79 responses to “Sandbox – 6oct14”

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   Brad C.

   12 October 2014

   Lol! Well, I consider myself a “good” person, I am a “boy” and I am getting “old” … so, if the shoe fits…I wonder if I could ask for a different tatoo though…Ronald Reagan is not nefarious enough… maybe Mr. Potter (It’s a Wonderful Life)?

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   Ben Emery

   12 October 2014

   Sorry Brad,
   You were not inducted into the good old boy network by Jeff as some here are suggesting. It was Steve Dodge that started that meme and Jeff gave an explanation of why it could be perceived as a gobn decision. I don’t know Ronald Reagan has the honor of defunding the UC system, stereotyping welfare recipients as driving Cadillac’s, dealing arms to terrorists, empowering both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, and having the blood of tens of thousands of people on his hands with Iran/ Contra as the commander in chief to name a few things. But I do like the rusty nail part of the tattooing.
   Steve Dodge says:
   October 11, 2014 at 9:04 pm
   Well, it looks like the good old boy/insider network is at it again. Approval of this project will be a slam dunk with the applicant the chairman of the Planning Commission and a member of the City Council part of the family. Since this is a “scoop” and the general public is just hearing about it I am amazed there are 13 letters in favor of it, one dated September 7, Insider information?
   The public hearing will be Oct. 16 at 1:30pm when a large segment of the public will be working. What ever happened to 6:30pm meetings to accommodate public participation? Maybe the city does not want the public at these meetings.

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   Brad C.

   12 October 2014

   Oh, shit! I just realized that I converse with you guys, and you guys are part of the subversive GOB group, so, guilty as charged – case closed!

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4. 

   Todd Juvinall

   12 October 2014

   Ben Emery, as you always tell us and everyone else, “you fail to see the big picture”. Not only are we GOB’s extremists reprobates, we are recruiting and growing in number. Soon we will take over the world! Psst! Don’t tell anyone that we allow a few babes into our ranks. No one knows.

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   Bill Tozer

   12 October 2014

   Well Brad, you do appear to be a good person from here in the nose bleed seats. Conversing with the enemy may be hazardous to your health, reputation, and livelihood. Hope your mate does not leave you for this act of treason. Better button down the hatches cause a storm is a brewing and coming your way from the intolerant and intolerable thought police.
   Reagen tattoo? You mean it’s not a Che tattoo? Better shower in the dark and avoid the river. I just wish Obama hated terrorists the way he hates Fox News and I wish the enlightened ones hated censorship of different views as much as they hate Bush. Will never happen, but I remain cautiously optimistic. Calling you boy is quite racist and I am deeply offended.
   On the topic of boys, Yesterday afternoon I saw a great sticker on the back window of a jacked up off road pickup complete with roll bar on the bed and another inside the cab. The sticker read “Silly boys, trucks are for girls”. Don’t think that young lady realizes the importance of being PC nor is aware of “the struggle” against racism, sexists, and the good old boys club that has brought us to where we find ourselves today.

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6. 

   RL Crabb

   12 October 2014

   That’s right, Brad! You talk to the wrong people. You have been co-opted and tainted by association. Maybe you’ve been wondering what that noise in your head means. It’s the dog whistle, man! Your only hope is to start wearing a hat, like me, with tin foil lining. It’s the only thing that keeps Barry Pruett from making me vote Republican.

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7. 

   Walt

   12 October 2014

   Went through Placerville today and a NIXON is running for office! ( The name alone would get my vote alone… Tricky Dick is owed an apology for what “O” has gotten away with.)
   Now I see my cat is also up for election as well! I see ” Bronson” signs all over our little valley. Now how did he manage that? ( My pilfer one of those signs and take a picture of him in front of it. Another “fat cat” looking at an elected position.
   And probably do a better job.)

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8. 

   Bill Tozer

   13 October 2014

   Just as I predicted. The hospital in Texas where one of the staff caring for the ebola patient has caught the virus is turning away patients because their staff is overwhelmed. Not due to concerns of the virus spreading within the hospital, but merely that the staff is overrun with the two cases.
   It takes 21 health care folks to care for one Ebola patient and that hospital now has two patients, thus no one available for the ER and other patients that need to be hospitalized..
   Considering we in the USA have all the state of the art equipment and protective wear, I find it puzzling that if we can barely handle just 2 cases at a major US hospital, why did Obama override the CDC and say no need for travel bans? Nothing to see here.
   Having better clinics and more rubber gloves in Africa just ain’t gonna cut it Mr. President, as you told the leaders of the African nations just a few weeks ago. They asked for the newest latest experimental unapproved drugs to fight this outbreak and you told them they need a better Heathcare delivery system. Sad but true. What, me worry?
   Perhaps a beer summit will fix everything. Meanwhile, the TB outbreak near the border in San Diego among children had moved north up to Orange County. Nothing to see here, another beer summit is in order.

