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George Rebane

Data homogenization is not an objective scientific process.

Recreational marijuana will be legalized across the country over the next several years.  RR is on record as a proponent of judicious progress in this direction.  Nevada County’s economy already enjoys a major contribution from the illegal RMJ that various estimates put above the $100M range annually.  Legalization will drastically change the local RMJ production industry, but our county’s political and economic development leadership continues to ignore the existential contribution of RMJ to our economy.  A better approach would be to recognize NC’s role as a major RMJ producer, and plan for the coming changeover as California is about legalize RMJ production.  NC should create an environment which will benefit the local economy as RMJ moves into prime time so as to attract commercial growers that will produce the weed in legal grows that contribute zero nuisance to established developed areas and generate taxable revenue to the benefit of all.  In today’s Union George Boardman makes a good case (here) for such preparations.  (Russ Steele has another take here on the impact of RMJ legalization on Nevada County's economy.  I contend his assessment that NC cannot support large commercial RMJ grows and processing to replace the current 'mom & pop' illegal producers.)


Public pensions are not inviolate when a municipality declares Chapter 9 bankruptcy.  CALPERS has been arguing that funding such pensions must be done first, last, and always even if it means selling off every last asset belonging to a city.  People are finally beginning to recognize that almost all of such pension agreements were negotiated under some demonstrable presumption of fraud or gross incompetence, and therefore they are not as sacrosanct as the public service unions and their account managers like CALPERS have insisted.  Now in the case of Stockton’s bankruptcy, federal judge Christopher Klein has ruled in favor of providing Stockton (and by case law, other jurisdictions) relief so that they don’t have to sell their fire trucks and parks to fund fat pensions to public retirees.  In sum –

What all this means is that Calpers can’t stop cities from modifying pensions in bankruptcy. This has ramifications across the U.S. because unions are trying to make public pension benefits inviolable as a matter of constitutional law. If that view prevails, then politicians can make irresponsible deals to get elected that no future politicians can rescind even if they become unaffordable. (more here)  

The hushed up climate change debacle continues.  New evidence comes in almost daily about another discovery of doctored data and mangled models to make the political case that runaway manmade global warming is getting worse, and time for draconian policies needed to save mankind is running out.  Recently RR readers have been posting links (here and here) that cite foreign media reports picked up by bloggers that no US lamestream outlet will touch.  One of the most dangerous consequences of such fraudulent climate change promoting is the support it gives to the UN’s blatant promotion of Agenda21 (here).  And in Nevada County we continue denying both AGW fraud and the advance of A21.

The local hard left continues its ballistic trajectory to criticize The Union’s editorial policy and journalistic practices.  Our Designated Duty Reader of those outlets emailed me the recent blast from the Cosmic Critic and Monument to Morality who again takes publisher Hemig to task for running a “cesspool” of an op-ed page.  It seems that the latest infractions include not declaring a contributor’s affiliation to organizations like the local tea party, even if the submitted piece only reflects the writer’s personal opinion.  But the main complaints of the leftwing arise for the usual reasons that their writers’ opinion pieces build upon specious and unsupported arguments that are ludicrous on their face, and therefore easily refuted by people of opposite views and even political independents.

In 'The Dangerous Lie that 'Bush Lied'' Laurence Silberman points out that lamestream journalists have taken Bush2's post 9/11 pronouncements of Saddam's WMDs as deliberate lies to be revealed truth unexamined and inscribed in stone.  As an example, Silberman cites reporter Ron Fournier's assaults on Bush2's credibility.  (We note that some RR commenters are similarly afflicted.)  Mr. Silberman is a senior federal judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, and was co-chairman of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction.  He concludes –

The charge is dangerous because it can take on the air of historical fact—with potentially dire consequences. I am reminded of a similarly baseless accusation that helped the Nazis come to power in Germany: that the German army had not really lost World War I, that the soldiers instead had been “stabbed in the back” by politicians. … Sometime in the future, perhaps long after most of us are gone, an American president may need to rely publicly on intelligence reports to support military action. It would be tragic if, at such a critical moment, the president’s credibility were undermined by memories of a false charge peddled by the likes of Ron Fournier.

[10feb15 update]  Kudos to Heidi Hall who in her 10feb15 Union column – ‘High time for cannabis common sense’ – outlines her position on RMJ that is very similar to that long-promoted here on RR.

