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Sandbox – 21oct14

21 October 2014

[Everybody hear the latest about Moonbeam convening a new water resources conference so that "California can again take the lead" as it has in matters of protecting the environment, climate change, and green energy – disasters all? My (no brainer) prediction is that the state will attempt to regulate and ration ALL well water so as to create further difficulties in trying to live outside of stack & pack communities. It's all for our own good. Can everyone spell 'Agenda21'? gjr]

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121 responses to “Sandbox – 21oct14”

Russ Steele

23 October 2014

Paul@03:17
The root problem is government interference in the market place. If we had a true free market agriculture system, there would be no government subsides. But, once the government started messing with the market, it is play the government’s game or quit farming. Those are the only options.
Read this boast from the UDSA on the 72 billion they have invested in CA agriculture from 2009-2013, all to promote the rural economy. http://www.usda.gov/documents/California_Investments.pdf
See the government looks at it as an investment, you see is as greed on LaMalfa’s part. Other see it a CA tax dollars coming back to California. The subsides that LaMalfa gets are not stuffed in his mattress, it is spent on labor, fuel, machinery, and transportation. All that spending produces jobs in valley. That is why the USDA calls its an investment.

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Paul Emery

23 October 2014

Thanks for confirming my observation Gregory that LaMalfa is engaged in a business that is only profitable because of taxpayer subsidies.

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George Rebane

23 October 2014

Gentlemen, I really don’t know where this ag subsidy issue is going. Most certainly, given the realities, I am not willing to throw LaMalfa under the bus – the alternative is too horrendous to contemplate (‘The devil that you know, and all that’). Many of you above have outlined the realities, and I am long on record for agreeing with these. Political posturing could well be a reason for rehashing the IDENTICAL accusations and attributions of LaMalfa’s family farm business. The solutions, unpalatable as they may be to the participants, are obvious to us all.

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fish

23 October 2014

Posted by: Paul Emery | 23 October 2014 at 04:21 PM
Another one of your really olympian leaps of logic! Gold medal!

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George Rebane

23 October 2014

PaulE 421pm – Please take even greater pleasure in knowing that Conagra, ADM, and even Boeing, GM, and GE are in such businesses. Hopefully the joy of this confirmation will not be a strain on your frame.

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Paul Emery

23 October 2014

Fish
Do you doubt my observation that the LaMalfa family is in a business dependent on taxpayer subsidies?
George
I make no claim George that taking advantage of Corporate Welfare is unique to the LaMalfa family.

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Russ Steele

23 October 2014

Democrats War on Women?
Our local lefties (we know who you are, the Internet does not forget) supported this Democratic effort calling Sarah Palin dumb and stupid.
Van Jones tells Dana Loesch: Yeah, Palin had us ‘shaking in our boots’ in ‘08
In a stunning admission, Van Jones said Democrats purposefully destroyed Sarah Palin and painted her as stupid because they were ‘afraid’ after her amazing convention speech. They saw her as smart and a threat – so they made stuff up about her and destroyed her political career. Sounds an awful lot like a… war on women.

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Gregory

23 October 2014

“Thanks for confirming my observation Gregory that LaMalfa is engaged in a business that is only profitable because of taxpayer subsidies.”
Paul, it doesn’t mean that at all. It does mean that every other producer, taking the money, would be able to sell at a lower price and will increase production until LaMalfa Farms cannot sell any product at a profit. If all are subject to the same market, only the most inefficient producers would be unable to raise prices to, on average, the point at which it is profitable and a wee bit more. The better farmers with the better suited land will make the most.
At least that’s my best 1st or 2nd semester Econ take on it. YMMV.
It’s akin to Thomas Jefferson and the plantation slave economy of his time, which (surprise!) in the old South was initially based on rice, not cotton.

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Todd Juvinall

23 October 2014

Paul Emery, please inform us of the percentage of the LaMalfa business that is subsidy would you please?

