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George Rebane

[This is the addended transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 22 October 2014.  Starting today, my commentaries have been moved from Friday evenings to Wednesdays’ 6pm news hour.]

In less than two weeks Americans go to the polls and vote in an important mid-term election to determine the extent and progress of the country’s ongoing fundamental transformation during President Obama’s last two years in office.  The focus is the US Senate – which side will gain or maintain the majority.  This comes at a time when the nation’s political Right and Left are further apart in what they believe than they were during the Civil War 150 years ago.

Back then the North and the South were much closer together in their beliefs about God, governance, economics, and even human nature.  The South wanted to retain slavery for economic reasons since their economy was based on slave-powered agriculture.  Yes, there was a fringe that also thought Negroes were less than human, but they were a small and uneducated minority.  The majority knew slavery was not a long term solution and used the constitutional guarantee of states’ rights to attempt secession in order to pace their own economic transition.  But that was enough to launch the then bloodiest conflict now recognized by many as the first modern war.

In recent decades Americans have again pulled into two very distinct and polarized groups.  The difference today is that the dimensions, along which we see ourselves separated, are comprehensive in the sense that there are precious few beliefs which we still hold in common.

In governance the Left strives toward pure democracy as the way to organize society, and the Right adheres to republicanism, believing with our Founders that popular democracy paves the road to national suicide.  The Left believes that a person reaches the loftiest heights of achievement as a member of an altruistic collective.  The Right rejects public policies based on widespread altruism and promotes enlightened individualism in work, responsibility, risk taking, and commensurate rewards as the way to organize a beneficent society.  The Left sees such a society as based on nothing less than rapacious greed.


We also have a hard time coming together because we see ourselves as inhabitants of literally different worlds, each having a history that is almost unrecognizable by the other.  Today this is no more apparent anywhere than in the widely disparate American histories the Right and the Left hold dear.  As a result, each side prescribes their own distinct medicines to cure the country’s two differently perceived diseases.  And each side considers the other’s medicine to be toxic to their desired quality of life and society as a whole.

There are many well-meaning people out there who counsel that there exists yet a compatible and achievable ideological middle to which both sides may profitably congregate.  Years ago President Lyndon Johnson invited his political opposites to “come let us reason together” as the means to overcome differences.  Unfortunately, today even that is no longer a possibility.  Why?  Because the Right and Left subscribe to almost totally different logics.  This may come as a surprise to the non-technical layman who is taught that there is only one system of logic, and it’s the one that he understands.  Unfortunately, reality and mathematics teach us that there are an uncountable number of different yet totally self-consistent systems of logic.  You can reason the solution to a problem using yours, and I can equally reason a different solution using mine.

Coming together might even then be possible if we would but adopt a common definition of what a good solution looks like.  Then we could compare our various approaches in a more commonly objective manner, and perhaps find one that we agree on, even though it may be for different reasons.  But that also is no longer possible.  Unfortunately, time does not allow me to explore the many more factors that polarize us.  For those interested, I will discuss those on Rebane’s Ruminations.

As a nation we live in a historically difficult time.  Each side firmly believes that 2+2=4, and that the other side insanely holds that 2+2=5.  So any compromise that yields a middle ground of 2+2=4.5 is patently unacceptable to both.  They each see that society built on the other’s rules simply will not work.  Therefore each seeks to triumph over the other, believing that their ultimate victory will then benefit all.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on georgerebane.com where an expanded transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links.  As always, my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  The attributes mentioned here that divide us into two distinct groups have been covered in these pages over the years.  But since the discord between us continues to grow, it is useful to review the specifics of how differently we believe.

1. The Left promotes policies that enable and empower the growth of big governments at all levels, especially a cradle-to-grave providing central government.  In the process the Left promotes governing structures based on all-knowing, all-powerful, expert elites who know what would benefit us and what we need in all phases and all stages of our lives.  Society should live under the aegis of central planning that provides equally for all – “From each …, to each … .”  The Right does not believe that humans know enough to beneficially manage large complex societies from centers removed from where people live, and with a single voice declare that such attempts not only don’t work, but have led to untold human misery, suffering, and death.

