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George Rebane

When I read Steve Frisch’s ‘Sustainable jobs, sustainable communities’ piece in this morning’s 28nov14) Union, I almost sprayed my coffee all over the breakfast table.  Pre-rainstorm chores kept me from leaping on the keyboard until now.  RR already drew some commenting from a couple of readers one of whom, Russ Steele, posted an excellent short critique on his Sierra Foothills Commentary here.

Mr Frisch is CEO of the cynically named Sierra Business Council, an NGO that is an active promoter of all things sustainably socialist in these foothills.  SBC is not shy in declaring its commission, plans, and programs that to the best of my knowledge makes it the functional equivalent of the ICLEI – local NGOs charged with implementing the objectives of UN’s Agenda21.  (download pdf here and see more RR's posts on Agenda21 here)

(Originally ICLEI stood for ‘International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives’, but that was a bit too revealing.  Since Agenda21’s heavy emphasis on ‘smart growth’ and ‘sustainability’ – an attribute never defined – the name was changed to “ICLEI-Local Governments for Sustainability”.  Read about it here, and then compare its look- and work-alike SBC here.)

In his column Mr Frisch promotes wage controls to put a floor on what “sustainable jobs” should pay.  He also promotes LEED certification of plans and buildings across the land to allow them to qualify for current and anticipated government favors.  “LEED, or Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design, awards buildings points for features that aim to minimize emissions, water use, waste and indoor pollutants. A new commercial building needs 40 out of a possible 100 points for certification.”  (more here)

LEED certification is another socialist bamboozle that has not demonstrated any benefit to communities wherein such buildings have been constructed other than increasing their cost, and fostering a mind numbing acceptance of yet another aspect of central planning.  The clear aim of our socialist neighbors is to make LEED certification an added requirement in local building codes and operating regulations.  A study by USA Today reports –

Across the United States, the Green Building Council has helped thousands of developers win tax breaks and grants, charge higher rents, exceed local building restrictions and get expedited permitting by certifying them as "green" under a system that often rewards minor, low-cost steps that have little or no proven environmental benefit.

And this strain of the socialist disease is already on its way to spreading across the country.

More than 200 states, cities and federal agencies now require LEED certification for new public buildings, even though they have done little independent and meaningful research into LEED's effectiveness. LEED can add millions to construction costs while promising to cut utility bills and other expenses. (more here)

The problem is that, like so many other collectivist bamboozles from which we are suffering, the benefits from LEED certification are unproven and its punishments manifest.  Like the arguments of the climateers, the building code central planners ask you, ‘Just trust us.’  No LEED verification is available for very obvious reasons.

Arguing that there is anything ‘sustainable’ about wage controls and increased costs of doing business is a now established tactic by the Left that in recent years has been brought to prominence by Team Obama elites like Cass Sunstein and Jonathan Gruber.  The good professor Gruber was so proud of how his pernicious plan to sell Obamacare was implemented that he had the temerity to tell the truth about it over the last three years.  Proselytizing that achievement may have earned him a measure of immortality (or at least notoriety) in that he has accurately identified a particularly dim cohort of voters who are now labeled as being gruberized Americans.

It is to these gruberized Americans that people like Mr Frisch direct their commentaries.  Everyone else knows the added benefits of Leviathan’s central planning.

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99 responses to “Socialist Bamboozles Collective”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    It is to these gruberized Americans that people like Mr Frisch direct their commentaries.
    The outcomes perhaps not the planning…..the Gruberized who will populate Steves utopia, they aren’t reading about the plans the vanguard is diligently preparing for them….they’re are out doing other things this morning!
    A sneak peek into the citizenry populating your radiant proglodyte future…….
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/11/28/video-shoppers-fight-over-wal-mart-deals-in-michigan-city/

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 148pm – Good observation. However, eventually enough of the gruberized will vote, again swayed by such pabulum as they have been in times past.

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    …and in reading his latest I am again struck that the man is incapable of communicating in any way other than the language of the sales pitch couched in
    bureaucratese.
    bu·reau·crat·ese
    byo͝oˌräkrəˈtēz/
    noun
    a style of speech or writing characterized by jargon, euphemism, and abstractions, held to be typical of bureaucrats.