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Paul Emery

23 October 2014

Gregory
Let me reword my comment leaving out a word.
“Thanks for confirming my observation Gregory that LaMalfa is engaged in a business that IS profitable because of taxpayer subsidies.”

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George Rebane

23 October 2014

Russ 502pm – Good find. As I have pointed out here, there is nothing below the capability of that communist Van Jones. The sadness is that Democrats fall in line after the pronouncements of that former member of Obama’s administration. Yes, that indeed is the real war on women.
Paul 502pm – Paul, that the LaMalfa family farm is dependent on their farm subsidies has long been determined here and repeatedly discussed (see again Gregory’s 511pm). You seem to be circling this point again and again like a Sufi Dervish. I don’t want to inhibit your consuming interest in this matter; and if others are still being stimulated by these revisitations, then by all means continue. But in the event you do detect some waning attention, perhaps we can give your LaMalfa Subsidy Sonnet a number, say, 437. Then when the urge to pay another visit becomes invincible, you can just punch in 437 into the comment box and be done with it, all in the secure comfort of knowing that you have made your point, and once more laid down the gauntlet at the feet of the philistines 😉

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Paul Emery

23 October 2014

Todd
Good question Todd. I don’t have access to his tax returns and the question is irrelevant. The fact is that his family has received over 4 million in taxpayer subsidies from New Deal programs started by Roosevelt in 1935.

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Walt

23 October 2014

Poor Paul.. When a Repub. receives a subsidy he tries to make it sound criminal.
Yet not a peep about a LIB receiving the same, It’s OK when a LIB does it…
BTW.. isn’t your gig on KVMR “subsidized”? ( Just ask’n…) If so, you got no room to talk.

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Scott Obermuller

23 October 2014

Paul – you have run this into the ground. Never have you espoused what the La Malfa family is supposed to do. They just want to grow rice. They’re farmers. They didn’t start the crop subsidy program and they don’t run it. Doug is on record as being in favor to end the subsidies. You have already admitted you don’t have the all of the facts concerning this issue. I would think a reasonable person would gather the facts first and then come to a conclusion. If you want to make the point that the La Malfa family is existing on govt money, and is not a net provider to the govt, provide us with the facts. I’m waiting.

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Todd Juvinall

23 October 2014

Funny how Paul Emery claims the jurisdiction on what is relevant or not. Paul, you cannot speak of subsidies as long as you receive them too. Your radio station receives public money and public grants. No one is pure, not even you. You grab on like a junk yard dog just like you have with your Bush derangement syndrome. No one is pure and the LaMalfa’s have played by the rules so good luck in your jihad.
I remember you libs telling all of us how Clinton’s sexcapades were his personal life and as long as he did his job then no problem. As long as Clinton was good on abortion the women’s libbers were OK with him screwing a 19 year old in the white house ante room. You just have a bias. Too funny!

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Walt

23 October 2014

How bout that COGEN plant that’s in the paper? I recall that same site, for the same use,
some years ago. The local yayhoos hat a fit about it. Lets see what happens in round two.
BUILD the damned thing!

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Paul Emery

23 October 2014

Scott
I have the facts that the LaMalfa family has received over 4 Million in taxpayer subsidies. That’s all I ever contended. What you are asking for is to satisfy your needs. Research it yourself. k

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Paul Emery

23 October 2014

Todd
I have no problem with subsidies. My point is that George has set up high and mighty standards as to how wonderful Conservates or the Right are compared to Liberals and the Left. (He likes to speak in simplistic generalities which is OK with me since it makes discussion so simple)
My observation is that when a LaMalfa type comes around who is profiting like a suckling pig from taxpayer subsidies, as long as they are Republican they get a pass from the Rebane’s of this blog. You’d better believe it that if Heidi Hall were subsidized by taxpayers like the LaMalfa family he’d be on it like flies on poop.

