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The Berlin Wall came down 25 years ago today.  Many people are celebrating that milestone in human history, but Vladimir Putin rues the day as the beginning of greatest human tragedy of the 20th century which ended the horrors of the USSR and its spreading of international communism.  As a young lieutenant stationed in Germany in the early 1960s I took a weekend leave with Jo Ann to visit a divided and tense Berlin.  Because of my job and security clearances – at the time the S-2 (intelligence officer) of our only STRAC nuclear capability artillery battalion in Europe – we had to travel on the daily diplomatic train from Frankfurt to Berlin.  By the Potsdam treaty the train was a rolling piece of US sovereign territory that was sealed before entering East Germany and again unsealed in the western zone of Berlin.  The trip across the leading exemplar of communism’s workers’ paradise (the USSR and other places were much worse) was an eye-opener for those who had just read about what communism does to a people.  In Berlin we went to the Brandenburg Gate and stood looking across The Wall; the difference between the two sides of the same city was stunning.  (It would be another 25 years until from the same spot President Reagan would demand, “Mr Gorbachov, tear down this wall!”)  While most visitors to West Berlin were allowed to tour East Berlin on busses; because of my status, I was not.  The most chilling part of the visit was Checkpoint Charlie where a platoon of our mainline battle tanks faced their equivalents in the Red Army, separated by about 100 yards with their leveled main guns pointed at each other.  WW3 was literally a trigger pull away in those days.  It was quite a weekend.

Today President Obama finally admits to a very peculiar responsibility of his administration in the Democrats’ devastating loss last Tuesday.  On ‘Face the Nation’ he finally acknowledged that his party had taken a drubbing, and as its leader he was culpable, saying, “… the buck stops right here at my desk.”  But the problem for the nation is that the man doesn’t understand that his demonstrated policies were rejected on their substance.  Instead he believes it has only been a problem in communicating his “good ideas” to the American people – in other words, he didn’t put enough lipstick on that herd of pigs that he and his let loose on the country.

[update]  Congressman Xavier Becerra (D-CA) on Fox News Sunday demonstrated the utter contempt in which Democrats hold their own constituents’ intellectual capacity.  Reporting on Friday’s lunch at the White House, Becerra was asked about what topics were discussed around the table.  He said that because Speaker Boehner raised the comprehensive immigration issue with regards to Obama’s threatened executive order to end-run of Congress, that there was no time for the President to talk about anything else – Obama took the entire allocated time to talk about immigration reform.

‘Allocated time’??!!  Yes, you see according to Becerra their lunch had a time limit because Obama had a scheduled Pentagon presentation by high ranking military officers for right after the lunch.  Utter bullshit!  When you have the newly and historically elected leaderships of a heretofore multi-year dysfunctional Congress assembled specifically to come together and talk about the way forward for the next two years, the Commander-in-Chief can and should have his row of four-star generals standing at parade rest outside the dining room door with their pocketed powerpoints for as long as it takes – even if the meeting needs to go on until 1AM the next morning.  To tell the nation’s Democrat voters – no Republican would be dumb enough to swallow such crap – that this important meeting was time limited because of a previously scheduled military briefing simply boggles any reasonable mind so exposed (which, of course, excludes the sheeple who voted for and continue to worship their messiah).

Given these shaky beginnings, I don’t see anything possible for the next two years except for the Repubs to do everything they can to stop the business-as-usual from the White House as soon as possible.

[10nov14 update]  Harvey Silvergate in ‘Liberals Are Killing the Liberal Arts’ brings us up to date on the latest efforts to shut down free speech and discussion of issues in our universities have become little more than conclaves of collectivist thought and socialist propaganda.  Silvergate opens with –

On campuses across the country, hostility toward unpopular ideas has become so irrational that many students, and some faculty members, now openly oppose freedom of speech. The hypersensitive consider the mere discussion of the topic of censorship to be potentially traumatic. Those who try to protect academic freedom and the ability of the academy to discuss the world as it is are swimming against the current. In such an atmosphere, liberal-arts education can’t survive.

He then goes into some detail on a truly unbelievable albeit fully documented conference at Smith College named “Challenging the Ideological Echo Chamber: Free Speech, Civil Discourse and the Liberal Arts”.  The principal exchanges (including the now de rigueur use of ‘Trigger Warnings’) and their aftermath at both Smith and Holyoke illustrate the long-known ‘freedom and liberty are only one generation deep’, and could have taken place at any of the party educational meetings that workers were required to attend in the USSR.  Silvergate concludes –

Hypersensitivity to the trauma allegedly inflicted by listening to controversial ideas approaches a strange form of derangement—a disorder whose lethal spread in academia grows by the day. What should be the object of derision, a focus for satire, is instead the subject of serious faux academic discussion and precautionary warnings. For this disorder there is no effective quarantine. A whole generation of students soon will have imbibed the warped notions of justice and entitlement now handed down as dogma in the universities.

