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Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.  Luke 23:34

George Rebane

On the front of the 20sep14 edition of WSJ is a top-of-the-page herald that reads ‘Climate Science is NOT Settled’ (emphasis theirs; source of filched photo).  I have waited at least ten years for the world’s preeminent newspaper to publish a major essay, so titled and no less by a scientist acknowledged by both true believers and skeptics.  The piece is written by Dr Steven E Koonin, now director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University, and formerly undersecretary for science in the Energy Department during Obama’s first term.  Other positions included professor of theoretical physics and provost at Caltech.  Let me be up front, this is an ‘I told you so all along’ posting in which I will engage in some well-deserved braggadocio here and again.

Tornado_Incipient

Koonin’s piece is somewhat awkward in its attempt to walk back the bamboozle from the ‘science’ and baseless public policies we have been subjected to for the last 20+ years.  However, it is rich in corroborating the exact laundry list of criticisms that we science-savvy climate skeptics have been alerting our readers to for at least a decade.  While the Sierra Economics and Science Foundation and RR have a long string of published critiques of what has passed for climate science from government grant-sucking academics and in the lamestream media, the heavy lifting in informing the public has been done by people like Anthony Watts, Steve McIntyre, and even our own Russ Steele.

Awkward or not, Dr Koonin has the courage to finally break the silence with which Teams Obama, Gore, Schwarzenegger, and now Moonbeam have greeted every substantive counter to the arguments claimed to have been made in the various reports released over the years by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.  Before going into some detail, let me give the overview that Koonin’s arguments follow exactly the (Venn) diagrammatic structure of the same arguments I gave in my 2008 paper ‘Climate Change – A Format for Reasoned Dialogue’ available here.

The tagline to Koonin’s piece is “Climate change is real and affected by human activity, writes a former top science official of the Obama administration.  But we are very far from having the knowledge needed to make good policy.” (emphasis mine)  Koonin opens up with –

The idea that “Climate science is settled” runs through today’s popular and policy discussions. Unfortunately, that claim is misguided. It has not only distorted our public and policy debates on issues related to energy, greenhouse-gas emissions and the environment. But it also has inhibited the scientific and policy discussions that we need to have about our climate future.


No one claims that human activity does not affect weather and climate, but it is the impact of human activity that has been greatly distorted.  Specifically, “the impact today of human activity appears comparable to the intrinsic natural variability of the climate system itself.”  Let me translate this for the non-technical reader – we cannot separate out human contribution to climate change within the natural changes that would occur without human intervention.  Therefore claims that humans have caused this temperature change, or sea level rise, or severity of storms, or polar ice cap changes is specious, ignorant, and cynical.   Our science is not advanced enough to inform us; we simply don’t know.

Then Koonin correctly identifies the question “hardest to answer” – ‘How will the climate change over the next century under both natural and human influences?’  This is the preamble to a discussion of computer climate models and their manifest shortcomings.  All covered in more detail here (see my above paper) and elsewhere (see also 2007 paper by McKitrick and Michaels) by those of us who have made careers in computer modeling of complex realworld processes – a skill in obvious short supply among the vociferous IPCC ‘climate scientists’.

Again, for the non-technical reader, we don’t understand the fundamental (and multifarious) climate processes well enough to model them independently, let alone how they would perform when integrated with other process models about which we are equally ignorant.  All the current models are cobbled together using inter-process links and feedbacks defined in essence by ‘brown numbers’  (originating from where the sun don’t shine).  These brown numbers are dredged out from attempts to fit the models to historical data on such atmospheric variables as CO2 concentration, temperature, …, which data records themselves are highly unreliable.  And using such brown numbers, the agenda driven ‘scientists’ then run the models forward in timeframes that range from fifty to a hundred years.  Reading the resulting smelly model outputs, they strap on a straight face and report to the know-nothing politicians that the world will come to an end if we don’t stop doing this, that, and the other thing RIGHT NOW!!  And across the world the even more science-deprived (read dumber) public figures start echoing and amplifying the dire warnings like a legion of bobbing heads on a dash panel.

What has been most reprehensible by the know-nothings like Obama and Gore is that they claim to derive truth from a ‘scientific consensus’ on climate change.  The real truth of the matter is that there has never been any scientific consensus on the interpretation of the climate records, the understanding of climate processes, the composition and operation of large computer models, and the results that these have spit out.  Any claims to the contrary by those sporting technical degrees is out and out fraud (not Koonin’s words, he wouldn’t dare), or ignorance of the magnitude that demands such degree holders sue for tuition refunds because their schools didn’t teach them anything.

