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Measure S to replace Nevada County’s current Ordinance 2349 specifying how medicinal marijuana (MMJ) has become our community’s latest cause celebre and also the casus belli between the pro and anti Measure S factions.  Measure S is a public initiative on the November ballot to replace the current 2349.  Both S and 2349 deal only with growing MMJ in the county.  Growing recreational marijuana (RMJ) for fun and profit is illegal everywhere in California.  Access to 2349, Measure S, and a side-by-side comparison of the S and 2349 provisions is available here.

Before S arrived on the scene, I never thought I would become so interested in the MMJ issue.  My thoughts on MJ and the legalization of drugs in general was declared some time ago (here) and should be no mystery to RR readers.  (Full disclosure: neither Jo Ann nor I have been or are marijuana users.)  My interest has grown in MJ use since moving to one of the world’s prime MJ growing areas, and becoming involved in the county’s politics primarily as a conservetarian blogger, commentator, and speaker.  So let me meander a bit on this latest dust devil on our main street that is trying to grow up into a cyclone.  I’ll try to be structured so readers can easily reference their comments to the various parts of this piece.

1. Last Tuesday (23sep14) there were two ‘information sessions’ on S and 2349 – one sponsored by the pro-S (at Nevada Theater) and the other by anti-S (at Rood Center).  I attended and reported on the anti-S affair.  Now the League of Women Voters will sponsor a debate on the matter on the eve of 16 October at the Rood Center.  (Apparently the same kind of debate as recently proposed by The Union and KVMR for the Rood Center was not as acceptable as the upcoming one by the LWV.  Oh well.)


2. The efficacy of MMJ for medical purposes, and the legality of prescribed use of MMJ are not an issue.  Only at issue are the factors surrounding the growing of MMJ.  The county’s position on growing MMJ revolves around neighborhood nuisance and enforceability factors.  The county maintains that the current 2349 strikes the proper balance between the interests of MMJ users, growers, and the growers’ neighbors.  The pro-S people maintain that 2349 is too restrictive, ambiguous, and does not provide sufficient supply for the county’s MMJ users.  (The insufficient supply aspect was raised in the 26sep14 Union by Ms Patricia Smith, president of the local Americans for Safe Access pro-MMJ group.)

3. To my knowledge no one knows the number of prescribed MMJ users in the county – is it in the hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands?  (Why don't we know it?)  Given the number of illegal RMJ grows in the county, and the frequent tell-tale smell of RMJ and RMJ users in the community, I assume that our recreational users number in the thousands and greatly outnumber the MMJ users.

4. Growing RMJ is arguably the largest and most profitable ‘agricultural’ business in the county, and most certainly the largest illegal revenue producing private enterprise.  Neither side disputes that RMJ money contributes significantly to the county’s retail economy, especially in its hospitality and ag supply sectors.  I want to insert here that both law enforcement (LE) and the drug cartels strongly agree in opposing the legalization of RMJ production and consumption for the same reason – it’s the money.  Both sides know how to manage their respective risks and play the cat & mouse game at the proper level of intensity to satisfy their constituencies.  Although the LE side must maintain the respectable visage and argue that drug enforcement, incarceration, and remediation bureaucracies are unique in that, unlike other government bureaucracies, they have no motivation to grow in size, scope, and power.  The cartels are not so burdened with respect to their profit motive.

5. Given the variety of MJ plants possessing different amounts/ratios of organic chemicals that are alternately beneficial for medicinal purposes as opposed to providing the desirable high for recreational use, our RMJ growers, with unknown frequency, pose as MMJ growers displaying posted prescriptions and certificates at their grows as called for by 2349.  The anti-S people summarize this in their slogan ‘It’s not about medicine.’  Remember, growing RMJ in California is illegal according to both state and federal law.

6. Sheriff Keith Royal readily admits that LE’s biggest problem is finding the right “balance” for MMJ grows that 1) satisfies the legitimate needs of MMJ users, and 2) the legitimate nuisance and safety concerns of the public.  To find this balance has been a ‘cut and try’ process since legal MMJ growing in various jurisdictions nationwide is a relatively new area of code enforcement.  The benefits of regulating MMJ grows under 2349 is that it is relatively easy to amend as the county gains experience and new considerations arise.  This is evident through the ordinance’s existing history of amendments.  The Board of Supervisors passed 2349, and as such they can amend it at their pleasure.  This is not the case for S.

