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Reading the 6dec14 Union this morning, I noticed a spattering of feedback from conservatives and progressives that the editors had assembled.  Jobs and economic development have been elusive objectives for years in Nevada County.  Now that a ton of new environmental regulations are coming down the pike, it is interesting to see how both sides of our polarized politics are handling that situation.  From conservatives we hear the expected wails and gnashing of teeth at the next tranche of self-inflicted pain California has to endure from agencies like CARB expanding its own CEQA.

From progressives we see an ongoing stream of inanities that insist that this time additional regulations will really – honest Injun! - create jobs in the county and encourage economic development – all of the ‘sustainable’ kind of course.  These same people see solutions through attempts to help local contractors contort themselves even more to satisfy the new CEQA and other regulations, none of which have been shown to have any credible benefit on our environment and economy.  The great escape of California’s corporations attests otherwise.


However, these onerous new mandates do benefit the bureaucrats charged with their enforcement and the remora-like NGOs going along for the ride to snap up juicy scraps in the form of more programs to explain to the surviving businesses how to best bend their knee and bow down to Leviathan when the new regs hit.  Meanwhile, the rest of us – the onlookers and the disinterested – don’t seem to understand that the proper role of government in these times is to actively review and roll back the job killers and economic development dampeners issuing from outfits like CARB turning the AB32 screws on Californians.

I have long viewed progressivism as an awful social disease, and its transmitters, like unionized teachers and local running-dog NGOs, are as albatrosses that we have somehow become accustomed to wearing around our collective necks.  The disease, like leprosy, is painless as it removes productive functions from our communities.

On the national scene EPA is now gearing up to write and enforce new environmental laws under the guise of enforcing the existing Clean Air Act under its horribly written and much adjudicated Section III.  Obama’s directive to this long rogue agency to essentially outlaw coal was taken to task by no less of a personage than Professor Laurence Tribe of Harvard.  Professor Tribe was Obama’s constitutional law teacher when our president pretended to be a student at that institution.  According to the assessment of Tribe, “a titan of the liberal professoriate”, Obama has again overstepped the constitutional bounds of his office, and, had he paid tuition, would be due a full refund from Harvard because they didn’t teach him anything.

As gas prices begin to sink below $2/gal, it should amaze all of us that this progressive icon is now siding with companies like Peabody Energy to excoriate his former student for an “executive overreach” that specifically induces the EPA to violate the Fifth Amendment’s takings clause.  All of this will make no never mind to Team Obama and the EPA “determined to impose its climate agenda without having passed a single new act of Congress.”  Our only hope now lies with the new Republican congress, and even more with the courts (more here).

Finally, did anyone pick up that local police departments and America’s military are again running combat exercises in US cities this winter (RR reported on last year's exercises here).  CBS News in LA reports that the military has informed local authorities to expect combat helicopters to fly low over downtown and deploy Marines into a multi-block area nearby to conduct built-up area combat drills.  The military assures civilian authorities that these are not anti-terrorist maneuvers in anticipation of a massive terrorist invasion.  The LAPD’s lame explanation is that the exercises are intended “to ensure the military’s ability to operate in urban environments.”  Well no s#!t Red Ryder!

So the question again is, since these maneuvers are designed to confront and take out significant numbers of opponents, from which population segment do we get such significant numbers other than than American civilians who reside in the area?  From reading the CBS coverage of this, apparently for the lamestream that was one question too far (more here).

[10dec14 update]  Sen Feinstein’s CIA torture report and Dr Jonathon Gruber all on one day.  What to make of them?  Gruber’s congressional testimony was a mighty attempt to deny and walk back the amply recorded history of his seminal work on Obamacare and its subsequent interpretations at various conferences and seminars.  According to some, the MIT professor did an excellent version of an apologetic Forrest Gump.  But not to worry, his place as an accurate and truthful member of Team Obama and apologist for the means and methods of Obamunism is assured.  He will return to the Hill for another attempt at ‘Out damn spot!  Out, I say!’

About the purpose of DiFi’s $40M/5year torture report I am not sure.  The Left is taking it as another chapter of their growing gospel on Terriblis Americae.  Without having talked to anyone in the CIA, the main points made in the report are that torture doesn’t work, and that we did not benefit from using ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ aka torture.  This does fly in the face of CIA’s published evidence, and begs the question of why torture has been used for millennia to pry secrets from sealed lips.  While its practice is not claimed to be 100% reliable, its effectiveness over the ages has been attested by the numerous means potential victims of torture have prepared themselves to die before being subjected to the pain and suffering they knew they could not reliably face (more here and here).

