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George Rebane

HecklerVetoFor years RR has documented the sad retreat of our fundamental rights and liberties, the withdrawal of which has not caused many an eyebrow to be raised among the country’s gruberized hosts.  Instead, it has given rise to celebrations of every newly minted political correctness by our neighbors on the Left – for an enlightened society is a society mandated, monitored, and moderated.

The latest of these celebrate the advent of what has become known as the ‘heckler’s veto’.  This is where a protest – no matter its size, source, or legitimacy – can shut down free speech and cause exercises of the First Amendment to be reclassified as “mechanisms of subordination”.  This, in the eyes of the Left, removes any such protested speech from under the protective umbrella of said amendment.

In the recent past we have seen hecklers’ vetoes shut down entrepreneur Peter Thiel’s speech in Berkeley, invited commencement speeches by Condoleezza Rice and Christine Lagarde, and (seatbelts please) the ban on wearing American flag T-shirts in an American school on Cinco de Mayo “to avert violence”.  The list can be extended indefinitely, but you get the idea.

Other initiatives are in the works such as Muslims colonizing western countries working through their Organization of the Islamic Conference to pass laws that prohibit the “defamation of religion” and “any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination”.  On the secular side China has successfully squelched the participation of their dreaded Falun Gong – a religious society proscribed in China – in holiday observances and exhibitions within these United States.

Starting back in 1989 with the fatwa calling for the murder of Salman Rushdie (for writing The Satanic Verses), we have seen a progressive growth of such hecklers’ vetoes that most recently gave us North Korea’s attempted censoring of Sony’s movie ‘The Interview’.   To my mind the greatest victim of this scourging of the First Amendment has been the abrogation of free speech on the campuses of America’s colleges and universities that are run amok by their leftwing administrations and professoriates.  And sadly, when we listen to our indoctrinated young emerging from government schools, there is much more of that to come as we recall that great nations, impervious to outside assault, have instead fallen from within.  (More here.  Image by David Klein from the 30dec14 WSJ.)

[update]  From this post’s comment stream with contributions on both sides of the ‘who suppresses free speech’ issue, I have noticed that the main point which I and David Klein want to emphasize seems to have been either completely missed, or is simply not accessible to some readers.  So let me be more explicit.  The protesting of something by speaking out against it is does not satisfy the definition of ‘heckler’s veto’.  For example groups or event speakers railing against abortion clinics or gun rights has nothing to do with such a veto, simply because the target of the speech – operation of the clinics or private gun ownership – is not impeded by the protesting speech.  But if such protest or threat of protest suppresses (or effectively vetoes) someone’s ongoing or planned expression of free speech, then that is a de facto ‘heckler’s veto’.  In other words, to be a heckler’s veto such heckling must make the targeted speech impossible or induce authorities to shut it down and/or prevent its future expression.

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73 responses to “Happy ‘Heckler’s Veto’ for 2015 (updated)”

  1. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    How you can label this as a left problem is beyond me. In the 1990’s I was forced to remove a Stanford hat at a bar/ dance club in Palo Alto because the owners were trying to cut down on gang violence, was that a left policy or an administrative/ executive policy? Same goes for some of your examples. Just because you disagree with something that doesn’t automatically make it left.
    In the Bush administration we were herded into free speech zones and detained if we left the zone with our speech. I was detained several times during that time in CA by authorities.
    Here is one example of right wing free speech squashing, which lost in a court case and the couple received $80,000.
    Secret Service and White House Charged with Violating Free Speech Rights in ACLU Lawsuit
    https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/secret-service-and-white-house-charged-violating-free-speech-rights-aclu-lawsuit
    Here is another one where the couple had a “No Blood For Oil” bumper sticker who were refused to see there President because the security didn’t like the bumper sticker.
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/12/scotus.free.speech/