2. The Left teaches that all cultures are of equal worth and that no man has the right to pejoratively judge another’s culture.  The Right point to the variety of dysfunctional cultures that denigrate and suppress factions of their own populations, cultures that have stifled their adherents for generations (centuries), and have no problem asserting that this culture is better than that one, and that we don’t want any of that culture to be a daily factor in our lives.

3. A number of studies have shown that significantly more people of the Left than Right have problems with numeracy.  This deficit goes a long way into explaining why the Left does not want to debate public policies on the basis of the aggregate numbers involved, and instead prefers to advance their causes through emotional anecdotes to constituencies who are specially suited to resonate with such arguments.

4. A number of studies have also shown that the Left has significant problems understanding the elements of economics.  For example, embracing their ‘truth’ that government tax rates don’t affect economic behavior (with regard to growth, investment, savings, and job creation).  The Right believes that tax policy has a marked and measurable effect on economic behavior.  Both sides reject each other’s metrics of such behavior.

5. To impose equality, the Left emplaces policies that dun the capable and promote the less capable, hence imposing a handicapping system at the starting line.

6. The Right believes in equal opportunity that is best attempted at the starting line, knowing that our individual abilities and efforts will cause us to advance at different rates.  The Left, while also attesting equal opportunity, instead measures the success of such policies at the ‘finish line’ that ideally must be crossed concurrently by all.

7. The Left believes that the best future for humans is a global government that controls all resources, regulates all production, and prescribes all human activities.  The compendium of such societal objectives may be seen under the prescriptions of the United Nation’s Agenda 21 umbrella of objectives.  The Right holds a diametrically opposite view that sees aggregate benefits to mankind in the formation of smaller sovereign nation-states consisting of smaller cities and communities of people with more similar belief systems that will compete both culturally and commercially with each other under a loose global federation that serves primarily as a locus of communication and arbitration among the jurisdictions.

8. Realizing that conversion of beliefs is a futile enterprise, the Right is more willing to entertain means of separation that range all the way from the establishment of new states from parts of the old all the way to the Great Divide which can itself range from a confederation of semi-independent regions to new sovereign nation-states.  The Left will have none of it because they realize that such free jurisdictions will attract the wealth creators from the remaining socialist jurisdictions.  (You have read about the State of Jefferson movement in California.  Here is another one starting in Florida.)

We have covered more differences in previous RR commentaries and their comment streams, but these should suffice to make the case that there is no easy middle to be had between today’s progressive collectivists and the conservative classical liberals (also libertarians and conservetarians).  Our belief systems are also maintained by a plethora of media outlets that tailor the content across the liberal-to-conservative spectrum.  Pew Research has studied and published how major worldwide outlets attract their audiences from such a spectrum (here and here).  And again, such findings go a long way to explaining how people maintain and strengthen their strongly held ideologies.  Especially when one considers how the preponderence of liberal outlets concurs with how much more trusting are liberals than conservatives of their information sources.

[23oct14 update]  The purpose of this addition is to take advantage of the several comments to this piece made by Steven Frisch, CEO of the Sierra Business Council and admittedly one of the leading progressive intellects and apologists of Nevada County’s Left.  Available for your inspection, his wit and wisdom has adorned RR’s comment streams for years, fervently attempting to debase the people and thoughts advanced here by me and RR’s more conservative readers, while arguing his own view of the world.

For the recently arrived or drive-by RR readers it is important to review the purpose of this web log.  As stated in the blog’s tagline, I believe this century to very likely be the last and therefore most momentous for mankind.  The prime support for this thesis comes from the confluence of technology, global economics, and contending ideologies seeking to explain what is happening and what should happen next.  All of these factors have been elaborated here, and will continue to be examined and debated as long as my energy and interests last.  The hoped for audience for these exercises are the ideologically pre-formed (the so-called ‘independents’ and ‘undeclareds’) and those leaning Right who might gain more productive insight to support their interpretations and beliefs.  There is little hope evinced here for epiphanies and/or conversions of collectivists.  Instead, RR continues to serve as an open and inviting forum for our leftwing compatriots to also put their ideas on display and contend for the minds of the uncertain and/or uncommitted.  As such, RR is somewhat unique in its admittedly lax policy of monitoring, mediating, and moderating readers’ ideas and their modes of expression (for which it is continually and roundly ostracized by the Left).

