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George Rebane

Here is something for the data archeologists and anthropologists of the distant future – three disparate areas that share in the wholesale insanity that is ending America as we have known it.  But more important to note is that not many care about these issues.

Gilead Sciences’ Sovaldi is a stupendously successful drug to not only treat Hepatitis C, but also cure it.  Moreover, it has no bad side effects and in price it competes well with established but much less effective drugs.  Sovaldi costs about $84,000 for it to do its magic.  Goaded by the insurance lobby, the socialists and double dummies in Congress are questioning the drug’s price point – according to their lights it’s too expensive.  Not only that, but Sovaldi is calling to question “the institutions and patent certainty that make America the one market in the world that rewards medical progress as a sustainable financial enterprise.”

In short, this Congress, with both parties participating, is toying with establishing price controls for pharmaceuticals.  This even though there are other pharmas in hot pursuit of Gilead, and patent protection lasts only ten years before the generics come on line, and price controls guarantee that you get less of a product at a higher price, the blithering idiots are listening to big pharma lobbyists and the polled opinions of information-less sheeple asked whether $84K is too much.  How about including the question, ‘How’d you like to die of Hep C after paying even more to unsuccessfully fight it with bad side effects until you croak?’  (more here)

SBC announces an 8-10oct14 conference of “leading thinkers to come up with solutions to water scarcity”.  We already know what their solutions will entail – more public monies for outfits like SBC, Climate Resolve, Capital for Public Good,… to continue studying the problem and then recommend additional regulations throughout the Sierra to deprive its residents of using their ground water.  Oh yes, the conference’s keynote speaker is no other than Van Jones, former Obama green jobs czar, former (current?) communist, and an excellent orator for the new socialist America.  Excellent, that is, if you’re a bit addled or slow on the uptake in the listening department.  (Hat tip to reader with more here and here)

Low congressional productivity is blamed on the Republican House by the Democrats and their lamestream lackeys.  The facts speak otherwise (here).  Of the hundreds of House passed bills that have died on Harry Reed’s desk, no one makes a peep.  Or if they do, then they disparage the legislation as being some kind of political grandstanding that serves a narrow agenda, and has no chance of passing.  Of course, if the Republicans oppose legislation written by the Democrats (including Team Obama), then they are pilloried for being “obstructionists” and the cause of our “do nothing Congress”.  And the sheeple just bleet in concurrence.  Such is the state of our republic.

High wages and full employment first, then growth will follow.  That is the prescription promoted by socialist pundits like William Galston (here).  Arbitrarily raising wages and creating make-work jobs will allow us to pull our economy up by its bootstraps.  Progressives never tire telling us that this is the way to achieve the “moral imperative” of “shared prosperity”.  Never mind that history overflows with examples of exactly the opposite result when governments have tried wage/price controls and mandated jobs.  The picture of dams being built in the Urals by thousands of men pushing wheelbarrows comes to mind.  Now we see what kinds of ‘truths’ can be resurrected after a nation’s educational system becomes a propaganda outlet for state central planning.

[22aug14 update]  California’s universities are again becoming race-based deeply leftwing institutions.  Prop 209 (“… banning discrimination against or preferences for any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education , or public contracting.”) is coming under intense attack from the anti-American Left.  We recall that Prop 187, providing multifarious welfare and other government benefits to illegal aliens, has already been gutted.  The growing ethnic strife is the state is reviewed in this short piece by John Seiler Jr of CalWatchdog.com.

And for those liberals who still don’t acknowledge that the country’s higher educational system has become the repository and transmitting institution of collectivist thought and propaganda, please read ‘The Left’s Long March’ by Professor Frank Brownlow of Mount Holyoke College.  The history of how the humanities were turned into hotbeds of Marxist thought is an interesting read, and one I can attest to from my long relationship with universities ranging from student to professor.  Brownlow’s piece was motivated by recent leftwing pundits (even on Fox News) ruminating that a lack of intellectual acumen is what has kept more conservative academics out of the nation’s professorial ranks.