Kissinger explains Obama’s backpedaling on Iran to the Senate.  It is clear from the record that the west, led from behind by Obama, has quietly switched its strong initial policy (backed by UN resolutions) of preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapon capability, to one of managing the scope of Iran’s nuclear weapons development program.  Specifically, these dumbos are now trying to negotiate an agreement calling for detecting a “breakout period” of one year to Iran’s having a nuclear weapon.  This, of course, requires the deployment of a very intrusive inspection effort which Iran will oppose, and on which our lame duck will cave.  (more here)

Speaking of the lame duck, David Axelrod gives evidence that we also have a lame brain in the White House.  In his newly released memoir – Believer: My forty years in politics – Axelrod makes the case that Obama really does believe that his socialist policies calling for an ever bigger, more intrusive, and higher taxing government is good for America.  And here we thought the sumbich was doing all that to keep harvesting more Democrat votes.  But then again, we may have been right since Axelrod also reports that luminaries like Barbra Streisand advises Obama “to talk to people in simpler terms, for the Gruberesque reason: ‘I hate to say it, but people are stupid.’”

[13feb15 update]  Almost all longtime temperature records used in the current climate hysteria analyses and reporting have been subjected to what is known as 'data homogenization' (here).  This is an extremely subjective process involving substitution into the temperature record of variously interpolated or homogenized temperatures for the actual raw measured temperatures.  The interpolation process is the entry point of subjectivity since the neighboring temperature points may be selected on any arbitrary basis involving temporal, spatial, or other attributes chosen by the investigator.  And therefore, these attributes and identification of suitable 'neighbors' can be done to suit any given conclusion.  Homogenized data records need to be highly qualified before being used in any subsequent analyses like calculating regressions or determining trends.

[16sep15 update]  Sarin in Iraq.  What revoltin’ development this is to the ‘Bush2 lied’ progressives!  Is there no more equitable, inclusive, sensitive social justice left in the world.  The NYT, the Gray Lady herself, has the temerity to report (here) that Iraq was indeed full of Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction.  Enough even to covertly sell to the CIA over a multi-year period through its ‘Operation Avarice’.  Why did the NYT report this now?  I can’t believe that this is the first leak of Operation Avarice, and the story of why it has been suppressed for so long would be even of greater interest to me.

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141 responses to “Ruminations – 9feb15 (updated 16feb15)”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt and maybe Mr. Paul. It ain’t Shakedown Al you should watching. The Overr the Hill Gang’s true leader has mounted his high horse and a gunning after racism. First it was the Oscars and now little league. Racism rears its ugly head again. It’s everywhere and after his afternoon nap with his mistress and visiting his children in the pen, its time again for Jesse Jackson to ride into Dodge and lay down the law. Jesse is coming amd boy is he pissed.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jesse-jackson-race-factor-chicago-little-league-cheating-call/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 308pm – Your 2 and 3 are plausible possibilities to which I and many others have subscribed. I attribute no known culpability (keying on your use of “fed”) to the intelligence services when they dished up their analyses to western leaders that included Bush2. Were I to assign probabilities (beliefs) to those alternatives, I would go with 0.30 to #2 and 0.70 to #3, the latter due to reports of satellite photos showing long truck convoys headed for Syria in anticipation of the invasion, and the massive amounts of WMDs now found in Syria.

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  3. joe smith Avatar
    joe smith

    Beese 2/11 22:08
    “We have educated ourselves”. Not very well it seems. If you weren’t such an expert, you might learn a thing or two.

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  4. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Jsmith- Gov Brown just told the legislature he will veto any legalization bills is the latest in from sac. On the Daily Beast today they dissected how high times and huffpro spread the false story about pot tax refunds in CO. Comparing the landscape of the 70’s and 80’s to now is not relevant since so many states have decriminalized and adopted a form of mmj. The tired old refrain of the jails are full of pot only inmates is just plain false in CA or the Federal prisons. Can we actually talk about how we are going to go forward managing the issue in a way that protects kids?

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  5. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Don, clearly the “Just Say No,” campaign has failed, the zero-tolerance approach has failed, and the lock ’em up and throw away the key has failed to curb the war on drugs.
    Maybe it’s time for a SMARTER approach (not to be confused with the same old approach from SAM). There is a very informative pamphlet called, “Safety First, Talking to your Teens about Marijuana.” It’s available online at http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/safetyfirst.pdf.
    I suggest you read it and stop trying to muddy the waters by claiming the legalization leads to increased teen use when gov’t statistics show that teen use has remained stable or declined in states that legalize MMJ.