So, with this preamble we return to Mr Frisch’s latest foray.  To begin we must understand that the man is a professional progressive apparatchik whose NGO and lifestyle are maintained by agenda driven state and private grantees of the liberal persuasion, joined by the occasional city or county jurisdiction that has no idea of what real value SBC can deliver.  As such, Mr Frisch is one of the uncountable many soldiers of socialism spread across the land who seek to bring America to a better place, and rescue it from what they and theirs see as the country’s exceptionally sordid past and equally deficient present.  The propaganda and programs promoted by SBC are readily available at its website.

People like Mr Frisch do not want to entertain thoughts that a large segment of American citizens are very unhappy with the direction the country has taken in the last decades and that is now amplified by the current administration.  They attribute talk and discussions of creating new states and events pushing us toward a Great Divide as the product of fevered brains belonging to a fringe and radical minority.  They must do this, for their ideological products are based on the notion that Americans in the aggragate are all of one undirected and sanguine mind waiting for enlightened succor, a malady for which they have the perfect remedy.

When I presented arguments illuminating the ongoing absence of any feasible middle ground that could attract conservatives and liberals, Mr Frisch’s coarse response was not to contend the arguments, but instead to insult and fasten on a point of historical interpretation.  He did this to divert attention from the thrust of my commentary and at the same time to attempt a denigration of my knowledge of history, thereby hoping to lower the strength of the real arguments since they came from the same source he discredits.  But as usual, he and so many of his ilk do not read well, and instead leap into an intellectual abyss in order to commandeer the conversation. In this case, Mr Frisch assumed the well-established stance taught by Saul Alinsky in his Rules for Radicals – you construct a strawman that is a suitable target for your assault, attribute its origin to your selected counter-party (‘this is what he really meant to say’), and then proceed to destroy the strawman.  However, here in the process Mr Frisch’s selection of my introductory remarks on the state of the southern mind viz slavery and the implied causes of the Civil War demonstrated either his ignorance of American history or the assertion that the Left’s control of our schools now teaches what he seems to spout.

Without going into the details of what led to the secession of states in 1860, most students of pre-Great Society schools are aware of the complex matrix of economic and states’ rights issues that gave rise to the war for Southern independence.  Slavery and the complex beliefs about Negroes were ancillary to the economy of the South which began to transform the region after Eli Whitney’s invention of the cotton gin.  Cheap labor provided by slaves were paramount to that economy, and that longstanding evil was amplified by the conversion of new lands to cotton and its profitable shipment to the waiting mills in England.  America’s import of the finished cloth and clothes irked the industrialists of the populous North enough for them to usher through Congress tariffs on British imports of finished cotton products, this in order to change the economics of the South’s exports and force them to sell their cotton to the North at its dictated discount.   With the failure of the principle of the states’ ability to nullify distasteful federal laws, secession was the South’s only alternative.  And Lincoln’s determination to keep the Union whole by force gave rise to what we today call the Civil War (technically a misnomer since the South never wanted to conquer and govern the United States).

But Mr Frisch’s desperate accusation (deduction?) that somehow I condone slavery and hold the 19th century southerners innocent of their support of that despicable institution serves as the latest Exhibit A of the progressives’ denial of the great schism that separates us; a schism that they seek to ‘fix’ by the government gun which, by in large and starting with Washington, they now control.  However, that denial is only a public posture.  When they consult with each other, they give evidence that they are well aware of the schism and what measures they must take in order to advance their agenda – the public evidence of that abounds in the policies that come out of the Democrats’ caucuses and their subsequent promotions by the lamestream.  The keystone to keeping that train on track is a continued high level of public ignorance starting with their ‘in the tank’ constituencies.   The remainder of the task involves convincing the ‘independents’ that all is well, no need to look behind the curtain because there are hidden only a few but voluble right wingnut crazies who can be safely ignored while we seek means to silence them.