[11nov14 update]  Gas prices are down, and guess who wants to assign credit to whom?  It's the lamebrained lackeys of the same Messiah who promised to raise energy prices through the roof, worked his tail off to accomplish same, continues to impede developments to lower energy costs, and promises to also transform that part of our economy.  But fracking on private lands (government lands are a no-no) has produced a surfeit of gas and oil to the extent that huge tankers now lie at anchor in bays across the world, used as floating storage tanks because the land-based ones are full.  Isn't central planning wonderful?

[12nov14 update]  Germans land instrumented probe on comet.  This is a big deal that has been ten years in the making.  Mission controllers in Darmstadt announced that the spacecraft Rosetta, orbiting in formation with comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, had successfully launched and now landed its probe Philae on the comet's surface.  We are now in great anticipation awaiting the first picture taken by Philae from the comet's surface.  As a lifelong worker in the control & estimation field (I am a California professional engineer in the Control Theory field, and a former DoD 'missile scientist'), my hat is off to the engineers who calculated and controlled the very complex sun-orbital maneuvers Rosetta executed during its ten-journey to 'sync up' with the comet, and then precisely aim, release, and control Philae to a soft landing in a 500m diameter area.  The last worry is that Philae will land on the edge of a boulder and tip over, thereby screwing up the lander part of the Rosetta mission.  Realtime control is not possible since the whole thing is taking place about 26 light-minutes from earth, so the problem is being solved locally by an onboard Bayesian brain.  (more here)

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95 responses to “Ruminations – 9nov14 (updated 12nov14)”

  1. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 854am – I also look forward to a dissertation from you on the future of America as a sovereign nation-state and the survival of the Westphalian world order. People of the Left, especially of the political bent, do not want to expose their thoughts on these matters for obvious reasons. You have long claimed to walk on a leftward road less traveled; perhaps this path will allow you to share such a vision with readers. If you wish, we could again post your thoughts as a byline in these pages so that they could get a dedicated airing.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    JoeK, why do you resort to calling me a name? My sisters used to call me that when I was 10. You cry that I attack “liberals” and whne that I hate them then turn around and denigrate my name. You are the prime example of what is wrong with a liberal. Total hypocrite! America tossed your sorry policies and your sorry reps out on their ear last week. You are a vacuous ideology. I simply point that pout. But as usual, I speak of LIBS in general and you lovelies attack personally. I would suggest you and Ben and Paul and Kesti grow up and get out of the namecalling of people and stick to your banished ideology. Now do what you libs do best, point out my spelling errors. Too funny!

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ben Emery, yes, I am celebrating the rise of a wall that may be able to keep the terrorists out. You know, those guys that crucify little kids and cut off the heads of anyone who disagrees with them. Yep, get that wall up and KEEP OUT those that will come chop off your head. You can thank me later.

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  4. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    There is always justifications for “walls” from those who are fearful but my point still remains, the irony of it.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George is Obama in China oir the orient today? Isn’t he usually away on Veterans Day?

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ben, to you there is no justification that is justifiable when it comes to borders and national security. Your greater good violates the role of the Chief Executive as per the Constitution of the United States. I suppose you are trying to recompense others in other countries for part in being a card carrying member of the oppressive ruling class. The irony is that you advocate trampling on the rights of a sovereign nation while bigots like moi advocate the rights on a sovereign nation, though you will never ever see it that way. Tell me, what rights does any non legal resident have concerning a wall? What say do they have in the matter? They have their opinions and their opinions are important to them, not me. The opinions that matter most are the voices of the citizens of our sovereign nation. Legal residents and illegal residents alike cannot vote. Me thinks you have a problem with those two little words “sovereign nation.” Or maybe those 4 little words that are your trump card against all arguments; “white oppressive ruling class”. Your trump card keeps you in everlasting tension, turmoil, and discontent.
    The irony is you are part of the minority that pursues trampling on every US citizen’s rights under your prevented theme of global social justice. Two wrongs don’t make a right, pun intended.

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  7. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Bill,
    “Ben, to you there is no justification that is justifiable when it comes to borders and national security.”
    Correct, this is one of the places I am in agreement with American libertarianism.
    “The irony is you are part of the minority that pursues trampling on every US citizen’s rights under your prevented theme of global social justice. Two wrongs don’t make a right, pun intended.”
    My position is actual the inversion of this statement. I believe in natural rights of all citizens on earth. That means I fight the oppressive policies either by governments or big business anywhere on the planet.
    I believe government has some basic services it must serve and that is about it. I am actually a republican in philosophy but when we build a nation state out of individual regions with artificial lines recognized for legal a.k.a. taxation purposes, a federal government is needed. This is where the indigenous people of the planet had/ have it correct and “civilized” societies fail. That is where the conundrum lies. The founders struggled with it and we continue to struggle with it today. How can a government body in DC possible understand how to govern in Texas, CA, Wyoming, HI, Alaska, or any other state that isn’t found in Northeast US? They can’t and that is why it fails so miserable. Then lets extend that out internationally and the understanding and execution becomes even worse.

