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Marijuana Ordinance Utility/Criteria

11 September 2014

George Rebane

In the comment stream to ‘Medical Marijuana Cultivation Initiative’ I suggested that a better marijuana ordinance for Nevada County should be developed through a more systematic process starting with laying out what are the criteria that the provisions of such an ordinance should satisfy. A collection of such criteria are also known as a ‘utility function’ against which candidate ordinances or their several provisions can be evaluated. To be clear, in a reasonable development process such a utility function or set of criteria are agreed upon by the parties that will draft the ordinance BEFORE they start writing the individual provisions.

In the figure below I illustrate an example of such criteria for a marijuana ordinance (as I promised to do in the referenced comment stream). Readers may now comment on the adequacy of what I have offered and/or suggest modifications to it. I will do my best to incorporate all such reasonable changes, and then we can see what kind of consensus can be had at this level of developing a better ordinance. All should understand that if we can’t agree on what a good ordinance looks like, then we have no hope of agreeing on ANY fully fleshed out ordinance, and it’s back to politics as usual. Going through this procedure should be illuminating (even in its rejection).

Posted in Critical Thinking & Numeracy, Current Affairs, Nevada County

203 responses to “Marijuana Ordinance Utility/Criteria”

Richard Wynn

15 September 2014

The whole issue of Mr. Bessee fabricating the Alta Sierra grow with his “photographic evidence”, as well as the hundreds of issues, especially when members of the BOS have the psychological reports (which are very scary), and the court documentation supporting my statements, including reports by the Sheriff’s Department that state that this person is qualified for a 5150, yet Nate Beason places this person as “the counties mediator” for the most recent Wedding land use issue.
Section 5150 is a section of the California Welfare and Institutions Code (specifically, the Lanterman–Petris–Short Act or “LPS”) which allows a qualified officer or clinician to involuntarily confine a person suspected to have a mental disorder that makes him or her a danger to self, a danger to others, and/or gravely disabled. A qualified officer, which includes any California peace officer, as well as any specifically designated county clinician, can request the confinement after signing a written declaration.
Mr. Rebane knowing the education that you have, would you trust someone with the track record of this person, and would you, if you were in a leadership position in this county, be placing this person in any type of “leadership position” representing any organization you’re associated with?
In fact I’m not trashing this person, if anything I’m protecting the people in our county, like you any your wife, and my kids who live near him and have found dead rodents in their mailbox, all presents from the person.
My grand-kids are not allowed to play outside anymore (if he it outside) and my daughter is so “freaked out” by Mr. Bessee, as he has numerous huge spotlights on every night, yet he wants to complain about someone who grows some pot who has light on, yet he has 12 huge spotlights on (the whole night) that you can see from the end of the block.
I find that when you have the court documentation to support your statements, and then people like Todd Juvinall make statements saying that these assertions must be a “rouse” to be interesting.
I find that people like Todd, and Walt truly cannot see the forest through the trees…..
In the next week I will forward you a complete set of these court documents and then I’ll let you make up your mind for yourself. I know your address as I met your wife at your home a few years back, so I will send you a copy of these documents at that location.

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Todd Juvinall

15 September 2014

So since I don’t have a clue according to Richard Wynn, perhaps he can tell us what the personal issue he has with Mr. Bessee is? Have you been molested? Robbed? Bludgeoned? I have no idea what your personal attacks have to do with the ordinance that I am not involved wth. So, tell us all so it is clear or Mr. Wynn, you will be viewed by me and the others as just a kook with some ax to grind.

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Bill Tozer

15 September 2014

Well, Mr Todd, this may be on topic since Mr. Richard discusses nuisance neighbors, although not exactly marihuana cultivating skunk weed kind of nuisance neighbors. Hey, what’s wrong with being a wee bit off one’s rocker anyways. I be on the crazy side, but it ain’t like I am huffing on a doobie or doing something offensive like going to town naked as a jaw bird, which would be a crime against humanity and nature.
Every neighborhood has a road Nazi, but, darn, I just can’t steer this on topic of growers rights versus community rights. What we need here is a community organizer to sort this out. Ooooppps strike that idea. Must be crazy to go down that road again. I have no idea where that came from. Crazier than thinking I have contributed anything to this conversation. I slink away now to back under the shrink’s couch.