So again, why was that report released, and why at this time?

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115 responses to “Scattershots – 6dec14 (updated 10dec14)”

  1. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    George – according to the FUE, you and a small number of ‘entitled’ folks are just too darn powerful.
    “Our local rightwing-nuts have the local media in a wrist lock.”
    Apparently even the progressives are under your Svengali-like control.
    “to ensure the military’s ability to operate in urban environments.”
    Oh – surely not OUR country’s urban areas! Probably Caracas or Tijuana or Moscow. That’s it.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 249pm – I wonder if social paranoia and a rich imagination are an acceptable substitute for intellect 😉

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 06 December 2014 at 02:49 PM
    Nothing stopping jeffy from starting his own rival paper like people used to do. He claims there’s an underserved market due to the Unions demographic death grip.
    Let him prove it!

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  4. Walt Avatar

    Oh Yaaaa… Someone DO TELL how more regulations help spur growth.
    What? make a regulation on the minimum number of employees any given business must have?
    Lets not forget the push for a higher minimum wadge. That will really help.( ya.. right)
    We have the new fuel tax come the 1st. OH JOY!! Speaking of low cost fuel ( nationally)
    They are a few bright bastards wanting to jack up the Fed fuel tax since everyone got used to paying those high prices.
    I recall LIBS saying “we can’t drill our way to prosperity”.. Well,, it looks like we did, and OPEC is pissed. ( oil at a record low in recent times) Now they are flooding the market
    to get back at us. And all this without the help of the FEDS. Private and state lands are the oil producers.
    Now the LIBS are making good on their attack on coal. And just in time for our own mini ice age to hit. (again) Heating costs will necessarily skyrocket. How will the low income LIBS like that? They will get what they voted for.

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  5. Russ Steele Avatar

    I have some thoughts on Jeff P’s latest rant on the Union Editorial Board in
    Local Blogger Fails Marketing 101. http://wp.me/p3RtiD-ox

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Seems to me that if newspapers and other print media could halt the tidal wave of red ink, reverse the juggernaut of laying off employees, and stop the trend of closing their doors, then maybe Bubba could find somebody, anybody to put him on payroll. When one becomes unemployable, become self employed.
    A word of caution: When becoming self employed as the employer of last resort, one’s boss often turns out to be a real jerk, a control freak, and an insignificant know-it-all. No matter where one goes in life, he always takes himself along. That is the crux of the problem.

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  7. RL Crabb Avatar

    Poor Jeffy – What would he write about if it wasn’t for The Union? It’s sort of like Ahab and the whale, in reverse.

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, I do recall Obama saying we cannot drill our way out of our dependency on foreign oil. Yes we can, yes we can! Well, at least we can if allowed. We are only a couple of years away from reaching that goal, which means Zerobama only has a couple of years to sabotage it. Drilling on Federal land is down 6% in the last 5 years.
    Thank you lucky stars for private property! The more we look, the more we find. Simply amazing, is it not? Good ole American know how. And all this time we were told we would be running out of black gold, Texas Tea. As they say in other parts “oils well.”
    Need proof? Oklahoma City is having gas wars. One station put up a sign for gas at $1.99/gal and the station across the street put the price at $1.98/gal, lol. Yep, I remember gas wars a long time ago in CA. Oh yeah, gas wars are no longer tolerated in The Golden State. We be saving the orb from being fried like a corn dog.
    Drill baby drill. Yes we can, yes we can…..but not in CA.

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  9. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “I wonder if social paranoia and a rich imagination are an acceptable substitute for intellect ;-)”
    Well – if you don’t have much of an intellect to work with, then you run with what you have. Social paranoia? – maybe. Rich imagination? – please!
    Mostly cut and paste BS from the NYT, Daily Kos, Mother Jones and Salon.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 558pm – You’re a hard man Mr Obermuller 😉

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Slightly OT… results have been phoned in from Loozyanna… Mary Landrieu lost, to the surprise of no one. Called by AP. Apparently Obama was right, his policies were on the ballot. Congrats to the GOP, now it’s time to break out of the mold of proving to all how bad government can be.
    It will be interesting to see if the House and Senate will be able to pass bills and override vetoes come January, February, March, April, May, so on and so on. Somehow, I just don’t see Obama actually beginning to make deals… that would take a politician with people skills.