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  4. Walt Avatar

    This is right up there with paying burger flippers 15 bucks an hour. Hell. If the power goes out, the probabilities of these workers being able to count change without the use of a powered machine is more than questionable. ( the senior citizens supplementing their social security not included)
    This prevailing wadge BS is a backdoor attempt to stifle growth.
    His little quip about “protecting resources”, is another false flag. A resource is only a resource, if you can use it.
    Case in point.. IMM would have been great for GV extracting the gold resources below our feet. It’s useless if you can’t go after it.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    I’m pretty sure Steve would demand an exemption for SBC.. “nonprofits*” just can’t pay that much. What about his pamphlet printers? Prevailing wadge for his print jobs? How bout his I.T. guy?
    Maybe Steve should start paying prevailing wadge and give it a test run? There are proposed tax breaks for hiring illegals. Time to share that wealth Steve Hire some new non deportables.

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Let’s not forget the role Frisch’s so-called Sierra Business Council (it isn’t a council of businesses; if it were, they might not have chosen a CEO who drove a Truckee business into bankruptcy, misappropriating employee tax witholdings along the way) had in helping the Gang of 4 (among the Nevada County Supervisors) dodge FOIA and Brown Act accountability during the NH2020 debacle, not to mention the SBC’s role in “facilitating” NH2020 community meetings to help herd the bumpkins of Nevada County into arriving at the desired conclusions.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “This prevailing wadge BS is a backdoor attempt to stifle growth.”
    Not really. It’s a sop to labor unions, as “prevailing wage” essentially means unionized labor’s wages, and unions tend to reward politicians (read that as “Democratic politicians”) who drive money their way.

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  8. Walt Avatar

    Actually Gregory, as a general rule, PW is one dollar more an hour than union scale and benefits package. Union scale for my job title (that last time I really checked) was around 27+ dollars an hour. It all depends on just which piece of equipment you are running at any given time. A backhoe is one rate, an excavator another, and if it’s a dozer, it varies depending on the size. Basically it all over the board. Local 3 drew up the prevailing wadge scale for operators. I doubt it would be much different for other trades.
    Now cash register jockeys may be a whole different critter, or any other paid job out there. I’m pretty sure these is a union scale for anything.
    That’s why you see carpetbagger outfits show up here for big and medium size jobs.
    It’s actually cheaper to hold your nose and hire out of aria union than to pay the prevailing wadge rates.
    Like I said. Steve should give it a try. ( even though he is playing with other people’s money) What’s the prevailing wadge for writing grant requests?

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  9. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    I am with Steven Frisch on this one, if he will just chip in 200 % of his income to fund the high priced construction workers to fix the cracked and pot holed streets. I know that “twice” what someone makes in a year is a lot of money but Steve could just put it on HIS credit card since it is for a good cause and all. Besides last time I looked the California State VISA card was maxed out.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The prevailing wage came about in the30’s I believe. It was a response by the white power establishment to the migration of blacks to the north and their working for less. I have dealt with it in my political life and now see what a “racist” beginning can bring. Steve Frisch and his ilk are keeping this alive so what do we call him?

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  11. Russ Steele Avatar

    The SBC has a staff of 24 people, mostly Program and Project Managers. It could be interesting to see if SBC pays the same wages as public agencies and commercial firms for the same responsibility levels, or do they pay less than market value. Some non-profits sell the idea that by accepting less salary, doing more for less, results in an improved self image — a priceless asset. Is saving the planet rewarding enough to satisfy human needs at the Sierra Business Council sweatshop?

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I would think since the money is grants and taxpayers money the CEO who makes $100,000 a year plus benefits is probably a cheapskate with the employees.

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  13. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    History tells us that government has and does give tax breaks, write-offs, grants, subsidies, and other monies and considerations in order to promote the development of certain industries, technologies, etc. I don’t hear you folks screaming foul over crop subsidies for corporate farmers, or oil depletion allowances, or etc. etc. But you are seemingly screaming foul over attempts to encourage sustainability. Most resources are finite and finding ways to be more sustainable in their usage will prolong their usefulness to the society at large. I would think this is desirable. Putting aside your cold war fears of a commie takeover, why do you seem to oppose sustainable economies?