Unfortunately the above two links are paywalled at Chronicles – a magazine of American culture, a publication I heartily recommend to readers interested in a no-holds-barred view of America from the unabashed perspective of western culture that takes on the foibles from both sides of the political aisle.

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155 responses to “Scattershots – 21aug14 (updated 22aug14)”

  1. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Stephen Frisch, the six figure CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council, has yet to answer the question: does he think residential water wells should be metered? Use water an you get a bill from some agency that keeps track of it.
    The initial rate would be low, just enough to run the agency that’s set up to keep track of the water, for management, of course. Later, it can be jacked up for all sorts of fine sounding reasons.

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  2. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    We have an old friend who retired from the Modesto Water District who mentioned they had bee trying to get control of private wells for years.
    A few years ago the NID wanted to meter wells on property near their ditch allegedly to see if their water was leaking into our wells. Our particular well is over 200 ft. Deep. We had already seen what happened on Red Dog Rd. We had to pay a monthly fee for their employee to check that our water wasn’t leaking into their water. We were on the NID metered pipeline but it was too expensive. We dug a well, turned off the NID line and used our well water that was affordable. We kept the original hookup in case future owners would want the NID hookup.
    Investing in our wells, being responsible for, and knowing what’s in our water has been a blessing.

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  3. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    The op-ed piece by Galston is pay-walled, but I found this little gem from the NYT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/opinion/sunday/telling-americans-to-vote-or-else.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
    Quite a fellow. Just make folks do stuff and all is well.
    I’ll put my 2 cents in and say instead of forcing folks to vote – make everyone residing in America line up once a year and pay for the cost of our fed govt. No payroll deduction or hidden tax. Just add up the total cost of running the fed govt yearly and dividing by what ever number of folks are residing within our borders and we all kick in our share.
    THAT would boost the voting turnout like nothing seen before.
    I doubt the good Mr Galston would want that sort of voter turn out.

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    You would expect different from Galston?
    Read his CV…..tell me why he would be anything other than a rabid make work Keynesian?

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    I highly recommend anyone interested in the water situation regionally should listen to the podcast of the recent water summit held by at Nevada Union High School which (thank you very much) KVMR aired in it’s entirety-two hours. Here is a link to the podcasts, there are two. http://www.kvmr.org/podcasts It is notable that NID forcasts are based on global warming predictions that show greatly diminished snow pack in the Sierras.

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  6. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    I am sure that SBC will be discussing how they will spend their share of the most certainly passed California Prop 1. For those that didn’t know the Water Bond Monster has be resurrected. This is the first water bond in a long time that actually has monies to build storage although only a 1/3 of the roughly $7,500,000,000 is earmarked for this. The previous incarnation of the Cali water bond had specific language for the removal of the Klamath Dams in the sum of $250,000,000. Prop 1 does not have specific wording for the removal of these dams although it does have monies along with weasel wording that essentially allows the bond funds to be used to destroy these structures. The bond has about $300,000,000 for so called conservancies. My favorite is the Baldwin Hills Conservancy. You win a cookie if you know where Baldwin Hills is and can explain why they are getting money for water.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    You win a cookie if you know where Baldwin Hills is and can explain why they are getting money for water.
    Golf Courses…..? What kind of cookie!

