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George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 21 January 2015.]

Last night President Obama gave a well-delivered yet futile State of the Union speech.  It contained a list of shibboleths of the kind that the Democrats have long pilloried congressional Republicans during the last six years.  All of the president’s new “middle class economics” proposals targeted the tastes of true progressives and their low-information constituencies.  None have a snowball’s chance in hell of gaining traction in a Republican congress, especially since the President confirmed that last November’s historic election results have yet to reach the White House.

The main initiative that the president floated was another massive tax increase for his favorite populist target – America’s “rich” who are seen luxuriating in their filthy lucre ignominiously grabbed from the pockets of the poor and the middle class.  They must now be made to give a good portion of it back, and the federal government is just the agent to decide who pays and who gets how much of it.


The impact on the economy?  Not to worry, because all correct thinkers know that the efforts of businesses and individuals are not affected by how much of what they earn they get to keep.  Want proof? Just look at the booming 50s when the top tax rate on earnings was 90%, and even the 31% rate under President HW Bush.  But pay no attention to the actual revenues that these tax rates brought into the Treasury.  (more here)

However, it has been that no matter the tax policy in force, federal revenues have hovered in the 17 to 19% of GDP range for decades.  The only thing higher taxes affected was the state of our economy as measured by the likes of GDP growth, median earnings, consumer confidence, and unemployment.  And the acid test for this progressive proposition has always been ‘If tax rates don’t matter, why stop?  Let’s keep raising taxes until the government is fully funded.’  Now at this point, some little voice deep inside even the most devout liberal will call out, ‘Don’t do it, the Laffer curve really works.’ (more here)

Here in California there is another theory similar to the president’s on how local economies can be improved.  This local wisdom holds that a community’s economic fortunes depend not on economic factors – such as taxes, fees, regulations, codes, development costs, available labor pool – but on the hue of a community’s politics.  This wisdom teaches that conservative politics inhibit entrepreneurship, investing, and job creation, while liberal politics do exactly the opposite to induce economic growth.  But to sell such policies, even to a left-leaning electorate, they must first be coated with a pleasant shade of purple.

All this comes home to us in Nevada County as we search for ways to encourage our faltering local economy.  Our county’s leftwing pundits tell us we are doing poorly because we do not ‘play ball’ with Sacramento, but are instead ‘thumbing our noses’ at the state’s liberal power brokers by electing too many conservatives.  According to this view, businesses that consider relocating to Nevada County are sensitive to such political obstinacy, and will therefore choose to go elsewhere.  Many have even been driven as far as Nevada and Texas.

There’s more to be said about what we heard last night and what we are being told daily about how our earnings should be redistributed.  For now let me leave you with some words from Benjamin Franklin who said, “When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”  If we listen carefully, we may already hear the trumpets of a new age approaching.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on georgerebane.com where the addended transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  President Obama’s speech was just the plain vanilla wrapper hiding some pretty dreadful details given that you are one of the country’s wealth producers.   On the economy the man did his best to run up the ‘Mission Accomplished!’  The ‘facts’ presented were positioned to fool all but the most skeptical who have been paying attention these past six years.  Associated Press – no conservative outfit by any measure – did a quick fact check.  Here are some findings.

Job growth still lags 1.7M full time workers from the start of the recession.  The job growth has been mostly in lower paying and part time jobs.  Tepid wage growth has been about 2% annually, compared to better managed recoveries that have typically seen 3.5 to 4% in recession recoveries.  Median household income is still 4.5% lower than when the recession began.

Obama’s promised free community college attendance is really an unfunded mandate on the states which have to pay a quarter of the tuitions.  There is no greater guarantee under this freebie that students will be making better decisions about studying job qualifying skills or going on to complete a four year degree.  But it does guarantee a new government bureaucracy and a $60B bill over ten years for taxpayers.  The stealth gotcha going along with this bamboozle is the gutting of the current 529 program that lets families set aside money for their kids and grandkids education.  The earnings from these funds have passed on to the kids tax-free, making it possible for families to self-fund the school costs of their offspring.  Obama intends to start taxing these earnings at the increased capital gains rate – talk about being pernicious or butt stupid, take your pick. (more here and here)