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Well JoeK you just have not done your research here. Most of us are opposed to the government using our tax money or giving credits to who they choose as winners. I deviate from that with my support though of farmers. If you want to see the demise of a nation almost overnight, just screw around with the people’s food. So the “sustainability” hoax is simply a redistribution of our money that supplies NADA to the people. It is truly a well though out scam and since the left has dumbed down the people through the eduction process, it is an easy sell to the sheeple.

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    Putting aside your cold war fears of a commie takeover, why do you seem to oppose sustainable economies?
    I think it would be grand to find out if these “sustainable economies” were actually sustainable without government largesse and the fraud that usually accompanies (…cough…..cough….Solyndra….cough…sustainable energy…cough) government favoritism.
    And Joe….the Farm Bill and its myriad flaws has been discussed on numerous occasions here.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 941am – Joe, you definitely need a new hearing aid and reading glasses. RR and ALL of its right-leaning readers are and have always been against subsidies, both to private individuals and commercial interests. The only ones on these pages who are for subsidies and transfer payments are the progressives and their socialist mentors/elites. Now consider this, government has NEVER been able to successfully pick winners and losers, or to allocate resources in a productive way to anyone. The reasons for this have been explained here in great detail. You do sound like someone having just landed from the hot sands of Venus.
    BTW, no one on the Left has ever given an operational definition of ‘sustainable’. Their mantra is repeating the word thousands of time in connection with everything they want to control. And when asked ‘what is sustainable?’, their answer is ‘well, if you don’t know, then I do; just trust me and follow the socialist policies we set up and all will be fine.’ Well, it never has been fine, and today it is way worse than usual. Why are socialist policies always such good ideas that they have to mandated with the government’s gun to our heads?

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  17. Walt Avatar

    Speaking of bamboozles,
    http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/terence-p-jeffrey/ponzi-treasury-issues-1t-new-debt-8-weeks-pay-old-debt
    When will some people go to jail for this ponzi game? Maybe JoeK can explain the LIB mindset about this, and how it’s great for the economy.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar

    So George, you are agaisnt taxpayer subsidies for Oil companies. Jeez, the Koch brothers may have a problem with that and cutoff bucks to the pubbers if they actually were to promote that policy.
    “In dollar figures, that’s a whopping $110 billion going to big companies. Fortune 500 firms alone receive more than 16,000 subsidies at a total cost of $63 billion.
    These kinds of handouts, of course, are the definition of government intervention in the market. Nonetheless, those who receive the subsidies are still portrayed as free-market paragons.
    Consider Charles and David Koch. Their company, Koch Industries, has relied on $88 million worth of government handouts. Yet, as the major financiers of the anti-government right, the Kochs are still billed as libertarian free-market activists.”
    http://inthesetimes.com/article/16362/the_real_welfare_queens

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    JoKe, maybe it would help if you’d list the industries you think aren’t “sustainable”, and if you’d accept that usual and customary accounting rules in determining “income” subject to tax aren’t “subsidies”, we could talk.
    Oil and gas are perfectly sustainable without centralized command and control thwarting their extraction and use if you have not drunk the koolaid over AGW and trust relatively free and open markets will eventually force prices to rise to the point where even expensive technologies like wind and solar are an economical alternative.
    Regulate emissions of real pollutants like heavy metals and nitrogen oxides, not fake pollutants like CO2.
    Paul, once again you’re using a corrupted definition of subsidy. If you want to take away all the accounting gimmicks of all businesses, I’m all for it. Get rid of the corporation income tax and instead, tax the income that goes to the owners. If it’s in a 401k or a pension fund, it’ll get taxed when the owner retires and starts taking income. If Teresa Heinz Kerry owns it, every penny she and her boytoy spend will get taxed at a better rate than the Feds get from ExxonMobil.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 29 November 2014 at 02:52 PM
    Lets see…..George says he’s against subsidies and then you go on a rant against the Koch Bros. Are you saying George is in some way affiliated with or a spokesperson for Koch Industries?

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Back on the subsidies rant again? Speaking of which, just think of the subsidized businesses that will pop up if prevailing wadge is implemented. Hell! look at all the “subsidized” illegals we now have.