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar

    Paul Emory @11:02PM NID and Global Warming.
    Ron Nelson the previous NID General Manager, was a neighbor for a few months when he first moved to Nevada County. We got to know him for a short time. I was concerned that NID had seemed to fall into the warmer camp and asked Ron to have coffee and discuss the issue. Dr. Christy had examined the Southern Sierra Snow Pack and the data did not support the claims long term decline in the snow pack. I knew that NID had long term snow pack records and I asked Ron if he could share them to confirm Dr Christy findings from 1903 to 2003. He was reluctant as the records were not in a digital format, but he concluded that over the long term there was only a slight decline of the snow pack, not of great concern.
    If the snow pack trend was not of great concern, the question was why was NID embracing the global warming mantra, when the GCM had proven to be inconsistent with the real world data. Ron explained that NID had to play politics to be considered as one of the players. They were warmers to keep their seat at the water table.
    I do not know the views of Rem Scherzinger, NID’s new General Manager, on global warming. But, they have the historical data, the GCM models are clearly wrong, and Ron Nelson made a good case for NID to play global warming politics. We will perhaps be seeing more global warming, the snow pack is vanishing, the snow pack is vanishing BS from NID.
    On the other hand, during the Grand Minimums when the sunspots disappeared the Sierra experienced long term drought. During the Maunder Minimum over 200 years of drought. During the Dalton 13 years, interrupted by a strong three year El Niño, and then five more years of drought. California’s long term droughts have come during period of cool and cold climate. There are signs that the sun is ready to enter another Grand Minimum, and we could be in for some long term drought. This is a better reason to be prepared, than following the global warming models which have proven to be highly unreliable. The only proponents left for the GCM models are the progressive religious believers in AGW.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    ……..the question was why was NID embracing the global warming mantra, when the GCM had proven to be inconsistent with the real world data.
    They were obviously looking at the wrong data Russ. I show the controlling variable below!
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

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  10. Russ Steele Avatar

    Correction. I wrote that Dr. Christy looked at the snow pack from 1903 to 2003. I was wrong it was from 1916 to 2009. Here is a link to a report on the study: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/24/john-christy-“no-significant-trend”-in-s-sierra-snowfall-since-1916/

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar

    Fish
    Can you explain how NID will profit by increasing global warming?

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar

    Typo That’s embracing global warming.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Russ
    So in your view we should ot be concerned about declining snow pack?

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  14. Brad Avatar
    Brad

    @Russ 7:22AM “he concluded that over the long term there was only a slight decline of the snow pack, not of great concern.” – Long term, what’s that, 100 -150 years of data? Not that long in geologic time.

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  15. Walt Avatar

    ” Global warming”…. Sure.. Whatever you say. Just,, what happened to it?
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/22/report-global-warming-pause-could-last-another-10-years/

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    ScottO 614pm – Thanks for the heads up. I changed the Galston link to one pointed from google. Let me know if that is also paywalled.
    PaulE 1102pm – Thanks for the link Paul. Re your 816am: NID is a quasi-govt organization whose finances are mostly impenetrable. However, it does set its rates subject to a (usually incompetent) review of its claimed expenses. All such bureaucracies are in favor of more regulatory mandates whose implementation costs they can add to their own balance sheet. You can bet the ranch that once new groundwater regs get enacted that NID will be making a nice tidy margin on the additional dollars that it siphons out of our pockets. Mr fish’s 743am nailed it.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Keep in mind that currently California is the only state that has no regs on groundwater use. NID has no claim on groundwater so it is unlikely they will profit from regulations.
    Think about this, however. Groundwater is a shared resource by those who are dipping into the same pond, so to speak. If you have 10 shared users of groundwater and one decides they want to irrigate a 10 acre orchard and that causes all 10 wells to go dry should there not be some regulation of use to prevent that from happening. This example may be dramatic but it is real and wells are going dry all the time because of overuse.

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  18. Russ Steele Avatar

    Brad@09:16AM
    I misspoke, It should have read near term. The Lake Spaulding COOP Station stopped recording the snow and precipitation in 2003. Here is a link to snow fall at the Donner Summit http://www.thestormking.com/Weather/Sierra_Snowfall/sierra_snowfall.html
    I do not seen any huge decrease in the Snow Pack, only high variability.

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar

    So Russ, in you view, NID should not plan accordingly that there will be diminished snowpack average in the near future.