Let me end this by pointing out that the above arguments are not constrained to Mr Frisch who is only a local placeholder for the remainder of the leftwing's legion working to fundamentally transform America.  There are many more like him, busy in their own necks of the wood.  Nothing I have said is meant to denigrate Mr Frisch as a person.  He is a man of deeply held beliefs and a very organized ideology which he often communicates admirably.  I and mine believe him and his to be in great error when their plans for our future are laid bare for examination.  And I believe he does his best to promote his cause with the well-worn tools that collectivists have used over a century now.  We may not like his means and methods, but that is all they have, and we should accept that while we continue our own fight for maintaining what the Founders bequeathed us, whether we can go on with them as our neighbors or not.

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83 responses to “No Middle Ground in Sight (update 23oct14)”

  1. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 24 October 2014 at 02:31 PM
    Jesus Christ Todd you are the stupidest man I have ever met. What you call ‘copy/paste’ is what others would can doing a little research. If I had not provided sources you would say it was worthless opinion 🙂 You might try research before you open your yap.
    Posted by: George Rebane | 24 October 2014 at 02:36 PM
    George, nice to know that when push comes to shove and it suits your need you have a Marxist-Leninist worldview that the economic system of a society determines the nature of all legal, social, and political institutions.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Steve Frisch, rather than calling me a name, why son’t you try and at least act like you know what you are writing here. My goodness, you are the laziest person on these blogs. Copy/paste is your forte’. Read the Federalist Papers about the Constitutional intent and get back to us after you school yourself.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 258pm – Now that’s not only rich, but richly illuminates your mind – that my connecting economics driving politics in your mind maps to “a Marxist-Leninist worldview” is beyond simplistic, and shows and extremely thin understanding of both western history and philosophy. Those dots were already well connected during the classical Greek period, and oft repeated since then. In the early 19th century it was an established tautology which Marx expounded in order to lay a basis for his communist cure. Again, thanks for the revelation Steve.

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  4. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    George, it also reveals your rather thin sense of humor!

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  5. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Todd, you seriously think I have not read The Federalist Papers…the mark of a truly shallow intellect is that they can only cite one source for what they think. I quoted the VP of the Confederacy from original text….you parrot ‘read the Federalists’. I read them pretty regularly…probably pick up the FP at least once very 3-4 months. Telling.
    You all say you want more back up for me saying George is full of shit, but I provide it, with facts, sources and original quotes, and you don’t refer to it.
    Which can only lead me to my original post, where I said, “I could come up with dozens of historians and historical sources that disagree with your statement; but that doesn’t really matter does it because facts just don’t fu*king matter.”
    See, I called it from the beginning 🙂

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 427pm – Embarrassed to say I totally missed given the history of this dialogue. Apologies.
    433pm – in this thread have you ever spelled out what part of my thesis is “full of shit”. I thought I had responded quite well to the words that you typically put in my mouth. What “facts, sources, and original quotes” have gone unanswered. Perhaps you have ignored my replies since I have not seen any responses to them, and therefore think you that your assertions stand.

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  7. RL Crabb Avatar

    No middle ground, indeed. Whether it’s the control freak progressives and their goal of destroying capitalism or dumb fuck conservatives like Todd, this country is in deep shit. Makes me want to knock heads together, not that there’s anything in there to rattle.

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Golly, I wake up and check out the thread and see the flop cartoonist RL Crabb trashing me again. I love that I am in hi head rent free. I would suggest that people like Crabb and his pal Frisch are just big mouths who really only negatively impact the culture. But they are experts on those “good” natural medications. Too funny.

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  9. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Blah, Blah, Blah….it is right up there from the VP of the confederacy…not about states rights, its about slavery…..no one answers the fact that southern states seceded before there was any law regarding restricting slavery in their home states….no one answers the fact that the south adopted almost the same supremacy clause as the constitution did…al proof that this was not about states rights.
    This is just another a example of conservatives falling prey to revisionist history, in this case revised by the Jim Crow south, or intentionally revising history to fit the needs.
    Regardless, George’s point that states rights was the issue, or that the south would have freed the slaves in their own good time if only we had adhered to the good old Constitution and allowed them to do it on their own timetable, is bullshit.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    You need to go read the debates in the South Carolina Legislature and then get your head right. You are just plain wrong and perpetuating the progressive myths. Sorry, you just cannot rewrite a history we are all up to speed about. Maybe you should try your revisionism on the nerw immigrants.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    For the critical reader – note the progressives’ tack illustrated in stevenfrisch 931am – 1) denying the historical record of how the South saw states’ rights in launching their armed secession, and 2) attributing to me a point that I never made, but that has been made and documented by historians. It’s another, entirely predictable and now boring, repetition of the tired retort of constructing a convenient strawman out the ‘I know what he really meant’ argument. (see my 845am and 236pm)

