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Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.  John 1:3

George Rebane

‘Tis the season to talk of God.  The debate about the existence of God or Intelligent Designer or Universal Intelligence or … (henceforth ‘God’) continues to grow as we discover more about our universe, or as some would have it, creation.

Celebrated physicist Richard Feynman said, “I do not believe that science can disprove the existence of God; I think that is impossible.  And if it is impossible, is not a belief in science and in a God — an ordinary God of religion — a consistent possibility? … Yes, it is consistent.”  He went on to say, “…many scientists do believe in both science and God, in a perfectly consistent way.  But this consistency, although possible, is not easy to attain…”

TurtlesAllTheWayDownSince Feynman made this statement some years back, a lot more has been learned about how our universe is constructed.  This has caused more and more scientists to apply Occam’s razor and conclude that the most likely explanation for the existence of what we observe and measure is that there is a God, that what is, came to be through intelligent design.  Almost all scientists are Bayesians in how they treat uncertainty, the consistency of their belief in the existence of God is then taken as any other proposition they may consider.  In this case the existence of God in their mind has a very high probability (say, 0.999), but it is not a certainty and still makes a provision for future evidence to start diminishing that probability.  In other words, God, like descriptions of the rest of his creation, is accepted within the reasoning powers that have evolved within the sapient critters that populate his universe.

In the January 2015 Scientific American is a feature article discussing the statistical likelihood of myriads of exoplanets which may be even more suitable for life as we know it (i.e. carbon based with lots of complex molecules having hydrogen and oxygen in them).  Best current estimates number these planets to be around 100 billion just in our Milky Way galaxy.  In our visible universe there are up to 200 billion galaxies (they are still counting), and, of course, then there is the part of the universe that is already invisible to us.  These are the galaxies so far away that the intervening space itself is expanding faster than the speed of light, making it so that light from the invisible galaxies will never reach us – i.e. we will never see them, and they will no longer see us.  Put it all together, and there are a lot of potential homes where intelligent civilizations will come to be, are, and may have already passed into oblivion or onto paths of glory unknown to our meager peabrains.

In a 25dec14 piece ‘Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God’, Eric Metaxas discusses the unbelievably extreme precision with which tens of natural constants/parameters have been fashioned that make life on earth (and potentially elsewhere) possible.  The slightest variation in any of them would create universes to deny our existence.  Astronomer Fred Hoyle (of Big Bang fame) said, “a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”

We can go on quoting science luminaries drawing similar conclusions until the cows come home.  Let me throw out one or two more, first by one of the current greats in theoretical physics, Paul Davies.  He said, “the appearance of design is overwhelming.”  Oxford mathematician and philosopher of science John Lennox agrees, “the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here.”  (more here)

Opposing them is the diminishing crowd of secular humanist scientists whose mantra is that ‘it’s turtles all the way down!’  These investigators may have their scientist credentials called into question because they don’t follow evidence and infer from what their data reveals.  Instead, they start with the firm yet unscientific belief that the debate is over, that ‘There is no God’, and then spend their lives looking for the next turtle upon which all the other turtles can be balanced (until the top one on whose back rests earth).  They never seem to understand that such a quest doesn’t even lead in the direction of the proof they seek.  (Today, from their ranks come also the climateers who fiercely mangle climate data records and run dodgy computer models to support their political funding benefactors in trumpeting the whys and wherefores of undeniable man-made global warming.)

The existence of God beckons to answer Princeton physicist John Wheeler’s last quest, ‘Why Existence?’ – a profound journey beyond the limits of science.

To recap Feynman, “So the question changes a little bit from ‘Is there a God?’ to ‘How sure is it that there is a God?’ This very subtle change is a great stroke and represents a parting of the ways between science and religion. … I do not believe that science can disprove the existence of God; I think that is impossible.  And if it is impossible, is not a belief in science and in a God — an ordinary God of religion — a consistent possibility?  Yes it is consistent.”

