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Sandbox – 27sep14

27 September 2014

[A refreshingly new sandbox is filled and ready for your divers thoughts, ideas, and repartees. I would be interested in a thread that discusses the 'Ring of Fire' rumblings going on. What really concerns me is that not much is being said about the really big one under Yellowstone. When that one goes we will all be wishing we had more emergency food and … ]

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105 responses to “Sandbox – 27sep14”

Walt

30 September 2014

How the worm turns. LIBS yapped about “illegal war”,, now are dead silent about their own “illegal” war. They got their wish about “get out of Iraq” despite the warnings of that fool’s errand. They were warned..
Now those same LIBS are pounding the war drums to get re-elected. They only don the prosthetic nut sack when election time is near, and when the “bad guy” has already kicked in the front door.

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fish

30 September 2014

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 30 September 2014 at 07:07 AM
He’s gone out of way to make himself a public figure….Nevada City’s own lefty gadfly.
What does jeffy think that the Sheriff is going to do for him?

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fish

30 September 2014

Posted by: Russ Steele | 30 September 2014 at 08:10 AM
He wanted the job, he just does not want the responsibility of the job.
I don’t think the democratic presidents, at least the recent ones, even really want the job. They really enjoy the adoring crowds and vomiting out the towering empty rhetoric during the campaign…. triumphant photos where they point to gullible rubes in the crowd…but ultimately Obama, Clinton are like the dog who accidentally catches the car he’s chasing. After getting it he doesn’t really know what to do with it.
Unfortunately behind these guys are a dedicated cadre of people who do want to implement change….that rather odd looking space alien Valerie Jarrett springs to mind…. and hasn’t Slumlord Millionaire just been a real treat.
I almost feel sorry for a guy like Obama.
Almost.

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Bill Tozer

30 September 2014

Todd, when will you ever learn? Because you don’t run your blog the exact way The Fat One demands you to, you done got yourself excommunicated from the Temple of His Assholiness. Now you go have to go join Fish in the penalty box. That should teach ya both.
Yep, quite creepy indeed. Paranoia has taken over the remnants of his mind. He just wants to be worshipped and adored you guys. Is that too much to demand? Thank goodness for Laura’s Law.
Yessiree, very creepy. But not as creepy as seeing The Fat One reclining on the beaches of Tahoe. Didn’t his mother tell him to wear sunblock on the high elevation lakes?
http://www.freakingnews.com/Sea-Monster-found-on-beach-Pictures-126659.asp

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Walt

30 September 2014

Todd.. A legend in his own mind… He loves his personal power trip, but that only extends to his own deserted landscape of a blog page. He has censorship powers and can play dictator. So why give him the time of day? I don’t even give him the satisfaction of a “web hit count”. I let sleeping sloths lie.
Why bother taking the time to type out your thoughts when you know they won’t get past
the chubby finger?
He’s a”public figure” alright,, no one can miss him walking down the street. ( flip flops, shorts by Omar the tent maker,, and a 40OZ Styrofoam soda cup.)

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Walt

30 September 2014

The Sac. LIBS have been running a two faced add against Doug Ose. They bitch about his votes,, yet fail to mention their slimy reps. vote for the same pay raises. They say he’s gained more wealth,,, and their crew hasn’t? LOL!!

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fish

30 September 2014

There is a world out there that wants to move forward…and just when we think we are out they try to pull us back in! Don’t be fooled my friends….reject being pulled back in and make progress. The Joey Zasa’a of the world will fall by the wayside.
Forward proletariat…..for there’s grant money to be had!
and yes jeffy I’m a “flatlander”……it’s common knowledge that I don’t live in the foothills….jeez try something original…..maybe tell me that “my mother wears combat boots” or something.
…and as always LOL.

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Walt

30 September 2014

Don’t fret Fish, (Now if your a Delta Smelt, Jeffy would LOVE you..)
He’s a City transplant who carpetbagged his way here from the Bay, yet busts your chops about it. Gotta love two faceness.

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Todd Juvinall

30 September 2014

I truly think Pelline believes people care about and give credence to what he writes. In my travels I only hear from people that do not like him. That is am eye opener.