7. A comparison of S and 2349 (see above) readily reveals that S greatly loosens the requirements on MMJ growers imposed by 2349, either through specific numerical pro-grower callouts or simply being silent on many factors affecting the grows and their neighbors.  Since Measure S will be a regulation by voter initiative, it can only be changed through another voter initiative in a future election.  Pro-S supporters answer that there is nothing to prevent the BoS to pass a new ordinance that dovetails with S (call it S+) and goes into more details on regulatory concerns that S left out or on which it is moot.  Besides the added confusion of enforcing the details of the then three sources of regulations (state, S, S+), this approach promises to be another full employment act for lawyers.  Disgruntled and/or cited growers can now sue the county for drafting the S+ ordinance in violation and contradiction of the people’s intent expressed in the more ambiguous or moot Measure S.  You no doubt see where all this will lead.

8. If there is any real evidence of problems with MMJ availability for prescribed patients, I had neither seen it nor heard about it.  There was no mention of such a shortage last Tuesday at the Rood Center, and I specifically brought it up to the pro-S contingent present.  Be that as it may, there certainly is enough of the stuff grown locally to keep at least all of our MMJ users going 24/7.  So if access is the problem, ASA (it’s in their name) could eliminate that concern by starting a MMJ hotline that ‘patients’ can call and get the information where locally grown MMJ is most readily and affordably available.  Or maybe churches could band together – after all it’s to alleviate human suffering – and man a MMJ distribution center wherein users are properly vetted and registered so that things can go very smoothly when they come again to pick up their, say, monthly stash.

Having said all that, I want to remind readers that I do support legalizing the growing and use of RMJ as a regulated (and taxed) adult consumable similar to how we have established the means to produce, distribute, and consume other recreational drugs such as the various tobacco and ethanol (booze) products.  This is not the place to present all the studies done on MJ, especially the effects of regular and/or early use of RMJ.  Like ethanol, RMJ does make you dopey; you don’t have to be a consumer to verify that.  And like smoking tobacco, smoking RMJ is noxious to many bystanders.  But again, we have laws and ordinances that can deal as effectively with RMJ as they deal with society’s other legal recreational drugs.

Before California makes RMJ consumption legal, we should continue to learn from the Colorado and Washington RMJ experiences.  I believe it is just a matter of time until RMJ becomes legal, no matter the opposition from the LE and criminal cartel industries, because we will literally run out of money if we continue playing cops and riefers.

So there you have it.  I oppose Measure S because it looks, feels, and smells like a cumbersome legal bamboozle to promote an increased local supply of marijuana that can be grown with minimum impediments under the auspices of MMJ, while in reality expanding the sources (and illegal distribution) of RMJ.  After all, we are told that Nevada County is a renowned national supplier of the best marijuana on the market, a market which appears to be insatiable as long as RMJ is illegal.  We should try something else to control and regulate RMJ.  Right now 2349 works for MMJ, and it can be further and readily amended to find the ‘goldilocks boundary’ that balances the county’s legitimate MMJ, neighborhood nuisance, and community health/safety needs.

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175 responses to “Thoughts on Marijuana and Measure S”

  1. Walt Avatar

    BTW, tune in CH.13 news. A nice story on weed is on soon. if you miss it, check their web site tomorrow.

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  2. Dave Smith Avatar
    Dave Smith

    Walt, here’s some information for you as California Health & Safety codes 11362.765 and 11362.775 allows for medical cultivators to be reimbursed for time and expenses in the cultivation of Marijuana for other patients. It also provides a defense to criminal charge of sale of marijuana to make reimbursement possible…..
    I know that this shoots a big-old-hole in your consistent mantra about being reimbursed and having people get paid for their time and material, but I will try to buy you an extra box of Kleenex so we don’t have to listen to your consistent crying again….