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  12. Walt Avatar

    That’s all we get here from the round guy’s clan. Cut and paste. Especially if it’s more than three sentences long. Jeffy should be break dancing today. See RL’s bit it the paper?
    ( congrats BTW RL. ) Dear ol’ “Cartman” at his computer was resurrected. ( I recall the original submission vary well.)

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    With the elections in Lousyana a foregone conclusion, we can temporary say goodbye to an era. The conservatives (non Obama types) now hold every state wide office (governors and senators) and control every statehouse from Texas to da Carolinas. “Nothing could be fina than to kick purple behinds from Texas to Carolina in the mooornnnning.” Bye, bye, long time no come see.
    On the international environmental scene, my beloved Ecuador with its nature rights enshrined in its Constitution has been reversing course, much to the chagrin of all the NGOs telling them what to do. Not a pleasant setback for the expanding Mean Green Machine leading up to Lima and running on fumes. A very bitter pill to shallow. Darn Chinese are owning the world.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/06/ecuador-indigenous-leader-found-dead-lima-climate-talks

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Yet the lame ducks are selling the voters down the river, and giving Dear Leader what he asks for.

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  15. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    George at 6:09 – Hard? – hardly! I’m actually pretty easy going.
    I suppress about 90% of my opinions. Have you read the FUE’s stuff lately? There are high school papers that enjoy more open discussion and diversity of opinion than his blog ever will. Mostly name calling and sophomoric ramblings about how awful it is that folks don’t agree with him. Well, of course it’s actually OK to disagree with him, but only if it’s done in a way he agrees with.

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  16. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Scott 851 It seems a lot of lefty jeffeys traffic is the socialist who has no concern for victims talking to himself. That he blows the most hot air into the lefty lament land is what it is. We have another Senator in LA! The times they are a changing! 🙂

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Off topic, but Grass Valley got mentioned. Last 2 paragraphs. Might be on topic under the umbrella of regulations and sustainability. 4 or 5 out of 130?
    http://news.yahoo.com/newly-insured-struggle-primary-physicians-155516875.html

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  18. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    ” The great escape of California’s corporations attests otherwise.” — According to the Public Policy Institute of CA who studied the issue for 15 years, less than 2% of jobs that have left CA were because of the regulatory environment. The other 98% of jobs lost were due to other factors like consolidation of facilities (Toyota moved management to be closer to manufacturing, Tesla moved to have a shorter supply train). Try as you like to blame regulation for job loss, it simply isn’t the case except in a few instances. All the brouhaha is just another anti-regulation propaganda ploy. Add to that the taxpayer money that is given away to lure businesses from CA and you get a more clear picture of the situation. Most businesses recognize that the regulatory environment in CA is just part of the cost of doing business here. If they want to do business in CA they put up with the regulations, if they don’t they can leave. Most choose to stay because the golden state is also a golden goose.

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  19. Russ Steele Avatar

    Joe@09:52PM
    Please provide a link to the PPIC Survey results, I could not find the survey on the webpage. The PPIC is know to have a liberal bias, and the study needs to be frisked for validation. How a question is asked can influence the answer. The results seem to be in consistent with other studies and surveys of companies that left the state. We need to know who was asked what questions.

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  20. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Russ – ” The PPIC is know to have a liberal bias, and the study needs to be frisked for validation.” I agree.. just like the Heritage Foundation and Freedom Works are known to have a far right bias and should be vetted. I don’t have a link to the survey information, I read about it in a news article.