And Obama proposes to increase the death tax to 60% and change the cost basis of inherited assets to the original value paid by the deceased.  Now these are added taxes on accrued wealth on which taxes have already been paid.  The harm that such a government wealth grab will do, not only to beneficiaries, but to earners who are working to assemble an estate for their progeny. (more here)

Then we have the attempt to cover up a disastrous foreign policy by claiming that the abject failures in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan (I could go on) have been successes.  We have screwed over our allies and ignored advances of militant Islam on three continents.  The Mission Accomplished banner should now read ‘Mission Amended’ as we plan to send ever more military into the fray in the attempt to recover what we already won with great sacrifice and treasure.  (Can anyone name just ONE foreign policy accomplishment of Hillary Clinton that would justify her using ‘Secretary of State’ on her resume?)

Finally, the Big Lie about climate change and “hottest years on record” was unbelievable.  Controllable AGW is still the biggest single global lie being swallowed by the carelessly ignorant and the terminally stupid.  Holman Jenkins summarizes the latest here.

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102 responses to “More Pabulum for the Devoutly Ignorant”

  1. Walt Avatar

    Well now.. The usual gang that can’t wait to sing the praises of the words of Dear Leader have yet to get the drum circle thump’n.

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  2. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    There was plenty that disturbed me about Obama’s SOTU speech but one that has stuck with me today is his, “…bold new plan to lower the cost of community college — to zero.” It is, of course, the price, rather than the cost, that he proposes to subsidize. I find it disturbing, but not at all surprising, that the president fails to find the difference sufficiently significant to use the correct term.
    While on the topic of subsidized community college I’ll address a couple of my concerns. First, such a program is likely to further reduce the quality of education provided by community colleges. If their subsidized customers must maintain a ‘C’ or better average you can be certain that the schools will keep the money coming in by ensuring that everybody “earns” a ‘C’ or better regardless of actual performance. This will reduce, perhaps eliminate, the motivation for students to study and for teachers to teach and the result cannot be good for anybody.
    Second is that such a program is likely to increase the price of community college as the schools will have no reason to contain prices when their customers need only to apply for admission.
    Another disturbing aspect of Obama’s speech was the topic of minimum wage. He said, “And to everyone in this Congress who still refuses to raise the minimum wage, I say this: If you truly believe you could work full-time and support a family on less than $15,000 a year, go try it.” I believe that if the best one can do is $15K per year then he has no business making a family but the president (and too many Americans) seems to have abandoned the notion of personal responsibility.
    Finally, I couldn’t help but find that many of the problems for which Obama proposed socialistic solutions are the result of governments’ mistakes. I believe that many of those problems relate to the continually decreasing value of the U.S. dollar due to deficit spending, fiat money, and the practices of the Federal Reserve Bank. Those solutions are therefore at best band-aids that will do nothing to solve the real problems that need to be solved in order to restore this country to the greatness it once enjoyed.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    MichaelK 752pm – Well said; agreed.

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  4. Russ Steele Avatar

    MichaelK @7:52PM
    I agree with George, well said. Excellent analysis.

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  5. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I’m not sure where the power to Federalize community colleges is in the Constitution, but besides that, a real problem with community colleges now is the low standards for entry… there are bright and hardworking students who enter CC for their first two years of college due to tight finances, but the sad fact is that large numbers enrolling in CC’s aren’t attempting college level work and a minority ever manage to quality for transfer into 4 year institutions.
    Remedial prealgebra at Sierra College isn’t college math, it’s a repeat of what you didn’t grok the first time, in the 7th grade. And yes, that is taught at Sierra College.

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  6. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Can’t imagine KVMR would air this on their news hour. What a blow to their credibility.

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  7. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Gee lefty jeffy could that be because you imagine that instead you should be on KVMR and have real followers like Dr. R.?

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  8. Walt Avatar

    I can’t believe people even give Jeffy the time of day. No one really cares what you think.
    Maybe that’s why you got shown the door. Just like “O” should get the heave hoe.
    One thing is for sure,, he would make a great used car salesman. Then again, he failed at that too. GM cost the taxpayers plenty.
    And back to playing Santa with the “free stuff” line of crap. Health care costs more than ever. More people than ever are on the dole… Yup, things are SO much better. uh,,,, right,,?