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    Are you referring to the Denver Post link? That’s a long way from home. I’ve goggled dredging jail and no results. I sure wish you’d help me with this.

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  4. Walt Avatar

    Not even going to waste my time on you Don, That’s FAR from specifics.
    I’m pretty sure Paul you didn’t even read it.
    But the Sac. news station DID report on that report. Just because the D.P. is the only
    link I stumbled over since it was buried deep in other news, doesn’t make it any less
    informational.
    Funny how a report from ECO Left central gets marginalized by our own Mr. “ECO Left” when it spits in the face of the current agenda. ” OH NO.. We will have none of that! How dare they show pot plantations mess with endangered fish!” From water theft to stream pollution.
    But gold dredgers got chased from the rivers and creeks to “save the fish”.
    But now when it’s pot grows that endanger the fish, things are different.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I’m assume by your lack of documentation that there were no dredgers who went to jail and lost their property (real estate).
    I also assume you made it up. Pretty pathetic Walt.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    A couple of procedural issues here –
    Mr Steve O’Herilihy posts a long pro-S comment by advocate Martin Webb under Jo Ann Rebane’s Measure S analysis piece that was published in The Union, the NCRWF Nugget, and on RR. It can be accessed here –
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2014/09/medical-marijuana-cultivation-initiative-nevada-county-ballot-measure-s.html?cid=6a00e54f86f2ad883301b7c6eb16bf970b#comment-6a00e54f86f2ad883301b7c6eb16bf970b
    That piece has comment stream numbering more than 250 and will close today (comment streams automatically close after one month; readers can then use the current sandbox to append comments with a permalink to the piece). Regular readers know that the S debate has continued under two subsequent pieces I have posted on the measure, this being one of them. (BTW, I was told that Mr O’Herilihy also started/spread the patently false rumor that Ms Rebane sent an anti-S group email to members of the ASPOA. The politics on growing MJ in the county remain brutal.)
    Also, Mr Patriot in his 656pm has charged that the comparative analysis by Ms Rebane was “flawed” without giving any proof of such flaws. It would be productive if he pointed out and corrected the alleged flaws so we would all benefit. No one else, including the county counsel, has made such charges.
    Given that, upon study of the relative merits of S viz 2349, Ms Rebane and many others (including me) concluded that S would not benefit the county over the existing 2349, one can claim that the commentary accompanying the analysis is “biased”. However, there is no evidence that the relative comparison presenting the facts of the matter was in any way flawed. Perhaps Mr Patriot was caught in the heat of the moment when making that gratuitous charge.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Nope, you should know full well I never make things up. Ever.
    Your one to talk about “documentation”. As stated before, you never submit ANY.
    Now how bout those fish? There is plenty of “documentation” right there.
    I do believe Sierra Fund should make their feeling known, and where they stand on this news.
    (now for a little more chain rattling for Paul) “private property” has NO bearing on dredging in a waterway. Thank You Ca. Waterboard and the EPA. Forget the rules and claims of regulatory power? Even a private pond is now under government oversite. ( look it up)
    They are still working on the mud puddle in your front yard! ( vernal pool)
    It sure must bite that the vary regs. your ECO pals have written now apply to your “golden” grows. ( It just ain’t RIGHT!) Sure sucks when that happens.
    Now how bout those fish?

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  8. A. Patriot Avatar
    A. Patriot

    Dr. Rebane, I suggest you re-read my post where I cited 3 specific instances of flaws in your wife’s analysis. The flaws are evident by simply reading the actual text of Measure S. I invite you to show where it allows Medical Cannabis to be grown without limits in any zone, and I refer you to Martin Webb’s eyewitness report on the development of the current ordinance. Lastly, the “implied” purposes are obviously opinion. I would further invite you to provide proof these these implied purposes are indeed facts.