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fish

30 September 2014

There is a world out there that wants to move forward…and just when we think we are out they try to pull us back in! Don’t be fooled my friends….reject being pulled back in and make progress. The Joey Zasa’a of the world will fall by the wayside.
Yep….absolutely no problems on the horizon whatsoever Steve!
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/uncle-sams-8-trillion-annual-debt-churn-why-washington-is-pertrified-of-honest-interest-rates/
http://washingtonexaminer.com/northeast-loses-40-of-house-seats-as-people-flee-high-tax-states/article/2554143
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/09/30/lena-dunham-george-stephanopoulos-sexual-icon
Wait…..not that last one…..unless your a big Stephanopolous fan!
…and as always LOL from your “falling by the wayside” correspondent!

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George Rebane

30 September 2014

re fish 102pm – Don’t know who you’re quoting, but it sounds like those out there you’re referring to haven’t had a clue about how to “move forward” for the last 150 years.

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fish

30 September 2014

Posted by: George Rebane | 30 September 2014 at 01:07 PM
Sorry George…I’m recycling one of Frisch’s exhortations to the faithful over at jeffys….and a hearty congrats on being appointed “godfather of conservatarianism” by Steve himself!
(Actually he did say “faux” but I think it’s probably a typo!)

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Bill Tozer

30 September 2014

Better a flatlander than a Fatlander I always say. .. He is now giving it one final push in a vain attempt to become relevant. Sad when all he wants is to be a big fish in a small pond and even that goal has eluded him and seems more unattainable by the hour. He could have been a contender except for da man in da mirror. That fellow is quite the bully, the town bully if you will. Not the way to gain relevance in society. I hate control freaks and mock bullies. Had such potential and now is reduced to doing layouts for the PennySaver. Yet the bully fights on to try and catch the wind. A tragic tale and ominous warning for all to learn from.

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George Rebane

30 September 2014

fish 123pm – Doesn’t matter, but did he spell my name correctly? 😉

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fish

30 September 2014

Posted by: George Rebane | 30 September 2014 at 01:43 PM
He did manage to get “George” right. Kudos to both!

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Walt

30 September 2014

Did he spell it ” George Rabid”?

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George Boardman

30 September 2014

Mr. Bubba is trumpeting the Sacramento Bee and Merced Sun-Star’s endorsement of Art Moore for congress, not bothering to mention that both papers are owned by the same outfit. They’re just acting on the latest memo from corporate.
None of this is going to do Moore any good. Newspaper endorsement used to mean something, but now they’re the equivalent of kiss from your sister: Nice to have, but not worth much.

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George Rebane

30 September 2014

GeorgeB 446pm – well said, and keep us sorted out on the regional media’s coverage of the election.

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Walt

30 September 2014

Well here is another Bill Moonbeam signed, that ripe for abuse.
http://news.yahoo.com/gov-jerry-brown-signs-california-gun-restriction-195626557.html
Seems one family member who may “just hates guns” makes a call, and the cops come to confiscate.

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Todd Juvinall

30 September 2014

The Sac Bee has always opposed McClintock. Nothing to see here. Move along.

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Bill Tozer

30 September 2014

Where my Obamaphone?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/26/obamaphone-use-grew-100-fold-in-3-years-in-md-to-twice-number-eligible/?intcmp=obinsite

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Bill Tozer

01 October 2014

If you support gay marriage, then you must support the 2nd Amendment. Stop a bully his tracks and have fun as well.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Liberals-find-comfort-level-in-NPR-of-gun-clubs-5107330.php#page-1

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fish

02 October 2014

After a nice tip-o-the cap from Patricia Smith regarding the work that Jim Hemig and Paul Emery put forth to help facilitate the debate, the graceless FUE weighs in with the following:
jeffpelline says:
October 2, 2014 at 10:54 am
I watched the presentations and found the behavior to be media grandstanding. Paul and Jim should have picked up the phone and called the LWV and asked them to handle the debate, just like I did. Otherwise, too much drama.
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jeffy you are seamless…an ugly human being on the outside….an equally ugly human being on the inside!
Too much drama….? For you to be this obtuse it has to be willful!
I mean I’m an unpleasant jerk but I have to work at it……you manage it effortlessly!

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Bill Tozer

02 October 2014

Fish @ 11:37 am. “The graceless FUE weighs in…” Weighs in at how many pounds? Guess the graceless seamless one was simply trying to tip the scales on this debate to be included. Yep, senile drooling Uncle Jeffrie may spout a good idea now and then, but nobody takes him seriously nor listens. Just can’t get no respect. There he goes drooling on himself again at the dinner table interrupting a perfectly good meal and conversation. .Most unsightly for a bully to wear a bib. Has a mug only a Mother could stomach.