And lest you think that the above paragraph concluded in hyperbole, consider that climate predicting has openly declared itself not ready for prime time, let alone as forming basis for public policy.  This is the ‘smoking gun’ – it is the only area of science that many of us are aware wherein the uncertainty bounds on its predictions have not decreased over time, as the accepted primary indicator that we understand more today than we did yesterday (more here).  The IPCC’s duufus brigade has just looked at such damning results, but haven’t had a clue about what to make of it as they continue to ensure one and all that the sky is falling.

Here’s the bottom line after Koonin brings us through the travails and foibles of climate modeling –

These and many other open questions are in fact described in the IPCC research reports, although a detailed and knowledgeable reading is sometimes required to discern them. They are not “minor” issues to be “cleaned up” by further research. Rather, they are deficiencies that erode confidence in the computer projections. Work to resolve these shortcomings in climate models should be among the top priorities for climate research. … Yet a public official reading only the IPCC’s “Summary for Policy Makers” would gain little sense of the extent or implications of these deficiencies. These are fundamental challenges to our understanding of human impacts on the climate, and they should not be dismissed with the mantra that “climate science is settled.”

If we ever walk back the bad science that has so polluted the issues of climate change and manmade global warming, then we can have a reasoned public debate about what prudent actions would serve in our current state of knowledge or ignorance.  Most would agree with Koonin’s conclusion that –

Individuals and countries can legitimately disagree about these matters, so the discussion should not be about “believing” or “denying” the science. Despite the statements of numerous scientific societies, the scientific community cannot claim any special expertise in addressing issues related to humanity’s deepest goals and values. The political and diplomatic spheres are best suited to debating and resolving such questions, and misrepresenting the current state of climate science does nothing to advance that effort. … Any serious discussion of the changing climate must begin by acknowledging not only the scientific certainties but also the uncertainties, especially in projecting the future. Recognizing those limits, rather than ignoring them, will lead to a more sober and ultimately more productive discussion of climate change and climate policies.

Finally, I would like to remind RR readers of the damage to public goodwill and harmony that local promoters of big government have done in this arena.  In our community the growing progressive influx has brought with it all the slogans and mantras decrying how man is ‘destroying earth’s climate’ and demanding draconian policies that impose green collectivism (as embodied in Agenda21) as our only path to salvation.  These locals embody the worst of what self-declared elites can foist upon the intellectually defenseless.  In recent years they have caused untold damage to California’s economy and quality of life by promoting such laws as AB32 (‘Global Warming Solutions Act’) along with platoons of EPA regulations covering everything from water usage to cow farts that most egregiously affect rural and less developed parts of the state.  These self-styled promoters of the environment are themselves profoundly ignorant, and to the extent that they are aware of their dumbth and continue their activism, they are also consummately cynical knowing how they impact our lives on the local level.  So far we have only responded to them most generously with various elaborations of the prayer, ‘Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.’

(An example of the kool-aid continuously consumed by local lefties is that on ncvoices.us, an otherwise useful source for local blogs and information sites, RR is listed off-screen on right edge with a group of mostly conservative websites under the heading ‘Denialism/Climate Contrarians’.   Such an appellation and the editorial copy that follows are more than sufficient to inform the reader about the science credentials of that site’s author.)

[22sep14 update]  The propaganda engines are humming this morning reporting yesterday’s People’s Climate March and the upcoming UN’s pre-conference on climate.  I find it interesting how brazenly the Left is taking the last vestiges of science out of global warming which is now 1) axiomatically accepted as being man-made AND man-correctible (AGW), and 2) that its real purpose is to unite people worldwide to destroy capitalism and put in a new social and economic order.

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A notable example of this kind of reportage was very evident on today’s National Propaganda Radio’s Morning Edition.  It reported on the big march in NYC and the UN conference.  Cited was the large ideological divide in who believes in AGW – Democrats overwhelmingly, Republicans sparingly.  AGW was posited multiple times in its ‘debate is over’ and ‘science is settled’ versions.  And the report ended with a Democratic strategist outlining how blacks and Hispanics, who don’t usually vote, will be motivated to do so by bringing AGW to them in readily understandable “kitchen table talk” formats in which they are told that all inclement weather events are due to and direct evidence of AGW.  To bring us back from the brink and have good weather again, they need to think socialism and vote Democratic.  (See also the many informative and corroborative comments attending this post, and this on Russ Steele’s Sierra Foothill Commentary.)