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  9. Walt Avatar

    Well surprise,, surprise… Another staffer plant.
    “The woman whose story of economic recovery was showcased by President Barack Obama in his State of the Union address is a former Democratic campaign staffer and has been used by Obama for political events in the past.
    Rebekah Erler has been presented by the White House as a woman who was discovered by the president after she wrote to him last March about her economic hardships. She was showcased in the speech as proof that middle class Americans are coming forward to say that Obama’s policies are working.”

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  10. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Jeff Pelline 21Jan15 09:40 PM
    I very much disagree, Jeff.
    It is not at all uncommon for broadcast outlets to include guest opinion pieces as part of their news programming. George’s contributions to KVMR are always articulate, well considered, and thought provoking. What is more, given that KVMR is dominated by the expression of liberal positions, allowing a few minutes each week for a conservative to contribute speaks volumes in support of their credibility.
    If the roles were reversed and George threw a stone such you have here tonight I imagine that you would ban him from further commenting, as you have proven is your way of dealing with criticism, but that I cannot imagine will be George’s reaction.
    I don’t expect that you will agree with or even understand any of this, though, as you so frequently prove just how small you actually are.

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Scoopy has a solid aversion to opinions contrary to his own.
    Checking, Scoopy’s piece on SOTU was truly pabulum, with obligatory fawning over Obama’s new clothes (imagine, actually focusing on Middle Class economics!) and dumping on the Speaker for the color of his skin and imagining he’s drinking heavily. Oh, and these gems:
    “If Hillary runs, she will win” and,
    “The tepid response of the hard right to Obama’s plan to provide free community college education to Americans. This, of course, would undermine their attempts to co-opt the uneducated”
    Just call lower division college work grades 13 and 14. We’re not far off from it.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ah, BubbaBubba is just missing his bowl of delicious shark fin soup with the appropriate “one glass of wine” to satisfy the discriminating pallet. Glad to finally realize that Controlfreak Frisco Values are actually purple. And all this time I thought they were blue. Silly me. Learn something new everyday.
    IMHO, community colleges are practically free nowadays anyway. If you cannot afford the laughable low cost of the classes, the college steps in a pays for it. Students can get their books via on-line downloads and save some dough. The biggest cost is always paying the rent, whether going to community college or not.
    Hey, if Jr. is given the choice of being shown the door or live at home and go to the local community college to take non-credit pre-college math and English, what do you think little Jack or Jill will do? Plus they can stay on Mommie and Daddy’s health insurance until they are 26 and finish their free community courses, which could be around the same time.
    Community colleges are a great way to take some college course freshmen and sophomore perquisites required for attending a more expensive 4 year college. I have 7 nieces and nephews that went that route, 5 graduating from Cal in 2 years there, and 2 graduating from a private 4 year university in 2 years, after taking community college courses through high school. The 5 that went to Cal all graduated before turning 20, but that is the exception rather than the rule.
    For most students who attend community college (who drop out or fail to move up), I feel we should bring back the more accurate term “Junior College”.
    Nothing is free. The price is free, but the cost is plenty. Like being given free tickets to a Kings game. Believe me, I no longer accept the free tickets to Kings games, Raider Games, or concerts at Arco or Sleep Train my employer passes out like candy. Time you pay for the gas and parking, buy some food and souveinirs for the kids, you are out a couple hundred smackers easy. The price is free, the cost is plenty.
    Free junior college (already ridiculously low) sounds costly for somebody that actually foots the bill. Ah, them rich will pay for it, along with everything under the sun.
    Time to head off to workie.

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  13. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Let Rebane’s commentary run on KVMR along with all the other commentary but not during the news hour.