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  20. Walt Avatar

    ” NID has no claim on groundwater so it is unlikely they will profit from regulations. ”
    Just stuff NID with MORE ECO Leftys, Whine, snivel, and petition SAC LIBS,, and the next thing you know,, YURIKA!! A mountain of regulations, fees, mandates, penalties, and TAXES.. Then some nicely buried exemptions for ” friends of groundwater”, and others that would be deemed “too important to restrict the use of water”. ( Kinda like what S.F. got.)
    I better go rent one of those drills they use in blasting. ( they can drill in just about any direction) I got this nice hill behind my place. It’s about time some upward slant drilling begins. No need for a water pump either. There is always a way to beat the “rules”.
    Especially before the rule is written. ( ya’ just need to see it coming.)
    It’s bad enough the county already knows where just about every well is, thanks to those mandatory PERMITS. Kind of like gun registration.
    I don’t need a permit to rent a drill. ( yet)

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  21. Brad Avatar
    Brad

    Russ, thanks for the link. Predicting the weather is losing proposition. Didn’t it seem more humid than usual this summer? That probably helped, short term, lower the fire danger (lightening strike increases, if any, noted). But, my point about that is I thought/predicted it would be super dry all summer – then some monsoon weather came over the summit.

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  22. Walt Avatar

    Paul. In “planning accordingly”,, how does tearing down water storage fit into that “plan”?
    The ECO clan feel the “needs of the fish” are more important than OUR NEEDS to drink, or plant crops. ( except in S.F.)
    HELL! We could have a record snow pack come Winter. ( I have seen it before)
    Remember when Tahoe was WAY down? The “experts” claimed “it would take YEARS for water to reach the Truckee river again..” And within a few months of that claim, Reno flooded.
    That Spring, the Sacramento Valley looked like an inland sea.
    But get ready for a mini ice age if that Volcano in Iceland pops off. The one that did a few years ago helped drop the temps in the Northern Hemisphere. And that was a little eruption. How does that play into your GW hoax?

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 959am – As these mountains’ pre-eminent agency of water management and expertise, it takes nothing more than the stroke of a liberal pen to have NID become the water czar of the Sierra. It would be foolish to bet against that future if the state wants to start controlling groundwater in these foothills. Of course, there is no reasonable basis for such regulatory expansion save adding another future source of taxables, and the natural proclivity of Leviathan. We have to remember that there are so few of us up here, there are no depletable aquifers per se, and all the water we draw from the fractured granite is immediately returned to the ground via our septic systems and to waterways through our water treatment plants.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    There is no assurance that the returning water will go to the same place it came from. That is established fact and basic hydrology.
    The drying up of the well at Grizzly HII School on the San Juan Ridge was a direct result of the San Juan Mine reopening in 2008 or so. That is an undeniable fact because they (the mine) agreed and paid for a deepening of the schools well.

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 August 2014 at 08:16 AM
    They won’t profit from Global Warming.
    They’ll profit from the fear of Global Warming by gullible democrats/leftys who see the issue both as the existential threat and a way to express their piety and obeisance towards their deity (government).
    Like any hybrid public/private entity does, they’ll petition to charge more for water due to Global Warming. They’ll expand the fiefdom with outreach coordinators, compliance and reporting managers, and managers for these people. Of course the bigger bureaucracy means more power and greater compensation for the bureaucrats. They’ll hint at increasing storage and water transmission facilities….these probably won’t be funded or built because the last thing the bureaucracy wants is a solution to any problem. They’ll hold workshops for the public and have lots of photo-ops that will be trotted out during rate increase meetings and when they go before the legislature for special pleadings. When the drought finally ends they’ll say that “wow, we sure dodged a bullet but the reservoirs are so low we need to continue all the efforts we’ve implemented during the hard years….and by the way all our costs have gone up so we need another rate increase.
    Wash, rinse and repeat!
    This is how NID will profit from the fear of Global Warming.

