Sandbox – 16feb15

February 2015
S	M	T	W	T	F	S
1	2	3	4	5	6	7
8	9	10	11	12	13	14
15	16	17	18	19	20	21
22	23	24	25	26	27	28

OUR LINKS

YubaNet
White House Blog
Watts Up With That?
The Union
Sierra Thread
RL “Bob” Crabb
Barry Pruett Blog

Sandbox – 16feb15

16 February 2015

[Boy, do these sandboxes fill up fast! Has anybody read the just published 'The Great Divide – Why Liberals and Conservatives will never, ever agree' by William D. Gairdner? It seems that others are beginning to realize that we are beyond the tipping point and our polarization is irredeemable. But then, longtime RR readers are aware of that observation of our body politic. Nevertheless, it's always heartening to welcome more people who have come to understand and share the perception.]

Posted in Comment Sandbox

100 responses to “Sandbox – 16feb15”

George Rebane

21 February 2015

JoeK 843am – Methinks fracking is one of those processes the collateral effects of which can be unambiguously measured. And yes, the land will settle if you remove some of its supporting structures (here fluids).

LikeLike
Todd Juvinall

21 February 2015

JoeK, why are there so many earthquakes in the Yellowstone area? There is no fracking there.
Since my Brother-in-law is a geologist from Colorado and is working in North Dakota I asked him about all these claims by the libs that fracking is bad. He says nope. The earths crust is really really thick and this fracking is like a little scratch at the surface. It really is all about fossil fuels for the left and the science gas nothing to do with it. Sort of the same for “global warming” nuts. The science is not there but the computer models may be. What a hoot! Anyway, JoeK please send me to the scientific links with peer reviewed data on the “sea level rise”. Oh, can’t find any? LOL!

LikeLike
Russ Steele

21 February 2015

JoeK@08:43
What about the quakes in NW Nevada, about 40 miles south of Lakeview Oregon. No fracking there, yet the area is having a swarm of earthquakes. Is fracking on OK causing these quakes?
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/01/8_earthquakes_in_24_hours_ratt.html
http://www.kptv.com/story/27299568/scientists-monitoring-earthquake-swarm-near-lakeview

LikeLike
George Rebane

21 February 2015

Gentlemen, I don’t think listing all the various locations of earthquakes is going to resolve ‘fracking also causes earthquakes’. As we know, earthquakes are the result of a spectrum of precursors ranging from plate tectonics, abnormal magma bubbles, nuclear explosions, and possibly fracking. If the latter cause is established, then one can argue that fracking near established fault lines that have been locked for a long time (i.e. stored up a lot of energy) will impose a risk for a larger quake along the fault, since these big ones can be set off by nearby small ones. It’s an area of science not settled since even our plate tectonics earthquake models are highly unreliable (i.e. have wide variances for when and how large will be the next fault line earthquake).

LikeLike
Todd Juvinall

21 February 2015

After the movie “Gaslands” came out and was reviewed for veracity we all got to see what crap these libs spew. The water faucet on fire had nothing to do with fracking yet that was the movies claim. Since that movie was proved bogus, the left is now using this earthquake stuff. It is one more step in their disinformation campaign. Many of us saw the same beginning for AGW way back and look how that went. Billions of tax dollars to bogus science. So I would suggest that every time a JoeK or JoeSmith rear their heads and claim some evil from these things, we have to debunk them every time so their crapola does not take root.

LikeLike
Scott Obermuller

21 February 2015

Good old Joe. Says I get all my info from the right wing blogs and when I point out that I don’t, he changes the subject to something else.
Then he comes up with this:
“The corporations lie about everything.”
Now, normally I’d ask for some proof of this breathtakingly idiot remark, but I know that Joe would rather just change the subject again.
With an attitude like that, no wonder he has the opinions he holds.
Let’s see, many corps that make money off of gov mandated AGW BS are all in with everything that Joe says about AGW. But Joe says they are liars. How does Joe square that little conundrum? Oh, I know, change the subject!

LikeLike
Russ Steele

21 February 2015

Quote of the week, Mark Steyn:
Marie Harf, star of the hilarious new comedy Geopolitically Blonde, explaining her jobs-for-jihadis program.