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Walt

15 September 2014

OK RW,, lets have your personal experience with weed. Details pal,, details.
You smoke it? How long? You grow? Inside or out or both? When is family bong night? Want your kids to have their own stash boxes and invite the friends over?
Go ahead and rent your second or third home to a grower. Enjoy the damage.
“S” gives growers the green light not to tell you they will be growing on the property you own..
Let me rent your car for a week. It’s no skin off my nose if I take it boony crashing,, Good luck getting ME to pay for the damages. It’s your fault you rented it to me in the first place. It’s your car,, you fix it.
That’s what insurance is for.. Right? Does it cover the guy you rented to?
I have plenty of experience with MJ.. How much do you have?
Spill it.

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Don Bessee

15 September 2014

oopsie! The only person in the County who has ever tried to sell the concept that the Sheriff and me lied about the abusive pot grow by the AS elementary school and that it never happened and the pictures were photo shopped is Brad Pecimer-Glasse-Richard-Wynn. Of course the real problem is the property still looks like the day the photos were taken with the abandoned whinny and fertilizer tank still there. Just drive by. Hey Brad the last time you told your story wasn’t I a Marine on mental leave from the gulf war? While I love our Marines and Swabbies I am Air Force. When I go to my next D.E.A. training I will be sure to share your story with the Sacramento area FBI Special Agent in Charge. Your for profit pot farm has been abated so that should be ok, right?

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Walt

15 September 2014

Yup,, MJ is just fine and harmless…
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/10/teenagers-who-use-cannabis-every-day-60-less-likely-to-finish-school

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Walt

15 September 2014

What’s wrong Wynn? No stones to answer my questions?
Come on… Let’s hear the greatness from your personal experience’s with MJ.

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Richard Wynn

16 September 2014

I have spoken with Brad, and he has “informed” me about your activities, and gave me the person to contact to get copies of the documents related to your activities, so what about the numerous other issues such as the claiming be be a International Banker? I guess working at a check cashing establishment is such hard work, especially when you’ve were only able to be employed there for 2 weeks.
Being a true conservative, I don’t like the fact that you’re on my mean ticket for your inability to do anything other than harass neighbors and cause trouble for my daughter neighborhood.
Especially when it appears that your nothing but a professional BS artist.
The ASPOA and other neighborhood groups want nothing to do with you, and they have asked to not tell people that they are associated with you.
Why is that?
I was able to secure some “interesting” documentation on you Don. so what about the jail charges, and your probation order for the “interesting” 30 minute messages you leave on peoples phones? Why did you spend time in jail for this?
Or the Military (DD214) on a mental discharge, and yet you still don’t have to work? I saw you at the grocery store one day, so how does a mental defect give you a handicapped parking permit, please explain this one, as I saw a handicapped van pull up and you (who are physically able to move nicely, with your nice 49ers shirt and shorts going into the store) just looked at the couple who were forced to park their van away from the store and had issues disembarking and moving into the store…
How does that work?
Why you still owe your ex-wife $30K, and your wife still owe’s $200K in back child support? I guess your concern for children doesn’t apply when you’re taking food out of your progenies mouths… It must be nice Don to find a mentally challenged woman who you can talk into getting onto the title of her home and then put yourself on title of her Alta Sierra home (that she owned free and clear) and then proceeded to do a cash-out refinance to pay your back State and Federal income taxes of @$195,000. Especially when she still owes @$200,000 in back child support, and you got to pay your taxes liens.
Why don’t you tell us about your photo fabrication? See Don, when you fabricate stuff you need to be smart enough to know which foot is a size 12 and which is not…… That way the next time you’ll have a chance of not being censured by the Nevada County Court for fabrication photographic evidence, and not held in contempt by Nevada County Superior Court.
Why don’t you tell us about the incident, and having to go to court over putting a running hose into the kitchen window of your Alta Sierra next door neighbor.
It must be sad when you are responsible for the shooting of Blackie (ellen’s / your wifes’s cat) and then placing of dead animals into my daughters mailbox, as I have my daughters police reports about this too.
What about the numerous restraining orders? Can you explain why businesses in Alta Sierra have taken these out on you, forcing you to stay away from them?
I find it rather sad that your mental illness has been the primary driver in your life, and I must say that the psychological report that I have, shows that this psychologist knew you, and your condition well.
Like I sad Don, the list goes on and on and on…..