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  14. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Oh, and as for the “representation” that people like McClintock and LaMalfa have brought our community, it’s little to none. Unless you consider a government shutdown that hurts tourism businesses in Yosemite or a letter of “support” for broadband that scolds ARRA as being constructive. This little group of ideologues worships the ideology but it has brought little to our community. The “lift the drawbridge” mindset has gotten us nowhere. The good news is that folks like Brian Dahle and some of our county “electeds” are indeed reaching out, further marginalizing the group that comments here.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Down Fido, it ia OK. Peace brother. Brian Dahle is farther to the right than me and Pelline’s fascination with him is odd. But who knows what makes a liberal’s mind tick?
    I am opposed to federalizing any more of our education system so naturally I will oppose Obama’s “idea”. Obama is truly the leftwingnut of our time and his policies have not worked. America will survive his attempts to “remake” it because the people here are always figuring out how to get around the stupid rules and taxes and regulations the fo-gooders toss at them.
    KVMR has a few minutes a week of a conservative and all the rest, even the “news” hour is liberal. Pelline is the most recent version of the 1964 though police. And since it is ironic that all of the people other than Pelline on this blog are blocked on his blog yet George allows him to spew here, the readers can get a taste of a true liberal North Korean style anti speech. Too funny.

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  16. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Government shutdown? Yesterday’s lettuce…Republicans slayed Democrats in the mid-term. They love McClintock down there; he won election by a huge margin near Yosemite. Kim has been down there all week fielding McClintock’s praise. Hey, I listen to KVMR (or KMVR as Pelline would write). It is very liberal, and George provides a point of view that many who listen to KVMR would not otherwise hear. Kudos to Paul for providing balance and promoting expression of all views. Very American ideals…as opposed to advocating infringement on free speech and censorship like Pelline. Go back to looking for typos in The Union. It is what you are best at.

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  17. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Barry,
    Maybe it’s time to figure out a way to get Truckee to support McClintock. He lost there during the mid-terms (again). County supervisors, including conservatives, supported his opponent. And McClintock was not named chairman of the Natural Resources Committee; he was only named to head a subcommittee. He sounds like the loneliest man in D.C., just like you when it comes to launching any kind of political career beyond an “appointment” to a park board. LOL.

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Let me see. Hmmm. Republicans have the most seats in majority since the 1920’s. Our locals reps are almost all R’s and our Congressmen get important national committee assignments. Yep we are just losing I guess. Regarding Truckee. It has been a bastion of liberals and democrats for many many years. I would say Tom’s almost half the few votes there is a real plus.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Oh, and it usually means things are really slow on Pelline’s blog so he comes here to have a little human interaction. What a hoot!

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  20. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Todd,
    Your “grip and grin” photos with LaMalfa have colored your perspective. We are “purple” now. LOL.

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    No you are the only one who is purple. We are all conservatives and we are in charge of the governance at most levels. Get a grip on yourself.

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  22. Russ Steele Avatar

    Tom McClintock is a purple people eater, with huge wins in his district. Truckee is just a pimple in his numbers.
    http://youtu.be/Rx47qrH1GRs

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  23. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Truckee represents half our county. Some of the conservative supes supported McClintock’s opponent. Heidi Hall also registered 49 percent of the vote in our county compared with 51 percent for LaMalfa. Nope we’re “purple.”

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Things are very slow at Pelline’s tar pit, the culmination of years of his Cartmanesque “screw you guys, I’m going home” mentality. It must deeply be wounding to Scoopy that, after all the water he carried for Moore, McClintock got an even higher percentage of the vote in November (60%) than he did in the primary (56%). Just goes to show that when you have the choice between a Republican and a Republican, the Republican will win every time.
    Jeff, Moore was thumped. Get over it. McClintock doesn’t have to suck up to your friends in Truckee in order to please the district as a whole; in fact, he has something of a mandate to be a Republican. Full disclosure, I didn’t vote for McC before we were gerrymandered out of that district but was pleased the other candidate didn’t win.
    Republicans are fully capable of snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory, but the “by really getting thumped in the last elections we now have the GOP right where we want them” meme is delusional, especially if the AGW log continues slow it’s roll. With AGW and Obamacare unraveling, the GOP could really score if they can put a stake through the undead Romney campaign and choose a GOP governor to lead the ticket and put a junior senator with a strong libertarian streak in for VP, we might have a RINO libertarian for president in 10 years. A path, not a bet I’d place at the moment.