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  22. Walt Avatar

    BTW. Paul forgets about our SUBSIDIZED health care. (But that’s different)

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Hey, is KVMR getting a subsidy? Probably.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    Fish 03:55
    I never implied anything like that. I was just inquiring how deep George’s convictions are on subsidies and noting that position might not be popular with those sucking the government tit and paying bib bucks to both party’s to insure the cash flow continues.
    Todd
    You can stop by KVMR’s office anytime and get the lowdown on KVMF subsidies. Our books are open to the public. If you care about that issue check it out.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    So KVMR does get subsidies from the taxpayers?

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Paul’s response to fish has me a bit confused. It appears Paul has no problem with subsidies and his on;y beef is that R’s do too?

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 29 November 2014 at 05:55 PM
    I never implied anything like that.
    Sure you did…..right here.
    So George, you are agaisnt taxpayer subsidies for Oil companies. Jeez, the Koch brothers may have a problem with that and cutoff bucks to the pubbers if they actually were to promote that policy.
    If TEAM EVIL was so concerned about subsidies to oil companies why didn’t they do something about them when they held the whip hand over both houses and the executive? Right….I know….I know…. you’ll never vote for either party again…..so you’re off the hook even though you appear to lean way left when you choose to assign blame. Apparently the extra burden of proof remains on George since the Koch Bros still receive government tax breaks and resource extraction subsidies even though he has publicly stated he’s not in favor of them.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    George is the one opposed to subsidies so the question needs to go to him. I was just speculating on the political fallout of such a position not my view of subsidies.
    Yes, I will never vote for a Democrat or Republican again. They are both bought and sold by special interests and are nothing more than collection agencies for special interest money. They (the Republicrats} are the status quo and it’s incredibly naive to believe they in any way represent the best interests of the American people.

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 641pm – I have almost eight years of postings that make my position clear on government subsidies, and they are also covered in my credo. But you have shown a weakness for not being very specific about what is and is not a subsidy. Progressives, for example, know how much tax everyone should pay. And if they don’t pay that magic number, then they are called out for getting a government subsidy. I believe that the last time we circled this barn you showed that you were similarly afflicted.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Prevailing wage??? I once worked for prevailing wage doing a roof on the robot building at JPL., a few blue moons ago. The contract said “not to exceed”…. Basically 10 times what the job should cost. The idiot scientist/gov’t employee who designed the simple hot tar flat roof had come up little details for the edges that were not even on the market. Had to have a special run on stripping done cause the roof called for 6″ cant strips while every manufacture made 4”. That only took 6 months to acquire during rainy season, lol.
    Feeling the designer was perhaps unknowledgeable with roofing, I was comforted that the plumber was having the same issue. The specs of the simple toilet called for in the robot lab did not exist anywhere in the world, which put the building behind another 9 months and it was a small building. Now I can see special toilets for robots to use, but human lab rats?
    I got my prevailing wage for hurry up and wait. Talk about while collar welfare. Those 100 dollar manual impact devices ( a hammer) are no joke. Nowadays the don’t cost that much but Uncle Sam pays 400 bucks for the shipping costs of 4 manual impact devises. Wonder how much one toilet here on Earth costed the taxpayers.

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  31. Russ Steele Avatar

    I was on a plane with a stop over in Denver. The guy next to me was coming to Denver for a problem with the new Denver Airport roof leaking. He said the problem as that the Airport authority insisted that they tar the roof in the winter. I told them the tar would not stick to a cold roof, but they insisted, now they want my company to fix the roof. It as a government decision, and we responded in writing it was not a good idea, he said, now we are arguing with the insurance company and the airport as to who was responsible.
    Any good roofer knows hat you cannot put hot tar on a cold rood and expect it to seal properly, except government project managers who were under political pressure to finish the job. I wonder if the Denver Airport roof is still leaking? I wonder if the Denver Airport was build to LEED standards?

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar

    Well there you go again George. After speaking boldly about the evils of government subsidies you not so deftly dodge discussion of whether that includes the Big Oil Bros who contribute millions to Republican politics who keep the cash flowing to their Repub supporters in congress.