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ben Emery, your links have to do with individual instances not the same as the widespread issues of PC speech containment George has pointed out. You were apparently mistaken for a gangbanger at the bar and the owner there has every right to boot you out under his ownership rights. I am sure if you wore the shirt in class your professor would praise you and make you the class special.
    Regarding the Secret Service. They have to protect the President and when they feel uncomfortable with some nuts hanging around they take care of it. I would expect you would agree, don’t you?
    Regarding the liberals/lefties like yourself squelching free speech. It happens every day on college campuses. The libs on many campuses would follow the “conservatives” placing their newspapers and flyers and steal them to burn them. This was a common thing for many years. Also, Ann Coulter was chased off of the podium at some colleges and never given the “right” to make her speech. That happens to Condi Rice, and many others.)but Columbia invited the nut from Iran) Hell, you libs won’t let a valedictorian say “Jesus” in a speech at graduation! So, cry the blues all you want about the right but it is the right that is the group protecting free speech wjile your ilk throttles it.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 719am – Thank you again for the very revealing viewpoint of the Left. To you and yours the initiatives about speech restrictions, those that ONLY the Left enforces daily across the land, are completely invisible. For you there literally exists no evidence that the repression of the First Amendment is an asymmetrically held ideological tenet.
    And yes, security services under all administrations have used various profiling means to limit personal access to protected officials by people obviously opposed to their public policies. How much of that is legal is the proper purview of the courts. We shall soon see some remarkable crime statistics start coming out of NYC unless they are suppressed, but that is another matter.
    But the examples you cite are numerically so rare as to be humorous to the thousands of Left introduced, interpreted (e.g. taught in schools), and enforced restrictions on free speech that all Americans must navigate in their daily round.

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  4. Joe Smith Avatar
    Joe Smith

    Must agree with Ben. Westboro Baptist church drowning out memorial services for dead soldiers returning from Iraq. Pro-Life demonstration outside of abortion centers that include intense heckling of women. We could go on all day. One man’s heckler is another’s voice of free speech.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeS 812am – You are not following the argument of this post, and confuse the various expressions of free speech with its outright suppression. And yes indeed, with such gross misunderstanding you “could go on all day” citing irrelevant examples.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Joe Smith, you are not understanding the reality here. The Baptist Church people are “Exercising” free speech (I find them repugnant personally). The abortion clinics “hecklers” do not exist. The US Supreme Court ruled the “free speech” of those opposed to abortion does not allow authorities to restrict their “talking” to women as they pass on the street. Your ilk banned that! So, again we on the right want more speech and your ilk less. Very simple.

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  7. Joe Smith Avatar
    Joe Smith

    Todd, George-
    I understand exactly the reality here. I took it for granted you would understand the drift of my comment. Both Westboro and abortion hecklers have been muzzled. We could go on all day.

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  8. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    I gave very specific examples of free speech being trampled. You mention again schools but there is no evidence that it is either left or right with these policies. Most likely they are like my hat example, a policy that they believe will reduce violence or division within their schools. Another personal example, I was suspended from Jr High for wearing a legitimate company and logo shirt “Sex Wax”, it is used on surf boards. I started surfing around 10 years old but a shirt with Coca Cola across it is alright. Can you comment on the absence of true left issues such as worker rights and extreme left positions of communism in our public schools? Also laws such as the Communist Control Act and embarrassing era of Joseph McCarthy. These have implications that reverberate throughout the country and are still being felt today.
    I am 100% on board that our first amendment rights are being violated but attributing it to the left is ludicrous. Power or authority does not recognize left or right it only recognizes power and oppression.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 31 December 2014 at 07:19 AM
    I find it fascinating how everyone interprets this issue! If a private business tells you you can’t wear your hat because they think the color is leading to violence (fights in the club I assume….if they were worried about gunplay it would by my suggestion that you find a new place in which to socialize) in the place that’s just a dress code issue…..no one is stopping you from expressing a political opinion. Further, I don’t know what junior high school you went to but I recall seeing plenty of Zogs shirts on California campuses with no negative repercussions!
    Conversely, I agree completely with your thought if that George the Lessers security detail herds people into chain link cages or has people arrested because they are wearing shirts that upset the boy then perhaps he should make his appearance via video link! His safety and delicate sensibilities shouldn’t trump the right to free expression!
    To Georges larger point though….the left is far more proficient at whining and tantruming people into silence….what with their complaints about “trigger warnings”, “micro aggressions” and hate speech! Ultimately this is a far more insidious form of censorship!