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks Walt for verifying my claim that there is no truth to your jailing of dredgers allegation.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    Let’s hear again the “fact” that “patients” are not getting their “medication” under the current regs.,, and ” MORE just has to be grown!!”
    Granny in S.F. can already get it there, and in Berkeley for FREE! Nevada Co. dosn’t need to supply the Bay. They have plenty from other sources.
    So DO tell us again “S” is all about the sick. ( my ass)

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Paul, This what you get when caught dredging… ANYWHERE. a $1,000 fine and if you have tickets it can ramp up to $10,000 and up to 6 months in jail too.
    You think they let you keep the tools of the crime? FAT CHANCE.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    APatriot 1022am – My apologies for not recognizing the three points in you 656pm as being specific descriptions of the claimed “flaws”. Apparently I responded on at least two of these points to someone else, and now can’t find the copy. So, hopefully the following will serve.
    Your #1: The “crafting” or wordsmithing 2349 is a moot point. It is an ordinance requested and passed by the Board of Supervisors, our county’s legislative body, and therefore every word in the ordinance is theirs and their responsibility. To nitpick who actually cobbled the thing together as a debating point here is both superfluous and ingenuous in the sense that it distracts from the decision the voters face in November. When a bill/law is passed, the legislature takes credit and responsibility for it. And when a bill is introduced by a legislator (say, senator, assemblyman, …), the bill and ALL of its wording is ascribed to him and not to the staffers, lobbyists, policy institutes who all may have contributed to it. Therefore ‘Who wrote it’ statement in JA Rebane’s spreadsheet is completely accurate – we hold our supervisors responsible for writing, understanding, and passing 2349. Continuing to argue that 2349 is not a purposive BoS ordinance but something foisted on them and the county is blowing smoke, pure and simple.
    Your #2: Regarding permitted cultivation areas; if a law or ordinance is silent or moot on the specifics, then it does not forbid or proscribe cultivation in the unmentioned areas. Ordinance 2349 is specific where cultivation is allowed and where it is not. Outside the cited zonings Measure S is silent and contains no prohibitions about permitting grows as indicated in the spreadsheet. Citing default prohibitions by other laws and codes is again disingenuous since the same provisions also limit 2349. But the simple fact is that 2349 is indeed more restrictive than S in where MMJ can be grown, and that is a simple and easily verifiable fact.
    Your #3: The ‘Other/Implied Purposes’ attribute of 2349 and S come from public statements by county officials and the wording in the documents themselves. The county has stated that 2349’s purpose is to “Respond to citizen complaints regarding noxious odor and safety issues.”, and the county’s attempt “to stop NC from becoming the next Mendocino County (of the green MJ triangle).” But it is indeed a (valid IMHO) and in that sense biased interpretation that the implied purpose of S is to “weaken/remove current code restrictions; increase size and zones for grows; favor patient/grower over community/neighbors”, and “perhaps serve as test case for loosening regs in other counties.” Recall that JA Rebane’s article was an advocacy piece for ‘No on S’, and outside the factual comparisons pretended to be nothing else.
    I hope this helps.

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  13. A. Patriot Avatar
    A. Patriot

    It helps not a whit. I certainly don’t feel discussion of who wrote it is superfluous, particularly in light of current litigation. To say S contains, and I quote, “No prohibitions” is accurate. To say “Cultivation is allowed with no prohibitions” is patently false. It does not say “is allowed”. Argue semantics all you want. This statement is purposely misleading. Taking responsibility and credit of the final version is very different from “Who wrote it”, which is a long and arduous process, and one in which the Supervisors had very little direct involvement, further the lack of input from patients and cultivators has been alleged many times. I’d suggest that it is the very reason why 11,000 or so voters directed to county to place Measure S on the ballot. Thank you for admitting that the analysis is indeed biased and “an advocacy piece for “No on S” contingent and that the opinions are just that and not fact. As I said before, flawed and biased.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar