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  6. Walt Avatar

    Forget Prop 47? Jails have already been cleaned out of dopers,, uh minor offenders,
    Hell we can’t even keep major dealers behind bars. Mules are out in less than 48 hours.
    In CO.,, thugs are still busy robbing people (and yes some killings) who leave the pot shops. Dope theft is still alive and well in CO. That information is easy to find. ( If you care to look.)
    Still… No one has dared touch the employment angle. ( Nope,, just NOT going to go there.)
    The only people with money these days are those that are working. Maybe the number crunchers here came come up with a percentage of those who will risk their jobs for using “leagal” weed.
    I have alrady asked my boss what he would do if MJ became legal. Answer. ” Increase the frequency of random dug tests.” Those tests are cheap. Liability insurance isn’t.

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don, it’s a ‘coming whether we like it our not. Myself, I have smoked up more than the weight of a new Mercedes or two in my lifetime of them wacky tobaccy hoochie hoochie zigzag marijuana cigarettes. I just don’t smoke it no more, haven’t grown or smoke in pert’ near 25 years. It’s like telling young people to abstain from playing hide the salami.
    Personally, if I knew someone who was suffering bad I would let them grow a few marijuana cigarette plants on the back forty. I got sunshine, land, and no neighbors within hundreds of feet plus more. Or, I would grow some myself and give it away, except I don’t know a single person who smokes anymore and have no idea where to even get some seeds or starters of the marihuana hoochie hoochie zigzag cigarette plant.
    After watching my Dad wither away and other friends’ parents pass on after suffering, I sure wish I had thought about gietting them some grass. Didn’t even cross my mind.
    Don, I share your concerns about opening Pardoria’s Box, the can of worms, standing on the slippery slope, etc. I even Just Said No to Meadure S. Having a population of stoned out people acting like I used to cannot be good. But the train is coming and recreational hoochie hoochie Marihuana cigarettes be coming down the tracks. I just accept it. I don’t have to smoke it and I don’t. I don’t have to get in on the fun and I don’t plan to. I got not control what others do and never have.
    On the rare occasion when I pick up a hitchhiker and they ask me if I would like a toke off of the marihuana hoochie hoochie bull frog blue ass glue cigarette, I always say “No thank you, I have had enough.”
    Advantage Smith.

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar

    Don, and anyone else,
    In your view what would the economic consequences be if Nevada County drafted a Yuba County type ordinance and it was effectively enforced. If you can include schools, retail, real estate Tax revenue and anything else you might think of. I know it will be a guestimate but give it a go. The questions will be asked because the business community and County and municipal government agencies will need to know for future planning.

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  9. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Walt 12Feb15 01:57 PM
    Perhaps the reason nobody will get to the employment angle is that it is irrelevant. Yes, there will probably be employers that continue to test for marijuana and dismiss those who fail those tests. That is a matter for those employers and employees, however, and should in no way prevent legalization.
    Further, I believe that legalization will eventually lead to case law that requires proof of intoxication while working rather than use in the last month or so in order for the users of a legal substance to be liable for that use.

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  10. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Paul, I think the counties that are prohibiting (or severely restricting) grows are going to make it that much more beneficial for the counties that are more 420 friendly.
    In Oregon, one city legalized dispensaries, and the city about a mile away prohibited dispensaries. How hard is it to drive a mile to get your meds? In Colorado, Colorado Springs prohibited MJ stores. But a few miles away in Manitou it is allowed. I guess Manitou is going to make out. Now Las Vegas is thinking about getting into the act. I guess if Cali does not legalize, Vegas will make out.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    I can see the outcry already Kesti, ” But pot is legal!! I demand to keep my job! I know I signed a “drug use policy agreement”! That just ain’t right! I got RIGHTS!!” ( and so does the employer)
    There are just so many “bottom feeder” jobs. ( employers who don’t give a shit)
    Count on those good paying jobs to keep out the riff raff. ( or at least give it a good try)
    So.. If it was your business, ( you sign the paychecks, pay the insurance, etc.) you want to hire and take responsibility for a “rec” MJ user? Because now it’s your reputation as an “upstanding” business that on the line. If an accident happens, and MJ is found to be used,(on the job or not) it’s your problem. Good luck getting the insurance co. to pay up.
    A little dose of reality to chew on.