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Todd Juvinall

23 October 2014

Looks like all of us who said perhaps we should wait for th facts of the Ferguson shooting were prophetic. If the “leaks” from the Grand Jury are truthful, it appears there will be no indictment of the cop. Watching the tube and the interviews with the “pastors” of Ferguson, they seem to be unable to have an open mind about the facts. Their over the top in their defense of the “gentle giant” and derision of the cop. So, expect more riots and the destruction of property./

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Todd Juvinall

23 October 2014

Paul Emery, I think George has defended his position just fine here and your position is also fine. I have supported farm subsidies as a way to keep prices even for the consumer. Since only 50% of the people in America pay Federal Income taxes, that means the rich are paying most and out of their hard work, the poor and the farmers get a stipend. The price of food would skyrocket and the poor would be affected most. Since the rich pay the taxes anyway, I would expect you would support that. I am sure you support the grants and bond monies for SYRCL and their ilk. Heck, no food there for the poor. Hey Paul, what is the budget for the Tahoe National Forest?

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fish

23 October 2014

Do you doubt my observation that the LaMalfa family is in a business dependent on taxpayer subsidies?
I don’t!
I do enjoy watching you use it to axe grind about a politician with whom you disagree. How bout…”lets start winding down agricultural subsidies over the next five years…for everybody?” I don’t think you would hear any complaints from the board about that.
If I were to dig enough I’m sure I could find a politician of whom you approve who receives an unearned government subsidy of some kind. I’m curious if you would be so aggressive in that instance.

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George Rebane

23 October 2014

PaulE 801pm – “…as long as they are Republican they get a pass from the Rebane’s(sic) of this blog.” That is a gratuitously false statement. The record of my critique of Republicans is here for all to see. Are we reaching a low point yet?

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Bill Tozer

23 October 2014

Todd, of course there will be rioting and mayhem in the streets. The outcome is not going according to the script. Heck, when the local CNN tv station reported on the news about the autopsy leaks, the locals went over to the station and smashed the windows and have a jolly good time destroying the place. Mind you, CNN did not break the story or leak the information, just reported on it.
Thought we wanted the facts and get to the bottom of this. If so, President Obama and Eric Holder should say they are seeking the truth. Justice is blind, but nooooo. Holder is upset and exasperated by the leaks and no way will this Justice department let it go, especially before an election. Obama should call for calm and Holder lay out the facts and stop conveniently throwing the cop under the bus until the investigation is complete ( if ever).
In other news closer to home, this one was a no brainer.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/23/union-demands-send-japanese-firm-jobs-packing-from-california-town/

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Paul Emery

23 October 2014

George you know as well as I do that had Heidi Hall’s and her family received 4 mil in taxpayer subsidies you would have been all over it. Nuff said

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Gregory

23 October 2014

“Let me reword my comment leaving out a word.
“Thanks for confirming my observation Gregory that LaMalfa is engaged in a business that IS profitable because of taxpayer subsidies.””
No Paul, not even close. It would again be a level playing field and prices to rice buyers would be a bit higher because all would have higher costs. They could expect to sell less and would probably choose to plant less acreage, but there’s no reason to think they’d all be bankrupt.

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Paul Emery

23 October 2014

So Gregory are you saying there s no financial value to being a taxpayer subsidized farmer? Four million $ IS a whole lot of money.

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Bill Tozer

24 October 2014

You forgot Frisch jokes.

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stevenfrisch

24 October 2014

Posted by: Russ Steele | 23 October 2014 at 05:02 PM
Hey Russ, I suggest Ms. Palin take her complaint to 1400 Pennsylvania Avenue! Or perhaps make her case at a backyard BBQ?

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George Rebane

24 October 2014

PaulE 915pm – patently false – no more than I have “been all over” the subsidies received by the business interests of Panetta, Pelosi, Boxer, and Feinstein. My opposition to subsidies has been clear for the duration of this blog. Your continuing to repeat the unsubstantiated charge is a well-worn Alinsky tactic, and should be so noted.