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  21. Walt Avatar

    LOL Joe,, you won’t even post the article. BTW Tesla wanted big bucks up front, huge tax breaks and a law changed so they could sell cars without dealerships. Yet the state AND Tesla are not saying why they split the sheets. So really,, your claim that it wasn’t about regulations is BS. You can bet your bottom doobie that regs. played a big part.
    “Announcements of businesses leaving regulation-happy and costly California or declining to do business in California are as common here in the Golden State as seeing a Prius blocking the left lane on the 405.”
    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/03/tesla-says-battery-gigafactory-will-not-be-built-in-california/

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  22. Walt Avatar

    Joe. Do explain this. ” Tough to do business here”
    http://news.yahoo.com/toyota-moving-us-california-texas-182247217.html
    Naa.. Over regulation has nothing to do with it.(LOL!!!) Over taxation?
    Greedy unions?
    Let’s hear it. Then just WHY are they? They could always consolidate and stay here.
    What gives? HELL Even N.Y. is trying to buy companies to move there with ten years tax free.(after driving out others with massive taxes and regulations)

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Michael Mann disagrees with the Government report. Drought is going exactly the opposite than what Climate Modeling and their beautifulfull figured models predicted, each and every previous one of them.
    http://news.yahoo.com/california-drought-linked-natural-causes-not-climate-change-230935805.html.
    But the good news for us Californians with our growing population and consumption of water is more taxes and even more taxes on top of that will fix everything. The polar bear cubs will be saved, Africa will continue to be the 2nd most populated continent on Earth, China and India will built 1,000 coal fired plants over the next two decades, and the Himalayas will once again have ice on the slopes of Mt Everest. All this by taxing more and building a bullet train that will not be a bullet train.
    We desperately need more taxes and bond measures to divert water through big tunnels that will cost dummies 2-3 billion bucks a year just to maintain so we can divert water to Southern California. All this and not one drop of water will be created.
    Step right up folks and see The Greatest Show on Earth. Hurry, hurry, hurray. Just one thin dime, just one tenth of a dollar and absolutely no telling if any results will please you or make a dime’s worth of difference.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gosh George
    After hearing you complain about the way Military contractors are treated this pops up in the news.
    “WASHINGTON — Two psychologists were paid $81 million by the CIA to advise on and help implement its brutal interrogation program targeting detainees in the war on terror, according to the Senate torture report summary released Tuesday.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/09/cia-torture-contractors_n_6296758.html
    Pretty good money for giving instruction as to how to properly use use Rectal Rehydration.
    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/12/cia-torture-reports-frozen-to-death.html

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 947pm – Gosh Paul, I think you’ve misunderstood all the posts on military contractors (perhaps even government contracting). I have not complained about the treatment of military contractors. You may be confusing that with my complaints about government procurement practices carried out by poorly informed bureaucrats covering their own butts while spending other people’s (taxpayers’) money. Military contractors are then treated poorly in the media when equally uninformed agenda-driven journalists and commentators cite the high prices for seemingly mundane items, and the high costs of doing business with the government. Try to keep those two notions separate.
    Your citing of the psychologists seems to lack a point. Was there one that you had in mind?

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar

    81 million for consultation about how to make people talk by shoving electrical devices up their butts? Really George. That’s our money being spent. Why not just hire Wes Craven to write the script. A dark moment in our history indeed. The crime is that no one is being held accountable for this and other violations of human rights and just general decency. Obama really dropped the ball on this one and should be held equally accountable.

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Medicare pays billions to people to obtain voluntary colonoscopies so what is the beef? And those people freely discuss their inner secrets to the doctors performing them.

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 09 December 2014 at 09:47 PM
    At least your quality of links is improving. Mike Shedlock is a good guy….of course his economic opinions aren’t likely to win you many friends given your usual social set.
    Still I have hope for you Paul.

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar

    Fish
    I agree with many things Shedlock writes including this
    “My take is that Dick Cheney is a war criminal. He should be tried in a court of law, and if justice is served, sentenced to death and buried in the same grave as Sadaam Hussein.
    The same goes for everyone involved in the torture schemes especially former CIA director George Tenet.
    There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of behavior. Ever.
    By the way, at a meeting on December 12, 2002, Tenet assured president Bush that the evidence that Iraq had WMDs amounted to a “slam dunk case.”
    Obama’s Limp Response
    Today president Obama issued this limp response: “I hope that today’s report can help us leave these techniques where they belong, in the past. … It reinforces my long-held view that these harsh methods were not only inconsistent with our values as nation, they did not serve our broader counterterrorism efforts or our national security interests.”
    No charges will be filed and the rest of the classified report will be swept under the rug. And just two days ago Obama transferred Six Guantanamo Detainees to Uruguay.
    Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/12/cia-torture-reports-frozen-to-death.html#bkptiuIq0Z0zrbtb.99