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56 responses to “God in Science in God”

  1. Patricia Smith Avatar

    When I was a wee lassie of 18, I remember a newspaper article about the Golden Rule that showed the same concept coming from every major religion including Islam. I just did a Google search and found this:
    The Golden Rule is implicitly expressed in some verses of the Qur’an, but is explicitly declared in the sayings of Muhammad. A common transliteration is: ِAheb li akheek ma tuhibu li nafsik. This can be translated as “Wish for your brother, what you wish for yourself” or “Love your brother as you love yourself”.
    After a great deal of study, I came away with the conclusion that ALL religions are good, but the Church leaders (and many followers) usually aren’t. A lot of horrible acts have been committed in the name of God that have been perpetrated by people from many different religions – including Christianity (and I’m not just talking about the Inquisition). It’s a shame that our search for higher meaning has been twisted into an instrument to justify hating others whether it is based on their religion, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation.
    I like the bible verse (Luke 6:41) , Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye.”
    And to George’s comment on not being able to ascertain when someone has made”excessive” profits: Matthew 19:21, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven. So I guess you don’t have to worry yourself about it, because if you are right, God will have the last word!
    I wish peace, happiness, and health to each and every one of you! May 2015 be your best year yet,

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  2. Bill Avatar
    Bill

    Dr.Rebane @ 10:32am. Yep, so declared. I also believe the laws of physics were radially altered the day Adam and Eve munched on the apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That brought decay, death, limits, and other corruption/changes of physics roughly known to young scholars as the Laws of Thermodynamics. Ole Adam and Eve should gave chosen the Tree of Life, the river of life, the bread of life. My aging joints remind me of decay everyday, but I digress. Digression is a constant with me.
    As far as science in God in science goes, it ain’t that complicated. Suppose you want to find out why humans behave the way they do. You can study their anatomy for decades, getting smaller and smaller in detail, well past the atoms and protons, and neutrons. Or you can spend your life studying phycology, the brain, emotions, the will, the chemistry of the the libretto, frontal lobes, or the cranium. Or you can study your whole life anthropology, history, social science, civilizations both modern and ancient as well as their relationship to each other. But the farther and farther you search into the most minute whiff of detail, the farther you have moved from the original question why do people behave the way they do. Thus, that is my take on someone like Dr. Hawkins life. He was made it his life’s passion to prove there is and never was any Intelligent Design, no God, no Creator beyond time and space. A brilliant man on a fool’s errand, IMHO, He is unsatisfied, empty, bitter and distraught that intelligent design lingo is no longer scoffed at and laughed out of the classroom. All is not lost for Dr. Hawkins. He is worshiped, esteemed, and held n awe by his brilliant peers and underlings. Sadly, his whole life has yielded weak to nil answers of the question of when, where, why, and to what extent did it all start and how we came into being. He is just as far away from those answers today than when he first started. He should have started with Intelligent Design or the Creator beyond time and space and watched scientists from all fields add credence to his theory that intelligent design was the start of it all. He would not be so bitter and so hostile to the ID theory if he had. He chose the Tree of Knowledge.
    Ain’t complicated at all. Sure, most make it very complicated and trip over their own two feet in the process. I wear the label Creationist with honor, thank you.

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  3. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “My guesstimate is around 98% of the people in the world want to get along”
    As individuals, I’d say that this is absolutely true.
    OTOH, I certainly wouldn’t view group dynamics as the summation of individual needs and wants.