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Richard Wynn

16 September 2014

Walt, sorry that I couldn’t jump right to attention and answer your questions, but I have never smoked weed, as I am a 84 year old retired military vet who is trying to get my daughter and grand kids to move back to southern California, I am here until that happens….
See I have more to do with my remaining time here than sit on the computer awaiting to answer your every question….

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Walt

16 September 2014

Love it. You don’t have a clue about effects of dope, yet think it’s a good idea to legalize. There has been plenty of that on this page. ” Oh noooo… I’m not a user, or have used… But it’s SAFE!!” It’s not hard to pick out the profiteers.
I thought with age came wisdom? Where’s the wisdom in setting a mind altering substance off the leash?

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Michael R. Kesti

16 September 2014

Oh, please, Walt. You’re embarrassing yourself.
A pro-legalization stance, in and of itself, is not proof of profiteering. Your implication is at least rude and perhaps libelous.
One need not be an ex-user in order to have a valid opinion concerning the risks and benefits of using any more than a doctor needs to have been had all of the conditions for which he may prescribe treatment.
Have you more windmills at which you wish to tilt?

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Michael R. Kesti

16 September 2014

Walt 16Sep14 09:57 AM
I seem to have missed the questions at the end of your article.
Wisdom does not necessarily come with age.
As for, “…setting a mind altering substance off the leash,” I would point out to you that alcohol and tobacco/nicotine (to which you are addicted) are mind altering substances, too, which is why they are leashed, not by the chain of criminalization but instead with the rope of regulated control. Our government now spends 10’s of billions of dollars per year to enforce and prosecute marijuana laws, and to incarcerate marijuana users yet is all but completely ineffective at stopping use. This seems insane to me, and regulating marijuana in the same way we do alcohol and tobacco makes far more sense.

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Paul Emery

16 September 2014

Walt
Since you favor the criminalization of Marijuana possession and distribution what “tools” do you think law enforcement should have to bring the lawbreakers to justice and how much do you think we should spend to accomplish that task?

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Walt

16 September 2014

Watch it MK, I don’t drink. And cigs. don’t “alter” the mind. MJ slows reaction time. Blurs the vision. Makes one VARY drowsy. Comprehension is severely compromised. ( And makes one dumber than a box of rocks.)
Ya’ think the “busted one” would like his defense att. stoned while in court?
Go try it. Think it’s good stuff? Let your kids have a go at it.

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Walt

16 September 2014

It’s said only 3% of the population use for med. issues.
The rest is recreational. Yes.. Profit is the end goal. Sue me.

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George Rebane

16 September 2014

MichaelK’s 1148am makes the point that finally resolved the issue for me.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2008/12/off-the-fence-about-drugs.html
Now the quest is to find the right kind of ‘leash’ for MJ. But the forces arrayed against legalizing recreational use are formidable – it is the one thing on which the cartels and law enforcement are in complete agreement. In the meantime we nebbishes should at least do our best to have a productive conversation about it.