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Scott Obermuller

24 October 2014

Paul E at 7:08 – “I have the facts that the LaMalfa family has received over 4 Million in taxpayer subsidies. That’s all I ever contended.”
No Paul, that is not all you are contenting. You are trying to make the point that – again, in your own words – “My observation is that when a LaMalfa type comes around who is profiting like a suckling pig from taxpayer subsidies, as long as they are Republican they get a pass from the Rebane’s of this blog.”
Clearly you are contending that there is hypocrisy here. You are also conflating what the family gets vs what he gets. You have admitted you do not have the numbers on what the La Malfa family have contributed towards society and the govt. If they have paid more in taxes over the years than they have received, then they certainly are not sucking off the govt teat. We don’t know what they would make otherwise in a free market because there is no free market. If you think $4 million is ‘a lot of money’ consider that against the trillions poured down the rat holes of endless and growing free entitlements to generations of non-producers who make no effort what ever to become productive members of society. One gang banger can suck up millions in tax dollars over a life time of crime and indolence.
There are all sorts of things folks don’t like about doing business in this country. But we have to play by the rules and try to change what is wrong through legislative means. You can help to elect La Malfa and Tom McClintock and other free market politicians at the state and local level and we can have a free market economy.

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Todd Juvinall

24 October 2014

I would like to see Paul Emery do an in depth article on Dianne Feinstein and her husbands company. Appears that he has been the recipient of millions of dollars of taxpayers money and she has voted on land transfers and many other things that have befitted them. I think it is Catellus? Anyway, Paul Emery would have more credibility on these issues if he had some balance in his investigations and reporting.

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Walt

24 October 2014

And don’t forget the subsidized SBC. ( he who lives off other people’s money)
Paul’s own subsidized dealings.( but that OK…right?)
It fine and dandy when LIBS suck off the gov. tit, but try and tar and feather a Repub. all in the same breath. That’s what LIBS do.
It “do say I say, not as I do”.
I hear the new Halloween costume favored by the Lefty parents is a pot leaf. Are they slapping a ” YES on “S” ” sticker to the backs of those little children’s costumes ? ( now that’s getting low…)

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Twinkle Twinkle

24 October 2014

Actually Walt, we’re working on a Kevlar simulated pot leaf (with an acrylic adhesive on it) to place across your hemorrhoids, and a second one across your mouth, that way we’ll keep the crap stored in one general area….
LOL!

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Paul Emery

24 October 2014

“You can help to elect La Malfa and Tom McClintock and other free market politicians at the state and local level and we can have a free market economy.”
Free market politicians don’t fill their belly with taxpayer subsidies designed to keep their failing businesses afloat. If there is ever a definition of hypocrisy it would use LaMalfa as a poster boy “free market” advocate. What a hoot (to quote Todd)

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Gregory

24 October 2014

“Free market politicians don’t fill their belly with taxpayer subsidies designed to keep their failing businesses afloat.”
Paul… remind me… your formal education didn’t go past high school? Your economic and political knowledge is frighteningly limited and simplistic. The patron saint of the Democratic Part, the blessed FDR, oversaw the enactment of the Father Knows Best agricultural price management and support system we have in place. Wheat, corn, soybeans, rice, and cotton, which account for 90% of all the subsidies, were profitably grown before the New Deal, and could be profitably grown if repealed. What won’t happen is someone deciding to try to sell outside the rules or accepting the money all their competitors get. In short, it’s a guaranteed loser to pay the same taxes and be the only one to not get the money kicked back in subsidies, and, more importantly, even if the LaMalfa family did what you demand, you still wouldn’t vote for him or give them a fair shake in your news.

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George Rebane

24 October 2014

One more time. Subsidies for any sector of society become a commons. Commons once established and consumed become a mandatory part of that sector’s life in the sense that anyone unilaterally withdrawing from consuming the commons gets unilaterally punished. This is most apparent in the commercial sectors that ‘enjoy’ subsidies.
The real (hidden) purpose of commercial subsidies, those that unite the enterprises which lobby for their establishment, is limiting competition for the receivers of such subsidies. Why? Because the subsidized businesses are ‘financially tuned’ to operate in a subsidized environment. However, a new business entering the subsidized sector has to jump through hoops to qualify for such subsidies. And they have to conduct their businesses without benefit of subsidies and therefore at a disadvantage in the marketplace while such jumping is going on. Not everyone can be sufficiently financed to operate until their subsidies kick in. In that manner subsidies insidiously create cartels favoring early receivers of such govt monies.