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    Gentlemen – the test of who actually is “trampling free speech rights” is simple (especially in the universities); just propose removing any such speech restrictions and see who stands in opposition.
    But I’m afraid what this discussion illustrates, and properly so, is that the recent research into the clinical discovery of how the Left and Right brains are different in their structure and function is an existential reality. Each side thinks using their own logics, observables, and interpretations of the past. Shibboleths like ‘you can have your own opinions but not your own facts’ are useless here, simply because we do indeed synthesize ‘our own facts’ even when looking at the same dataset.
    But the most damaging aspect of all this, viz attempting to live under one system of governance, is that both sides have their own unique way of assessing the rational coherence of a set of belief tenets. Each side claims their beliefs to form a coherent set, although few on the Left will ever disclose the tenets of their credo so that all may see them. (For years I have invited people of the Left to offer their credo such as the one published on RR. For obvious reasons there have never been any takers. And I started this quest years ago with my colleagues when I was a university professor in southern California).
    Regarding all this, I again refer you to the work of the late and celebrated Princeton psychologist Julian Jaynes.

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar

    Yeah Ben
    Thiw blogs scope of discussion is pretty much focused on “we good, they bad” level of conversation. Pretty boring actually. “God in Science was a welcome change but we’re back to the same ol……

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    I guess that given your displeasure at being asked to remove your hat that this type of protest is equally offensive?
    A Delaware mom is taking issue with Target’s new ads for its Annie-inspired clothing line.
    According to Yahoo! Parenting, L’Sean Rinique Shelton was faced with some difficult questions after her 8-year-old biracial daughter saw an ad featuring a young white model wearing Annie’s signature red dress. “She saw the ad and said to me, ‘That’s not what Annie looks like. How come the new black Annie isn’t good enough? Does that mean I’m not good enough?’” Shelton told Yahoo! Parenting.
    Although Shelton was able to quell her daughter’s uncertainties, she began to question Target’s seemingly singular portrayal of Annie and decided to write a petition Dec. 29 demanding a removal of the in-store ads and an apology to the film’s star, Quvenzhane Wallis.
    “In the current stench of racism and division amongst Americans, why would Target single-handedly disrespect Quvenzhane Wallis and add more pain to injury as it relates to race relations?” she began. “Your recent Annie ads and in-store displays depicts a misleading depiction of the movie as it shows a Caucasion [sic] young lady opposed to the star of the film — Quvenzhane Wallis. Though the model is quite professional, she does not speak to the relevance of the movie or main character. When the original Annie came out, everything was about Aileen Quinn or a character/person that emulated her … why not now Target? If you can show it online, show it in ALL of your stores with multiple signage with different girls not one!”
    In its online look book, which was published in October, there are girls of varying ethnicity modeling the Annie-inspired designs, but according to Shelton and fellow petitioners, the in-store ads didn’t feature any African-American models even though the star of the new film is African-American herself.
    On Tuesday, Target issued the following response: “At Target, we appreciate the opportunity to hear from our guests. We’re proud of our Annie for Target collection, which was inspired by the recently released remake of the family classic and designed by the film’s costume designer…With regard to the marketing of the collection, girls from a variety of backgrounds were featured within the campaign, reflecting that anyone can embody the spirit and character of Annie.
    “As for the involvement of Quvenzhane Wallis, we had conversations with her team about being in the campaign, but ultimately it did not come to fruition. Fortunately, we had the pleasure of working with Ms. Wallis a number of times, including appearances at Target’s sales meeting in September and a launch event in New York City in November. We had a great experience working with Ms. Wallis and appreciate her efforts in promoting this collection.”
    Shelton’s petition has gathered more than 7,000 signatures on Change.org so far.

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Thiw blogs scope of discussion is pretty much focused on “we good, they bad” level of conversation. Pretty boring actually. “God in Science was a welcome change but we’re back to the same ol……
    I don’t know Paul….you almost got a “you racist…..we not racist” tangent started a couple of days ago!