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Michael R. Kesti

16 September 2014

Walt 16Sep14 08:18 PM
“And cigs. don’t “alter” the mind.”
Thanks, Walt. You walked right into it.
Nicotine certainly does alter the mind. It doesn’t get one high in the ways that alcohol and marijuana do but instead alters your mind in ways that make one crave more nicotine. And if the addict don’t get more, it alters the mind in very unpleasant ways. If you don’t believe that, try not smoking for next 12 hours or so. Then ask whoever you may be with whether your mood seems other than it might usually.
One of the reasons I find using tobacco to be exceedingly stupid is that it is filthy, makes one stink, ruins one’s wind, is powerfully addictive, and you don’t even catch a buzz! I know some say they find it relaxing but that’s only relief from the irritability the addiction generates!
“MJ slows reaction time. Blurs the vision. Makes one VARY drowsy. Comprehension is severely compromised. ( And makes one dumber than a box of rocks.)”
That’s a very accurate description of the effects of alcohol, too.
“Ya’ think the “busted one” would like his defense att. stoned while in court?”
Of course not, but I wouldn’t want him drunk either. And if he smokes, I’ll pray that he gets frequent opportunities to service his addiction. Other than that, what does this have to do with anything?
“Go try it. Think it’s good stuff? Let your kids have a go at it.”
How many times must I say that I favor regulating marijuana as we do alcohol and tobacco? Does it escape your logic this would include prohibiting supply to minors?

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Michael R. Kesti

16 September 2014

George Rebane 16Sep14 08:42 PM
“Now the quest is to find the right kind of ‘leash’ for MJ.”
I believe that the same leash that we use on alcohol and tobacco would be as well suited.
“But the forces arrayed against legalizing recreational use are formidable – it is the one thing on which the cartels and law enforcement are in complete agreement.”
BINGO! And the reason they are in agreement is that they both greatly profit from it. Imagine how many fewer police, correctional officers, lawyers, judges, and prisons we would need if the immense number of people we currently incarcerate only for possession and use had never been criminalized in the first place. The law enforcement community favors continuing prohibition because it would put too many of them out of work!
“In the meantime we nebbishes should at least do our best to have a productive conversation about it.”
I suppose that was aimed, in part at least, at me as I know that I am often too willing to engage easy targets.

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Walt

16 September 2014

That’s your idea of a “set up”? OH… It is to laugh..
Cig.s no way impair the mind. Addictive yes. There has never been a dispute over that.
Now go get yourself some and toke up, then get back to me. get yourself some first hand experience. I hear it’s real easy to get. Need a pipe? They are in every smoke shop on town. Just don’t mention the word pot, or MJ.. Those are all for “tobacco”. Heck.. Splurge a little. Grab one of those Indian hookahs with four pipes, and invite a couple of the other “never done the stuff” and let the scientific experimentation begin.. Ya’ really don’t know what you have been missing! Don’t forget the chips and dip. Your wife will appreciate the thorough fridg. cleaning. Just think of the great nights sleep you will get. Where you might wake up is another matter. Will you have both eyebrows? ( someone my think it would be a great improvement if they shaved one off.
Think of a bong as a time machine.. It slows it WAYYYyyy down.
One hell of a trip, and never leave the house.

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Michael R. Kesti

16 September 2014

Walt 16September14 09:38 PM
I agree that nicotine does not impair the mind, except, perhaps, that most would consider an addiction to be an impairment. We had previously been discussion altering the mind, though, and nicotine’s addiction come entirely from changes, i.e., alterations, it makes to the brain. Is that not mind altering?
You would do better, Walt, to not make assumptions about that which you have no knowledge. To wit, I have neither admitted nor denied having used marijuana. Your experience is, as I have previously said, not everybody’s and I can tell you that I know, for a fact, that many can use marijuana without the ruination that you espouse.
To continue the parallel, alcohol has similarly varying effects. There are those who cannot have one sip without disaster and those who can enjoy its effect with very little risk.
Please get back to me concerning how long you can abstain from smoking. At least give some thought to who is the master and who is the slave when you have to light up the next, and the next, and…

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Paul Emery

17 September 2014

Walt
You never answered my question 7:41 PM
“Since you favor the criminalization of Marijuana possession and distribution what “tools” do you think law enforcement should have to bring the lawbreakers to justice and how much do you think we should spend to accomplish that task? “