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “the Big Oil Bros”
    It does appear the mostly Dem and Green foes of affordable fossil energy need the Koch Bros. just as much 1984’s Oceania Ingsoc party needed Emmanuel Goldstein, and for the same reasons.

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  34. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    I always get a big kick out of these who’s-got-their-hands-in-the-government’s-pockets rants. First, there are the quotes of huge amounts of money but never a reference or even a mention of whether it’s doled out annually, monthly or semi-minutely. And of course it’s the other side’s guys who are most guilty.
    What really gets me, though, is that nobody seems to want to lay the blame where it really belongs: The legislators. These people stand up with their right hand aloft and swear that they are going to play by the rules and then go around brokering their power as if there was an established exchange. If not for politicians giving it away nobody would be getting it!
    Regardless of what you think of him, Reagan was correct. Government is not the answer. Government is the problem.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    More bad news for the Mean Green Machine. Everybody receives the equillevent of a tax cut or pay raise.
    http://247wallst.com/energy-economy/2014/11/29/eight-states-where-gas-will-drop-below-2/
    Quick, stop this madness. It’s hurting the master plan.

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  36. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Pick a topic, any topic you choose. “Hypocrites!”, cries Paul, “you all are hypocrites.”

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  37. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “It does appear the mostly Dem and Green foes of affordable fossil energy need the Koch Bros. just as much 1984’s Oceania Ingsoc party needed Emmanuel Goldstein, and for the same reasons.”
    That is a peculiar thing. They seem tailor-made for the gig. Although they rank far down in the pantheon of heavy hitter donors, the fact that you can attach a face to the money (and the ever clever Koch = ‘cock’ jokes) seems to count for a lot with the hoi polloi.
    It’s just flat more difficult to cook up a proper Two Minutes Hate against a faceless organization like the NEA or large .gov unions.

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1033pm – I don’t know if there is treatment for short attention spans, but it’s worth looking into. You have been doing this barn circling for years now. When we answer your question, then next month you ask it again, accusing commenters for “deftly dodging discussion” of the subject. Such tactics really don’t let the debate develop or move ahead. I notice some of your ideological cohort here is similarly afflicted.
    But then again, you may just be too lazy to search RR for ‘subsidies’, or just go to my credo. It must be a lot more fun just to keep ragging someone, although I really don’t see the joy of it.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Those darn shadow government Koch Brothers. Ooga Booga. Scary. They are such evilllll men. They fund those darn people running for office who want more freedom for the individual. Oh my. Lions and tigers and bears.
    Cracks me up. Paul Emery and his band of lefties just can’t hack success. The brothers employ 60,000 Americans, pay them a good wage and supply many needed goods and services. Yet because they support, GASP! Conservatives, they are very bad boys. You just can’t make this stuff up!

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  40. fish Avatar
    fish

    That is a peculiar thing. They seem tailor-made for the gig. Although they rank far down in the pantheon of heavy hitter donors, the fact that you can attach a face to the money (and the ever clever Koch = ‘cock’ jokes) seems to count for a lot with the hoi polloi.
    I think this is an excellent point! The same segment of the population that reveled in the “Bushitler” labels go into a spittle flicked crazy rage when similar labels are directed at their guy!

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  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    It must be a lot more fun just to keep ragging someone, although I really don’t see the joy of it.
    Maybe you’re not doing it right George. 😉