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  14. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    What you are failing to realize it the free speech of the left is just as much suppressed as any free speech of the right.
    The difference is the left generally uses Political Correctness or guilt (ground up) to squash free speech and in my own experience the right uses government and infiltration of legislative bodies (top down) to do so.
    I don’t think Rush Limbaugh should continue to receive permission to use public airwaves to promote bigotry and hate, you guys claim that is me trying to take his free speech away. It is not. I am trying to use our public airwaves for a public good, bigotry and hate speech is not a public good. If he wants to stand on the corner and scream his insane position, more power to him. Therefore I am not suppressing his free speech but rather limiting his ability to use public airwaves to amplify that speech.
    On the other hand when I am detained for actually standing on the corner voicing my opinions that is a direct violation of my free speech. There is a difference between the two but you seem to be blind to it.
    Also criticizing somebodies opinions such as political correctness isn’t suppressing free speech it is using a persons own free speech to counter the speech of an other.

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar

    “Boneless Brown Trout” “Hollow Chocolate Bunny” not racist inferrence?? Sure Fish. That’s for you to live with.

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  16. fish Avatar
    fish

    As I mentioned previously Paul “Boneless Brown Trout” wasn’t mine (although I did like Williams description a great deal)…and I posted the back story for “President Hollow Chocolate Bunny”! As I mentioned to your fellow SJW Frisch I could have called him “President Hollow White Chocolate Bunny”but the visual metaphor wouldn’t have worked as well!
    Racism…..it’s literally everywhere you look!
    Oh well, mores the pity……!

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – please note the hopefully clarifying update to this post. And I have removed the duplicates of your 1018am comment Mr fish.
    PaulE 1011am – For those for whom the past eight years of RR have yet to reveal its objective, please be advised that I am first and foremost a child, student, and defender of western civilization. In its cause I do battle as an unabashed conservetarian who has lived through, witnessed, and studied the various schools of thought on collectivist governance. From this experience I conclude that almost all forms and expressions of collectivism are in error, reprehensible, and a plague on humanity. I believe in the blessings that derive from the Bastiat Triangle of Rights, and argue fervently in their behalf – and yes, that means that in these pages I take every opportunity to communicate “we good, they bad”. If one side believes that 2+2=4 and the other believes 5 to be correct, then to me 4.5 is still not an acceptable compromise.
    So I say again, do not expect to find some claimed pabulum of politically correct ‘balance’ from me in these pages, but only an advocacy for what I believe to be correct. So seek balance elsewhere. But here you are welcomed and free to contend my biases.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Here Paul….perhaps this will help you a bit.
    http://grammar.about.com/od/tz/g/vismeterm.htm

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 1041am – The beat goes on. But what if millions of Americans believe that Limbaugh is promoting the public good on public airwaves the same as he would be doing standing on a public sidewalk? You and yours have no problem being the public standards for what should or should not pass in the public square.
    ‘Political correctness’ is a term of art for a body of thoughts and expressions in today’s culture that encompasses almost entirely the social values of the Left. Political correctness is not a specific opinion per se, and criticizing someone for political correctness is merely an efficient way of taking the individual’s implied collection of social thought to task. I find its imposition in America and the west to be Orwellian and hearken back to the old days of communism (USSR, China, Cuba, …)
    Today our courts and administrative panels already sentence certain infractions of politically incorrect thought to re-education classes and camps. The ultimate direction of continuing such social policies is clear.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    I don’t think Rush Limbaugh should continue to receive permission to use public airwaves to promote bigotry and hate, you guys claim that is me trying to take his free speech away.
    I don’t listen to Limbaugh (I do listen when Mark Steyn guest hosts and I stumble into it though!)…. perhaps an example or two of his promoting bigotry and hate, would bolster your claim Ben.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    In other words, to be a heckler’s veto such heckling must make the targeted speech impossible or induce authorities to shut it down and/or prevent its future expression.
    In light of your clarification this seems to be behavior practiced almost exclusively by the left. But I eagerly look forward to examples that contradict my assertion.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 1236pm – You are correct, and I with equal enthusiasm I wait with you for such examples. These pages are ample evidence of the Left’s strong proscriptions of my advocacy of classical liberalism in the western tradition.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Fish, 11:20 AM makes an excellent point. Ben Emery please give us some examples of Limbaugh preaching hate or de jour BS you believe he said. When I was a Supervisor my friend once told me this. He ran into some people who started yelling at him when my name came up. They said I was this and that (none of which was true of course) and they hated my guts. Mr friend asked them if they had ever met me or attended a meeting where I was attending. They said NO! So unless you give the world your proof, you are simply making it up.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    Here you go Fish
    “From this day forward, somebody propose it, liberals should not be allowed to buy guns. It’s just that simple. Liberals should have their speech controlled and not be allowed to buy guns. I mean if we want to get serious about this, if we want to face this head on, we’re gonna have to openly admit, liberals should not be allowed to buy guns, nor should they be allowed to use computer keyboards or typewriters, word processors or e-mails, and they should have their speech controlled. If we did those three or four things, I can’t tell you what a sane, calm, civil, fun-loving society we would have. Take guns out of the possession, out of the hands of liberals, take their typewriters and their keyboards away from ‘em, don’t let ‘em anywhere near a gun, and control their speech. You would wipe out 90% of the crime, 85 to 95% of the hate, and a hundred percent of the lies from society.”
    ~Rush Limbaugh, The Rush Limbaugh Show, January 2011
    “Holocaust? Ninety million Indians? Only four million left? They all have casinos — what’s to complain about?”
    ~Rush Limbaugh, making yet another racist statement, September 25, 2009.
    “The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them.”
    ~Rush Limbaugh, advocating for blowing up the world.
    “I think this reason why girls don’t do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, ‘All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what’s it going to be?’ We all know what was chosen.”
    ~Rush Limbaugh, making another degrading comment about women, February 23, 1994
    “When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an insult; it’s an invitation.”
    ~Rush Limbaugh, making a “joke” about homosexual men, Summer 1994
    Want more? Let me know.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 422pm – It is clear that you have not listened to Limbaugh. The term naïf comes to mind.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Are you denying that he said these things? He says things like this every day. I do listen to him from time to time. In fact just this week in my van on the way to the dump.