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  8. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Here’s a secret, I am actually a traditional libertarian that is trapped in a huge nation and am forced to recognize the plight of all its people even though I do not know or even understand their cultures. There is power in numbers but with that power comes responsibility and much compromise. I cannot claim to be an American (USA) and pretend it is OK that in regions of our country government bodies discriminate, suppress, or even oppress the natural rights of my countrymen/ women. If I am forced to deal with a federal government than I am going to do everything I can that government works in the interest of the most people possible.
    It is that simple.
    Big Business literally equates to a voluntary() dictatorship/ kingdom. A small few make the rules of those who labor at creating the service/ product. Those who labor fought and finally won the ability to have a say in their work conditions and not have to risk their life to earn a living.
    Prior to Obamacare If I needed to have health insurance because I have a condition and my insurance is through my work I don’t have much of choice but to stay since no other insurance would have picked me up. I would have cost them more money than they could have made off of me. This is why health care, especially the insurance portion, cannot be for profit and is not in any other industrialized nation on the planet.
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    )Many times it is forced by necessity.

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I am actually a traditional libertarian that [sic] is trapped in a huge nation and am forced to recognize the plight of all its people”
    Ben, your delusions never fail to amaze. So, all that it takes for a “traditional libertarian” to become a coersive progressive is to be cursed with empathy for one’s fellow man?

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  10. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Ben Emery, I asked a question of you yesterday that you did not answer. In light of the things you have said today my question still seems relevant so I will ask again.
    Do you lock your home’s doors and windows when away and/or while you sleep?

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  11. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Greg,
    Whatever!
    I promote local economies, small business, family farms/ agriculture, bio regionalism, and self determination while denouncing federal violations of our civil liberties in the name of security, monopolistic industries, imperialistic foreign policies, military empire, the Federal Reserve, and war on drugs to name a few. What would you call it?
    I doubt you ever thought about politics deep enough to understand what and why you stand for anything. From what I have gathered you are out to prove you are the smartest guy in the room at all costs. That accounts for your embarrassing tirades against the most minute things about the person you are trying to slay(metaphorically).

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    Until civilized (and structured) society came along, ALL “indigenous people” enjoyed lives that, as Thomas Hobbes observed, were “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short”. And most of them living in such pristine conditions today suffer from a similar fate. It took judicious social structures that encouraged specialization and risk-leavened rewards to lift such indigenous people to a state from which no one wishes to return to their former fates.
    It seems that those deprived of the history of the human condition are the ones who long for days that never were. They are the descendants of that most blinded of influential naïfs Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

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  13. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    Hobbes with his superiority complex described a free people over suppressive/ oppressive governance. Isn’t that your desired claim?

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  14. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Michael,
    I have no idea who you are or what your intent might be for such information. Please state the intent for needing this information.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 250pm – not even close Ben. While some misgoverned people did suffer as did your free indigenous people, it was the primitively organized indigenous classes that really made life hell for their brethren. The historical examples of this overflow – start with Africa, go across the Americas, and then through Micronesia (or Oceania). These turkeys spent so much time in internecine warfare and being brutish with their neighbors, that they never even conceived of the wheel and were found still dragging their loads or rolling them over logs 5,000+ years after the rest of the civilized world had cracked the code and gone on to other developments. There was little noble about the savage.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ben, I finally get it. Finally. At first I thought you were like The Occupy Drum Majorettes who wanted to get rid of money and burn down the big banks and big businesses and not pay for anything cause it should be free and given to the people.
    finally, with the help of Greg’s post, I get it. It’s not your fault. You were born with an oversized heart and you must speak up for all cultures even if you don’t understand squat about them. Because you where born with an oversized heart organ, what else can you do but fight for the oppressed. You are their mouthpiece, their voice on this cruel hostile alien planet known by some as Earth. You speak for them, all of them, even when not asked by them to be their spokesperson, their defender, their Shining Path.
    It’s not your fault, you were born that way. I know you are fighting for them, all of them without ever leaving Nevada County. It’s amazing. You have a global reach from your easy chair. I know a couple of reservations I can get you on up North. I will leave you there with the opposed, the ones who have suffered great injustice……your people. I am welcomed there, but I will just sit outside and see if you make it out without being stabbed and sliced up within 26 minutes. Jeez Louise, some poor folk have absolutely no gratitude for that big o heart of yours and what you are trying to do for them…..They prefer to show you want they want to do to you, not for you. These aren’t the peaceful acorn gatherers you are used to.
    Well, I am so glad I finally get where you are coming from. See ya in the hobo camps my fellow train tramp. We need you. We need you to fight for us no matter where we are….Fight the good Benjamin. Do not faint, do not give up, do not despair no matter how tiresome the road becomes. Fight for the little guy, Benjamin, fight hard all your people, each and every one, from your easy chair of course.
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-america-still-world-leader-in-manufacturing,37413/