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Walt

18 September 2014

I give up… Smoke up. People DO have the right to make their own dunb assed dissentions.
From Denver.. A PSA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDo5MMYxEiM
The pro dope gang should hear from one of their own on the effects.
“Dowd wrote about overdosing on edibles in June. Titled Don’t Harsh Our Mellow, Dude, the column details the horrific eight hours of panic she endured after too many bites of a [caramel-chocolate] candy bar laced with weed. … Dowd implicated the marijuana industry in the piece, condemning it for pushing the newly-legal recreational drug without safety precautions for first-time users.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/09/a-marijuana-billboard-for-maureen-dowd-195667.html
Well Paul,, lets stop issuing speeding tickets. They just plug up the courts.
People are going to speed anyway. Then there are those pesky licence plate lights that go out, yet the “G: man can sight you for that too.
Let’s legalize good old amphetamines. Just think of the things that would get done.( Oh..wait… they tried that already.. stupid me) REPEAL that law! The tweekers will do it anyway. More court time wasted.
Like I said. People have a right to screw up their lives. Now how do we keep them from getting welfare? Why should the taxpayers pay for their personal choice?
Let’s change the law so it’s illegal to discriminate against drug users. Those evil insurance companies make plenty of profits,,, right? The person who gets injured due to the “user’s” actions was just in the wrong place. ” Sorry for your tough luck dude,, here’s a check. too bad you won’t walk again. But tweeker Troy has rights.”
Fit the Bill Paul? Yup,, have at it. We can always raise taxes on the rich to make up the difference for the welfare drug users, since most will be unemployable. Tweekers and MJ smokers are the perfect ones to give power tools and spinning blades to use.
Have it your way..

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Paul Emery

18 September 2014

You never answered my question Walt. Pretty simple Illegal or not
…….what “tools” do you think law enforcement should have to bring the lawbreakers to justice and how much do you think we should spend to accomplish that task? “

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Walt

18 September 2014

What? Me?? answer a question from Paul? Now that’s a good one, from one only answers questions,, with questions, or changes the subject when his filibuster isn’t paying off.
A taste of your own medicine is what the Dr. ordered.
What’s your beef now Paul? Didn’t you read the part where I give into legalization? It’s all about RIGHTS!! You have the right to make stupid decisions. Now where is “my” right not to pay for it?

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Michael R. Kesti

18 September 2014

Walt 18Sep14 11:09 AM
“Now where is “my” right not to pay for it?”
I agree that we should not have to pay for others’ stupid decisions, but you’re already paying, Walt, for the cost of investigating, arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating those involved. Even if those who do manage to destroy their lives with marijuana (which I know is a lower risk than you claim) become welfare recipients, I believe that the cost would be reduced. And those who can use without destroying their lives would be free to do so without having to deal with criminals and themselves become criminals.
You are further embarrassing yourself with your childish rants.

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Walt

18 September 2014

WOW I didn’t know I could waive my helmet in the air and change things.
Now your upset I agree? Damn dude,, their is no pleasing you guys.
You now need to work on all those other pesky laws. Demand an end to drug testing! Force those insurance companies to cover drug using people.
Petition Eric Holder to end your persecution.
Drug user’s rights supersede everyone else’s. Abolish the “drug free work place” laws.. Where do I sign?
( so who’s really embarrassing themselves?) It sure isn’t me..

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Paul Emery

18 September 2014

Speaking of paying for stupid decisions how about the billions being spent treating childhood diabetics and obesity while the big chow multicorps warp children’s minds with TV ads promoting unhealthy food.

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Walt

18 September 2014

As I was told Paul,, Take it to the sand box. Your off topic.

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Paul Emery

18 September 2014

No Walt
It expands ou your concern about paying for the bad decisions of others and your overall concern for the welfare of children. In this case it’s children responding to media ads to consume food that is unhealthy for them and parents that don’t exercise due diligence is their childrens habits.

