Constitution.
http://cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/indiscretion-obama-admits-personally-changing-immigration-law

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Todd Juvinall

18 February 2015

When the next Prez does an executive order outlawing democrats, I wonder if the left will agree?

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Bill Tozer

18 February 2015

Todd, are you saying that when Democrats are outlawed, only outlaws will be Democrats?
I envision Whorled Peas on Earth, a place where Democrats rule everything, and a land where Executive Orders go unchallenged.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EV4N2dk0cMk

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Joe Koyote

19 February 2015

Another quote from a corporate CEO about climate change– this time from Google CEO Eric Schmidt on why his company dropped its membership in ALEC. Many other large corporation including Yahoo, Facebook, Yelp, Coca-Cola, General Motors, Walmart, Wendy’s, Kraft Foods, McDonald’s, Amazon.com, Apple, Procter & Gamble, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and the medical insurance group Blue Cross and Blue Shield dropped their memberships because of ALEC’s radical viewpoints and legislative agendas on a multitude of issues.
“The facts of climate change are not in question anymore. The people who oppose it are really hurting our children and our grandchildren and making the world a much worse place. And we should not be aligned with such people. They’re just — they’re just literally lying.”
Note: ALEC was started by Heritage co-founder, Paul Weyrich.

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Todd Juvinall

19 February 2015

Soe JoeK your hero is the company that spies on everyone? You crack me up. ALEC is not radical, they are effective in the public policy arena of common sense.

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2015

Joe k, the Global climate is always in flux over time. They just found the bones of an intact extinct marine reptile in Colombia 100 miles from the Caribbean. Guess that means the sea levels have shrunk during the last tens of thousands of years. They don’t farm the coast of Greenland like they did just less than a thousand years ago, nor is there remaining an ice bridge across the North Alantic from Northern Europe to Northern America that adventurous people once walked across.
Our planet has a documented history of mega droughts, ice ages, warm periods, you name it….since man has been around and prior to the first footprints in the sand. And the surface of the planet remains 70% oceans, seas, and bodies of water.
Bottom line. How much of climate change is caused by humans that inhabit 30% of the Earth’s surface, including sparsely populated vast regions of forest, jungles, and deserts found on every continent? That is the unsettled question in my mind.
If we all stopped burning all fossil fuels this instant and shut down everything for the next 200 years while dwelling in caves with not fires, that would not reduce any carbon percentage I n our atmosphere by any statistically minuscule measurement we have.
How much climate change is caused by humans today? How much was caused by humans during the Stone Age, the Bronze Age, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, not to mention the Wooly Mammaths?
What is the human impact and what can modern man do to chane the climate???????

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Brad C.

19 February 2015

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization… Just another rent seeking non-profit?

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Todd Juvinall

19 February 2015

Depends on whose ox is being gored.

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George Rebane

19 February 2015

BradC 1200pm – Are you aware of what the IRS requires of an organization to qualify for 501c3 status?
‘Rent-Seeking’- When a company, organization or individual uses their resources to obtain an economic gain from others without reciprocating any benefits back to society through wealth creation.

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Gregory

19 February 2015

JoKe, do you really organize your life around what billionaire CEO’s tell you to do and believe?
In the “sun so hot I froze to death” department, according to the Washington Post, “Chicago set a new record low for the date [this AM] of minus 8 degrees, breaking the old record of minus 7 set in 1936. Cincinnati, Nashville and Springfield, Mo., also broke record lows for the date, among dozens of other cities”.
Please, ask Eric Schmidt (he’s not on my Christmas Card list) where it was in the AGW scientific rhetoric ten years ago that the hotter it got, the colder it would be? Gore was claiming Arctic ice would be gone in 7 years but that was 8 years ago.
I’m happy my son’s current Boston area (it’s frigid there, too) gigs include free room and board, all utilities, with underground hallways to get from building to building in the dorm complex. Sweet. If it wasn’t for school he could stay indoors until it warms up.

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Scott Obermuller

19 February 2015

“The facts of climate change are not in question anymore.”
What facts? How about the “end of snow”?
Seen the photos out of Boston lately?
I’d love to debate the ‘facts’ of climate change, but golly – it seems the other side’s ‘facts’ just keep changing all of the time.
NOAH and climatologists have declared the drought in California to be part of a cyclical pattern that could extent for decades as it has in the recent past. They further declared it had nothing to do with AGW.
So where is Eric Schmidt on that one? The pols in California are still trying to whip up the AGW boogie man with the current drought.
Of course, I’m not a billionaire, so Joe won’t respond to ‘the facts’.

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Bill Tozer

20 February 2015

Maybe this should be under the category of Those Left Behind.
http://fortune.com/2015/02/19/germany-greece-euro-zone/?xid=yahoo_fortune

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Scott Obermuller

20 February 2015

Greece wants to borrow more money and plans to repay it with more borrowing. Hey – it works for US!
Back at home – your tax dollars hard at work.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-america-should-adopt-plant-based-diet/
You have to wonder where they find these people. If you had predicted these ‘guidelines’ from the feds, the left would call you crazy.
The govt really does want to control your entire life.