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  26. Walt Avatar

    Looks like our good Doc.’s damaged digits are on the mend and back in action.
    And even better, making up for lost time.
    Now how bout that gazillion gallons of water Grass Valley is sitting on?
    IMM gave up too damned soon. Screw the gold at this point. It’s the water that is of greater value. That land still on the market?
    A good sized mobile purification system, a pump, and a few water haulers, someone is in business. No water in the creek for the ECO’s to bitch about, no huge settlement ponds for eyesores.( like at Empire mine)
    And less truck traffic than when they were working on 80, and two trucks a minute were headed up 20&49 right through town. ( no one really noticed or bitched, or the overpass would have been plugged with the ECO clan barking at tires.)
    With MY plan GV would be cut out of the equation. Where those silos are, is County. Not GV. No operations within city limits.
    Water is the new gold.
    OK… Now burst my bubble and tell me why this “just won’t work and years of study and permitting” would be required.

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  27. Russ Steele Avatar

    Paul@10:22
    Yes, I think there is the potential for some long term drought in the Sierra and the snow pack will be diminished, but how much will be determine by the phases of the PDO and the advent of El Niño events. We are currently in a 20-30 year cool PDO and the probability of El Niños is smaller then if the PDO phase was warm. The real problem is that we have been living in a climate sweet spot for the last 150 years and that is about to change if the solar scientist are correct and we are on the cusp of the next Grand Minimum. See Twilight of Abundance: Why Life in the 21st Century Will Be Nasty, Brutish, and Short, by David Archibald.
    The problem I have with the global warming drought crowd, is they think that humans can change the long term climate by reducing our CO2 emissions. They keep telling us the worst droughts are during warm periods, but historically the data does not support that. Warm oceans put more moisture in the air, that moisture is squeezed out when the air mass is pushed over the Sierra by the Jet Stream. A cool ocean produces less atmospheric moistures, thus there is less to squeeze out, even though it is colder. Another issue is colder air impacts the flow of the jet stream, which may be farther North, leaving California much drier.
    The earth climate is a very complex system, and it so complex the computer models cannot capture all the variables and there relationships. The idea that these models can predice the snow pack in the Sierra in the future is just foolishness. And, the idiot believers make economic policies based these flawed model predictions.
    I highly recommend The West without Water: What Past Floods, Droughts, and Other Climatic Clues Tell Us about Tomorrow by B. Lynn Ingram and Frances Malamud-Roam This was published in June. After reading the history of flooding, I will not be buying anywhere in the Valley below the 700 foot level.

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  28. Russ Steele Avatar

    Brad@10:35
    Agree, it has been more humid this summer, and least if feels more humid, I do not have any data.

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  29. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “There is no assurance that the returning water will go to the same place it came from.”- Paul Emery
    There was no claim that it would, and the Grizzly Hill well case is a testament to the law as it stands.
    BTW I just sat through the two hours of KVMR NID song and dance, and the false dichotomy started right at the beginning… no, it isn’t either “hot and dry” or “cold and wet”. There really is “hot and wet” and “cold and dry” in our past, and the “WEATHER” of the past 5 years tells us nothing about the weather we will experience in the next 5 years.
    My reading of the current state of nature is that we are facing a cold spell that will last decades, and yes, it may well be dry in our neck of the woods.
    Personally, I remain offended by your continuing use of the “denier” hate speech you and your buddies use, derived from the “holocaust denier” rhetoric, that is popular only for its ad hominem value. There is a demonstrated weak correlation between science knowledge and belief in the efficacy of IPCC-brand climate models… and it’s in the direction of rejection, not acceptance. It does, unfortunately boil down to politics… if you yearn for the power to make the societal changes it would take to fight the IPCC fight, you have a vested interest for the IPCC vision to be true.

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  30. Walt Avatar

    Maybe Paul can explain this.
    A while back we drilled a hole, and came up dry. ( 350 ft.) We didn’t have a lot of room
    (per the inspector) and re-drilled only four feet away from the first. ( as I watch dollars get drilled out of my account) Water @ 200!,, and @ 15 gals. a minute!
    Near by there are four wells within 50 feet of each other. Yet only one went dry from “over pumping”.
    Care to explain?