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 25 October 2014 at 09:51 AM
    George you’re wasting your time…..never mind that there was almost another secession in 1836 over the “Tariff of Abomination”. Was the Civil War about slavery….yes…..was it about the southern economy….absolutely……was it about states rights….certainly!
    Steve and his merry band of proglodytes need it to be about racism now and forever! It’s necessary for the type of doublethink that allows him to call you a racist and two comments down deny calling you a racist

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  13. Stevenfrisch Avatar
    Stevenfrisch

    I did not deny the historical record George I cited it directly from the horses mouth, both yours and the VP of the Confederacy. You are the one who said the Civil Wsr was about states rights, and I cited numerous examples of how that was not true, including the Constitution of the Confederate a States and the fact that they did not enshrine states rights in their own Document. If they thought states rights were so important wouldn’t they have included them?
    I think you don’t actually know shit about American history George and I sure as hell know Todd doesn’t That idiot doesn’t even read the posts here let alone do any original research. Both of you are just repeating shit you heard once from some other boob and assuming it is accurate.

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    stevenfrisch 1036am – OK, thanks for dropping by to straighten us out again.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Got to give the loony Steve Frisch credit for tenacity. When he is wrong he just can’t admit it. I feel bad for those kinds of people.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    RLCrabb 808am – Bob, my contention has been that there is no middle ground in sight – an important distinction since many of us, including me, may be nearsighted and simply not smart enough to see workable solutions short of fragmentation of states (not necessarily a sustainable solution), or some form of the Great Divide. But since you are a longtime celebrated resident of the middle, perhaps you could outline a way forward that is visible from your unique vantage (the Rodney King nostrum will not serve here).

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    At least that got Stevie away from his obsession with 13 year old girls.
    No one seems to have noticed that there was no citation to show slaves to be considered sub-human by a significant number in the South, which was the crux of Stevie’s initial rant. Yes, southern slavers thought them subordinate to whites, they thought them lesser quality human beings than whites… as did many in the North, but human nonetheless. NOT sub-human.
    So Steve, you’re still full of it.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    I did not deny the historical record George I cited it directly from the horses mouth, both yours and the VP of the Confederacy.
    Perhaps he was the “Shotgun Joe Biden” of the time.

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  19. John Avatar
    John

    It has been my long held opinion, reinforced by the above discussion, that lack of middle ground in American society, and indeed the source of the “Great Divide” itself, is the source of one’s income. Not 100% accurate, but enough to have clear implications as to mindset, attitudes opinions, and direct personal experience. A conversation with a teacher about economics will illustrate this point clearly.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    The lack of middle ground is quite common. France, Germany, Zimbabwe, all have distinct opposing parties of thought and governance. Even tiny Albania!

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    There is a middle ground in sight and I cite Republican Assemblyman Brian Dahle as an example. He is well known for being pragmatic and effective Assemblyman. Much like I hoped LaMalfa would be in the House. Instead he’s a cookie cutter predictable Publican.
    Nevada County could be so lucky as to have a Dahle representing them.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    John 1117am – Pray, expand on what such a teacher of economics would tell us.
    PaulE 1150am – Citing Brian Dahle as a rather opaque repository of middle ground tenets, tenets that must be variously abstracted over time through his actions in the Assembly, does not serve. If you have a more clear vision of what middle ground tenets Dahle has and puts into practice, please share them with us.
    fish 1107am – That could well have been. But we note that my 1229pm (about the VP) and 236pm (about the causal sequence) responses were totally ignored by our drive-by mentor who resides on the progressives’ peak of all that is good and true.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar

    Well how about former State Senator Sam Blakeslee. He’s a very reasonable man who aquired a great reputation in the Senate from both sides.