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  12. Mary Ann Avatar
    Mary Ann

    The one thing that I found to be interesting in Yuba County, is that property (as I am involved with the Real Estate Title Business) was commissioned to decipher the real estate data by several members of the Yuba County Realtor’s Group which was a study on several different areas, including determining what the results of the open-ended ordinance were from a financial standpoint.
    This study took the sales data before Yuba County enacted their recently banned ordinance, looking at property values for 5-40 acre parcels in Yuba County.
    It determined that there was an average sales value of 17.4% lower, than for the same category property in Nevada County (this study did not differentiate on improvements or any other issues, but it did divide and average the properties with residences and the unimproved properties as not to skew this data). Nevada County properties are also rising in value as there has been a 2.7% increase in values for 2014 verses 2013.
    This study determined that sales price per acre was $11,267 per acre in Yuba County, while Nevada County was $14,345.
    Properties in Yuba County typically were on the market for 117 days, and got 14.7% less than asking price, while Nevada County properties were on the market for 47 days, and got 3.4% less than asking price
    After the more liberal MMJ ordinance was passed in Yuba County, property values went up dramatically, as there was a almost instant increase in value of $7,945 per acre, and properties that were listed, went from 117 days to 2 days, with most properties being sold as “pocket listings” (where the property never is listed on the market. Properties that did go onto the MLS, were typically sold for 28.4% more than asking price.
    This is a dramatic change and because of these increased property values, I calculated that Yuba County will be collecting an additional $7.21 million dollars in property tax revenue.
    This was huge change for Yuba County revenue-wise and I am very surprised that in 2012-2013 the had $10.622 million while in 2013-2014 they had income of $11.847 million which is a 10.3% increase in property tax revenue or $1.2 million in additional income, and if you consider that Yuba County stated that it was costing an additional $1 million in enforcement costs it seems to be a complete trade off. http://www.co.yuba.ca.us/departments/cao/
    Nevada County had a drop in property tax income after ordinance 2349 was inacted of 3.7% verses the time frame before the 2349 was inacted.

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  13. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Mary Ann, I wondered what the property sales and value differences were. Thanks for the info.
    If Yuba has reversed itself and does not allow outdoor MJ growing, will there be a “bust” following the “boom” in real estate sales and prices? Will those with mortgages on properties that were slated for MJ production be walking away from their loans (if they did not pay in cash)?

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, my employer won’t change a lick. If I am sitting in a parking lot or stop sign and get rear ended, I am immediately taken in for a piss test at a medical facility. Don’t matter who is at fault, I am escorted to the lab instantly and relieved of duties (with pay) until the results are hand delivered by Fed Express. If dirty, I just bought the farm, lose the house, and even this I-pad gizmo. Fired, no appeal. That is the rules and that ain’t going to change.
    There was a co-worker working farther north who drank a beer somewhere in a styrofoam cup. He threw the cup in the back of the work vehicle. A few days later he got into a accident and tested clean as a baby’s behind. However, they found that styrofoam cup with maybe a drop of dried brew still in it and was fired on the spot. Kiss that job goodbye.
    I used to take the beer cans left in my humble abode when the kids came by and take them to a poor lady along with my empty water jugs and soda pop cans. I bag them up, put them in the furthers compartment in back of the truck, and drop them off every two weeks or so. She uses that recycle money for gas and she really appreciates it. Now, I deliver the cans and bottles to her in my own personal vehicle. Gas costs me more than what the bag gets her, but that’s ok. I like employment so I play by the rules and sleep better at night.
    I don’t drink booze or toke the wacky zigzag marihuana Indica cigarettes no more. My drug of choice is coffee, cigs, and tweaking libhole’s’ noses on occasion.
    Walt, no company is going to change their zero tolerance policy just because it is legal to drink like an Irishman or smoke like a chimney.
    All potential employees are tested. It ain’t random and are given several days notice. If one moves up the ladder into management, they are tested. Car accident? You get tested. If someone is acting like an one legged man in a forest fire or crazier than two rats in a sock, two from management must observe the behavior and they may agree or disagree on a test. It’s all fair and written down and no surprises.
    Walt, you and I and some dear readers know full well some misfortunates that will not even apply for a job at a place that tests and pre-screens applicants. That tells me their non-addictive marihuana hoochie hoochie zigzag cigarettes are more important to them than feeding and clothing their children and providing for the needs of their loved ones.
    The courts have said in at least one case that a employee with a doctor’s script cannot be compelled to accommodate the worker under the influence of MMJ. The employer must try to accommodate the stoned worker if another position is available that allows one to be under the influence. But if there is no such position, see ya Charlie. Don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

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  15. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Walt 12Feb15 04:40 PM
    I didn’t say employers don’t have rights, Walt. The point, that you apparently prefer to ignore and instead rant about riff raff and bottom feeders, is that those rights are not a valid reason for criminalization. No, I would not want my employees intoxicated while on the clock. What employees do on their own time, however, especially if what they do is legal, is none of employers’ business. Is this not the deal you have with your employer? I’m sure that he doesn’t want you on the job while under the influence of alcohol but that doesn’t mean you cannot drink on your own time, does it?