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Dick Cheney is a war hero. He kept the place safe and many people are alive today because of the terrorists killed and immobilized over the years. Hell, I agree that Obama is doing the right thing with the drones too. I have decided I am a war monger against those that would do us harm. All the rest, I am a lover. When they grab your sorry ass and have the knife ready to carve your head off, think of Dick Cheney please.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    I mean….this has to be an improvement….IQ wise for the Senate! They could pull someone off the short school bus and find more smarts than Boxer (see Gruber really was right….slimy but right….the American voter is a moron!).
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/dan-walters/article4394749.html

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Torture? Putting them in diapers and make them think they are drowning? Sounds more like a college Frat inialation than real torture. Scaring them with dogs? Lions and tigers and bears, oh my. I have had bigger scratches on my eyeballs. Sure, the pranks sometimes get out of hand and a few terrorists die, but what do you expect from our exuberant youth? Heck, more damage was done by our exuberant youth at the Occupy rallies. Torture you say?
    As Ben Holder would say, you gotta look at the big picture. American lives were saved and murderers of women and children were made to squeal like the Arab pigs they are. If I was there, I would have wrapped them in bacon and sent pictures of the festivities to their many wives. How many terrorists are worth one single American life? A heck of a lot more than we played games with. Besides, we sent some to spend eternatity with 72 350lb hairy palmed virgins.
    Nothing to see here. If the terrorists get all upset over this, they will take to the streets, start beating themselves with chains, and like every single mooslum protest, they will start killing one another. Happens every time. Makes for less to mess with. A win-win situation. Now, that is seeing the forest from the trees I tell ya.

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  33. Walt Avatar

    No Bill… That would be ONE 72 year old virgin. “72 virgins” was a typo.
    But why change it because they got plenty of suckers to sign up to off themselves?
    This last attempt by LIBS to smear the U.S. is so full of holes and SO one sided, not to mention 100% bullshit. Like I said. A smear job just before LIBS lose control of both Houses. ” See?? Those EVIL Repubs!!”
    Ol’ Bi-Fi from S.F. is just wanting to get a final work in.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    For an interesting listen…..please enjoy Craig the ObamaCare lawyer on Armstrong and Getty this morning discussing the incentives to fraud that this dog turd of a law is causing!
    Well done progressives…..you’ve made the insurance companies rich! (hmmm…thought you progressives hated the insurance companies?)
    Start at 13:10!
    http://www.kste.com/media/podcast-the-armstrong-and-getty-show-armandgettypodcast/121014-8am-the-bullshot-cocktail-is-25669362/

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  35. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    At what point do we become exactly what we claim to be against? Preemptive invasions, drone warfare with out a declaration of war, unfounded prisoner round ups, destruction of entire cities, displacement of tens of millions, injuries to tens of millions, death to millions, suspension of due process, shredding of civil liberties and US Constitutional rights, torture, and all done under the flag of FEAR. The American people stand by and watch the dismantling of 220 years of progress towards human rights be done in our names in a dozen or so years.
    All these things were done after 19 men (15 Saudi) executed an attack on what was supposed to the strongest democracy on the planet. This attack was strategically and symbolically at the US imperialism and Military Empire. It is in times of hardship when our convictions and principles are tested and we have failed miserably. Instead of being embarrassed or regretful many here continue to celebrate the failure of our humanity.

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  36. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ben, get in the back of the bus.

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 212am – that is quite a litany of grief. I can see how you indict America on some of those charges, but you seem to blame our country for all of them including “… unfounded prisoner round ups, destruction of entire cities, displacement of tens of millions, injuries to tens of millions, death to millions, suspension of due process, shredding of civil liberties and US Constitutional rights, torture, …”. These are all the iniquities placed on America’s shoulders? No one else shares guilt? And we started it all?

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 11 December 2014 at 02:12 AM
    Ben, you’ve made your devils bargain with the welfare/warfare state. You don’t get all the progressive goodies (EBT, FascistCare, low quality education, etc.) that you like without the repressive/suppressive/oppressive/retrogressive/concussive/excessive and obsessive things that you hate.
    You might want to check out Garrett.
    Garrett’s most-read work is The People’s Pottage, which consists of three essays. “The Revolution Was” portrays the New Deal as a “revolution within the form” that undermined the American republic. “Ex America” charts the decline in America’s individualist values from 1900 to 1950. “Rise of Empire” argues that America has become an imperial state, incompatible with Garrett’s views, “a constitutional, representative, limited government in the republican form.”
    It’s probably best at this point for you to wait for it to collapse under its own weight…..which as the terms of the wager states….should happen around 2023!