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102 responses to “Walking Back Climate ‘Science’ & Policy (updated 22sep14)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    Hear of Bernie Sanders? ( Elected Socialist) JoeK’s hero…
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/22/bernie-sanders-global-warming-debate-is-over-video/
    OH PLEASE let him run for Prez…

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  2. Walt Avatar

    Tom McClintock called it. The King fire is as bad as it is due to runaway environmentalism.
    The ECO gang got the loggers out of the forests so not even thinning could be done.
    Now wait for the lawsuits to stop salvage logging.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    What really matters is not the Peoples Climate Parade of Fools, not the mountains of trash, nor the ghastly carbon monoxide spewing buses bringing thousands of folks in causing massive snarled traffic and more carbon spewing idling cars. Nope, what really matters is after all the speeches and protests and vows of a Brave New World are over, what will be done in the legislative realm.
    I say let them have their festivities in the concrete jungle and wish them a safe trip home. Just like Occupie Wall Street. When the party is over, have the adults clean up the kiddies’ mess and turn off the lights.

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    And the report ended with a Democratic strategist outlining how blacks and Hispanics, who don’t usually vote, will be motivated to do so by bringing AGW to them in readily understandable “kitchen table talk” formats in which they are told that all inclement weather events are due to and direct evidence of AGW. To bring us back from the brink and have good weather again, they need to think socialism and vote Democratic.
    I suppose that this is a slight improvement in the usual paternalistic interaction with blacks and browns from the progressive white SWPL/SJW cadre! It’s usually “we need to give you more free shit”. This is an appeal to a loftier goal.
    I guess we’ll have to see how it will play out?

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  5. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    You all can keep cherry picking all of the editorials and articles you want to support your view, but it’s not going to change the outcome. To associate climate change to some political plot to destroy capitalism and institute socialism (whatever that is) is pure fiction promoted by the super wealthy because their grip on the world is beginning to slip and their power and extravagant wasteful lifestyles are being threatened by the millions of people who got out in the streets all over the world this past weekend. Spoiled rich kids don’t like to be told no. The only people who still deny climate change are the uninformed, misinformed, and ideologically handicapped.
    BTW- the Rockefeller decision was purely business. The reasoning behind it was simple dollars and cents. Because oil companies will never be able to pump all of the oil from the leases they hold, their stock value will decline as their assets become unrecoverable. In the face of this, the stock of alternative energy firms will correspondingly increase, Thus the switch away from fossil fuels. Some analysts compare this to the South and slavery. Vast sums of wealth were tied up in the ownership of slaves. When the slave were freed the aristocrats on their plantations lost 2/3 of their wealth. Oil is the same thing.

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    The only people who still deny climate change are the uninformed, misinformed, and ideologically handicapped.
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha!
    Ahhh…….Whew…thanks Joe! You just made my morning.

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  7. Russ Steele Avatar

    JoeK@10:01AM
    You wrote this butt stupid remark in the post above: The only people who still deny climate change are the uninformed, misinformed, and ideologically handicapped.”
    We are not denying that the climate is changing, it has been doing that for billions of years, since the planet was formed and humans arrived. Humans have been recording temperature changes since about 1850. On the other hand the ice core records go back about 800,000 years. In the period between 130,000 and 115,000 years ago, Earth’s climate was warmer than today, and their were few humans around to influence that climate change.
    The real climate change issue is that you and your fellow lefties are claiming that humans are responsible for the most recent climate change due ot CO2 emissions. A study of rising temperatures along the U.S. West Coast during the past century are almost entirely the result of natural forces — not human emissions of greenhouse gases, according to a new study released in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. More details HERE.
    Recent studies have show little correlation between CO2 emissions and temperature change, even the climate models have been proven wrong by the historical record. What factual evidence can provide that humans are responsible for the most recent warming since the 1900? Can you explain the pause in climate change over the past 17 years, while CO2 emissions have continued to increase. Where are your cherry picked facts?