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  17. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Bill,
    The funny thing is with your sarcastic post it is the truth. I fight for good strong local policies that allow us to keep the state and federal governments at arms length while being an activist against national and international policies. I truly believe in natural rights of all people not just when it is convenient for me. Having cheap goods made off the sweat and sometimes slave labor of others is never ok, no matter how inexpensive it makes the goods. So when people are discriminated against in the South or anywhere in the US that is my country and that is wrong. When Walmart, Microsoft, Apple, GE, ect… go around the planet exploiting people those are representatives of our country/ community along with our economy and that is wrong.

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  18. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Ben Emery 11Nov14 02:52 PM
    My intent is make a logical argument concerning the building of some walls. In the hope that it makes you feel better about answering I will tell you that I lock my home’s doors and windows when I am away and while I sleep.

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  19. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    Are you kidding?
    You think they were better off after the “civilized” beings slaughtered them over land they did not own, died in huge numbers of disease they could not fight off, being forced into concentration camps/ reservations/ prisons to survive off of rotten rations, being enslaved, and a concerted effort to destroy any remnants of their culture they were trying to hang on to.
    Please explain to me in layman terms how this differs from brutal totalitarian regimes throughout history?

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE 340pm – Who said they were better off after the Europeans (and the Chinese) decided to conquer them and take their lands? I’m saying that they would have been better off had they had the wherewithal to ‘civilize’ themselves so that the invader/colonizers would not have been able to conquer them so brutally or at all. But the opportunities open to the progeny of those who took the first shock is now another matter. We know of no one who wants to go back to those days of pre-European invasions. Oh yes, there are some who would still want to cherry pick the Hollywoodized synthesis of the noble savage life style, but that is a dream of a dream.
    Remember, human life was not as precious then as we claim it is now. In those days everyone knew the privileges of conquerors, and fate of the conquered. And then again, human life is still not as precious as claimed today. In this pages I have catalogued the human losses of just one century, losses which overwhelm the best estimates of the many who were killed going back to the dawn of recorded history. Your only point for promoting short and brutish lifestyles is that such people didn’t have the organization or technology to kill wholesale, which by their own words and deeds would they have done were they better prepared. Their small but incessant killings had to be accomplished inefficiently in retail. Nevertheless, kill they did, and sufficiently so as to keep their numbers insignificant when their conquerors arrived.

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  21. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    George 241pm I could not find a reference to Hobbs having been in America, so it sounds like he was making some sweeping generalizations here about American Indians (a.k.a. talking out his ass).
    http://www.egs.edu/library/thomas-hobbes/biography/
    Also, Hobbs did not say “ALL” indigenous people…
    “For the savage people in many places of America, except the government of small families the concord whereof dependeth on natural lust, have no government at all, and live at this day in that brutish manner as I said before.” -“Leviathan”
    I do like this quote from Hobbs –
    “The passions that incline men to peace are fear of death, desire of such things as are necessary to commodious living, and a hope by their industry to obtain them.”

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  22. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    Talk about hollywoodization of history. There are actually oral histories of indigenous people that have been transcribed onto paper since the invention of the typewriter that don’t paint the 24/7 of fear, warfare, and hardship you seem to think they lived under. Maybe you should try and research the issue before you make any more comments on “savages”.
    Here is what Benjamin Franklin had to say about the Iroquois Nation and their governance, which by the way was one of the models of what Thomas Jefferson among others envisioned when thinking about how the future democratic republic was going to be set up.
    You will like Franklin’s language
    “It would be a strange thing if Six Nations of ignorant savages should be capable of forming a scheme for such an union, and be able to execute it in such a manner as that it has subsisted ages and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like union should be impracticable for ten or a dozen English colonies, to whom it is more necessary and must be more advantageous, and who cannot be supposed to want an equal understanding of their interests.”-1751 Benjamin Franklin
    What I have come to realize on Rebane Ruminations is most you guys don’t know shit about American history and even less about world history.
    This link has the language of resolution with links to the actual document.
    http://fnx.org/blog/iroquois-confederacy-foundation-united-states-constitution