LikeLike
Bill Tozer

22 February 2015

O
https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10152823601265914/?type=1&theater

LikeLike
Joe Koyote

22 February 2015

From the National Geographic Society on the climate change hoax– “The idea that hundreds of scientist from all over the world would collaborate on such a vast hoax is laughable–scientists love to debunk one another. It’s very clear, however, that organizations funded in part by the fossil fuel industry have deliberately tried to undermine the public’s understanding of the scientific consensus by promoting a few skeptics.”
In related news–Noted skeptic, Dr. Willie Soon of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, has failed to mention that he has received over $1.2 million from the fossil fuel industry. At least 11 papers he has published since 2008 omitted such a disclosure, and in at least eight of those cases, he appears to have violated ethical guidelines of the journals that published his work.
Leaked documents show that Dr. Soon, in correspondence with his corporate funders, described many of his scientific papers as “deliverables” that he completed in exchange for their money. He used the same term to describe testimony he prepared for Congress.

LikeLike
George Rebane

22 February 2015

JoeK 925am – There is no need for hundreds of scientists to “collaborate on such a vast hoax”, as I’ve pointed out numerous times. The vast majority of the included scientists are narrow specialists with not a clue on how their work fits into or impacts the general circulation models used to generate those dire scenarios.
But how is that ‘clarity’ substantiated “that organizations funded in part by the fossil fuel industry have deliberately tried to undermine the public’s understanding of the scientific consensus by promoting a few skeptics”?
The number of skeptics are anything but the “few” that climate alarmist tell us are the loners howling in the wilderness. Their ranks today are legion and growing. And please see the walk back that the last IPCC report has not included.
BTW, ‘deliverables’ is the standard term used to describe a project’s end-products, especially if they result from contracted work and/or are listed in a proposal. Apparently you are not familiar with the usage and feel you have unearthed a pejorative here. Not to worry, it is just the standard lexicon, especially in research and development.

LikeLike
fish

23 February 2015

Noted climatologist/astrophysicist Ben Emery rouses himself from his sickbed to enlighten the lumproletariat….
No Surprise. Actually the solar constant is just that, constant. I don’t have my notes in front of me but there are many factors in in measuring global warming/ climate change and only one of the major factoring measurements is not accounted for, emissions from carbon. When all other factors are measured the temperature increase is only a fraction of what we are experiencing. So the conclusion is the emissions of carbon account for the remaining increases. Of course there are compounding factors and they are accounted for in the models. I think a 10% increase in the solar constant takes hundreds of millions of years and maybe even a billion years.
So why are we seeing such a spike in the last century? The burning of fossil fuels and totally distorting the carbon cycle with our ever increasing global life of comfort and the pursuit of profit.
…and from the dimmer corner of your quaint little hamlet a freelance village idiot weighs in.
In related news–Noted skeptic, Dr. Willie Soon of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, has failed to mention that he has received over $1.2 million from the fossil fuel industry. At least 11 papers he has published since 2008 omitted such a disclosure, and in at least eight of those cases, he appears to have violated ethical guidelines of the journals that published his work.
Time to just get used to it JoKe…..even if we cut back our carbon emissions China and India will more than make up for us.
It hardly matters though you’re probably going to get your carbon tax eventually…..enjoy poverty…..I think it will suit you.

LikeLike
L

23 February 2015

JoKe, please instruct us on why the energy giants would prefer not to maximize the value of their reserves so as to keep gas and gasoline prices high? The environmentalists are very useful idiots in this respect and probably explains while big oil hands out so much money to the warmunist side, as opposed to the occasional tip in the jar for the skeptic side. L

LikeLike
Ben Emery

23 February 2015

Fish,
Recovering from my last surgery and thought I would pop onto the local food fight to see what is happening. Global Warming/ Climate Change is the most serious issue of the day but to try and talk solutions when all major and up/ coming governments are controlled by the unaccountable WTO, World Bank, IMF, and the dozens of Free Trade agreements makes talking solutions a waste of time if those solutions get in the way of profits.

LikeLike
Michael R. Kesti

24 February 2015

This morning, on his blog Sierra Foothills Report, the FUE reports that former Nevada County Superintendent of Schools, Terry McAteer, is under investigation by the Inyo County Grand Jury. In support of that story the FUE includes an image of The Inyo Register‘s report of the investigation. That report includes a picture of a vehicle with a caption that begins with the sentence, “The 2013 Ford Escape Titanium that the Inyo County Board of Education gave Superintendent of Schools permission to by [sic] for business purposes.”
So you suppose the FUE will ridicule The Inyo Register for its error in construction as he has repeatedly derided The Union for similar flaws?
I don’t either.

LikeLike
George Rebane

24 February 2015

MichaelK 904am – I suppose from that pinnacle of moral certitude it is easy to apply different strokes to different folks.