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  31. Walt Avatar

    Russ. The earthquakes under that Iceland volcano are getting bigger and more frequent (above 3.0) A friendly wager of “when or if”? We have a weeks worth of constant rumbling.
    You can read what the experts are saying, as I can. Will it burn through that half mile of ice and ruin the EU’s day? Or peter out without a puff?
    A bottle of the most interesting thing one can find? Whata’ say?

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  32. Russ Steele Avatar

    The SBC is BAAACK!
    NEVADA CITY, Calif. August 22, 2014 – Please join the Nevada City Planning Commission for a special meeting on Thursday, August 28, 2014 in the Council Chambers, 317 Broad Street, Nevada City from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. The meeting will introduce the first phase of the City’s Energy Action Planning Project, which ultimately will help the city and community to reduce energy usage and the resulting Greenhouse Gas emissions. This first phase involves a baseline inventory of energy consumed and a forecast of how much energy would be consumed in the future in the absence of any energy efficiency planning.
    Through the inventory and forecast process the City can analyze municipal energy use and develop cost-effective energy-efficiency measures that reduce energy costs and the associated burden on local taxpayers. Individual residents and businesses can also benefit by being aware of how energy is consumed in their homes and businesses and what options there are to use energy more efficiency and reduce utility bills.
    The City has partnered with Sierra Business Council, a Sierra Nevada based non-profit organization with 20 years of experience working in the Sierra Nevada region. The Sierra Business Council has worked with twenty-six local governments in the Sierra Nevada to develop inventories and has helped local governments and businesses to find ways to be more energy efficient. This work is funded through utility rate payer dollars which are administered by Pacific Gas and Electric Company under the auspices of the California Public Utility Commission.

    Dear rate payer, did you get that? These CO2 inventories are paid for by your dollars, and sent to SBC, you local climate grant whore.

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  33. George Rebane Avatar

    re PaulE 1106am and Walt 1131am – that is my point about the structure of our water-bearing underground. It is nothing but fractured stone (granite mostly) where you can get widely varying amounts of water from two wells located next to each other – there is no aquifer in western Nevada County (there is one near Truckee). So the returning water will go where it will go in such structures; whether from the same well or not, but it will be retrievable by other wells in the region

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Can you show me where I used the word “denier” therefore, in your mind connecting me with those you say use words “derived from the “holocaust denier” rhetoric”
    You are literally putting words in my mouth.
    I appreciate you listening to the NID Summit blog. You can derive what you want out of it but at least you took the time to be informed.

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  35. Russ Steele Avatar

    Walt@11:43
    Predicting volcano eruptions is like predicting the climate 100 years from now. Impossible. There are way too many factors to consider. There have been faults alarms before, lots of quakes and no eruptions. I am guessing that we will not see a break through, but this is only a gut feeling, not science.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Russ, you think it’s inappropriate for NID to use any assumptions in weather trends as a planning tool?

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So George what do you make of the San Juan Mine situation I referred to? There is no doubt that the mine caused wells to dry up. Should there be any regulations to prevent that from happening again?

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    Fish
    Can you explain how NID will profit by increasing global warming?
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 August 2014 at 08:16 AM
    Paul Emery
    Typo That’s embracing global warming.
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 August 2014 at 08:18 AM

    Rebuttal or do you accept my premise by which NID reaps tangible benefits from questionable science?

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  39. Walt Avatar

    Paul. One man’s “info” ( being informed) is another’s propaganda.
    Like the FACT there has been zip for “warming” for over a decade.
    Back East, it’s the Summer that never was. The cries of “worst hurricane season on record to come”.. Then nutt’n… Predictions of tornadoes ( another “worst of” on record) just didn’t happen.
    Yes, we are hurting for water, but at the same time we are not a smoldering charcoal cinder either. No massive record breaking heat waves for weeks on end. Hell! It’s a nice cool day today,, for August.
    But keep drinking the AGW cool aide. Even the scamitists are starting to eat their own
    over the lack of credibility and facts spewed forth of the doom and gloom.