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  16. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Bill, tell the guy I am sorry for tossing my party cup in the back of the guy’s truck. But it looked so trashy I figured he wouldn’t mind. Don’t want to be a litterbug.
    Seriously, the guy should sue. The cup could be anyone’s. Did they find his DNA on the cup?

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    He said the cup was his, but you first sentence was funny. Maybe if his truck was not so anal retentive clean, they would have never found it. BTW, if one is not in the company vehicle, no drug test. There are a lot of unsolved mysterious dings on the vehicles left in the parking lot. It’s a bloody mystery I tell ya. Hoodlums and vandals are running amok. Hooligans and Zoombies must arise out of the dead of night. That is why I always keep an old shovel in the truck. Not work related, but in case of Zoombies. Or snow.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Well a dooby on Fri. night will make ya’ test dirty by the next Thursday.
    Good luck proving you weren’t stoned anytime in between. ( HAY!,, he was on his off time.. Right?) As I said before. CO. workers getting fired for weed is up 50%. A statistic that our pro dope side doesn’t care to publicize or acknowledge, So who is going to buy all that legal weed?
    Take Las Vegas, or Reno for instance. Gambling is legal,, but the majority of the residents don’t. ( I wonder why?) Their economy is tourist based. Hence all the bells and whistles to drag people in.
    The Bay folks won’t be coming here. They have plenty of grows of their own.
    Since smoking is illegal in ALL establishments, and in MANY parts of town, just where are the “tourists” going to fire up?
    Being intoxicated in public will still be illegal,, and weed still will fall into that category. So start printing up those good ol’ bumbper stickers. Welcome to Nevada Co. Come on a weed vacation,, and leave on probation.
    Damn those pesky consequences. Any stoners think that far ahead on those details?
    Funny how dope fogs the mind about that… But HAY!! It’s legal.. We might as well start stocking up on extra ambulances to stage on 49 and 20. If you think driving while stoned decreases accidents, your sadly mistaken. ( Scrapped plenty of stoners off the asphalt in my days of fire and rescue.)

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  19. Walt Avatar

    From the Scooper.. See what smoking weed can do?
    http://www.ncscooper.com/alta-sierra-man-swears-he-spotted-bigfoot/
    ” after I dropped the kids off, and smoked some fine North San Juan Ridge Girl Scout Cookie,” continued Mr. Bradenshauer, ” I drove back to Lawrence and Norlene and took several pictures of this creature. It’s totally not a bear or a 9/11 terrorist.”
    Count on even more Bigfoot and UFO sightings when the Cheech and Chong act is passed.

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt and other dear readers. Let’s stop the BS about tax revenue or other window dressings. People want to be able to injest Marihuana legally. Period. That is the whole shebang. And people want to grow it, smoke it, and possess it without thinking about being raided.
    Real estate values, tax revenues, incarceration rates, and employment zero tolerance polices are side shows. Legalized pot for any reason is the gist of the matter. That is what partakers want. No medical cards, no sweating like a stuffed pig when the police car is in your rear view mirror because of an oz in the glovebox.
    It is still too friggin early to tell if retail recreational marijuana is manna from heaven for the state’s treasuries. I wish I could see maybe 7-10 years of data on States like CO or WA, before CA legalizes weed for any reason, but like Indian cadinos, states will be legalizing them all over the place before we can truly say it’s good, bad, or indifferent.
    Here is a link about growing pains, nothing more. Still can’t draw definitive conclusions.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/12/colorado-s-pot-revenue-goes-up-in-smoke.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Weed is now legal in Alaska ( for the past week or so) Now to see who things go there, other than plenty of stoned, patch raiding Moose.
    As for the pro legalize crew,, be careful what ya’ wish for. Your tune will change when your own youngster comes home from school stoned to no end. Then tell yourself what a great idea it was.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, my friend. The points brought up are good valid points indeed in case you did not catch my drift. Legal or not, we will still be scraping young kids faces from the pavement, hopefully not more of them. Who knows? Perhaps the 2016 Prop will go down in flames.
    WOW!! BREAKING NEWS just came in over the wire. Forget quibbling about pot, this is unbelievable. WOW!!
    https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1423800677./10152807071460914/?type=3&theater