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Climate change? Yep, right out my door every day. Manmade global warming? Only in JoeK’s mind. My goodness he is a sheeple. JoeK, jump off the cliff man, you are hopelessly brainwashed!
    It is and always has been, a political movement. All the commies moved to the green movement after their herops went the way of the DoDo. Hell, even Gorbachev became a greenie!

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Well if nothing else Joes argument is a solid position from which to discount the need for further regulation and “Cap and Tax” schemes offered by the presumably non-ideologically handicapped. If oil is indeed a “wasting asset” that the financially astute seek to rid themselves then it would be the gravest of policy errors to get the government addicted to this revenue stream.
    I retract my earlier guffaw Joe….you may have thought this through more than I have given you credit.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    Poor Joe has cool-aid bonged the whole glass, and in true Berkeley LIB frat boy fashion
    demands a second dose.
    Let’s have the hard facts there JOsephine. Indisputable numbers scientific data.
    ANYTHING other than conjecture and feelings.
    Sue Iceland, and demand they put out that volcano. If man can change the weather, we can surely snuff one cantankerous little lava flow and all that SO2 emissions.
    A few fire hoses should do the trick,,, right Joe?
    Oh silly me… AGW is responsible for the eruption. ( according ECO LIB thinking)

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Rockefeller heirs are divesting $60 million from energy of their $50 billion fortune. Now isn’t that special? Too funny. Why don’t they give it all away? After-all, all that money was made from oil! Oh well, the kids are spoiled I guess. Those cocktail parties are more important.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 1001am – You are indeed a treasure to behold.
    What is hard to understand about the videos of the People’s Climate March containing throngs of socialist slogans on placards, and too numerous interviews with the organizers proclaiming the need to capsize capitalism? The ongoing demonstration of how a liberal mind works is always good to see, because when we describe to a person not so exposed, they often have a hard time believing.
    And your detail about the economics of an abundant resource approaching commodity pricing levels is also a useful review of liberals’ understanding of economics. Most certainly all investors seeing such a future for fossil fuels will exit their long positions – Rockerfellers included. But the only reason that they would then go long on ‘green energy’ is the expectation of the government’s gun used to mangle the markets and mandate green energy winners, much to the dismay of consumers, especially those eternally dimwitted Democrats in the lower two quintiles. The rest of us recall that after the slave owners lost their investments in cotton, that fiber still remained a world staple and demand for it grew, along with the wealth of new investors funding the growth.
    The same thing will happen to oil and gas, the world demand for it will grow, and especially in the less developed world. There cheap fossil fuels will give rise to all kinds of energy intensive industries and a better QoL for the people. All this while the green socialist dominated countries that dun fossil fuels keep wondering why their jobs are going overseas, income inequality keeps rising, and their QoL is plummeting. Nevertheless, for an intellectually disadvantaged electorate on the government tit, none of this will matter. Such people will continue to believe that their socialist politicians still have a “stash”, filled by taking from the remaining taxpayers and distributed to them forever. It’s all on the signs carried in the People’s Climate March.

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  13. Walt Avatar

    When you plug in your electric car Joe,, take a moment to ponder where the other end of that power line is connected to. Dollars to donuts it’s a fossil fueled power plant.

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 23 September 2014 at 11:33 AM
    Not necessarily Walt….it could be a lower carbon gas fired (Gas considered less offensive to those similarly non ideologically handicapped like Mr. Koyote while technically being considered a fossil fuel) combined cycle, wind powered or even electricity from a California rump nuclear plant. JoKe can even deliberately pay more by buying an indulgence of “certified” green electricity. If Joe wants to pay triple for his juice that is his right as a consumer.

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    Talk about Ideologically non handicapped……
    http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/09/21/robert-f-kennedy-jr-wants-to-jail-his-political-opponents-accuses-koch-brothers-of-treason-they-ought-to-be-serving-time-for-it/
    I think that this particular Kennedy is missing a great opportunity to serve in the Maduro regime (Venezuela)…..those cats know how to punish crimethinkers.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Well then again hydro-electric,, if he can plug right in to the substation,, but then there is your namesake to fawn over. Those evil dams…..