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Bill Tozer

02 October 2014

California comes in #1. More than half the folks across the USA polled picked CA as their number one choice!!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/02/fox-news-poll-voters-reveal-which-state-want-kicked-out-union/?intcmp=HPBucket

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Ben Emery

03 October 2014

Not that you guys care but I will tell you anyway. This blog has improved a great deal since the departure of those of us who hold a different political perspective. I still disagree with a large number of the opinions but without the personal attacks it is much easier to read. Less personal attacks and more substance. Kudos to everyone.

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Todd Juvinall

03 October 2014

Thanks Ben Emery but you have it just backwards. Since you left, along with Michael A and others like you, the blog has returned to normal.

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Walt

03 October 2014

Beat me to it Todd,, I was about to say that no one has split except the mouthy LIBS.

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Bill Tozer

03 October 2014

Come on, let’s hear it for the Fab Five with their wide belts and combat boots. Yes, brother Ben, it been much nicer, friendlier, kinder gentler thoughtful posts with way less hostility since the bullies left. Those drive by flamers can come here, but our BS sniffers are on alert. The price of liberty is everlasting vigilance.

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Barry Pruett

04 October 2014

If people here continue to scream at everyone with whom they disagree, the discussions will be completely one sided and we will learn nothing (like Cartman’s blog). Listen to what Ben has to say. Try to understand where he is coming from. You might learn something, even if you do not agree with it.

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Ben Emery

04 October 2014

Thanks Barry,
Even with my admission of once the opposition opinions removed themselves the blog got much better they still couldn’t accept it and had to throw in some insulting language. I sincerely came here originally trying to find common ground but got caught up and then addicted to the negativity. Oh well, my statement still stands. Still has its moments but prior to the opposition opinions leaving this blog was toxic in my opinion. I will continue to try and find common ground with all political stripes but have accepted that this blog is too much for me to keep my cool.

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Ben Emery

04 October 2014

Here is what I was hoping to accomplish when I first came to Rebane’s Ruminations. I guess without being face to face with food makes common ground harder to find.
Excerpts from The End of Divide and Conquer-
“Stan Meckler exclaims, “I think sitting down with you and talking may be the most important meeting of my life.”
I reply, “Stan, I think this is probably the most important meeting of my life, too.”
Neither one of us is kidding and this is why. We are “enemies” — supposedly.
He is a Tea Party founder and I’m some kind of lefty extremist. That is what we have been told through the political pundits, in the blogosphere, online comments, and pretty much through any conversation you hear around the water cooler: Stan Meckler and Reinette Senum can’t possibly get along because we do not see eye to eye, and we certainly must dislike each other.”
“Within the first minute of meeting, we clearly know it’s not true. We are not enemies.”
“We also agree much is at stake with our nation right now. We come to the conclusion that it’s more critical to our well-being to actively seek common ground among those we are told are our common enemies than to constantly focus on our differences, creating the ultimate roadblocks to our healthy and prosperous future.”
“Do we have more in common than not? You better believe it.”
http://www.theunion.com/opinion/13258142-113/stan-future-common-focusing

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Jon Shilling

04 October 2014

Sandbox is definitely an apt name for this discussion. I’m of the belief that both Bush and Obama have done deeds that would be deserving of a prison term. I commend and respect the efforts of Paul Emery, George Rebane, Reinette Senum, and Stan Meckler to look for the common ground amongst us vs. dwell on our differences. It is obvious that both Jeff Pelline and George Rebane benefit from each others blogs. Sometimes it is better to remain silent…

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Al

04 October 2014

Pragmatic folk view Progressive folk as naive. Progressive folk view Pragmatic folk as evil.
Perhaps We folk should always analyze the ‘leaders’ of both camps for their motives.

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Jon Shilling

04 October 2014

So are you choosing to label conservatives as pragmatic? Convenient. I find both sides sharing all those labels at one time or another. Far more of us should analyze (including the money trail..) all leaders as to their motives.

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Al

04 October 2014

All should work hard for their best.

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Todd Juvinall

04 October 2014

If liberals would admit they are as bad as those they complain about then maybe there is common ground. My experience is the liberals name call, use derisive terms, declare themselves better and denigrate the opposition far worse than any conservative. Then after they have poisoned the well they come back and complain about the name calling. I have yet to see anything of value from the left except their trashing of most things the right holds dear. F;lag, family, education, capitalism etc. So, when the left starts doing the mea culpa’s and apologizes profusely and consistently, I think we will have a great divide.
Barry tried to be civil with Pelline for instance. All he gets in return is namecalling and derision. That is the finest example on these blogs. Ben Emery name calls in a “nice” way but it still is the same thing. Language and tone of language are very important.