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  23. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Walt continues to make Chicken Little “what if” comments about what might happen if marijuana is legalized. He ignores the facts that we have coming in from Colorado and Washington. Yes, it’s only been a short while to form our judgements, but that is better than baseless speculation.
    Again Walt, traffic fatalites are DOWN since marijuana was legalized in Colorado. Violent crime is DOWN – inclding homocides. Employers will be free to determine their hiring and firing policies. Teens use rates have DECLINED. Indeed, countries with liberal drug policies have fewer teens using drugs than countries like ours with harsh penalties for using same.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Perhaps CO traffic fatalities are down because of Global Warming melting icy roads and people staying home in deep depression after the Broncos lost to the Patriots. (Sorry Ms. Smith, I just could not resist). Plus Steamboat Willy Springs and Aspen are picking up a lot of business from skiers who normally hit the slopes in Tahoe…..again, because of the CA drought caused by Global Frying like a Frito.
    Paper or plastic? Decisions, decisions. I sure hope Walt is wrong.about teen fatalities. They have enough risk just by being inexperienced and now texting while driving. Adding pot or booze to the mix is a lethal combination, always has been , albeit stoned drivers usually drive way to slow and cause traffic backups.
    As one smarter than I posts occasionally on these pages, “Correlation does not always equate to Causation”

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    More on “potential” traffic fatalities. Where is MADD when we need them? Homeland Security=Politics over Public Safety.
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/homeland-security-border-patrol-stop/2015/02/13/id/624787/

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  26. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Bill, is it politics or budgets driving the policy? Border Patrol agents are not traffic cops.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yes, Mr. Brad, I agree Border Patrol agents are not traffic cops. They follow orders from pencil pushing political appointees thousands of miles away of where the rubber meets the road. Boy, I would sure feel much safer now if I lived down there and was driving the kids to school. Thank you Homeland Security. Thanks a rock.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GokBgQ1LgDI

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  28. Patricia Smith Avatar

    Something to pause and consider. The very same folks that are clamoring for zero-tolerance for driving under the influence of marijuana are pushing for the same standards for alcohol. Imagine never being able to have a couple of brewskis at a bar while watching a sports event or having a glass of wine at dinner in a restaurant before driving home. Why should the majority of us who imbibe responsibly be punished for the irresponsible minority? Besides, do drinking limits stop problem drinkers from imbibing too much?

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  29. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “I sure hope Walt is wrong.about teen fatalities. They have enough risk just by being inexperienced and now texting while driving. Adding pot or booze to the mix is a lethal combination, always has been ”
    Actually the most dangerous combination is other teens in the car. Every time you add a teen passenger the chances for an auto accident double due to distractions.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Patricia, I think 2 drinks in an hour puts most people over the legal blood alcohol limit for driving impaired if they left that moment and got pulled over. Much voluminous research and studies on the effects of alcohol on one’s motor skills, reaction time, and judgement produced a consensus for the blood alcohol standards.
    The blood alcohol limit and no driving under the influence was a national campaign through many years to get drunks off the road. Heck, back in the day I got a slap on the wrists and a small fine. The public outcry, the courts,and law enforcement All got between this popular (at the time) mandate. In a way, MADD was so successful in getting laws changed from sea to shining they actually worked themselves out of a job. Why they don’t declare victory and laiyoff their high paid big wigs I have not a clue.
    The trap most people fall into is your “a glass of wine” with dinner or a “couple of brewskis” over the length of a sporting event. No problem there. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I said “I only had a couple.” Couple of pitchers to get started or a few before I walked into the bar, lol. But I digress.
    I could use the same argument about everybody having to stop when a school bus puts on the red flashers. Just one kid got killed, just one of the millions of students when somebody drove around the school bus and hit the kid. Now every driver in CA has to stop when the red flashers go on. Are the responsible drivers now being punished because of one bad apple? You bet your sweet bippey. Is it the law? You bet. Do I like it? It don’t matter.
    Do drinking laws stop those from guzzling too much? Well, for some, yep. For some one time in handcuffs is enough for them to never drink and drive again as long as they live. Never stopped me, but for most, yep. Sometimes a kick in the rear is one step forward. That is why we have taxis and designated drivers. Taxis and DDs are those who absolutely do not want to stop at a glass or wine or a couple of brewskis and for those who have low tolerance for the bedding at Wayne C Brown Correctional Facility. Their coffee could be better, IMHO.

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    Re drinking and driving. I wonder what it would cost a drinking establishment to provide regular van service home for their customers. The drinker simply leaves his car there and picks it up the next day (via same van service?). Also, such approaches to safety would be much easier to implement if government made it easy to run jitney services. And also, such ‘safe drinkers transport’ services could become a business unto itself, and hired regularly by several bars, parties,…, drinking events to drive their inebriated attendees home. Just a thought.