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    BradC 418pm and BenE 525pm – First, thank you for this exchange.
    History has been a passion, and I have had the privilege of studying under the personal tutelage of greats like Page Smith. But schools have changed their versioning of American history, and popular interpretations of anthropological ‘science’ from authors like Jared Diamond have put quite a politically correct caste on the human journeys that brought us here.
    The accomplishments of indigenous peoples’ achievement (including the Six Nations you cite) can be still be summarized by two simple metrics – their population counts, and their apparent intellectual inability to invent the wheel in a 5,000 year period subsequent to the invention by Eurasian civilizations (there are more, but this is merely a comment rebuttal).
    And as I have pointed out for the last eight years, the history that you and yours embrace does in no way reflect the history that inform me and mine. I also have had the (mis)fortune and years to witness that of which I study and speak, and recountings from close friends and relatives who have witnessed and lived through even more. From my perch, you both have no idea of what you speak when it comes to what really happened and how deprived humans behave, especially when in threat of their lives.
    So all we can do is continue our attempts to attract the pre-informed readers to our own Weltanschauungen. But I do appreciate the illustrative and illuminating dialogue.

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    <i.Posted by: Ben Emery | 11 November 2014 at 05:25 PM
    Where are the links to the original? I see three links to a congressional resolution.

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  25. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George,
    I to know and have spoken with dozens of people who have experienced atrocities in Europe, Asia, and Americas. My mom was an adult ESL teacher who had many political refugees from Reagan era from the Americas. For a while our family was trying to help one of her students find her siblings who were most likely murdered by the Negroponte(Reagan) death squads. I have been opposed to US foreign policy especially when it comes to our military since the mid 80’s and is why I am such a fierce activist and against any use of military action except in times of self defense. I know it isn’t just the US Pentagon and Military it is done in many many nations.
    While on one of my trips to Cambodia I’ve talked with at least a dozen people who were teenagers and watched the mass murdering take place. I visited their holocaust museum Tuol Sleng in Phnom Penh where people were tortured until they confessed to whatever the torturers wanted to hear. http://www.tuolsleng.com/
    Also one of my Aunts is 100% Sioux and grew up on a reservation with horror stories. Hopefully I can get her to come next year to Indigenous Peoples Day in Nevada County.
    If you really like history I am telling you to read Howard Zinns book. It is well researched and sourced. It doesn’t tell the entire story but it definitely tells the story from a different perspective than what you were taught in school and all through university years. Taught from the side of those on the losing side of battles. Up until Zinn book the victors always got to tell and shape the history that would be taught.

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  26. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Oh, Ben – “Taught from the side of those on the losing side of battles. Up until Zinn book the victors always got to tell and shape the history that would be taught.”
    So – lots of boo hoo tales from the poor NAZIs and Tojos boys? Right. I didn’t think so. So much for that BS.
    You claim you are all about local control – this county likes to vote for conservative Republicans. So when are you going to get in line and help? Suddenly you don’t like what you just claimed you like.
    Walls are for the frightened? So if your house has walls, I guess you are one cowered little dog.
    You claim you are a libertarian? I’m glad I’m not drinking milk while reading that! You have no idea what a libertarian is. Your own idea of what the fed govt should do is the exact opposite of what the libertarian idea is.

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  27. George Rebane Avatar

    Ben 832pm – not sure how that commentary contradicts or adds to what we are discussing, other than the presumption that those experiences confirm your worldview. So there you have it – how two people can have wildly divergent belief systems all corroborated by their education and life experiences. Hard to change anything there.
    However, there is a test we can give ourselves on an ongoing basis. What is the predictive power of our belief system? That is the prime test i constantly apply to the tenets of my credo. When things occur in the world (or my life), did my belief system enable me to predict that. For the contingencies about which I did not have timely data, a retrospective analysis will serve when that data later becomes known.
    A recent example would have been the success of Obamacare. As witnessed in these pages, my early and ongoing assessment of its failure based on my explicated beliefs is a matter of record. And millions of progressives across the land had no clue that this disaster was coming once its inception was known – in other words, their belief system about social organization and governance under our established system was and continues to be totally faulty. Yet they are sanguine and without hesitation continue to proclaim their abilty to see the future, and prescribe for the rest of us. That I could not do.