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Jon Shilling

04 October 2014

Todd.. have you ever read some of your own posts? You accuse your ‘enemies’ of the very deeds you yourself commit. I often want to sink to someone else’s level in a conversation. A lot more often I choose not to. I hope that I continue to evolve and be a better man. I think most would agree that your divides are self created.

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Al

04 October 2014

Jon, You did an ‘Ad hominem’accusation per Progressive division. No facts; no logic. Please expand us to us subs.

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Walt

04 October 2014

Jon,, That would be fighting fire with fire. If one starts attacks, expect return fire.

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George Rebane

04 October 2014

Welcome back Ben Emery!

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Todd Juvinall

04 October 2014

No Jon, you have attacked me yourself numerous times and then I simply give you better. That is life. I am a better man and my life has been full of blessing and I have evolved very well. You liberals dish it out and then whine and cry when we stand up to you. My guess is you were an oly child. Too funny!

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Bill Tozer

04 October 2014

I have always believed Brother Ben has a big heart. I also believe that my Brother Ben deflects attention off the topic/subject matter onto the less fortunate and the evils in this world and constantly focuses on these side bar issues, many of which have nothing to do with Dr. Rebane’s posts. Be that as it may, Ben will never bite the hand extended in sincerity or friendship, will ya you bleeding heart libhole? 🙂
I, myself, and me believe that innate human nature is the root cause of all the ills in this world, not some evil heartless faceless corporation or corrupt government. I tend to focus on the individual character flaws and shortcomings that make up a group, while Ben points out the symptoms of human failings and focuses on the “group” or “they”. I would say the first man born on the planet murdered his brother and we have not evolved at all while Ben might say someday there will be no wars, no greed, no envy, no killings. Fat chance In my never humble opinion. Pride consumes us all.
Former Golden Gloves boxer Paul is tormented that we just won’t admit that Bush is just as bad as Obama if not worse. Drives him crazier than two rats in a sock when we sidestep the his Bush Derangement Syndrome with silence or argue back and refuse to take the bait, but Paul is a good man.
On this positive note, I leave the reader with a link to how things should be when folks are neighborly. Unfortunately, when the rubber meets the road, some people aren’t neighborly, you puke buckets.
http://theweek.com/article/index/269271/speedreads-man-allegedly-downs-neighbors-drone-with-a-shotgun

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Ben Emery

05 October 2014

Bill,
First off I have always liked you witty exchanges with people and although I might disagree with many of them I respect them for their honesty.
The reason I choose to focus on the large corporations and corrupt governments is both of those things affect all of our lives. At the individual level most people are decent and fair, not all but most. There will always be war because a small few are greedy and want more. The fact of the matter is the masses of the world want to live in peace. Want to be neighborly and cooperative to each other. It is those with huge amounts of money and power that keep this from happening. If the people would unite on the commonalities instead of fighting amongst each other on the petty differences we could actually achieve a more egalitarian world, which would be a much better place to live. Planet Earth is a spec of dust in the all the galaxies and we are the only advanced form of life that we know of, so in essence we are alone for hundreds of millions of miles in all directions.

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Ben Emery

05 October 2014

George,
Just wanted to let the blog know I thought there was a big improvement on the content over the last few months. Much more educational and pleasant to read without the circus of insults and personal attacks always going on.