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  40. Walt Avatar

    Russ. My gut feeling is that it will pop off.

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  41. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, you uttered the words “denier” at the end of the NID event you covered. I followed the links you provided with the exhortation for interested parties to spend the time. I did. The words sounded like they came out of your mouth, the immediate topic was climate change and someone claiming to be Paul Emery at KVMR was conducting the interview.

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1257pm – Yes, I’d say if it is proved that one person’s activities reach across the boundary and affect another person’s established QoL, then there is ground for 1) a suit for redress, or 2) a good neighborly response like what occurred on the San Juan ridge. But passing yet more regulations to attempt to correctly cover all such situations should be the last resort, instead, quite often it is the first resort (and the code books are full of such ‘remedies’).

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  43. Walt Avatar

    It’s just a matter of time before ” It’s not fair that well owners don’t get charged!”
    starts flying. Another “haves VS the have nots.”

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  44. Russ Steele Avatar

    Walt@01:05
    Walt you may find this interesting: What Happens When A Volcano Erupts Under A Glacier?
    Will the eruption simply explode through the glacier?
    Um, unlikely. Considering the area of the volcano is about 27 square miles, and if all of that is covered by 1300 feet of ice, and each cubic foot of ice weighs 62.4 pounds … then the weight of the glacier over Bárðarbunga is approximately 60,000,000,000,000 pounds. “A few people have made theoretical predictions about the dike fracturing up into the ice for some distance, on the order of hundreds of meters,” says Edwards, “but it seems a low probability that it could fracture all the way to the top of the ice within a few seconds.”

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “a good neighborly response like what occurred on the San Juan ridge” -George
    It’s easier to get people to act like good neighbors when there are clear property rights in play, and to have the prior restraints in place “to prevent that from happening again” would effectively mean no mineral extractions by mining by anyone in Nevada County. If I read Paul correctly, the mining operation fixed the problem by funding a new well for the affected property. Problem solved, all rights intact. No problem, Paul; they didn’t even have to go to court that time. That’s how life with intact property rights generally works.

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gosh and shucks Gregory for being so politically incorrect. I didn’t realize you were so sensitive. I will never use the “d” word again so as not to offend a distinct minority group. Instead I will say something like “those that do not accept the veracity of global warming?. Is that acceptable to you? Again I’m so sorry I offended you by what you allege I said.

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    More on use of NID surface water. I failed to mention in my 135pm that foothill residents who buy NID water are already properly husbanding the resource. If they are hooked to a sewer, their waste water is cleaned and returned to a waterway heading to the flats. If they have a septic system, then they are taking surface water and replenishing groundwater. Hard to find more exemplary citizens who have no need of added water regulations.

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    Gregory

    “I appreciate you listening to the NID Summit blog. You can derive what you want out of it but at least you took the time to be informed.” PE 12:25PM
    There was very little to no new information in the NID song and dance. Yes, it’s been warm and dry lately. Yes, we need more storage. Yes, water rights are a form of property rights, and if NID’s idea of expansion of their water rights includes an expansion of current watershed reservoirs, say a dam in-between two current NID dams, I don’t have a problem. However, they also mentioned NID used to have wells, and if they intend to expand their water rights to aquifers they’ve abandoned their past rights to, that’s a problem.
    It’s also a problem if they use bad science to whip up Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in order to gain more power for “the Glory that is NID”, one of the phrases used by the NID spokesman.

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    Paul Emery

    So George to be consistent with you’re 2:09 comment I suppose you are also opposet to the Marijuana Cultivation Ordinance passe by the Supes. Have you ever expressed that opposition to any Supervisor?
    “I’d say if it is proved that one person’s activities reach across the boundary and affect another person’s established QoL, then there is ground for 1) a suit for redress, or 2) a good neighborly response like what occurred on the San Juan ridge. But passing yet more regulations to attempt to correctly cover all such situations should be the last resort, instead, quite often it is the first resort (and the code books are full of such ‘remedies’).”

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