LikeLike
fish

24 February 2015

Posted by: Michael R. Kesti | 24 February 2015 at 09:04 AM
Ultimately jeffy sees himself as the “editor……I imagine right now he’s stuffing the electronic “memory hole” with his mistakes.
You should bill him for your services Michael….you seem a far more capable proofreader/editor than Nevada Citys professional wordsmith!

LikeLike
Michael R. Kesti

24 February 2015

fish 24Feb15 11:17 AM
Your comment is short two commas, one before “jeffy” (which, being a proper noun, should be capitalized) and another before “Michael”, is short a closing quote following “editor,” and twice includes inappropriate and improperly formed ellipses.
No charge this time, fish!

LikeLike
fish

24 February 2015

Your comment is short two commas, one before “jeffy” (which, being a proper noun, should be capitalized) and another before “Michael”, is short a closing quote following “editor,” and twice includes inappropriate and improperly formed ellipses.
You are good….
1) “jeffy” doesn’t merit capitalization. After all it’s jeffy.
2) is short a closing quote following “editor,” Yeah I saw that after I posted….bummer.
3) and twice includes inappropriate and improperly formed ellipses. Meant to substitute for pauses. An affectation.

LikeLike
fish

24 February 2015

CURSE THOSE FOUL PROFIT MONGERING PLANET RAPING CORPORATIONS THEY WILL BE THE DEATH OF US ALL!!!!!
By the way, did you know that the launch party for Dr Pachauri’s sustainable-growth romp was paid for by BP? Hold that thought.
http://www.steynonline.com/6826/fake-nobel-laureate-facing-sex-arrest-for
Mark Steyn must think it’s Christmas nearly every day recently.

LikeLike
Michael R. Kesti

24 February 2015

fish 24Feb15 01:57 PM
After my 1:24 I noticed that I had missed one and decided to see if you would call me on it.
You omitted an apostrophe in “Nevada Citys.”

LikeLike
fish

24 February 2015

After my 1:24 I noticed that I had missed one and decided to see if you would call me on it.
Nope….I bow before your grammar skilz!

LikeLike
Don Bessee

24 February 2015

Bag ban repeal ballot prop has qualified and the State bag ban is on hold to 11/16 for a vote. Kesti if I ever need a new secretary I will keep you in mind. lol

LikeLike
Michael R. Kesti

24 February 2015

Don Bessee 24Feb15 03:16 PM
Thanks, Don, but I doubt you could afford to hire me.
Note that initialisms are properly expressed in capital letters.
LOL, indeed!

LikeLike
George Rebane

24 February 2015

Well, now that we have ample evidence of his bona fides, I’d like to acknowledge and welcome RR’s very own Grammarian Laureate. Boys and girls, henceforth watch your Ps and Qs 😉

LikeLike
Don Bessee

24 February 2015

You get a cookie kresti.

LikeLike
Walt

24 February 2015

So.. We have a badge pack’n spell’n police now?
What gives? Thanks to LIB outcome based edumication,, close is good nuff.

LikeLike
Bill Tozer

24 February 2015

At least Fish knows how to type in cursive. I am impressed. Walt, no worries. The spelling police never stopped the Rolling Stones. “I ain’t got no satisfaction” includes a double negative, thus they got satisfaction. Either way, no one cared as the song soared to #1 in 1966? and is probably their greatest hit. Alas, people gave the Stones’ a thumbs up and the grammar police the one finger salute. Well, them music types get away with artistic license everyday. Yet, there is hope for us knuckledraggers which burns eternal in the breast of mankind. Like the old saying, “yesterday I could not spell contractor, today I r one.”

LikeLike
Walt

24 February 2015

“yesterday I could not spell contractor, today I r one.”
So you wound up at Holiday express last night? So who is the “contract” on?

LikeLike
Ben Emery

24 February 2015

Don,
And why do you want single use plastic bags back in circulation?
Did you know plastic leach PCB’s, which effect reproduction, disrupt endocrine system, and decrease the size of penises to name a few issues?

LikeLike
L

24 February 2015

Ben, you’ve only to stop “doing” plastic shopping bags to solve that last drawback. Are they that good?