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   Gregory

   13 October 2014

   In the “tilting at windmills” category, I see now the DoD is at “full tilt” against both Ebola and Global Warming. How can we lose?
   PS nice wiki entry on that sort of tilting …
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

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10. 

    Bill Tozer

    13 October 2014

    Global Warming is the real threat to the existence of Blessed Mother Earth, dirty little satanic humanoids and Mother Goose, so why worry about little tiny itty bitty irritants like ISIS or some African virus. Glad we got our priorities right and our ducks in a row.
    BTW, is it just me and my pathetic warped mind or do other people who when they hear the word Ebola, the sound of Heidi’s papa in the Alps singing out “Ricotta” reverberates through their heads? Probably just me and an ominous warning to others if you do too many drugs, you too will be singing Ricotta from the mountain tops.
    Yep, Global Warming is ready to fry us like snails on hot asphalt, then drown us all like kittens in a gunny sack tossed over the Tallahassee Bridge. Meanwhile, can the DoD kindly tell us what will happen to our few hundred boots on ground soldiers….er…advisors when ISIS comes marching into Bagdad? They already have a clear shot to the Bagdad Airport. What will we have them do then? Have them say Beam Me Up Scottie or will it be another “what difference does it make” moment?
    Guess with Global Warming runnin’ amok from polar cap to polar cap, little problems like Ebola and ISIS will be relegated to their rightful place on the Itty Bitty Molehill Committee.

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    Gregory

    13 October 2014

    Say it ain’t so!
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/ebola-chocolate-industry-africa-effects-111809.html
    Watch for a presidential address before the election to promise potential female voters that troops are being deployed to all West African cocoa producers to protect choco workers from Ebola so there will not be a chocolate gap.

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    Ben Emery

    13 October 2014

    Why do you guy think it is the job of the US to try and straighten out Middle East regional strife? I know it is because you guys put “jobs” and “economy” over people. Basically convincing us that American Interests are at stake and US energy industry fossil fuels somehow got under their soil.
    What do you claim is the reason the US military should be used in conflicts thousands of miles from home creating more enemies by the day?
    If your answer is because they might or want to hurt us here, then answer the question “Why” would they want to hurt us here?
    Could it possibly be our military interventions in their governments/ public policies assuring private energy industry profits for a century?
    If this is true isn’t that an endless cycle that perpetuates permanent state of war?
    Can we as a nation sustain such a war? Hasn’t every military empire in the past crumbled under the weight of that same policy?

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13. 

    fish

    13 October 2014

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 13 October 2014 at 03:20 PM
    Told you we were pretty much in lockstep on foreign policy! I have high hopes for overcoming your other political heresies!

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14. 

    Bill Tozer

    13 October 2014

    My my,Brother Ben, the answer to one of your many questions is “no”. They want to hurt us here cause we ain’t converts to Islam. We must convert or die, exactly as written by the Prophet himself. This is not some bastardized version of Islam. It is what the Koran teaches and preaches, you infidel you. Of course you can pay a kingly ransom and not convert and not die. Money talks and raghead walks. It’s the way the world turns since the oldest profession.

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    Bill Tozer

    13 October 2014

    Ooooppps, my Brother Ben. Me bad, berry berry bad. I was not very PC. I should have wrote The Holy Koran, not Koran as our military and TSA personnel are now instructed to say to civilians like you. No offense meant to be directed your way. It’s the Holy Koran.
    To further answer your questions, I will make it short and sweet:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08

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    Walt

    13 October 2014

    Maybe those pro “S” kooks should put those signs in their own yards, and property.( No balls?)
    Don’t bitch when the one on my bosses property gets yanked. A paving Co. isn’t pro dope.