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  28. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    George and everyone,
    11 November 2014 at 09:12 PM
    Fair commentary but I would disagree on language, as usual. Progressives are very different than liberals, there are areas of overlap in political views but very different in implementation. True progressives like myself, I would say Reinette Senum, and those like Ralph Nader all promote strong local- economies, small business, community participation, and governance(not big but rather effective) over state/ federal law. The more self sufficient we are as a region the less interference from state / federal. The same goes with big business/ chain/ franchise economics. Keep the wealth of the community in the community. When the need for large institutional services/ goods (government or business) come into play, we need very strict oversight to keep the focus on the overall health of the region. Not to relinquish authority to or export our wealth outside of the region. I know that means if other regions did the same we would not have the tourism here. Just think about relying on a tourist based economy for moment. Is there any less stable environment than that? The fact of the matter is Nevada County as does most regions has their attractions that people will travel to see or experience. The fall colors come every year, the river continues to flow ect… If we controlled our own region more both legally and economically the tourism would be the bonus the part not part of the main revenue. Actually by being a retirement community we receive the wealth of other regions by those who earn that wealth over a lifetime and decide to settle in our neck of the woods to live out their days in this life.
    The reason why I listed a few experiences was to point out my distrust of big/ authoritarian style government and the paid military working under a veil of secrecy. I don’t think most people think of secret death squads, torture, and covert actions creating unstable and deadly conditions in sovereign nations when they hold up an American Flag praising our military. And please don’t mistake my distrust of the military having to do with rank and file men/ women of our armed forces. They are trained to follow orders and to trust the military hierarchy of command. I save my contempt for the Pentagon and the higher ups, especially the President of the United States of America.
    Military conquest switched from increasing power and wealth of monarchs/ government to big business using their undue influence in our government to have access of the US Military to increase their power and bottom lines. As outlined in Major General Smedley Butler’s floor speech “War is Racket”. This is nothing new.
    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
    As I wrote and Greg G poo pooed I don’t like big institutions of any kind but we live in a very big nation that has decided upon itself that we are uniquely exceptional nation and have authority over the entire planet whether that be with government or corporate authority. So my convictions and principles lead me to hold ALL large institutions accountable and the bigger the institution(government, religion, or business) gets the more responsibility to the general welfare of the people it inherits.
    Have a good winter and hopefully these last couple of days gives you and your regulars a better understanding of my philosophies and the difference between progressive(reform) and liberal(adding more) to the system. You can ask Crabb about my fb page and most of my arguments are with Democratic voters who I believe are loyal liberals that live in denial of what is going on. To them it is about Democrats vs. Republicans and I put the same amount if not more blame on the condition of our country and its policies because of their inability to hold the Democratic Party accountable.

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  29. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Scott,
    I am done for the winter on blogs and social media after today so I am not going to get into it with you but will make one statement and leave it there.
    The European or traditional libertarian are better described as libertarian socialism or social anarchism. It is what I consider myself as did Utah Philips and those of the enlightenment are described as being. Basically we have more of a horizontal society than a vertical. Worker Cooperative Economics is very good example of this idea in practice.
    All in this together
    How is the co-operative model coping with the recession?
    Mar 26th 2009 | Mondragón |
    http://www.economist.com/node/13381546
    You understandably are an American libertarian (Al)and believe that is what all libertarians believe. It is not! My guess you have never really studied or researched its roots and primarily count on CATO institute and things such as Ayn Rand books to form your definition of libertarianism. In fact if we want to talk about a unique trait of America its brand of libertarianism is a great place to go. I have spent way to much of the last 20 years of my life reading, debating, and practicing libertarian socialism. It has hints of (Al) in it but the philosophies are very different. (Al) in my opinion is obsessed with liberty of capital or capitalism. The part I agree with in (Al) comes with the civil liberties and the few issues on social liberty with drugs and tolerance of sexual preference. In my mid 20’s I left the Democratic Party over Clinton signing onto NAFTA in 1994 and what I later figured out was the Third Way strategy. I considered the American Libertarian Party. After researching the philosophies of the political party and (Al) I got turned onto the history of libertarianism. By the end of 1994 the Green Party was a better match, more in the tradition of libertarian socialism or social anarchism.
    Although I am not a big fan of citing Wikipedia it branches out and informs the reader of many different forms of libertarianism throughout the ages. This is a good jumping off point for you to start reading about the entire spectrum of styles of being libertarian.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism#Political_roots
    Have a good holiday season, especially a great Christmas if that is what you celebrate.
    Ben

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    Gregory

    “The European or traditional libertarian are better described as libertarian socialism or social anarchism.”
    It gets funnier and funnier; that’s what you get when you let Noam Chomsky define the language.
    No Ben, originally, libertarian just meant a belief in free will and a freedom from state control (with the monarch claiming to govern by the grace and authority of God).
    Mme. Guillotine was not libertarian though she also didn’t care much for aristocrats.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    What would RL Crabb write about it if wasn’t for this blog? The Sequel. LOL.
    C’mon jeffy…you represent a significant volume of the silly political antics occurring in your gentle Burgh. Cartoons frequently address these antics!
    Surely you can do the math?!
    Sounds lonely; he might be happier if he volunteered for something.
    Like what….washing you with a rag on a stick?

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I doubt you ever thought about politics deep enough to understand what and why you stand for anything. From what I have gathered you are out to prove you are the smartest guy in the room at all costs. That accounts for your embarrassing tirades against the most minute things about the person you are trying to slay(metaphorically).” -Ben, going off yesterday, 1PM-ish.
    That’s what I get for having a life and not paying attention here for a day. Ben, no, not holding your worldview is not evidence of not having thought deeply (or deeply enough) about either politics and history, and if you had more of the gifts of rationality, knowledge and patience you’d not reach so quickly for the argumentum ad hominem arrows in your quiver.
    I have some of those, too, and will just say this is the wrong place for you to be if you’ve a need to be the smartest person in the room.