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  4. Stevo Avatar
    Stevo

    Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. (26) Yes Father , for this way was well pleasing in Your sight.
    Stevo

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  5. Wayne Hullett Avatar

    In the recent movie “The Theory of Everything” a young Stephen Hawking, when asked what he believed about some particular aspect of the universe, said “What I believe is irrelevant”. In other words, to employ an overused phrase, the universe is what it is, regardless of what you think or believe it is. Gravity does not care whether you believe in it.
    How do you determine what is true? What method do you use to distinguish what is true from what is not true? Many people accept as truth what an authority figure, such as a parent tells them. Others have other methods; it “seems” right, they “want” it to be true.
    Science determines what is true by observation and experiment — by testing a proposition against reality. Belief is to accept a statement as true. Faith is belief without evidence.
    The study of the universe, its properties and how it came to be lies within the realm of science — astronomy, biology, chemistry and ultimately physics. Science is trying to understand how the universe came to exist; why there is something rather than nothing. We may or may not be able to answer that question using observation and experiment. The statement that “God created the universe” is an attempt to answer that question. It may be the way things really happened. It may not. We do not yet know. It is an hypothesis that has not been tested.
    Humans need authority figures (hence the universality of kings and presidents) and they seem to need certainty. They also have difficulty imagining non-existence — they fear death (especially when young). They seek answers, and when an authority figure offers a simple answer that also promises life after death it can be irresistable to many, even if it is not known whether it is true. It is the sad lot of mankind that the need for certainty and the fear of death overwhelm our need for truth.
    Religions spring up satisfy our need for answers. Many religions. Some contradict others, and hence they cannot all be true. But since they have not been tested (and perhaps cannot be tested) against reality it is not known which, if any, are true. Some religions have found that the question is easily decided by the sword, the rack and the stake.
    I think that the world would be a happier place if instead of saying “I believe in God” we say the “My hypothesis gives me comfort”. But it is in our nature that we would soon begin to say that “my hypothesis is better than your hypothesis” and there we go again.

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  6. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    A friend in Texas wrote this to letter to the editor that pretty much sums it up. ”
    Clayton M. Christensen is the Kim B. Clark Professor of Business Administration at the Harvard Business School; and is regarded as one of the world’s top experts on innovation and growth. Following is his thoughts on how religion has helped shape American culture and democracy.
    Since the nation’s founding, Christianity and Judaism has been the dominating religions in America. These thoughts are presented as historical significance and not an attack on non believers or other religions.
    Professor Christensen said he learned the importance of religion for the strength of democracy and capitalism in conversations with a Marxist economist from China 12 years ago. It was at a Fulbright Fellowship in Boston that was about to end. He asked his Chinese friend if he has learned anything that would surprise him or unexpected? Without hesitation he said; “yes, I had no idea how critical religion was to the functioning of democracy”
    Professor Christensen said in his mind he had never made this association between religion, democracy and capitalism, but it was like this scholar parachuted in from Mars – and this is what he saw.
    The reason why democracy works is not because the government is designed to oversee what everybody does, the reason why every democracy works is because most people voluntary choose to obey the law.
    He continued, “In your past, most Americans attended a church or synagogue every week. These were institutions that people respected. From their youngest years, Americans were taught to voluntarily obey the law; to respect other people’s property, and not steal it. Americans were taught never to lie. Americans followed these rules because they had come to believe that even if the police or court systems didn’t catch them when they broke a law, God would hold them accountable. Democracy works here because most people most of the time voluntarily obey the laws.
    Christensen states; “If you take religion out of our lives, what will happen to our democracy”? “Where are the institutions that will teach these next generations that they too need to voluntary obeying the law”? If you take away religion, you could never hire enough police.
    Today there are many Americans who are not religious, who still voluntarily obey the law, comply with contracts, value honesty and integrity and respect other people’s rights and property. This is because certain religious teachings have become embedded in our culture.
    When the instinct of even less than majority of people in a society is to steal what belongs to others, like when it suits their selfish purposes, evade taxes, demand bribes and disregard the rights of others, then capitalism won’t work, either.
    Those who assume that the atheistic religions of secularism are a better backbone for freedom and prosperity than the religious conviction they are trying to push under the back seat, have a huge burden of proof, let alone propose as viable solutions. What institutions are they proposing to establish that have enduring power to teach the next generation of Americans to enthusiastically obey unenforceable laws?”

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