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    Ben Emery

    13 October 2014

    Comrade Bill,
    Why now? Why not in 1900 or after WWII when the western powers were all used up? Why now? Who funds these Jihad schools? Why don’t we hold those who fund the Jihad schools accountable?
    The politically correct version wouldn’t be Holy Koran it would be Qur’an.
    I say lets use the energy source that created all that fossil fuel and leave the middle east countries to work things out themselves. It seems every time we help one sect over another we alienate an ally by arming their enemies and giving them support in other ways. We have never understood the middle east, don’t understand their religion and definitely don’t understand their culture. So why on earth do we think we can intervene without screwing things up even more? Why does the US think it has the authority to do such actions in the first place?

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18. 

    Bill Tozer

    13 October 2014

    Brother Ben. That we agree on. I would love it if we could shake the Middle East dust off our shoes, then take off our shoes at throw it at them in a kinda Islamic middle finger cultural gesture. That would nice but it ain’t gonna happen.
    Yeah, we arm one side and the next month or two, they are pointing their new toys at us. I think President Obama is naive to think there are any moderates in the Arab countries we can play nice with….at least in today’s World. What are we going to do with that mess besides wash our hands of the whole matter? No need to bomb them back to the Stone Age cause they are heading there all on their own and in record time.
    So, we side with Syria to fight ISIS? We got rid of Saddam and the country imploded. At least Saddam was just a street thug who walked up to the former President and shot him in the head point blank. And the former President was driving a station wagon of all things. At least Saddam was a secularists and the Middle East seems to love their strongmen. We helped dispose of Col. Kadafy and that country is worse off than ever.
    But, this IsIs thang is a whole new playground. It’s an idea we are fighting now. The idea that a unified Muslin Region without borders will recapture its former glory and spread throughout the entire region and beyond (much much beyond) to have a one world authoritarian government run by Shira law. It’s an idea that must tickle every Muslim’s imagination whether they voice it or not, whether they support or oppose ISIS. They have one big insecurity chip on their shoulders.
    Brother Ben, I know you oppose the tenets of Sharia Law; the codifying of making women permanent 2nd class citizens, the trampling of human rights, the legal taking of slaves and 9 year old wives, etc, not to mention their gawd awful goat and camel porn. But, despite your beliefs and fighting for Justice, fairness, world peace, goodwill to mankind, and helping the less fortunate, you are the enemy to them. They don’t give a rat’s ass about your good intentions and they could care less about your loved ones. You are The Great Satan to them. Not the US government, but you and me and any non convert that reads this. And they will coming after your family to kill them.
    It’s an East versus West thang. We have our ideas and ideals which makes us the enemy, the Great Satan with its blasphemy of democracy ways. Neither the twain shall met. We can leave and postpone the bloodshed for awhile, but we are fighting an Islamic idea. How do you fight an idea? What, say we are not The Great Satan? Them ragheads will be coming alright unless the Free World knocks them down first. Their idea we are fighting is “infidel, surrender or die.” More than just shaking their dust off our shoes.
    It’s late and almost my beddy-bye time. Hope you enjoyed my nighty-night bedtime story. Here is something else for you to chew on, Brother Ben:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qnMaroAlfvI

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19. 

    Gregory

    14 October 2014

    Ben and Tozer both apparently missed the message that, with technology improvements, the US is on the cusp of actually producing a surplus of fossil fuels and that the middle east share is now down to about 19% of a much smaller net importation… and that’s with the Feds slow walking development of energy development on Federal leaseholds.
    http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTNTUS2&f=M
    Ben, you need a sense of proportion… “In the twelve months through July 2014, utility scale solar power generated 14.84 million megawatt-hours, 0.36% of total US electricity”.
    1/300 of the total. Double solar capacity and you’re up to 1/150. Woo-woo. And you’re never going to get solar cells that operate at night or be very productive in the dead of winter.

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20. 

    Bill tozer

    14 October 2014

    What the Sam Hill is going on? First birds attacking drones. That I can understand cause of all the wind turbines that have turned into bird Shedders and those solar mirrors in the desert that have fried many of our fowl feathered friends. An act of revenge if you will.
    But now even Greenpeace is under attack by our friends under the deep blue sea. Another act of revenge? Are all the little critters really our furry or furless friends? Who is the real enemy here?
    http://www.cnet.com/news/jumbo-squid-attacks-greenpeace-submarine/#ftag=YHF65cbda0

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21. 