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  39. fish Avatar
    fish

    Uh oh…..looks like Truckees busiest business promoting proggie is going to start his day on a philosophical down note!
    From Drudge……
    Support for gun rights reaches highest levels in 20 years…
    Surges among blacks…
    Reporter details effort to get concealed carry permit in nation’s capital…
    Victim turns shotgun on street mugger, shoots him…

    Gonna be a good day tater!

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  40. Walt Avatar

    Damn,,, Ben,, and all that under “O” and Co. You forget who has been running the show for years now?
    You still haven’t defined “torture”…(according to you)
    Now… How should our CIA do their job on gaining information on our enemies?
    Do Tell!
    Hell! The guards at GITMO can’t even raise their voices at the detainees. They have to be as polite as inhumanly possible.

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Brother Ben, why are you such a constant killjoy? Yes, every party has a pooper, but you should lighten up over this blown out of proportion so called “torture thang” and have a few yucks now and then. Life is to short and precious to get all frowny face over things you have no control over. Today is the perfect day for Singing in the Rain.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=htRHj3tyYyo

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar

    The Republicrats in full stride. All the government money can buy.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/11/the-item-that-is-blowing-up-the-budget-deal/
    “But perhaps even more outrageous to Democrats was that the language in the bill appeared to come directly from the pens of lobbyists at the nation’s biggest banks, aides said. The provision was so important to the profits at those companies that J.P.Morgan’s chief executive Jamie Dimon himself telephoned individual lawmakers to urge them to vote for it, according to a person familiar with the effort.”

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  43. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George and Crew,
    We cannot control the acts of others but only our own. 9/11 terrorist attacks were a day horrific acts killing innocent people, our response dwarfs the immorality and destruction of the acts of 9/11. Think about it and then ask yourself- who is the moral and just culture between the US and those we claim are our enemies? How do we behave any different than those cultures, if we do all the things I mentioned above.

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  44. Walt Avatar

    But Paul Izzy Warren is bitching that Wall St. dosn’t get enough help out of the deal.
    Now the LIBS what a gov. shut down.. It’s OK when they do it, but not when Repubs. do so.
    Bone head still sold out the Conservative voters. He’s still working for the Left. You have nothing to gripe about.

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  45. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    All the US can do is control our own actions and reactions. The horrific act that took place on 9/11/01 has been dwarfed in size, scope, and brutality by the US response. 19 men (15 Saudi) acted not through a state but through an organization that was a few hundred people. We used it for a justification for two invasion/ occupations of foreign nations.
    ” Preemptive invasions, drone warfare with out a declaration of war, unfounded prisoner round ups, destruction of entire cities, displacement of tens of millions, injuries to tens of millions, death to millions, suspension of due process, shredding of civil liberties and US Constitutional rights, torture, and all done under the flag of FEAR. ”
    Was our reaction. This should horrify everybody on this blog but unfortunately many here celebrate it. If another nation did this against US citizens I guarantee the opinions on Rebane Ruminations would be much different. Mine would remain the same since I respect liberty, freedom, Constitutional rights and International law for all people not just people I agree with.

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 725am – As pointed out here for some years now (and a forthcoming post), Islam has been an opponent/enemy of western civilization for centuries. And, of course, western countries have pushed back. There is a sizeable faction in the west (you among them?) that fervently believes that were the west to just apologize and play nice with Muslim countries, that all would be well.
    But that seems not to be the case. How would you deport yourself if your culture, your god, everything that you hold dear about how man should live under the heavens was threatened by the very existence of another culture? This culture, if allowed to continue, will drain away your youth, subvert your daughters and wives, and suck the very spirit out of you and everything you hold holy. And you see this happening every day of your life. Would you remain sanguine, or would you do what your god tells you to do in order to have on earth what god wills to bring forth the blessings he has promised?

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    Posted by: Ben Emery | 12 December 2014 at 07:25 AM
    We used it for a justification for two invasion/ occupations of foreign nations.
    One of those had nothing to do with 9/11 whatsoever! By all rights we should have invaded our “friends” the Saudis as the funding trail led back to them!
    Iraq was little more than a neocon pretext for resource theft!

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