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  25. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Gregory,
    No, we’re purple. Proposition 23 got squashed. Your extremist ideology is irrelevant — in our county and in our state.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_23_(2010)

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  26. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Like how the FUE changed the subject. The post is about the “tax and spend” progressive socialist. Pelline changes the subject to McClintock. We were talking about Yosemite; an argument that he was clearly losing. So he changed the subject to Truckee. Ahhh…the glory of a “rhetoric” degree from Cal, yet still fired from The Union. Fellas, ’tis better to ignore his droppings and stay on task. In a week, nobody will remember the SOTU, and we will be talking about why the President vetoed the Keystone Jobs bill…

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  27. joe smith Avatar
    joe smith

    Pugsli must be waiting for his medicine to take. Probably pounding out a retort by “Windy” and hoping he doesn’t reject himself for not using a full name like he requires from all the other “real” contributors to his blog . . . or at least those few people he hasn’t black listed for not carrying his water.

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  28. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Barry,
    Whenever you lose ground in an argument, you get temperamental. Your “home” is on this blog, but you obviously do not feel feel at home in my native California. Riding into town on McClintock’s coattails (or trying to) was a miserable strategy for you from the get-go. Square peg, meet round hole! You need to chill out at the Post Ranch Inn with some California cuisine. LOL.

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    Like clockwork, the voices of the far left continue efforts to silence ideas with which they cannot compete in the public forum. Mr Pelline has been at odds with my ideas ever since the FUE, while still employed, cast me out from the comment streams of The Union. Ostensibly it was for posting a link to a relevant commentary on a blog that Russ Steele and I shared at the time.
    Since that time he has railed against my public voice as a columnist for The Union after his precipitous departure (to him it was clear sign that the newspaper was going downhill). He doubled down on his attacks when I was invited to do a commentary on KVMR. He found it unbelievable that an otherwise politically sound broadcast outlet would countenance the likes of me in their programming lineup. In the process he rallied his likeminded readership to join his vituperations.
    This campaign, some of it recorded on these pages, has continued for the entire life of RR, including the five years that I have had the pleasure of being on KVMR. (To diminish my ‘projects load’, I did resign as a Union columnist at the end of 2012. http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/12/administrivia-taking-leave-of-the-union.html )
    Mr Pelline belongs to a very scary cohort of the Left that believes neither in liberty nor free speech. These people subscribe to and intend to implement a very draconian social order should they come to dominance. An objective of RR is to highlight this cohort and engage with their members to illuminate their ideas and their broader belief system since they will never explicitly expose the latter.
    What I find remarkable is that Mr Pelline continues to call himself an experienced, even “pioneering”? journalist when he critiques KVMR for including my commentary in one of its news programs. That format was pioneered on radio decades ago and picked up by TV’s nightly news programs during its ‘Golden Age’ – e.g. Walter Cronkite regularly featured commentaries from senior CBS commentators. Today such programming is common place on both radio and TV. It calls to question whether Mr Pelline has really had the twenty plus years of experience in journalism, or perhaps he is mistaking it for one year of experience that has been repeated twenty plus times.
    However, in the end that makes no never mind. RR continues to welcome the (pseudo?) civil expressions of his views on these pages.

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  30. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    “The Flat Earth Society” has spoken. LOL.

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  31. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    What a bizzare set of non-sequiturs you have there, Jeff. Liberal on social issues, conservative on fiscal issues and believing the Constitution means what it says has never been “extremist”.
    If you’re again trying to say my views on Global Warming are extremist political views, they aren’t. It’s purely on the science and the evidence. It’s amazing how many hard left politicos who never took a real science class in their university lives became scientists by proxy when the hard left legislators in Norway voted the IPCC the Peace Prize.
    Prop 23 wasn’t one of mine, though California would have been better off had it passed, albeit with a ticking time bomb of postponed confiscatory fuel taxes that would have to be defused eventually.
    Jeff, less than half of the professional meteorologists at the AMS (the ones with degrees, not the certified weather readers) think CO2 is a big cause of warming. They actually got asked. And the physicist chosen by the American Physical Society to review the APS climate statement is also now a real skeptic, writing recently, “We often hear that there is a “scientific consensus” about climate change. But as far as the computer models go, there isn’t a useful consensus at the level of detail relevant to assessing human influences”.
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-science-is-not-settled-1411143565
    Here’s measured-by-satellite-temps beyond the reach of the elves at NASA GISS (formerly led by “coal trains of death” James Hansen, now led by the so-called RealClimate’s leader, Gavin Schmidt) in black, and the 90% confidence level temps forecast by the IPCC models in yellow. You decide.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Notice Jeff, with degrees in Rhetoric and Journalism, calls the folks with multiple degrees in the physical sciences “The Flat Earth Society”.
    What an ignoranimus, as Bugs would say. Jeff, you were so intent on learning how to write you forgot to learn anything that’s worth writing about.