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Pelline should appreciate the attention from Crabb. I do. I like that I am in his noggin all the time. Pelline is just exhibiting phony outrage. What a hoot!

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  34. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    Greg,
    “It gets funnier and funnier; that’s what you get when you let Noam Chomsky define the language.”
    You’re right, what would one of America’s most renown academics and an internationally honored pioneer of linguistics know about language.
    As usual Greg implies he is the smartest guy in the room by default. Greg knows more than Noam Chomsky about language and analytical philosophy of language. He knows more than the person that is the top or in the top five most influential people in the world on the subject, way to go Greg Goodnight. Can you guide me to a place where I can study your body of work on the subject of linguistics and libertarianism so I can compare with the amateur kook Chomsky. I wish I would have known earlier so I wouldn’t have wasted so much time and energy.
    Noam Chomsky Biography from The European Graduate School
    (which I am sure Greg Goodnight will deem as unimportant and useless)
    Excerpt-
    “In strictly academic circles Noam Chomsky is best known as the theoretician who came up with the theory of transformational generative grammar, which revolutionized cognitive and linguistic sciences in the middle of the twentieth century. Since then, it has had a very important impact on both the analytic philosophy take of philosophy of language and philosophy of mind, as distinct to the continental philosophy one. Philosophy of language investigates the use, nature and origins of language. Whereas philosophy of mind studies the nature of the mind, its properties, but also consciousness. We must think of what is known as the mind-body problem (Descartes), and particularly the discussion of the origin of knowledge common to both philosophy of language and philosophy of mind. The analytic and continental traditions approach each philosophy in ways that are significantly different.”

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    Re Chomsky. No one should confuse Noam Chomsky’s contributions to the study of language formalism with his socio-political ideology – areas of his mind that are well developed and may be considered quite independently of one another (orthogonal notions for short). But make no mistake that of the latter, Chomsky would be quite comfortable being put in the communist camp. He commits himself to that characterization on a regular basis with his essays on truthout.com, a political website (and one of my favorites) that at times seeks to make Marx look like a rightwinger.

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  36. Ben Emery Avatar
    Ben Emery

    The link to the entire Biogrphy
    http://www.egs.edu/library/noam-chomsky/biography/
    Final two paragraphs of the biography-
    Noam Chomsky, who has often defined himself as an “socialist anarchist” has been since the 60s one of the most active and most famous American intellectuals of the Left. As a pacifist he was one of the main opponents to the Vietnam War in the late 60s and today to the American-Israeli policy in the Middle East. As a supporter of the international anarcho-syndicalist movement and as a member of the Industrial Workers of the World union (IWW), he has published numerous books critical of imperialism and the United States’ foreign policy as well as the role of the media in Western democratic societies.
    As mentioned above, in those fields too he is the author of countless articles and books. Some of them include: The Responsibility of Intellectuals (1967). “Human Rights” and American Foreign Policy (1978). Pirates and Emperors: International Terrorism and the Real World (1986). Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media (1988). Terrorizing the Neighborhood: American Foreign Policy in the post-Cold War Era (1991). Democracy in a Neoliberal Order: Doctrines and Reality (1997). Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda (1997). Propaganda and the Public Mind (2001). Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky (2002). Power and Terror: Post-9/11 Talks and Interviews (2003). Perilous Power: The Middle East and US Foreign Policy: Dialogues on Terror, Democracy, War, and Justice (2006). Hopes and Prospects (2010). Making the Future: The Unipolar Imperial Moment (2010). Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel’s War Against the Palestinians (2010).

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  37. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    re Ben at 11:02 – I notice you make the common mistake about ‘liberties’. Capital and capitalism (also property) do not have rights or ‘liberty’ as you call it. Human Beings have rights and liberty is among those rights. If I do not have exclusive rights to my legally obtained wealth and property, then I am not much better than a slave. Any govt that decides to transfer wealth from one person to another with out the express and free consent of both parties is infringing on human rights. Obviously, we don’t live in a society that is absolute and so I do have some rights even yet. But those rights slip away in an ongoing fashion as more and more ‘rights’ (goodies) are discovered by a citizenry that has developed a nasty addiction to others’ wealth.
    You have good intentions Ben, but you don’t understand the lessons of history. Including any material good as a ‘right’ for people to have must include the ‘right’ of that people’s govt to seize wealth or property from some one else. Such a system always devolves into corruption of both the folks in charge of ‘deciding’ who gets what and the folks on the receiving end of the goodies. Always. It will get worse and worse over time. It’s human nature. ‘American’ (as you call it) libertarianism is the most moral and humane system of governance for all. Under AL anyone in commerce or business must subservient themselves to the society they live in in order to obtain wealth.
    Obviously, it’s a good idea to marry a libertarian govt with a largely educated, Christian people. We have been, unfortunately, drifting away from all 3 necessities. And we are all going to suffer for it.