    Ben Emery

    14 October 2014

    Bill,
    Again Why Islam? The country my brother lives is run by a tyrant but no intervention. Genocide happening in Darfur but no intervention. Atrocities on huge levels are happening in Sudan but we are absent. Why?
    Our government or really the Democratic and Republican leadership and then by default the entire political parties and government are controlled by special interests who have very strange business partners in Saudi Arabia, United Emirates, Iran, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, ect… Those business relationships are the very reason why we interfere in the middle east. These fascistic relationships have caused the US to support brutal regimes that gain huge amounts of wealth while keeping the people poor. It is these conditions that cause average people who are Muslim but not radical to turn to the Jihad schools because those who run the schools will give food, shelter, transportation, and money to their families. This is how terrorist are created not Islam. Our policies in the interests of big industry help create the conditions that promote terrorism. All of these things are connected and is one of the reasons why I am so opposed for large industry to be able to fund D’s and R’s to the point that they control our government that has no mention of political parties in its founding document. We have had a fascist/ corporatist state for the last 25 years at least. The liberals in congress won’t fight the system but rather advocate for more food stamps, welfare, unemployment, health care for the former middle class and the working poor. These are all symptoms of a our blue collar manufacturing leaving the country and a government that actually has perfected Orwell’s doublespeak. Large corporations have never seen profits so high, executives have never seen compensation so high, and our government is controlled by easy big money perpetuating the problem of no representation of you or I in DC or Sacramento.

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    Bill tozer

    14 October 2014

    You are correct, my Brother Ben, when you point out that not every single Muslin country has joined the jihadists movement nor have we invaded them. Indonesia does not seem to seek to dominate the world, but Osama tee shirts sell like hot cakes there. Iran does not want to invade other countries, but they don’t need to. They just control other countries like Lebanon, the Syrian government, Hamas, and other proxy states. We don’t invade Iran either, maybe cause they are Persians not Ahab the Arabs, or maybe because Russia is their largest trading partner.
    We have military bases in Saudi Arabia so we play nice with them, even though the Saudis fund most of the most radical schools. We don’t invade every Muslim country cause many like where your bro resides see ISIS as a threat to their control on power and a threat to their Sheikdom dictatorships. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
    You laid out why the disenchanted and disenfranchised become terrorists. The masses are taught radicalism in the schools, are given food, shelter, and money…..Hey wait just one cotton pickin second Brother Ben!! That is exactly what the libholes are doing here. Teach them radical nonsense in schools and give them free stuff. You just summed up the Left to a tee. Ben, are you becoming a terrorist?? Careful my Brother. It’s a slippery slope you are embarking on.

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23. 

    Ben Emery

    15 October 2014

    Bill,
    Very insightful, I guarantee you I am on a number of terror lists since peace and environmental groups are considered terrorist threat in the US today. Also I used the term “revolution” in my first public comment of our campaign in 2010. What I described is exactly how Hamas works in Palestine, Communists worked in the countries they got a foothold in, how Jesus worked when looking for converts, ect… from the bottom up. We are in this together, or one of George’s favorite terms “collectivism”. The way fascism or right wing works is the opposite, from the top down. Join our club and you will be taken care of because we control things don’t join and you will be crushed.
    I cannot speak for any organized religion since I don’t really trust or believe in any large institutions, including government. I was raised in the Catholic Church along with Catechism so I have a good understanding of Christianity from a Catholic point of view. For the record I don’t subscribe to that particular sect of Christianity for the reasons mentioned before. I believe all religions are telling their stories to the universal truths but with the downfall of many of them claiming their institutional version is the correct one.
    Here is a man much more qualified than I addressing your position on Islam. Take 15 minutes and listen to what he has to say.
    I have seen this video clip titled a couple different ways.
    Mehdi Hasan Islam Is A Peaceful Religion Oxford Union
    also
    Islam a Religion of Violence Oxford Union
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfiHHuO_-P0

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24. 

    George Rebane

    15 October 2014

    BenE 1042am – “fascism or right wing” illustrates you don’t understand that fascism is yet another form of collectivism which always works from top down because the individual derives his worth only from belonging to a specific collective. Identifying the American right as holding any of the tenets of fascism is utterly false since we adhere to exactly the opposite ideals that celebrate individualism, freedom, and enterprise, most succinctly summarized by the Bastiat Triangle and enshrined in our founding documents.
    But making the accusation as you do is a great illustration of the Left’s long-ensconced tactic of accusing the opposition of the exact tenets that you are trying to hide – another implementation of Saul Alinsky’s ‘Rules for Radicals’. Fascists do not believe in limited government, a prudent fisc, and minimal regulations – all countered by collectivists of the Left.
    I have yet to see any of you pick up my gauntlet and offer your own socio-political credo for all to see. I will gladly publish it, and then we can compare notes and actions.
    Re Mehdi Hasan – His words would ring true were the claimed moderate millions of Muslims in Europe assimilating with the cultures into which they immigrated, instead of remaining in insular communities and demanding that their host countries bend to their twisted views of how society should be structured. The ‘golden age of Islam’ was real yet extremely brief, and the Indians claim co-invention of both algebra and the notion of algorithm that was literally the only celebrated issue from that golden age.