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  33. Walt Avatar

    Jeffy is a full fledged member of a cult. ” The true believers” ( chicken little society)
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/21/mit-climate-scientist-global-warming-believers-a-cult/
    Jeffy. I have an extra hardhat I can give you. Those rotton apples sure make a mess when they fall from the tree.

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  34. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Notice Greg, with physical science degrees that you STILL don’t get global warming.

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  35. fish Avatar
    fish

    I checked the Nevada Seismological – NSL ShakeMap Archive….no significant activity this morning or last night! So It would appear that it is only LOL and not ROFLOL in your Sierra Foothills this morning!

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar

    Here’s Romneys view on global warming
    “Mitt Romney says one of the biggest challenges facing the country is climate change and that global solutions are needed to combat it.
    In a speech to an investment management conference Wednesday night in Salt Lake City, the Republican nominee for president in 2012 said that more needs to be done to deal with poverty in America. He told about 3,000 people that the education system needs help too, and that teacher pay should be higher.”
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/01/21/romney-calls-climate-change-big-challenge-for-us-says-it-needs-global-solutions/

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  37. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    This blog always turns to insults when it runs out of “intelligent” dialogue.

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 22 January 2015 at 10:27 AM
    No jeffy….he gets “it” just fine…..Greg just chooses to argue the point from a scientific perspective instead of arguing from a political perspective as you and the Grant Whore do!
    In reality it ain’t happening…..politically though you proglodyte nitwits still desperately need the tax revenue from CO2 monetization.
    See how simple that was!
    Koch Industries Covert Political Instigator (KOCH1285648) Signing off
    -message terminated-
    PS: Did you know that the internet….well rumor has it……that it’s changing the way we communicate. Surprised you didn’t know that?!?
    ….and as always LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OL!

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I did, Jeff, your argumentum ad verecundiam is showing.
    I actually believe the basic IPCC line until March 2007 when I read several seminal papers (yes, peer reviewed in legitimate journals you are probably incapable of reading with comprehension) that collectively shot down the AGW balloon as being very leaky. Since then the science has continuted to solidify behind the aerosol/cloud/GCR link.
    While I generally don’t bother with Breitbart, the interview with Lindzen linked by Walt is well worth reading.

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  40. Walt Avatar

    I call your “global warming” are raise with “new ice age” http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1130_051130_ice_age.html
    Don’t like that?
    http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/new-data-backs-ice-age-prediction/
    And some from the LIBS,,
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/solar-lull-little-ice-age-sun-scientists_n_4645248.html
    And scientists say,,,
    http://notrickszone.com/2014/05/10/flurry-of-scientists-recent-peer-reviewed-papers-warning-of-approaching-little-ice-age/#sthash.ySIz5afm.dpbs
    Yup,, so much for “AGW”
    The scam is falling apart like a house of cards. Ya,, Jeffy,, that “science is settled”.

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  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 January 2015 at 10:39 AM
    Excellent Paul! Two more reasons not to vote for Romney!

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    This blog always turns to insults when it runs out of “intelligent” dialogue.
    Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 22 January 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Oh do stop whining jeffy……it’s not dignified!

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, Romney doesn’t need a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing. Distilled, Romney was saying he could make money with Global Warming, and he still thinks he can win some votes with it in a triangulation for the middle scheme.
    Higher teacher pay is an excellent idea. I’d suggest an immediate `10% raise across the board, and generous cost of living increases, for any K-12 teacher whose SAT M+V was over 1100. No increases for the rest, until they can actually document an above average SAT for college graduates.

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    I have a post at The Next Grand Minimum that everyone might want to read about what we know about the climate. It is some questions posted by citizen scientist Willis Eschenbach who is a prolific poster on climate issues at Watts Up With That. Willis has posted a number questions; what we do not know now, or know in the future, with a list of his most important questions. For those of you who are not regular WUWT reader I have posted Willis questions for you thoughts and comments HERE.