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    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 14 February 2015 at 11:12 AM
    I did that as a matter of course for several years when i owned a restaurant and bat George. It was an interesting experiment.
    It was amazingly cost effective: I hired the local cab company on certain nights and said, ‘drive my patrons home at $5 a carload (it was the 90’s) within the city limits and I will keep you busy half the night…you can still take your regular fares and double you money.’ I built loyalty, my patrons lived to celebrate another day, and the cabbie made out like a bandit.
    But the problem I ran into was the other bar owners on the street, who protested that setting this precedent was anti-competitive. If I did it they would HAVE to do it. I was cutting into their profits. Word got out, go to Steve’s for your last calls and you get a free ride home. I was warned by 2 or 3 competitors that I was stealing their customers and that there would be consequences…of course I knew that, I was in business to steal their customers…I provided a better product at lower risk…silly me.
    It is still a good business opportunity…perhaps it is called Uber, Lyft; it would be a great niche market for a hearty 20 something.

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    Brad C.

    Uber, anyone?

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    StevenF 1128am – Good report. Yes, I thought of Uber and Lyft, but not sure that in the NC/GV area there would be critical mass to attract those franchises. But your experience initiating such a service is valuable and, IMHO, bears re-examination. I agree with you that your competitors were out of line in their implied threats to you and your business, after all having such good ideas in extending customer services is the sum and stuff of capitalism.
    Do you think that NC/GV watering holes and restaurants could go in together and establish a co-op van service along the lines that I described in my 1112am (and you successfully implemented some form of it)? Now I wasn’t thinking of it as a free service, but if it’s sponsored as co-op, maybe it could be gratis (or prepaid through a small bump in drink prices). The point being that if a group of businesses did this and publicized it, then the onus of ‘stealing customers’ could not even enter the discussion. Thoughts?

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    Steven Frisch

    Re: George Rebane | 14 February 2015 at 11:51 AM
    I did kind of try to ‘co-op’ it George; I asked my fellow business owners to support such an effort jointly for major events like New Years Eve, Halloween, the Super Bowl, 4th of July, etc. No dice….they were afraid that supporting a ride service would imply liability which I thought was kind of ridiculous.
    My experience was that subsidizing it myself was definitely worth it on certain dates….I had more customers and the increase in volume more than offset the cost…and the cabbie made great tips…tipsy people either overtip or stiff you. Frankly I think in a town like GV/NC or Truckee a person could create this niche and become a trusted friend, much like a bartender.
    One problem was that it was when people had one or two too many that they were most receptive…people who were drunk were much less receptive…and getting to their car in the morning is a must.
    Some cities have been experimenting with free shuttle service on nights when people go big, Truckee did one last New Years Eve and the next morning…it would be interesting to look at the numbers in places where this has been tried over a period of several years.

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  36. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Oh, and I do use Uber for this when I am in the City exercising my God given right to have ‘San Francisco values’ 🙂

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  37. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Look what the rat dragged in. Steve, if paying for rides home worked so well stealing away customers, why the payroll witholding tax fraud and bankruptcy? ‘Frisco values?
    Not getting drunk really reduces DUI incidence… it’s worked so far for me. How about you, Steve?

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 141pm – Now I thought we had a productive conversation going here and everyone was behaving themselves. We all have put burrs under each others blankets, but perhaps we can ignore them when opportunity presents itself and welcome the return of civility?

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    Gregory

    Brad C, Uber’s great but we apparently just don’t have the population density they want to see.
    George, I think Nevada County restaurants and pubs should probably attend to being the best restaurant or pub they can and leave it to others to handle transportation problems, and not burden patrons who don’t DWI with the costs of those who do.

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    Gregory 219pm – point well taken, but this is not a perfect world and the DUI problem persists. Do you see any harm in establishments joining to provide such a service that would increase the likelihood that more tipsy people would use their own cars to go home?

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    Gregory

    George, Frisch’s “San Francisco values” comment here was obviously intended to futher a snotty comment of his over at Crabb’s on the thread by the same name; I have no doubt it was intended as a dig at just one of his favored targets.
    Any transportation paid for by restaurants and pubs will be subsidized by patrons who don’t need it, and could be expected to drive those folks away, both by prices and the clientèle it attracts. That it hasn’t become popular probably attests to the inefficiency of it.
    Uber is great for getting home after barhopping, and extending the range between bar hops.