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    Ben Emery

    15 October 2014

    George,
    Sorry big guy, it is your inability to understand the difference a government of and for the people vs. a government of and for big business. A government that is intertwined with the interests of the people is a left wing style government. A government that is intertwined with corporate/ big business interests is a right wing style of government. Just because you falsely believe that a true free market, which cannot exist in reality, would be absent of government doesn’t mean it is true. In fact the market itself would become the government through the inevitable monopolistic nature of capitalism. We in essence would become a series of 21st century version company towns across America via strip malls. This has slowly been happening since the Reagan Revolution. Go into any town larger than 50,000 people, hell just look at Grass Valley Brunswick Basin. Safeway, McDonalds, Burger King, Staples, Wells Fargo, BofA, CVS, Walgreens, RiteAid, Shell, Quizno’s, Starbucks, True Value, and proposed Target and Olive Garden coming soon. I bet you would like to see a Home Depot and a Walmart come to town. Literally this could be any town in America and there is nothing that would indicate that it is Grass Valley in this specific zone/ district. This is why we have become a fascist/ corporatist state that is increasing turning into a surveillance state through private sector spying for the government. That is only one example of many where our government has been captured by big business interests. Monied special interest have taken control of the two parties that are our only choices to run our government. This is why neither party will allow an expansion of ideas and democracy they are actually limiting the ideas and the participation of the people.

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26. 

    fish

    15 October 2014

    Posted by: Ben Emery | 15 October 2014 at 11:51 AM
    …and a pony!

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    Ben Emery

    15 October 2014

    George,
    A simple question for you
    Can you really not see the difference between the style of governments we had from 1932-1972 and 1972-2012?
    FDR vs Reagan style of governments.
    FDR style brought us representation of the people over big business. Strong oversight of big industry, especially the financial sector. This didn’t mean Goldman Sachs, General Electric, or General Motors didn’t exist but the existed within the boundaries that benefit society as a whole. This style of government created the largest middle class and standard of living in world history. Top Marginal Tax Rates in 90%. Until Reagan Revolution happened our national debt was less around 1 trillion, not bad for a nation and economy as large of the US and fought two world wars, Korea, and decades in Vietnam. The funny part of the Tea Party is when asked “to what time frame do you want to take us back?” their answer 9 times out of 10 is the middle of this era.
    Reagan style government increased that debt to $4 trillion in 8 years and now has reached $16 trillion. We have stayed on Reagan pace with our national debt and size/ scope increasing of the federal government of intertwining big business/ government. Yes, Obama administration is a Third Way or Corporate Democrat. Also Reagan dramatically increased the size of the Federal government as did George W Bush/ Obama administrations. Decreased Top Marginal Tax Rates down into 28% along with tons of tax loopholes for big business. Big business has never been as profitable, middle class hasn’t been so small since the great depression with the loss of living waged blue collar manufacturing jobs, standard of living is decreasing, private debt has never been higher on average for Americans, government has never been so intrusive and intertwined with big business, and social programs haven’t been so important to so many Americans since the last time we had a Reagan style of governance during the Roaring Twenties. These programs are actually subsides for big business by covering food and health care among other things for the working poor.

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28. 

    fish

    15 October 2014

    Careful George…..I see plenty of “No True Scotsman” arguments flying towards you in the very near future.

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29. 

    George Rebane

    15 October 2014

    BenE 1232pm – On these pages we have dissected the differences and circled these barns more times than I can count. The fundamental difference between us is that we live in separate worlds with different histories and widely diverse sets of human and cultural values. Since none of you on the Left want to divulge your basic beliefs, which include social utilities, we wind up with ‘yes it was – no it wasn’t’ discussions that lead nowhere. If you insist on abiding in the collectivist fear of their real ends being prematurely discovered, then at least take my published credo and pick it apart, tenet by tenet.

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