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    Gregory

    Russ, while Eschenbach isn’t stupid, and sometimes writes pieces that ring true, a scientist, even a citizen scientist, is stretching the truth too far.
    http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/10/who-is-willis-eschenbach.html
    PopTech is better known as the lister of 1300+ (ooops, make that 1350+) peer reviewed papers that prove Pelline is a poopyhead.
    http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

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    Matt Ridley, former Science Editor at the Economist, who is a lukewarmer, on why the the polarisation of the climate debate has gone too far on his blog the Rational Optimist
    I was not always a lukewarmer. When I first started writing about the threat of global warming more than 26 years ago, as science editor ofThe Economist, I thought it was a genuinely dangerous threat. Like, for instance, Margaret Thatcher, I accepted the predictions being made at the time that we would see warming of a third or a half a degree (Centigrade) a decade, perhaps more, and that this would have devastating consequences.
    Gradually, however, I changed my mind. The failure of the atmosphere to warm anywhere near as rapidly as predicted was a big reason: there has been less than half a degree of global warming in four decades — and it has slowed down, not speeded up. Increases in malaria, refugees, heatwaves, storms, droughts and floods have not materialised to anything like the predicted extent, if at all. Sea level has risen but at a very slow rate — about a foot per century.
    Also, I soon realised that all the mathematical models predicting rapid warming assume big amplifying feedbacks in the atmosphere, mainly from water vapour; carbon dioxide is merely the primer, responsible for about a third of the predicted warming. When this penny dropped, so did my confidence in predictions of future alarm: the amplifiers are highly uncertain.
    Another thing that gave me pause was that I went back and looked at the history of past predictions of ecological apocalypse from my youth – population explosion, oil exhaustion, elephant extinction, rainforest loss, acid rain, the ozone layer, desertification, nuclear winter, the running out of resources, pandemics, falling sperm counts, cancerous pesticide pollution and so forth.
    There was a consistent pattern of exaggeration, followed by damp squibs: in not a single case was the problem as bad as had been widely predicted by leading scientists. That does not make every new prediction of apocalypse necessarily wrong, of course, but it should encourage scepticism.
    What sealed my apostasy from climate alarm was the extraordinary history of the famous “hockey stick” graph, which purported to show that today’s temperatures were higher and changing faster than at any time in the past thousand years. That graph genuinely shocked me when I first saw it and, briefly in the early 2000s, it persuaded me to abandon my growing doubts about dangerous climate change and return to the “alarmed” camp.
    Then I began to read the work of two Canadian researchers, Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick. They and others have shown, as confirmed by the National Academy of Sciences in the United States, that the hockey stick graph, and others like it, are heavily reliant on dubious sets of tree rings and use inappropriate statistical filters that exaggerate any 20th-century upturns.
    What shocked me more was the scientific establishment’s reaction to this: it tried to pretend that nothing was wrong. And then a flood of emails was leaked in 2009 showing some climate scientists apparently scheming to withhold data, prevent papers being published, get journal editors sacked and evade freedom-of-information requests, much as sceptics had been alleging. That was when I began to re-examine everything I had been told about climate change and, the more I looked, the flakier the prediction of rapid warming seemed.
    The introduction and the rest of the blog post can be found HERE.

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    Gregory@11:26AM
    I agree Willis can sometime stretch science to it’s limits, but I did think his questions were interesting to consider.

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    Gregory

    Russ, while Ridley’s PhD in zoology is in more of a science than is carpentry, he’s still not someone I’d turn to for insights into atmospheric physics.
    Regarding his last paragraph, it has been written that men go mad in groups but regain their sanity one by one. Global warming is one of those madness phases, expect Pelline to be among the last to stop convulsing.

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    The Daily Caller today, with an article originally published in the India Times
    Scientists Fear Another ‘Little Ice Age’ Is On The Way
    Shrinivas Aundhkar, director of India’s Mahatma Gandhi Mission at the Centre for Astronomy and Space Technology, said declining amounts of sunspots being observed in the last two solar cycles could mean a “mini ice age-like situation” is around the corner.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/21/scientists-fear-another-little-ice-age-is-on-the-way/
    Why is a quiet sun important? A quiet sun lets more cosmic rays reach the earth, thus more clouds form, which cools the planet. It only takes a 10% increase in clouds to produce the next mini ice age.

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