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Paul Emery

24 October 2014

Gregory
We gave him a fair shake in the news by broadcasting the entire debate from the Rood Center. I have tried in the past to do interviews with him but received no response from his office. Tom McClintock is much different He appears on our airways several times a year.

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Walt

24 October 2014

Now would be a good time to put our new armored truck to good use. Send it to Auburn for this man hunt.

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Walt

24 October 2014

“twinkle” shows just how juvenile to dopers really are.

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Paul Emery

24 October 2014

So then it can be summarized that our Representative Doug LaMalfa is part of a cartel that relies on taxpayer subsidies to restrict competition.
re George 12:49

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Walt

24 October 2014

Radio traffic for the man hunt in Auburn.
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/9035/web

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Walt

24 October 2014

“Cartels”? Now that’s a big stretch.
End your own subsidies before you bitch about others. ( funny how you ignore that fact.)

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Walt

24 October 2014

You should be more concerned about this Paul, if you actually care about voter fraud.( But LIBS usually don’t.. They like the illegals to vote. It’s the only way they can win.)
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/24/study-non-citizens-are-voting-and-could-decide-the-election/
Ya’ better get your priorities straight. Doug is doing nothing illegal. ( yet you don’t complain about the corporate welfare “O” and Co. has been doling out.) But keep bitching about one guy.

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Todd Juvinall

24 October 2014

It’s OK Walt, Paul also believes there was another gunman on the grassy knoll. No need to say more. LOL!

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Paul Emery

24 October 2014

Walt
Rebane 12:49
“Not everyone can be sufficiently financed to operate until their subsidies kick in. In that manner subsidies insidiously create cartels favoring early receivers of such govt monies.”

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George Rebane

24 October 2014

PaulE 255pm – You’re a piece of work Paul. Have you ever considered becoming a political operative in charge of, say, communications? You know, someone like Obama’s new Ebola czar Ron Klain.

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Todd Juvinall

24 October 2014

Funny how the LaMalfa family survived for three generations growing rice until the government coerced them into subsidies to stay competitive and supply sticky rice as an export to Japan. But I suppose that is not important to Paul the partisan. LOL! Besides, it was FDR that got all these subsidies in place, wasn’t he a GASP! Democrat! LOL!

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Walt

24 October 2014

Poor Paul.. I think he’s partaking in that wacky tobbaky.. Or too much of that goat dung filtered Irish swill?
Stumble over to the ” Pigford” settlement (uh) subsidies information . Even a minority who’s crop of crap grass (lawn) that failed ( in the middle of town) got big bucks. More payouts than legitimate minority farmers. ( Another LIB giveaway.. But I guess that OK in your book)
Then don’t forget about those LIBs demanding a huge minimum wadge, yet don’t pay their own workers what they demand others to pay. But keep mending that hypocrisy fence, railing on one guy. ( It’s OK when LIBS do it,,, according to Paul.)
There is an old saying Paul,, “That dog don’t hunt”.

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Walt

24 October 2014

As far as farm subsidies are concerned, they won’t end anytime soon. The LIB politicians will have NONE of that. Give Sen.Princess Nan a call. It’s one of her pet spending sprees.
And your bitching about a LIB loved program???

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Walt

24 October 2014

OH Yes.. the W.H. was involved in F&F coverup. Another lie exposed.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/valerie-jarrett-key-player-fast-furious-cover-holder-lied-congress/
Well what would our resident LIBS say if it was a Repub in the W.H.? I think we already know the answer. But since it’s one of their own,,, “Moveon,,, nothing to see here”.

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