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar

    I could apply the term naif to Limbaugh if we agreed he was a comedian but that would imply that he was not to be taken seriously. Is that what you mean?

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 449pm – Not at all. He says all those things and more. And he does it to get a laugh and exercise the hot buttons of all the liberals in the land. How does your button feel?

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  29. Dave Smith Avatar
    Dave Smith

    Interesting that you George want to restrict mmj patient rights, the same rights that voters gave these people in 1994.
    Talking out of the both sides of you mouth me thinkith….?
    It’s obvious that it’s much more a “I’m not for it’s so it’s whatever I want, and screw the rights of anyone else who doesn’t see it that way” no matter if it’s a right that was given by the will of the people…..

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 453pm – Hard to believe that you are continuing this thread. First, attempt to grok that he is not talking to you or yours. His audience is way smart enough to know what parts of his monologue are serious propositions and what part is his mode of bombastic humor. Although I have to admit that part is thrown out there to the more gruberized of the Left, who then assiduously record and publish them as ‘proof’ of whatever. You are again in your habitual mode of zero or one – Limbaugh et al can only be serious commentators or comedians, never commentators who spice their broadcasts with humor. But I do confess that Limbaugh should be more careful in his gratuitous approach to inducing apoplexy in liberals monitoring his broadcasts. That’s a serious medical condition not to be lightly bandied among the gullible.
    DaveS 458pm – Dave, after the long and detailed debate about Measure S in these pages that involved parties on both sides, it is clear that you don’t have a clue what position I have on the legalization and consumption of MJ.

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Paul Emery, since you did not supply links I assume you used the Media Matters website. They have been forced to admit they make up most of Limbaugh’s words by parsing and taking them out of context. He also uses extreme words to drive home a point to make people react and respond He always puts liberal callers to the front of the line. So, please, if you want to try and make a point about Rush Limbaugh use truthful facts and you should also lighten up. Sort of like you do when a liberal comedian trashes conservatives.