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  17. Russ Steele Avatar

    At the UN Obama went on a non-scientific rant about the pseudoscience of manmade climate change according to a report in Breibart News.
    “In America,” he said, “the past decade has been our hottest on record” – neglecting, of course, to mention that according to Christopher Booker of the UK Telegraph, “The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record.” Obama continued with his litany of alarmism: floods, wildfire seasons getting longer, droughts, rainstorms.
    “Worldwide,” Obama concluded, “this summer was the hottest ever recorded – with global carbon emissions still on the rise.” In the United States, however, better technologies are stanching the rise of carbon emissions – while 2013 saw a rise in American carbon emissions, America saw a steady decline in CO2 emissions from 2006 on, thanks in large part to recession. That process, by the way, works in reverse as well: purposefully cutting carbon emissions can destroy economies.

    Reminds me of JoeK’s comment: “The only people who still deny climate change are the uninformed, misinformed, and ideologically handicapped.”
    It appears to me that President Obama falls into the the “uninformed, misinformed, and ideologically handicapped” category.

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  18. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Gregory 1235pm – Well yes. “…social obligations of the Rockefeller heirs and the sorts of parties they want to be invited to.” = politics.” GR 22 Sep 12:48 PM
    George, no, it’s much deeper than Politics. It’s tribalism. Friend or Foe, IFF as they say in the military biz.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I should have mentioned that JoKe’s IFF is also fully functional and almost certainly would like to think he could also be invited to those sorts of parties. Imagine, being able to hobbnobb with the likes of the socially aware Rockefeller descendants, who actually can afford to employ Real Scientists to tell them what they want to hear, in black tie, while decrying the environmental destruction the soothsaying Goracles have foretold unless the peasantry can be pried out of their cars and suburbs and into high density housing close to the workhouses they have to spend all their time at because they chose the wrong parents.

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 120pm – I just wanted to tell you that I covered the ‘politics’ aspect of it, but nowhere did I limit it to those factors. I’m sure it’s also tribalism, and then you may even add a couple more. (BTW, thanks for the IFF heads up to a guy with decades in the combat systems biz 😉

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  21. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, I figured if I just wrote IFF you’d be the only one to get it. Maybe also Russ.
    🙂

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  22. Walt Avatar

    What am I??? chopped hippie? Me git’s it two…

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  23. Walt Avatar

    Damn.. Joe is in for more gas…
    http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-pacific-warming-20140923-story.html
    And from a LIB rag no less.. Looking to be credible?

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 201pm – 😉

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I think that this particular Kennedy is missing a great opportunity to serve in the Maduro regime” -fish
    I actually had the chance to shake the hand of Robert F. Kennedy Version 1.0 in ’68, about a week before the tragic end of his Campaign in the California primary at the hand of Sirhan Sirhan. Compared to his alcoholic junkie progeny, RFK looks positively Republican.

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    George, I figured if I just wrote IFF you’d be the only one to get it. Maybe also Russ. 🙂
    Me as well…I did my time in the “Chair Force”.

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 23 September 2014 at 04:53 PM
    Republican or not… I’m sure that he wouldn’t in any way resemble what clumped together in the dirty end of the Kennedy compound Gene Pool and now speaks at climate rallys.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    algore said today that the drought in CA is caused by Global warming, hockey stick style, not natural variations of wind and ocean current patterns on our left coast. The LA Times and algore see the same tree differently and each paint a totally different picture. Good thing the Times went with the science on this one.
    Then algore went on to say in the next breath that the dry conditions in Ca………drumroll please…..said the dry conditions sparked the wildfires now burning in Ca. What an absolute genius he is, a regular Dickhead Tracy. There has been wildfires in Ca in September after a long hot summers every single year I have been alive. Holy Smokes, algore in brilliant.
    Is it too late to get tickets to the event so I can hear more pearls of wisdom straight from the jackass’s mouth, or at least straight from his massage table?

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  29. Walt Avatar

    I guess Gore in his infinite wisdom forgot about the 49er fire, which as in Oct.
    These huge fires are a direct result of the loggers being driven from the forests.
    Now the tree huggers can inhale those tress they like so much.. “organic” air if you will.