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Joe Koyote

20 February 2015

Gregory: “JoKe, do you really organize your life around what billionaire CEO’s tell you to do and believe?”
Scott: “Of course, I’m not a billionaire, so Joe won’t respond to ‘the facts’.”
Wonderful responses boys… very thoughtful duh!..same old same old. Is that your best shot?
In fact I don’t trust the corporate types at all.. which lends even more credence when they come out on the side of the truth. You see the billionaire/CEO types have way more to lose than you two goofs if they are wrong. So when they “come out” as it were, against climate denial or some other radical rightwing cause, that should signal to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that the gig is up, the handwriting is on the wall, the issue is settled.. in this case human caused climate change is real and the CEO types are changing their position in droves because they can no longer hide behind the lies.. not because they actually give a damn, but because their monetary futures depend on making correct interpretations and decisions. Unlike you boys, they don’t depend upon blogs and corporate sponsored think tanks for their information because they know that information is bogus and they can no longer hide behind the, as the CEO of Google puts it, “lies.” It is in their vested interests and future financial well being to make the right choices for their stockholders. People like you are just pawns (sheeple if you prefer) who are easily manipulated into supporting their schemes and scams and now that they can no longer “deny” reality you and your ilk are being dumped like a hot potato left trying to hold an umbrella in hundred mile an hour winds. How does it feel to have been conned by your heroes, the capitains of industry?

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George Rebane

20 February 2015

ScottO 846am – On the mark. The advance of these federal dietary guidelines is just the latest of many obaminations on the road to A21. “A panel of nutrition experts recruited by the Obama administration to help craft the next set of guidelines, to be issued this year, said in long-awaited recommendations Thursday that the government should consider the environment when deciding what people should eat.” More here –
http://www.wsj.com/articles/diet-experts-push-more-plants-less-meat-in-nod-to-environment-1424368897

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Bill Tozer

20 February 2015

Scott, wow. Imagine being overweight and worksite interventionalis show up and pull you out of the welding booth to have a intervention. Boy, that would be humiliating. Or pull some poor working mom aside while her coworkers start the vicious whisper campaign. Are you sure this article wasn’t originally written for The Onion? Wow.

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George Rebane

20 February 2015

Haven’t thrown out anything in a while on gun control and the 2nd Amendment to pull the chains of our “moral superiors”. Well, here’s a video by Bill Whittle that’s sure to cause a bit of consternation in certain circles. Then again, maybe crickets would be the best responders.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/pELwCqz2JfE

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Russ Steele

20 February 2015

George,
I like the new header. Who did the graphics for you?

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Scott Obermuller

20 February 2015

Hey Joe – I’m not getting my AGW ‘facts’ from blogs or righty think tanks. I’m getting them from the folks you say you trust.
The end of snow. From the NYT. Care to comment?
The drought in California is not from AGW – according to NOAH and climatologists. These are the true believers of AGW and they are saying our drought is not from AGW. Care to comment?
As far as the wealthy being more believable because they “have way more to lose than you two goofs if they are wrong.”
They are making their money off of this AGW BS. They have nothing to loose. The typical ‘solutions’ to AGW always call for more govt controls and higher costs. But these controls and costs mean nothing to the personal lives of the wealthy, with the exception of more money making opportunities.
Would you please address the points I bring up, or will you continue to just call me names?

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George Rebane

20 February 2015

RussS 338pm – A friend of our daughter (Southern Tribe) who is a professional graphics designer. He sent them to me as a birthday present after getting tired of looking at the one I concocted from canned elements 😉 Thanks for the kind words.

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Walt

20 February 2015

OK,,, one for the solar freaks. Even over in the islands, the solar business isn’t all that sunny. (400 jobs bite the dust)
Now look what one of the “pro solar” guys pops off with.
“We know specifically that a lot of people who want to install solar can’t install solar and there’s companies that actively want to sell a product but can’t”.
That can be taken two different ways. Are there people who want it installed, and can’t?
Or is it the installer business that wants to, just can’t find the jobs?
I believe,, he believes there is a conspiracy to stop solar..( too much Maui Waui is my guess)
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/28163938/report-400-solar-jobs-lost-in-hawaii

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Bill Tozer

20 February 2015

Abandon hope all ye who scroll further.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/383905/great-lakes-surface-frozen-second-straight-year

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Joe Koyote

21 February 2015

some FRACKING news: The non-profit Public Accountability Initiative reviewed 130 documents given to Congress by industry reps and found that the “Fracking Industry distorts science to deceive the public and policymakers” about the safety of fracking.
In related news: Oklahoma is now the earthquake capital of America, surpassing California’s number of 3.0 or greater quakes last year by almost double. Over the last ten years, the rise in earthquakes is in direct proportion to the number of fracking operations approved in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma legislature is reviewing (industry provided) research to determine whether or not to limit or ban fracking.
Just another coincidence like climate change, GMOs, tobacco, prescription drugs, or any number of other controversial issues that effect the public health and well being on one side and corporate profits on the other. The corporations lie about everything. Legal precedent requires CEOs to maximize shareholder returns under penalty of law even if it means screwing the public. What a great system we have.

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Brad C.

21 February 2015

Walt, Hawaii solar project slack could have somrhing to do with this,
http://allianceforsolarchoice.com/new-poll-shows-hawaiian-electric-fails-meet-customer-appetite-solar/

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Brad C.

21 February 2015

I got your solar freaks right here…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/20/solar-energys-new-best-friend-is-the-christian-coalition/

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