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    Well how about former State Senator Sam Blakeslee. He’s a very reasonable man who aquired a great reputation in the Senate from both sides.
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 25 October 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Did you have any plans to answer the question subject to this discussion……subsidies pro or subsidies con?

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1220pm – and while you’re considering Mr fish’s 1241pm, could you please review my 1207pm. It seems you either didn’t read or understand it, or simply disregarded it.

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Brian Dahle is a pragmatist. He is in a “super minority” and if one needs something as one of those one must work with the “super majority”. Brian is a very conservative man and probably holds values Paul Emery would totally be at odds with. So the better example of working across the aisle would be Hmmm, Obamacare! Oops, the democrats/libs failed to do that didn’t they? I recall when the US Senate was 50-50 and Cheney was the tie breaker that the R’s did their best to be good guys and give proportionate seats to the dems. Their reward? Kicked n the nuts. So, it really boils down to who has the majority votes and the Mr. Nice guy crap is simply that. Crap!

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    I’ve got a show tonight. I’ll revisit this with detail in the morning. Also I really don’t understand your rhetoric. If your are saying the jury’s out I get it. Also fish are you referring specifically to farm subsidies or the whole palate of government support systems?

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  28. Walt Avatar

    Seems Paul picks and chooses just which subsidies he likes. Especially the one that would keep him “on the air”.

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Also fish are you referring specifically to farm subsidies or the whole palate of government support systems?
    Well since the issue has been raised….why complain about subsidies for rice farmers while remaining mute about CPB subsidies?
    Go ahead Paul….convince me.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 251pm – Simply put, there’s a difference between 1) a list of explicit belief tenets that can be used to assess/predict how their holder behaves in a certain (here political) environment, and 2) the process of abstracting such a list over time by observing the individual act out what presumably are his beliefs. The former allows the powerful, time saving, and utilitarian process of deduction, the latter requires the much more uncertain and lengthy process of inducing such tenets. The inductive process in politics is definitely of less use because it is simply another version of the reprehensible Pelosi Principle. In this case, we have to elect the sumbich before we can tell what he believes in.
    So citing names of politicians that in some indefinite way conform to an undefined label, and attempting to thus define the label will definitely not serve.
    I thought my 1207pm “rhetoric” made this clear; anyway, I hope this helps.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    No middle ground nor over atThe Purple People Eater’s site. I remember well reading the campaign disclosures when Mr. Diaz threw his hat into the ring here as an experienced outsider seeking the Elections Office job. There was a 500 dollar donation from BubbaBubba (not to be confused with Bubba’s Bagels). The new ombré had all the right stuff, I.e., the right color, from The Sanctuary City by the Bay, and was bringing Frisco values to the foothills. As far as a can tell, Mr. Diaz is doing a fine job from my uninformed vantage point. Now, why politicize the County’s top vote counter position? At least he has not gone from a top lawyer in the Elections Department to heading the IRS like Lois L did and go after O’s political opponents (not to be confused with Lois Lane).
    Think we all can agree there are subsidies we like and subsidies we do not like. When the little county airport was losing its funding during the budget freeze, you could hear the whining from Graniteville. But when the taxpayers paid for a new airport out in the cornfield around no towns just so Kellogg corporate bigwigs would not have to drive and extra hour or so to go to the cereal plant……well, you could hear me whining all the way to The Sierra Buttes as well as the Sutter Buttes. And the Stimuli got my blood pressure up to dangerous levels.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    In reference to the tipping point, Frisco values indeed push us beyond the tipping point
    http://news.yahoo.com/5-bay-area-restaurants-end-tipping-others-suit-184201732.html
    No middle ground here. The tipping point will be long forgotten

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  33. drivebyposter Avatar
    drivebyposter

    “Good thing it is not 1860 drive by poster.”
    No doubt.
    Here’s a nice one, showing the power of Minitrue over the last century or so…
    Jefferson Memorial:
    “Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free.”
    Full quote:
    “Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu filled up by free white laborers. If on the contrary it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up. We should in vain look for an example in the Spanish deportation or deletion of the Moors. This precedent would fall far short of our case.”

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