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  30. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    george 11:20
    “And your detail about the economics of an abundant resource approaching commodity pricing levels is also a useful review of liberals’ understanding of economics.” — This was not my understanding of the situation. This is what the Rockefeller’s trust fund manager said in an interview as to the logic behind the divestment of their (and a group of other billionaires) fossil fuel holdings. The last time I checked, with a few exceptions, the Rockefellers aren’t your typical liberals are they? Wasn’t VP Nelson Rockefeller a Republican as was Nelson Aldridge (his uncle) who introduced the federal graduated income tax bill in Congress? You see it was the Republicans who started those taxes we all complain about so much.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yep, and both the 49er fire and the King fire were set by humans, not spontaneous combustion caused by a man made hockey stick which causes bushes all over the globe to burst into flames like magic. Tell me, algore, which way does the wind blow?
    What an organic douche bag he is.

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    JoeK 810pm – blaming all the subsequent problems with the graduated income tax on its originator is kinda like blaming all the bad things a person does on the one who once saved his life.

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  33. Walt Avatar

    What’s the beef with taxes Joe? LIBS love them. And the steeper the tax rate the better.

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  34. Russ Steele Avatar

    Climate Movements Drops Mask, Admits Communist Agenda.
    Zombie writes at PJMedia:
    Communists along with a few environmental groups staged a “People’s Climate Rally” in Oakland, California on Sunday, September 21, in conjunction with the larger “People’s Climate March” in New York City on the same day.
    Wait — did I say communists? Isn’t that a bit of an exaggeration?
    Well…no.
    At the New York event, many people noticed that gee, there sure are a lot of communists at this march. But in Oakland — always on the cutting edge — the entire “climate change” movement at last fully, irrevocably and overtly embraced communism as its stated goal. Any concerns about “optics” or operating in “stealth mode” were abandoned.
    The “climate change” “crisis” is now nothing but the latest justification for “total revolution” and getting rid of capitalism forever.
    Photo evidence at the this LINK

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  35. RL Crabb Avatar

    Yes, the goal of destroying capitalism has finally been revealed. It’s the reason I have have been so critical of liberals and progressives, even though I consider myself to be liberal on most issues. Just don’t expect me to climb on the teapot brigade. Too many religious fanatics and lunatics. And the capitalists have much of the blame on their own heads for this turn of events. You’d think they never read about the French revolution.

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  36. Russ Steele Avatar

    Environmental Wackos Applying Influence
    September 24, 2014 A powerful cohort of Silicon Valley firms are bolting from the American Legislative Exchange Council following a renewed spurt of public outrage over the conservative group’s views on climate change.
    Facebook announced late Tuesday it would likely end its affiliation with ALEC next year, joining a recent wave of tech companies seeking divorce from the controversial organization, which has drawn heated ire from left-leaning public-interest groups for years. Just a day earlier, Google Chairman Eric Schmidt announced plans to cut ties with ALEC, accusing them of “just literally lying” about climate change.

    Add Yelp, Google and Microsoft to the list of companies that are supporting the warmers by not funding conservative organizations who refuse to buy into the anthropogenic global warming religion.
    Would you buy products from a company that supports bad unproven science like anthropogenic global warming. Science that cannot be validated by observational science!

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    RLCrabb 808am – There is no doubt that one could ask the big corporations to behave better. But we must always recall that big corporations need the government gun to survive, and it is government that sets/enforces the rules in which opportunistic capitalists operate. Basic truth – the good thing about capitalists is that they game the system, the bad thing about capitalists is that they game the system. Government defines the system, and you never want to it to be such that capitalists are prevented from using their ingenuity to game it. (Obverse of that if you’re a socialist.)

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Seems it only the U.S. that gets stuck with bill for the scam of AGW.
    Where is Mr. SBC?? He has connections in China. ( I recall his bragging about an informational visit a while back.) He needs to pay another visit.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/24/climate-change-china-rebuts-obama/
    Time to go to work dude,, the world needs you. Maybe they can help you out on that rent problem.

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  39. Russ Steele Avatar

    Investigation: Do you know of anyone in Nevada County that attended the People’s Climate March in New York, riding the special train, or the Oakland People’s Climate Rally. More details the true nature of these marches HERE.

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  40. Walt Avatar

    Was wondering myself Russ, I don’t think one will admit to boarding that “special” train.
    They are all “touched” in the head to start with.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    More…. Short translation… ” We don’t know sh**”…
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/25/another-study-finds-that-climate-models-are-over-sensitive-to-co2-increases/
    In the computer lingo,, ” garbage in,, garbage out”.