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Bill Tozer

05 October 2014

Ben, nice to correspond with you, albeit on a public forum that is forever now on the records of humankind.
Of course, there is a bit of bad in the best of us and a bit of good in the worst of us. One may despise all neighbors, but will also be the first to show up and help if he spots a neighbor’s garage ablaze. All in all we desire to do good and live in peace with our world as well as within ourselves. And, yes, the negativity is deliciously intoxicating and addictive yet unsatisfing..
I give you a hard time cause I believed so much as you do. I am just a hell more jaded now. As an old saying goes, “looks like you have never been stabbed cause you sure are acting like it.” Ok, try this one from the movie The Big Chill. The young gal graduates from college to save the world and becomes a public defender, the defender of the voiceless, the down trodden, the underdog. Turn the page in time as she realized she is just defending low life scum she would never desire to have over to her house. Perhaps I focus on the low life scum too much, and you focus too much on the young public defender’s ideals and idealism before reality set it, in my never humble opinion.
The gist of this monologue is we all have opinions. My opinion is important, but only important to me in the grand scheme of things. Your opinion is important as well, but really only important to you.
My opinion is I am like Yogi the Bear getting ready to swing down on a rope and snatch a pic-a-nic basket. Then comes along Boo Boo Brother Ben (my little friend with the over active conscious) and says “Gee Yogi, Mr. Ranger would not like that.” Geez Whiz Boo Boo, lighten up, Neither one of us are Mr Ranger, but we don his hat at various times depending on the topic and our own life experience. Ok, enough of this psycho babble. Hope this kinder gentler conservatism does not spread like gangrene, scrot.

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Bill Tozer

05 October 2014

In other sandbox news, I knew this day would happen sooner or later.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-lifts-40-arms-ban-boost-vietnam-sea-004928897.html#
I knew last year I was putting enough water under the bridge when I ordered a nice solid hardware bench from Nam. Gave it a couple coats of polyurethane and the 7 foot bench is the perfect fit under 2 windows for indoor succulents and orchids.. Besides the pool boys can stand on it when dusting the blinds. Heavy and cheap, just like my women.
Just yesterday I was talking to a German lady that has been here since 1947. She was 20 years old when we started bombing the day lights out of her town and the Americans were approaching. Everyone believed the Americans were ruthless and the rumors spread that the GIs have long knives in their teeth and would kill them all and slit their throats. As the Americans entered her town, she and her girlfriend hopped on bicycles and fled for their lives and hid in the mountains.
I asked her what brought her to the US and she said she married a GI. I said “What, you married the enemy!” We both just laughed and laughed. Time may heal all wounds but I still will never watch a Jane Fonda movie to this day. But, I did get a kick when Hanoi Jane called another woman the C word. Guess she forgot the 11th commandment of “Never call thy woman the C word” or any woman that word. Maybe it is time to see a Jane Fonda movie now that I am in a transitional phase. Just kidding. Burn that C at the stake.

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Walt

05 October 2014

The AGW gang is scratching their collective nuts once again.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/518497/Exclusive-interview-with-Dr-Benny-Peiser
And guess what? Freak snow in Chicago.
Now 30 excuses for no warming and counting.
Just wait for the scientific moochers to have their hand out for billions in grant money to find out why they were SO wrong. They have big house payments and high end cars to replace, from the last round of other people’s money they got.

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Ben Emery

05 October 2014

Bill,
I will take your comment as the truth. So in essence I choose to believe/ identify in the good of the masses and you choose to believe/ identify with the bad of the masses. Vice Versa when we look at the wealthy and powerful. I see the beauty and importance with things as they were created and you seem to focus on the “potential” for economic gains with most things either directly or indirectly, which has its place and importance but also it has great dangers when we lose sight of the balance between existence between humans and nature. There are very few animals that will destroy or deplete necessary environment or food sources to the levels that will be detrimental for future generations. Sometimes it happens but very rarely does it happen due to their direct actions. Humans are the only animal that I know of that does this for ourselves and other living ecosystems *. These actions are caused by large institutions and demands that are driven by those large institutions in the pursuit of profits. These institutions can be governments or industry/ corporations. This is why I support and advocate for bio-regionalism or regional/ local economies, self determination, control by the people of size and scope of corporations/ industries. The closer to the people who are directly affected by these companies/ industries and government the more the people will be involved and the more representative these institutions become. I know conservatives believe this is their idea but true progressives live and breath these ideas.
*http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/
Excerpt
“Unlike past mass extinctions, caused by events like asteroid strikes, volcanic eruptions, and natural climate shifts, the current crisis is almost entirely caused by us — humans. In fact, 99 percent of currently threatened species are at risk from human activities, primarily those driving habitat loss, introduction of exotic species, and global warming [3]. Because the rate of change in our biosphere is increasing, and because every species’ extinction potentially leads to the extinction of others bound to that species in a complex ecological web, numbers of extinctions are likely to snowball in the coming decades as ecosystems unravel.”

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Walt

05 October 2014

But Ben.. Pot grows threaten Salmon..NOAA the prestigious government institute has made that connection. Yet the ECO gang is silent. So are you picking and choosing? It’s just fine to attack river dredging, but give pot grows a pass? A tad hypocritical one will think.

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