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Patricia Smith

18 September 2014

Don Besse has made it a habit of speaking for individuals and organizations that is not authorized to represent. He sent me the following threatening email which was not only incorrect, he was chastised by the Coalition for a Drug Free Nevada County for speaking out of turn:
Pattie, Today martin webb posted on the Union in a comment regarding Joanne Rebanes editorial that he is a member of the Coalition for A Drug Free Nevada County Steering Committee and further that he signed the Yes on S official ballot argument as such. I have previously told him, Shelley Rodgers and Ariel Lovett have told him clearly that his just a member of the public attending these meetings and he acknowledged his misunderstanding. Further his speaking about ‘our coalition’ is not his place. Martin must have his dreads too tight if he thinks any Coalition conversations regarding pot policy would ever happen with him in the room. We will be checking to see if his claim to having lied about his status in the ballot statement are true. You need to determine if you filed a willful lie because you are the listed responsible party in the Yes on S papers. There are many who would have standing to formally challenge the statement and demand its removal (if he did this) that is if you do not fix it yourself as the principal responsible party of a FPPC (Fair Political Practices Commission) regulated committee. I will expect your reply in 48 hours and will take no action pending your reply. Don Bessee
Response from the Coalition:

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Walt

18 September 2014

As usual Paul, you can’t stick to the subject at hand. ” HAY! look over here.”
BTW Moochel “O” has that well in hand. “She knows best” ( yet her own kids are exempt from those (un)healthy choices.)

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Brad

19 September 2014

And in other news,
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Marijuana-Farmer-Says-He-Has-Solved-California-Drought-275235551.html

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Don Bessee

19 September 2014

The Measure S Debate at the ROOD Center is BACK ON with both sides! Tuesday 6pm. On a related note a lawyer for the pro pot group NORMAL filed an emergency motion for a temporary restraining order on the County to stop enforcement of mmj ord. 2349. Judge Dowling denied the TRO motion today.

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Walt

19 September 2014

I’m no lawyer,, but isn’t weed still regulated by the state? Last I checked this isn’t Colorado or Oregon. Nice waste of time and money. But the lawyer made out good… Uh,, did he get paid in weed?

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Don Bessee

19 September 2014

Walt 5:19 If she was an out of state shark, I bet in product given the price inflation as you go east, even Colorado. The street price in Colorado has skyrocketed in the black market since legalization. Be careful what you ask for. 🙂 The State Supreme Court Ruled that 215 clearly gives the job of structuring the location of commercial growing as a land use issue. That’s why the disparity between counties could be so damaging to Nevada County if S were to pass. That’s why they lost the other law suit against the County that the County Council crushed. The lame duck liberal Judge Dowling who ruled against them today gave the pot profiteers 14k on their lawyer fee motion demanding 150k in the old law suit. We are seeing that money now in the yes on S ads and signs, not to mention its harvest season! Time for the trimagrants to clean out the food banks. What Pattie fails to understand is that there are many parties that have standing to make an FPPC complaint. The Fact is the window to amend the sample ballots was long closed when we found out. For details please refer to my recent Sandbox post on the lefty Jeffey pattie post.

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Paul Emery

19 September 2014

Don B
You jumped the gun on that, The debate will be the next week as a studio only debate Sept 30, 31, or Oct 1. That was the decision of the Union and KVMR, the hosts of the debate.

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Don Bessee

19 September 2014

Well Paul, I have an email from Pattie and the NO on S team and they will be at the ROOD CENTER at 6pm on Tuesday. We are not subject to your limits. Sorry you chose poorly when you picked the Nevada City set up and ignored the prior agreement. You have not been part of any conversation with me. I am aware of your pleadings to the Sheriff. We all on the NO on S agreed to the KNCO in studio debate this week before the ASA affirmed their earlier Rood Center commitment today. The Union and you are not the only game in town and we will bring both sides to the public on Tuesday with or without you sir. The ASA email is timed at 1:59 pm today. Did they chicken out again after that? Do I really need to post the emails? I would like to have regional media there who do not host the radio show of the growers that does not take our calls. It would be nice to just have a fact based conversation that the community has access to. Why don’t you help with that and stop seeking exclusivity against KNCO?

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Paul Emery

20 September 2014

So Don who is the moderator and what is the format for your “debate” at the Rood Center?

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Brad C.

20 September 2014

The more the merrier, I guess. The “Yes on S” site says Nevada Theater, Sept. 23 at 6PM, Mr. Bessee will be at the Rood Center at the same time, and KVMR and the Union will be doing something on the air a few days later.
https://www.facebook.com/YesOnMeasureS?hc_location=timeline

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George Rebane

20 September 2014

Again our Bob Crabb says it best with this graphic filched from the 20sep14 Union.