    As a result of todays hearing there will be a full hearing on the issue Friday at the Courthouse in Nevada City. The County has agreed to do no mailing or distribution until after the ruling.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    APatriot 1206pm – Well then, there may be no help forthcoming. But I maintain that you and yours (pro-S) are famously and perhaps successfully attempting to divert attention from the real and only decision voters have on 4 November – either to 1)have S replace 2349 as the legal basis for growing MMJ, or 2) reject S and maintain 2349 as such a legal basis. It matters not whether the actual words were copied, filched, or written by a Martian. They are what they are and they were blessed and passed by our elected BoS. So let’s get on to the merits of the alternatives faced by the voters (or continue blowing irrelevant smoke).
    And that 11K voters are dissatisfied with it is not because of who wordsmithed 2349, but because they don’t like the resulting words (at least give them enough credit for that). The same words could have been written by Moses, and they still would have signed the petition.
    If not giving the wordsmithing personages and histories of 2349 and S in the spreadsheet cells, and simply ascribing them as “NC BoS with citizen & patient input” (according to the county), and “ASA – NC. ASA is national activist group working to ensure safe & legal access to medical marijuana.” is in your judgment a “flaw”, then so be it. But I fear that your assessment of that – and also what ‘added meanings’ you apply to my 1123am – to be fairly unique, perhaps also revealing the way you think and reason. Nevertheless, your arguments do contribute to the debate and are much appreciated.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Gotta love “if I don’t like it, it’s flawed.. It says what I say it does. ”
    Yet no “facts” by A.P.,, just “opinion”.

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  17. A. Patriot Avatar
    A. Patriot

    Then there we are. I will say that I will not presume to speculate on the motives of the 11K signatories to the Ballot Petition. It may be that they didn’t like the words, it may be that Don Bessee and/or Sheriff Royal just “rubbed them the wrong way” during the the “input process” of 2349, but I’d say it certainly indicates that at least a few of our citizens did not feel their input was considered.
    Since Measure S used the current ordinance as it’s main input, and, in fact, is primarily intended to address its shortcomings, I’d also argue that for all practical purposes, County BoS, Sheriff Royal, Don Bessee, Patti Smith, patients and cultivators ALL had input into the crafting of Measure S, along with ASA, ASA-NC and interested citizens at large.
    I seriously doubt that my assessments are unique. Others here are free to confirm or deny this. Perhaps the way I think and reason is unique. I take that as a compliment. Thank you for the acknowledgement of what I hope are also seen by others as genuine contributions.

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I recall Measure F wording was manipulated back in I think 1996 by the Elections office. You must make sure the proponents are happy way up front or this a;ways happens.

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    Can you refresh me about Measure F. Thanks

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Measure F was an initiative Don Qrnell and I wrote to take 50% of the in lieu money and place it on the roads.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar

    Thanks Todd
    I kind of remember that. How did it go? Has there been any other initiatives since then?

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I don’t know if there has been any since.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    I don’t there there has been. There was a threat of one over Dark Horse development around 02 but it never happened.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    What I don’t like about Prop S is that it changes the rules. To be very specific, no one can grow on a parcel that does not have residence. Fair enough, even if you owned the adjoining parcel. Prop/measure S says now you can grow on an adjacent parcel if it is “inhabited”. What the Sam Hill does that mean? That Dorothy and the Tin Man can show up in their magic bus or beat up camper and start cultivating skunk weed? Or maybe let some low life alkie pitch a tent and call it inhabited? Where are they going to take a dump or wash the lice killer out of their hair or keep the youngins sanitary? This raises mega health concerns.
    I like having empty adjoining/ adjacent parcels. Keeps it quiet, serves a a buffer zone, and keeps the riff raft far from my driveway. That’s why folks buy a couple parcels. No growing on them without a legal residence, even if you own 5 parcels in a row.
    Now, some absentee owner in New York can give his brain dead worthless bro-in law and his ax handle ass wide toothless sister permission to grow and camp out on his parcels and have them poop and live there all summer and fall cause it is now inhabited?
    Fuk you whoever wrote that clause in there. We have enough fires started in the homeless camps around town. Just imagine the fire danger proposed by campers out in the woods watching the leaves dry while braiding Mama’s Cass’s armpit hair. Fuk you very much.

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  25. Jon Shilling Avatar
    Jon Shilling

    So where can I find a No on S sign? Just for the record, I would put up a No on 2349 if it was available too. Usually it is said that two wrongs don’t make a right but in this case I hope two bad ordinances will lead to a good one.

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