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  32. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    It seems that everything is racist these days. If I was to mention that my best friend is Swedish I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that this makes me a racist. Racism is the belief that people’s heritage determines their character. Reference to stereotypes is not racist. Pointing out that the remaining native Americans all have casinos may be in poor taste and is certainly incorrect but it is in no way racist!
    Claiming that using nuclear weapons is the only way to reduce their number is probably true because no nation that has them is willing to give them up but it is in no way advocating blowing up the world!
    The remaining two are jokes. All jokes, other than puns, require that somebody be the “butt of the joke.” (Go ahead and make your adolescent he-said-butt comments.) Political correctness is the rule of the day, though, and anybody who tells a joke (other than a pun) is subject to accusation of the most heinous of thought crimes. And this is true even when those jokes are more than 10 years old!
    I’ve been unemployed for a few months and I have taken the time to listen to several episodes of Limbaugh’s program to experience whether there is truth in what so many say about him. I can honestly say that I have never heard him expressed a racist, anti-feminine, or homophobic opinion. He is a blowhard narcissist and his style can be hard to take but that does not, in my opinion, make him guilty of the kinds of things that he is so routinely accused.

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  33. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    D. Smith.. 458p The courts have repeatedly ruled that there is not constitutional right to weed. Read 215 and 420 as well as the inland empire state supreme court ruling. Sorry going off thread Dr.R., just so tired of the left claiming their rights that think they have cause that’s what they want to do. Much like the constant twisting of the constitutions words and intent to fit their world view. Have a Safe and Happy New Year Everyone (well almost)!

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Kesti, 5:28. Excellent analysis. You have hit it. Snerdley, the fellow who screens Limbaugh’s calls, is a black man. He has been with Rush from the start.

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  35. Walt Avatar

    Let’s see… Rush has been the top Conservative radio show for what?? 25 years now?
    And just about all of talk radio has a Conservative lean to it. And all are on “for profit” stations.( for the sake of argument) Now LIB radio on the other hand can’t stay on the air without subsidies. The only way LIBS can “spread a message” is with bumper stickers.
    The masses have VETOED what LIBS have to say. Be it radio or cable news. The masses have learned that ” LIBS lie”,, and are sick of it. From AGW to just how great a job “O” is (not) doing. LIB NEWS “VETOED” how well the Right did in the last election. They didn’t say that the Repub.s cleaned house in just about every state and local election. Nope,, need to veto that message to the people… And they wonder why the coming line will be ” This was CNN… The most untrusted name in news.”

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  36. Walt Avatar

    LOL!!
    One of the LIB news web sites gets caught with it’s pants down by Conservative radio.
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/31/hugh-hewitts-on-air-showdown-with-buzzfeeds-ben-smith/

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd writew ” Sort of like you do when a liberal comedian trashes conservatives.”
    So Todd you admit that Rush is a comedian. We can agree on that.
    Happy New year to Everyone. I’m off to my gig. 450 tickets sold to my show at the Miners Foundry.

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  38. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, Limbaugh was pulling your leg so hard it came right off. “Illustrating absurdity by being absurd” is one of his catchphrases.
    I listen to him irregularly in order to catch what the unapologetic Right is thinking, and, time after time, they are filled with new and good ideas. Whether the new ideas are good or the good ideas are new can be a matter for dispute, though I’d say most of the ideas that are both new and good tend to be from the libertarian radical middle who actually believe in low tax small-l liberalism.

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  39. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Brother Paul needs to revisit Webster’s and learn the meaning of “parody.” And then recall Alinsky’s dictum that ridicule is often the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I can honestly say that I have never heard him expressed a racist, anti-feminine, or homophobic opinion. He is a blowhard narcissist and his style can be hard to take but that does not, in my opinion, make him guilty of the kinds of things that he is so routinely accused.”-MJK
    Mike, that’s also (mostly) been my experience listening to his show. I started listening when I moved to Grass Valley and, while sitting at my desk, the only radio station my crappy little set would receive was KNCO, and Limbaugh was inescapable if it was on in the morning. What Limbaugh is mostly is unapologetic. Conservatives in general have learned to tiptoe around the left, who, at least in politics, only have a sense of humor if it involves denigrations of conservatives. Limbaugh relishes incredibly incorrect speech that sends the left into apoplexy. Feminazi, viewer abortions (he’d run vacuum cleaner sounds when he ended calls with left-liberals with an attitude), “Talent on loan from Gawd”, “Right 99 44/100% of the time” etc were all just to get the likes of Scoopy and Frischie hopping mad on the one leg they had left.
    Blowhard, Narcissist? I doubt it, unless you want to limit it to his on-air persona. He’s conservative, doesn’t think conservative opinions are shameful and loves to piss off folks who aren’t conservative. That’s his show, and he’s a master of pacing, not to mention delivering ears to the commercial breaks that he calls something “obscene profit time-out’s”.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, your “googling” shows only that his lib haters have made up some ridiculous quotes. Nothing more.
    Regarding moving forward? What does that mean? I am quite happy that Rush kicks liberal ass every day and I am standing still. He uses humor a lot. So yes part of what he does is comedy but he is much more than that. He usually is spot on with his exposure of liberals and their shenanigans that the lamestreams choose to overlook. Humor? You should try it some time.
    I started listening to him in 1995 after the R’;s tossed your pals out of Congress. He was talking about things that was talking about and I finally was able to listen to someone other than a “teleprompter” “news” person reading a liberal producers BS. So refreshing for we conservatives. Rush makes hundreds of millions of dollars for yapping. What is your excuse? LOL!