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    re Walt 1023am – these citations of actual science that do not corroborate any of the AGW claims are either ignored or vehemently denied. Moreover, citing specific data and analyses countering the fomented inter/national hysteria is simply turned on its head, and the person who offers specific citations is attacked. For example look at JoeK’s 1001am above that denigrates the “editorial” which reports on the status of climate science and computer models. Such retorts are the sum and stuff on all liberal media including leftwing blogs – the myth must be maintained at any cost (to the taxpayer). BTW, I have no idea what JoeK’s education or training is, but I can state with some certainty that his and my expertise in science and computer simulation do not overlap.
    Further on how socialist economics fails on the grand scale, consider what Germany is walking back on their green energy programs given their decisions to reject nuclear power and limit fossil fuel energy production. Their energy costs are going through the roof, and now Merkel is forced to start using more coal than ever to provide Germans electricity. The country’s much ballyhooed 2020 carbon reduction goals have just gone out the window big time. More here in ‘Germany’s Coal Binge’ –
    http://online.wsj.com/articles/germanys-coal-binge-1411599265
    Meanwhile, a gaggle of central planners and controllers (aka useless idiots) are gathering in NYC to set plans for the 2015 climate fiasco.

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  43. Walt Avatar

    How true George.. I recall posting pic.s of weeds growing over an abandoned solar power plant. The true believers couldn’t even accept the visual evidence. Yes,, the Germans basically said ” Screwin zee THIS!” Then there was the comment ” Other people’s money has run out We are going back to the cheap and reliable sources.”

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  44. Walt Avatar

    A little update from Iceland.
    http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/bardarbunga/seismic-crisis-2014/updates.html
    Please note the record breaking gas emissions
    ” Gas releases are record-breaking figures: approx 10-20,000 tons of gasses (mainly SO2) are released each day.” And this has been going on for close to a month.
    SO2 is far more dangerous than CO2 to “climate”.

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  45. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    After listening to NPR, I learned a new phrase. It’s called environmental racism. Catchy, is it not? Am I an environmental racist, or just a common run of the mill racist? Inquiring minds would like to know.
    The other thing I learned (besides some actor name Leo is an official UN Peace Ambassador) is that if we stop the flow of oil, militaries across our Orb could not wage war cause armies wage war on oil. No oil, no fueling a war. Just think of all the money we would save by cutting off fossil fuels to war machines. Armies fight on oil, not for oil. Berry, berry interesting.
    Yes, there is more. All these nations gathered together after the Global Warmer’s Parade declared promises to reforest one million miles of this Orb. From Canada, down to the USA, down to the Amazon jungles of Latin America, especially the Amazon rainy forests. However, the heads of states of the rainy forests countries voted no cause they were all butt hurt big time. Seems nobody consulted them before the vote and they cross their arms and pouted and gave the ole thumbs down.
    The final thing I learned was a no brainer and easier than shooting fish in a barrel. But, I learned I was correct once again to my relief. All the proclamations issuing forth from New York City are non-binding. Flowery words were like red meat the the assembled masses, yet when the rubber meets the road, it was a big pep rally and nothing to show for it. See ya next time in Lima then in Paris. Start writing more speeches and stamp out environmental racism while you are at it. Too hip, gotta go. My private jet is awaiting.

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    For those who missed it, an account of Koonin’s WSJ piece was carried in Physics Today, a publication of the American Institute of Physics.
    http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/news/10.1063/PT.5.8071
    I hadn’t made the connection, but Dr.Koonin is the guy the American Physical Society tapped to review the science for their revisit of their climate change statement, charing the workshop that reviewed the science last winter. I’d say, considering the strong language in the WJS piece, the APS may well be on the way to being the first major scientific organization to jump off the AGW bandwagon.
    http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/upload/climate-seminar-transcript.pdf

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 858pm – Good catch Gregory, keep us posted.

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  48. Walt Avatar

    The cool-aid drinkers are looking for a stronger brand of elixir now.
    The ginned up computer models have been debunked with the garbage in, garbage out information, ( all about grant money to spend) Funny thing about silicon chips, you can make them spit out anything you want, and call it gospel. The jig is UP!
    So much for that “The science is settled” crap. Seems it’s the AGW kooks that are science DENIERS.
    Well I’m good and ready for the coming cold, I have my supply of sequestered carbon well stacked and in plentiful supply. ( the local gas man hates me)

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  49. Russ Steele Avatar

    Gregory at 8:58PM
    Great find. Looking forward to the American Physical Society press release.

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