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

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    blockquote>Efficacious as this approach can prove to be, one can’t help but notice that the Kochs are a peculiar choice of popinjay. Certainly, the pair vehemently opposes the Democratic party’s core economic agenda, which, in the waning days of Obama’s influence, consists of defending Obamacare, instituting a carbon tax, and refusing steadfastly to do anything about the federal government’s spending problem. But the Kochs are not as simple as the hysteria would have them be. Indeed, even the lightest of research reveals them to be in favor of gay marriage, of drug legalization, of reforming and expanding the immigration system, of withdrawing troops from the Middle East, of cutting defense spending, of curbing the NSA’s overreach, and of helping to balance the budget by raising (some) taxes — all of which, it presumably doesn’t need spelling out, are positions that the Democratic party purports to support. Among the “shadowy” groups to which the Kochs have contributed are the ACLU (which received $20 million from the duo to support its work against the PATRIOT Act), a variety of cancer-research foundations, and a wide range of museums, musical venues, and art galleries.
    Strangely enough, Senator Reid has never complained that the voices of those who would defend the PATRIOT Act are being “drowned out” by a flood of corporate money, nor has he questioned the public spirit of those Americans who have joined the fight to legalize pot, redefine marriage, declare an amnesty, or alter the nation’s foreign policy. (Michael Bloomberg’s $19 million gun-control push, for example, appears to have escaped his notice, as has Tom Steyer’s recently announced plan to spend $100 millon dollars helping candidates who agree with him on climate change.) All told, one cannot help but wonder whether this has less to do with Reid’s taking a principled stance against “money in politics” and more do with the Kochs’ decision to give nine out of ten of their contributed dollars to party in which Senator Reid does not serve and whose electoral success could see him imminently relegated to the minority.
    One wonders, too, why Reid and his friends remain so quiet about campaign financing that doesn’t originate in Wichita, Kansas. The brothers’ “reach,” Alternet’s Adele M. Stan screamed in 2011, “is probably greater than you thought possible,” extending “into virtually every aspect of political, economic and physical life on the planet.”​ And yet, omnipresent as they are, the duo has not yet managed to corrupt Open Secrets, the non-partisan contribution tracker that rather inconveniently revealed last month that the Koch Brothers barely scrape into the list of the top sixty all-time political donors and, too, that of the 58 organizations that are ahead of them, 48 were described as being politically between “solidly Democrat” and “sitting on the fence”; that six of the top ten were unions; and that Democrats benefited disproportionately from all but two of the most prolific 20 contributors.

    From drivebyposters link……I think the bolded passage is most relevant…instituting a carbon tax….take away the lefts ability to spend and they evaporate like so much mist on a warm day! Revenue from a carbon tax was to be the last big spending spigot to be turned on…the last entitlement support structure.
    Without it….? Well, you saw what happened in the last election when you hit people in the pocketbook so cavalierly.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Where there is a will, there is a way. What we have here is a failure to communicate….communicate the truth. Sneaky ally Japan is up to its old tricks again. First they reclassified their whaling fleet as scientific research vessels which drove our dear friends over at Greenpeace up the wall. Now that Japan has joined the fight against man made Global Frying, they are sure to drive the Greenies livid….livid as in changing colors. This will turn them from seeing green to seeing red. All those billions being doled out and, per usual, the fox is guarding the henhouse. I may be wrong, but I got an inkling that somebody from the Mean Green Machine just got bamboozled.
    http://santamariatimes.com/news/world/climate-funds-for-coal-highlight-lack-of-un-rules/article_6ce159f9-55e6-5aef-b604-87ede309c599.html

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    Here’s a question of PaulE and friends – when the government wants a private company to do something that they would not otherwise do, and it makes a deal with the company to do that by paying it money, is that then considered a subsidy? Is the government allowed to make such ‘procurements’?

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  45. Walt Avatar

    George. Would that include paying farmers NOT to grow a given crop? I do recall the government demanding some farmers to let the fields go fallow. Just which crops I forget at the moment.

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 828am – The difference in the two kinds of deals here is highlighted by your use of “demanding”. I was referring only to a contract 1) initiated by the government, and 2) one into which both parties entered willingly. We’re not talking about the government telling farmers how much of what to grow, and then paying the farmers what it considered to be fair recompense.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane, in your scenario, I would not call it extortion nor blackmail because the private enterprise receives some sort of compensation in the form of cash, credits, tax breaks, no interest no risk loans, etc. I would not call it hush money either because the private enterprise has to do something besides keeping quiet and never mentioning it. So, what shall we call it? How about “horse head in bed.” It even rhymes which would make The Reverends Jackson, Wright, and Sharpton find the term agreeable. Horse head in bed is what community organizers and union thugs do best. Perhaps a dear reader can come up with a better noun than subsidy.

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  48. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 907am – Mr Tozer, do I understand that when the godfather makes you deal that you cannot refuse, that is not extortion? When someone with a gun says to you that he will pay you a dime on the dollar, that is not extortion?

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