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  38. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Now, what happened to Master Ben’s promise to go away until the Spring blooms? No Ben, your bouncing from argumentum ad hominem to argumentum ad verecundiam doesn’t make your appeals any less fallacious.
    You ain’t libertarian by any stretch of the imagination, but I understand your desire to be seen in a libertarian light as it’s an easier sell than left-liberalism/greenie at the moment, especially now with the electorate having clearly given the enviro-left a major spanking a week ago.
    Looks like legislative action on the Keystone pipeline is on a fast track as I write.

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    Ben Emery

    George,
    Greg Goodnight challenged Chomsky’s ability to understand and express language. My hunch the person who is a lifelong student and 50 year MIT professor of linguistics is a good source of accuracy in definitions and explanations of their positions on topics.
    In no way would Chomsky put himself in the communist camp by what I am guessing the standards you are using, the Soviet Union perversion of brutal totalitarian idea of communism. I think the Soviet Union wasn’t communist at all but used the political system of communism to gain absolute power. I guarantee Marx would not have embraced how Lennon, Stalin, and Khrushchev governed. Communism is a failed political system on just about any level of measuring success. Just like every political philosophy socialism and straight up communism have different brands. My guess Chomsky’s preferred brand of socialist governance would resemble the modern day Scandinavian model of democratic socialism.
    Another good person is Richard Wolfe on the cooperative economic model.
    http://www.rdwolff.com/content/democracy-work-cure-capitalism
    Workers’ Self-Directed Enterprises don’t necessarily work outside of capitalism but dramatically change the decision making process to where there is fairly proportioned compensation deemed by the workers/ owners and also fairly proportioned sacrifices deemed by the workers/ owners. A more horizontal model of decision making.

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    That nasty man “challenged Chomsky’s ability to understand and express language”.
    The nasty man did nothing of the sort; he did challenge Chomsky as the American Standard dictionarian, the authority to be relied upon, and Ben Emery being able to cut and paste Chomsky’s publication titles is not a valid substitute to Ben showing some capability for reasoned argument.
    No Ben, you are not proven correct because Chomsky has written more than I have. Try a’gin. Or better yet, actually follow through with your promise to go away for awhile.

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  41. George Rebane Avatar

    Re Chomsky – Nowhere, to my knowledge, has the good professor claimed to be the final arbiter of semantics. Most mildly read people quickly discover that the same word has different meanings even in the same culture. Chomsky focused on language structures and the ability for different structures to carry various amounts of information (formal definition).
    Of course BenE is right about Lenin/Stalin using the umbrella of communism to beget unbridled tyranny that focused power into the hands of a top-down stratified elite. But history records that they did it so successfully that the western press (led by US and Britain) swallowed the line that the USSR embodied idealistic communism. Many ‘journalists’ in today’s lamestream still hew to that line. The bad part of even idealistic communism, the claimed common denominator of most collectivist revolutionaries, begets such an unnatural system of relationships that it quickly devolves into a police state, initially described as temporary before it becomes sclerotic. The 20th century is full witness to such evolutions.
    But where IMHO BenE misses the mark is that Chomsky had more than a flirtatious affair with communism. In one interview I recall him saying, ‘Some people even call me a communist, and I think I’m OK with that.’ And the ‘that’ he was referring to was the altruistic form initially taught by Marx. I belong to the school that says altruism is a dysfunctional basis for organizing large populations, and more so if they are of different cultures spread over a large area. Altruism works better when the social order become smaller approaching that of a family, and ultimately of lovers. (And that is why we can’t all just get along.)

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    The discussion here, while very engaging, has strayed significantly from my posted ruminations (on which I wanted to hear readers’ opinions), that I think it’s time for a new sandbox.
    Before departing these ruminations, I draw the unaligned reader’s attention to the very serious charge about free speech in academia made by Harvey Silvergate and published in the WSJ (see 10nov14 update of this post). Were such a charge, or one of similar scope, made against the Right, you would see a multitude of conservatives take to the floor to counter the arguments. But alas, from the Left all we hear, all we have ever heard is a chorus of crickets. They have no defense for such an advance of atrocities of the kind that their ideology is blanketing the country. Instead, they leap off into space with another anecdote about social injustice or inequality. And you know what? It works.

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  43. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “My guess Chomsky’s preferred brand of socialist governance would resemble the modern day Scandinavian model of democratic socialism. ”
    A tricky thing to do if you don’t have a country filled with native Scandinavians.

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: drivebyposter | 12 November 2014 at 05:06 PM
    I think we have a winner!

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    drivebyposter 506pm – Mr poster, that is a very erudite observation. And Mr fish has confirmed it.

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