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    Steven Frisch

    Greg Goodnight, you prove every day what a class act you are. No one asked you to chime in and no one was talking to you.
    No ‘extension’ of anything at Bob’s place–the term has been going around a while I think–it was a bit of a self deprecating joke, you boob.
    And yes, I once had a DUI and owed a lot of money in taxes, but guess what asshole, it is not fraud if you don’t hide it and I paid back every single red cent over the next 8 years. Kind of like a responsible adult, unlike some people we know.
    Plus, I ain’t running for saint and never claimed to be one….and like almost every one else in Nevada County don’t give a shit what you think.
    By the way, what kind of psuedo-libertarian nonsense is that statement that, “transportation..paid for by the restaurant will be subsidized by patrons who don’t need it.”
    If you were really a free market guy you would realize that as a business owner one can ‘subsidize’ whatever the hell they want to; a guy buys dinner I get to spend the money as I please, that is what a free market means.
    But then I would not expect you to be consistent when you have a hard on for attacking people personally. Any excuse will do.

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    Steven Frisch

    Oh yeah Goodnight, you want to point to the “further a snotty comment of his over at Crabb’s on the thread by the same name”
    http://www.rlcrabb.com/culture-2/san-francisco-values/#comments
    Never talked to you there, never referenced you there, never joined a portion of the thread you were on, and intentionally avoided you. Seems to me Bob and I had a nice conversation over there and you brought your bull over here because you know Bob would have thrown you out for doing it there.
    You are one crazy, mean, nasty nice of work.

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  44. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    You are one crazy, mean, nasty piece of work.

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Bartender picks up phone, calls cab company. Problem solved.

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Steve, it ain’t a “pseudo-libertarian” concept, it’s economics… I’m going to guess your accountant deducted the cost of those transportation ‘gifts’ just as any other business expense.
    Once again you threw the first punch and then complain your target hit back… if you didn’t give a s*** you’d not have thrown another tantrum.
    It may not be what you were charged with wasn’t called a tax fraud but it’s my understanding that’s the catch all term used by the IRS:
    http://www.irs.gov/uac/Employment-Tax-Evasion-Criminal-Investigation-%28CI%29
    Think maybe you aren’t the best source of economic advice for restauranteurs?

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    Gregory

    “FYI–a fun little list of nicknames–I may start calling SF “The Golden City” just to bug people”, chronologically appearing on the Values thread after I’d made it clear I thought “The City” was pretentious. The chances you weren’t picking a target then are vanishingly small, stevie.
    I once got a lecture from a newbie to the area for calling ‘Frisco by another Herb Caen label… Baghdad by the Bay. They were so primed to dress down someone for calling it by the internationally known diminutive that they didn’t recognize an alternate coined by the same guy who made the F word uncool, for a time. It does appear it’s coming back.

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  48. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    I was having a discussion with George because I thought the question was interesting, you jumped in…end of story. I did not “throw first punch.”
    By the way, if you read the list of nicknames I included “the City” and “The Golden City” were clearly two different nicknames with two different origins.
    You are a certified Grade A asshole Mr. Goodnight.

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  49. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Yes Steve, I jumped into your public conversation because you were making poor sense, economically speaking, had shown poor money management skills in the past and obviously had a bee under your bonnet over The City and “San Francisco values”, both of which you managed to mention out of the blue here:
    “Oh, and I do use Uber for this when I am in the City exercising my God given right to have ‘San Francisco values’ :)”

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  50. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Took me over 6 years to pay my back taxes. I even once stopped payment on a check to the IRS. They displayed little sense of humor over that caper, but got over it in a nice civil way, pun intended. They sure are willing to work with ya since Bill Clinton indeed came up with the kinder easier IRS. They even called me personally just to see how I was doing…..before getting down to dollars and cents, The Franshice Tax Board…..well, that is a whole different ballgame. I always tell folks you can mess with the IRS for awhile, but them State collectors are some real pain in the butts and a bunch of certified meanies.
    But, that is not even scratching the surface of my indiscretions. I could only wish at one time that being called a tax fraud was the worse thing someone could pin on me. Ha!, that would have been a vast improvement. Moving up in the world.
    Yes, it’s all about me and nobody asked me to butt in. Hey, you can’t shame a recovering sociopath…or did they call me a physcopath….can’t remember, but them arrogant smug head hunter doctors sure got into a heated debate which label was the more accurate concerning Moi. Dummies. They got so involved in their pissing match that they did not notice the jar was ajar and I made my escape. Wish I could have seen their faces.
    As they say, he who has the last laugh laughs best. Carry on. I got some hand digging to do……getting ready to plant more pretty flowers as Spring be a coming soon.

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