LikeLike
Ben Emery

25 February 2015

Here you go L.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/dec/29/plastic-bags-pacific-waste-revulsion
“As the Guardian reported at the time: “Instead of finding some prelapsarian wilderness, she and a colleague were confronted with the horror of hundreds of albatrosses lying on the sand. The great birds’ stomachs had been split open by the heat and bits of plastic were spewing out between the feathers and the bones. All kinds of plastic – toys, shopping bags, asthma inhalers, pens, cigarette lighters, toothbrushes, combs, bottle tops. The birds had swallowed them and choked to death.”
Later, Hosking and her colleagues found humpback whales, seals and turtles, “all dead or dying from the plastic”, which rolled in on every tide.”

LikeLike
fish

25 February 2015

Hey?!? Question for the ardent democrats on the panel…..has crypto-republican Joe Biden infiltrated your ranks? Every time he opens his mouth he drives people into the arms of TEAM STUPID!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/black-history-biden-veep-calls-for-emancipation-of-peoples-wealth/article/2560680

LikeLike
fish

25 February 2015

Well of course she does……it would have made her first White House stay so much more pleasant!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/25/hillary-clinton-endorses-fccs-title-ii-designation-for-the-internet/

LikeLike
L

25 February 2015

Ben at 615a, As we drive west out of Tucson, I’m amazed at the huge number of discarded shopping bags with numbers decreasing the further from “civilization” we get. Still, they somehow don’t seem to increase in numbers over the years- probably sun and rain degrade them and probably some just blow deeper into the desert where they can’t be seen.
However, the bags themselves aren’t the culprits, it’s the lo grade morons who don’t dispose of them properly. Kinda like with guns, they aren’t the problem, people are.
Bonus question: What demographic is most likely to produce the largest number of litterers. Hint, the bag density is highest on the Res. L

LikeLike
Todd Juvinall

25 February 2015

I love to reuse the plastic bags here at my place. Cat crap gets put in them and tossed into the garbage. I could wrap it in paper but then more trees would have to be cut down. Well, maybe I’ll wrap it up in saran wrap and give it to Ben Emery for his organic garden. There, all better now.

LikeLike
George Rebane

25 February 2015

L 1003am – Surely you must be mistaken about “the bag density is highest on the Res.” How could the heritors of such impeccable genes, those that have always been at one and communed with nature, be accused of desecrating Gaya herself under the watchful eye of the Great Spirit. Unimaginable.

LikeLike
Walt

25 February 2015

OH Shit… Now someone has crapped on Mr Bill’s war path. He will be out for scalps to hang on his 20th century wigwam. You should know how he gets when Natives get “dissed”.
In the distant past, it was the ECO clan that led the push for plastic this and that.
SAVE THE TREES!!! ( remember that?) From the Big Mac containers to shopping bags.
“plastic was more friendly”. Now the 180. Back to paper..”Plastic bad!!!”
When we shopped, I went with “save a logger” when asked ” paper or plastic?”

LikeLike
Walt

25 February 2015

Well get ready for Ca to ask for even more handouts, and raise our taxes.
If this goes down, the money will have to come from somewhere. ( namely our pockets)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/25/california-lawmakers-push-to-repeal-welfare-queen-law/
Then of course, a few million illegals getting in on the game, since LIBS want to give them welfare too.
So Lefies,,, where is the money going to come from? DO tell… Another “tax the rich” scam?

LikeLike
Bill Tozer

25 February 2015

I would like to take this moment to say “Happy Birthday Fish”. 94 years young and still kicking.
https://www.facebook.com/TheRiverNEPA/photos/a.446237695389101.108790.444698605543010/962428040436728/?type=1&theater
As for my firewater drinking lazy ass litterbug peyote smoking brothers back home on the Rez, the Great Spirit tells me time to sharpen the tomahawk and scalping knife. Not for the honor of my people, but just for fun. Always prefer to put paleface hair pieces in plastic bags. Darn blood soaks throught the paper bags and….plop!….bigum mess on ground. How unsightly.
Talk about unsightly, them squaws in the Arizona and New Mexico put the ug in ugly. But they do indeed keep my wig wam.

LikeLike
Walt

25 February 2015

Called that one… “L” might want to shave his head.

LikeLike
fish

25 February 2015

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 25 February 2015 at 08:11 PM
I can assure you William that I don’t look nearly as good as the Fish in that photo!

LikeLike
Brad C.