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Walt

20 September 2014

Well this keeps getting better and better. Seems we have our own little MSNBC VS FOX
on just who is going to play referee. Paul? (AKA Candy Crowley) or whoever KNCO throws to the wolves.( Bill O.)
Don states,,”I would like to have regional media there who do not host the radio show of the growers that does not take our calls.”
Now how much truth is in that statement? But based on local Lefty track records ( not mentioning any names,,,) those with a contrary opinion just don’t get heard.

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Paul Emery

20 September 2014

Well cartooned Crabb but missing details
The fact is KVMR and the Union arranged to have the Nevada Theatre as a venue for the debate and the no on S folks said no. It is indeed a sad commentary of our times when a treasure such as the Nevada Theatre that has hosted thousands of events in recent years is considered a unfit venue. Never in my recollection has a venue proposed by debate hosts been rejected. It is the prerogative of the hosts of such events to dictate the venue and format.

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Walt

20 September 2014

Ya’ get advertisement kickbacks Paul? The same sales pitch every time for the Nevada Theater. ( An eco trophy from the miners they put on the endangered spices list. Tell it like it is… No,,, you didn’t build that.)

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Paul Emery

20 September 2014

Walt I don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about Please translate

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Walt

20 September 2014

I don’t think there is a “translation” into “old Hippie”.
Good old English will do. Comprehension not working tonight? ( Or is it that Irish swill you consume?)

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Paul Emery

20 September 2014

Tell it like it is… No,,, you didn’t build that.”
Huh? What does that mean?
Perhaps you’re a poet or perhaps you don’t mean anything but feel compelled to say something

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Walt

20 September 2014

Sorry Paul if that’s over your head, and too advanced. Think “historic”. The mining cuture did the building, the pot culture staged a coupe.
That help you out any? Might as well paint a pot leaf on the “historic” structure.
But keep up the sales pitch. Seems the place is out of the running. Deal with it.

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Bill Tozer

20 September 2014

I just don’t understand all the hubbaloo about this marihuana cigarette thing. Since the 30’s, it has been illegal to possess, cultivate, smoke a marihuana cigarette…until this medicinal marihuana initiative passed in CA. So, since the 1930’s, it is still illegal to possess, transport, or cultivate a marihuana cigarette unless you have a licensed doctor’s recommendation. Without a prescription in your possession for medical grass, nothing has changed in four score and seven years ago.
I reckon there are some minor disagreements over how much and where an ill person with the doctor’s OK can cultivate the marihuana tobacco, which is to expected. Opinions are like anal cavities, everybody has one. If you don’t have a butthole, then that would make you crankier and ornerier than a wet hen. No big deal. Nothing much has changed in the grand scheme of things. Not worth throwing haymakers at each other.
However, one felony drug conviction can make most folks nowadays toxic to future employers. That is a bummer, man. Guess if nobody will hire ya cause of yer drug record, then there ain’t much else to do but toss some seeds out the back window and become self employed. That has not changed much either.

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Walt

22 September 2014

Another pot convert. I don’t think the thought this through.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/22/fck-it-i-quit-reporter-drops-f-bomb-quits-on-air/

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Don Bessee

22 September 2014

It seems Pattie and the pot heads were quivered by the ASPOA member poll on measure S today. Right after we sent out a special email specific modern online poll they had a THC fit. How else can we explain them sending out mass emails to their whole list with an old ASPOA list mixed in. In their purple haze they forgot the difference between bcc and cc!!!!! They stuck an interesting address in all of them; medicalcond@unable. Interesting time zone they originated in too. Profits, Profits, Profits and not in a biblical way my friends. The primary email on them all is citizens for good laws, patties that is, her phone number don’t you know and no FPPC status and how much money have they spent without paperwork? Perhaps there is a shortage of zig zags and they use all that pesky paper work for rolling papers? Pray for the patients and reject those who use them for profits. There is no shortage of medicine. Just profiteers manipulating. Does anyone think this newest smoke cloud may be because they failed to get that TRO last Friday which failed to appear in any of the local media?

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