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  42. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Seems to me “heckler’s veto” is a form of censorship. Censorship has been going on for centuries – so, I disagree that we should lament this phenomena as something new and different. Heckler’s veto also sounds a bit like “shooting the messenger”.
    Everyone is free to say what they want until someone (or government, group, or blog master) decides to supress them. I think the blacklisting of Hollywood Communists would be a not-too-distant example of heckler’s veto. Would getting socked in the jaw by someone after they were told their mother wore army boots constitute a “veto” by a heckler?

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I read this post differently than BradC. I recall many conservatives being shouted down as they attempted to make their speeches at some of our former esteemed universities. I saw the Iranians put a price on the head of Rushdie and thank goodness they have so far failed to get his head. I see liberal groups stalking conservative students who were placing their newsletters around schools and the libs were swiping and burning them. The point I see here is the attempts to stop people from speaking a certain message, which is conservative thoughts. We on the right deplore the squelching of speech (like Pelline does) and we want more speech.

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  44. Walt Avatar

    How bout the black listing of Conservative actors in Hollywierd?
    The second “they” voice their opinions, they rarely work in that town again.
    But for LIBS,, that kind of silencing is fine and dandy. Especially since “O”
    took office. If you don’t support and do Dear Lear’s bidding, your done.
    LIBS have done a fine job in that VETO DEPT.

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, lots of people make jokes without being “a comedian”, though I understand your desire to pretend Limbaugh is just a comedian and can be dismissed. He has millions of listeners who both think he’s funny and has a message worth listening to. On occasion, in my opinion it’s even true.
    I recall watching C-SPAN after the Gingrich takeover, William F. Buckley was telling a story to the GOP freshman class getting orientation into the House about how Limbaugh called him one day asking for ideas, asking WFB what should happen on the Hill. Buckley said what was needed was a modern day version of the Council of Trent. Rush… “What’s that?”. Buckley gave him a rundown.
    Rush goes on the air… tells the audience that we need a modern day version of the Council of Trent… you probably don’t know what that means, so I’ll tell you.
    Later, George Will calls Buckley, asks him his take on current events… Buckley says we need a modern day version of the Council of Trent. Will responds, “Oh, you’ve been listening to Limbaugh!”.
    Just a comedian, Paul?

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Chris Rock is a comedian but is also a very interesting man regarding current events and social morees. He should not be listened to regarding the issues Paul?

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  47. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 31 December 2014 at 04:22 PM
    Nope….still waiting for the first legitimate example.
    1) Hyperbole….so what? What does your questionably calibrated “Hate-O-Tector™” say about Swifts “A Modest Proposal”?
    Satire….Learn it, Know it, Live it!
    2) Bad line from a Conan O’Brien monologue.
    3) More hyperbole.
    4) More Conan O’Brien
    5) Still more Conan O’Brien
    Jeebus….how do you fancy lads make it through your days with all that hate out there? At least the old left…..crazy genocidial psychopaths though they may have been….. were made of sterner stuff!

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  48. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Damn, a senior moment. The anecdote I shared was not the product of William F. Buckley, it was former Ed Sec’y William J. Bennett. Sorry, long day.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar

    So Todd you think my quote (the homophobic one) from Limbaugh is made up. There are at least 20 sources of it some in published books that would certainly have been legally vetted before publication. That’s pretty cheap way of getting out of trying to justify what he said.

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