26 February 2015

Problems associated with giving big corporate tax breaks in Nevada.
http://news.yahoo.com/reno-handle-challenges-economic-successes-120943236–business.html

LikeLike
fish

26 February 2015

This would make me very very happy! Delicious delicious Schadenfraude!
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/February-2015/Jesse-Sharkey-Election/

LikeLike
fish

26 February 2015

Posted by: Brad C. | 26 February 2015 at 08:28 AM
The wear and tear is noticeable, said Andrea Hughs-Baird, a 20-year Reno resident and mother of three. She says her children’s schools have fraying carpets, broken sinks and aging heating systems.
So what’s the prob?
The existing model is broken and much of it is going away! Ms Hughs-Baird will likely be educating one or two of her children at home via the internet (assuming the FCC doesn’t completely fuck it up over the next few years) and fraying carpets will no longer be a concern.

LikeLike
Brad C.

26 February 2015

L 1003am – nice racial innuendo. How about a link to this data?
You sure it is not Texans driving through the Navajo nation?
“Perhaps the most telling result of the study is that 52% of Texans either participated in, or condoned, littering behavior in the past three years. That means that more than one half of all Texas residents reported involvement in littering behavior, or being tolerant of the littering behavior of their peers.”
http://www.dontmesswithtexas.org/research/1998-Litter-Attitudes-and-Behaviors-Study_Fact-Sheet.php

LikeLike
George Rebane

26 February 2015

BradC 1229pm – Well there’s a stretch, Texans driving out to the western reaches of Tucson, AZ to wantonly deposit their litter on Indian reservations. Whouda thought?
But so we can penetrate any “racial innuendos” that L may have floated, let me be less ambiguous. There is no evidence that North American Indians were any more sensitive to the preservation of their environment than were the later settlers who arrived on these shores and spread across the continent. Granted that the Indians’ impact on the environment was lower than that of the successive waves of whites and Asians, but that was because they were a painfully backward race of people, both culturally and technically.
Because of their culture(s) they never figured out how to grow their populations because of their ruthless internal practices and traditions, and their constant internecine warfare over the millennia. Living on arguably the richest continent on God’s green earth, they never figured out the civilizational basics such as the wheel, smelting iron (useful metals), pack animals, and writing. And everything they made and consumed was of natural materials that either bio-degraded or reassumed their natural place in the scenery – and this was not because they rejected opportunities to advance in favor of environmental high mindedness. When encountered by explorers and settlers, they were more than 5,000 years behind humans in Europe and Asia.
Granted, that their conquerors did them a disservice by immediately putting them on the dole when their survivors demanded to continue living according to their old ways. But even with those disadvantages, today they exceed by far numbers that they could not achieve in the pristine practice of their own cultures.
(Their southern cousins were a bit more advanced in their technologies and therefore more impactive on their environments. But they also were culturally deprived through their incessant warfare with and enslavement of their neighbors as required by their religions and traditions. How else could 50 guys on horses knock over the biggest empire in the entire western hemisphere.)
And since all that correlates with ‘race’, you can put these observations down into your racist column. No innuendos implied or needed.

LikeLike
Walt

26 February 2015

OK,, here is a real winner.. Just how in hell do you steal a whole house?
http://kobi5.com/news/item/missing-house-in-klamath-falls.html#.VO-iXvnF_74
One big ass helicopter? ( but I’m sure someone would see that.)
Now… would that be covered by homeowners insurance?

LikeLike
Brad C.

26 February 2015

George 0123pm We don’t even know where the sockpuppet known as “L” got his info from, or which “rez” he was referring to.
If 50% of Texans are litterbugs, why couldn’t 50% of New Mexicans and Arizonans also be litterbugs. Most of the bags I saw last time I was out there were of the blue, Walmart variety.
Might want to blame the great floating bag gyre on working (or otherwise) poor, undereducated, Walmart shoppers who can’t afford a Waste Management subscription.
Or, could just be a case of poor landfill management practices. The bags might make it to the dump only to blow away before the cover fill could be placed.

LikeLike
George Rebane

26 February 2015

BradC 403pm – I do know L and where he lives. He is an astute and accurate observer of the human condition. His report indicated a differential density of plastic bags on the nearby Indian reservation in the Arizona desert. A lesson in inference – when a differential density is so indicated, it is highly unlikely that people even as nearby as Tucson, let alone Texas, would drive out there to create such differential density just out of spite. In short, to what end??
In the overview, my own experience corroborates L’s report. Have driven across many a reservation and noticed a marked increase in roadside detritus – everything from booze bottles to pieces of broken furniture. It’s a matter of culture.

LikeLike
Bill Tozer

01 March 2015

Doing it the Chicago way.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-chicago-rating-downgrade-could-end-swaps-deals-174532024–finance.html

LikeLike