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Sandbox – 19aug14

19 August 2014

[Apologies for the delay in getting a fresh one going. RR readers are demonstrating a certain esthetic in their tastes – no one wants to rummage around in or contribute to an overflowing sandbox.]

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105 responses to “Sandbox – 19aug14”

Scott Obermuller

20 August 2014

SBC is bringing in Van Jones to instruct us? Shout it from the rafters. And be sure to include some of his better quotes. Let the word go out to Nevada County about the ‘center of the road’ SBC. Now we see openly their real agenda. Will there be a Q and A? Will Mr Jones answer honestly? Will he even answer? Will the press be allowed? Or only true believers who pony up ill gotten lucre? What about Nevada County’s poor? Sorry – no riff raff allowed!
Dr Gleick is excused from his contretemps as he was trying to present the ‘larger’ truth. The ends justify the means is somehow tattooed into the DNA of the left.

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Paul Emery

20 August 2014

Too bad Todd. You missed your opportunity to actually believe in something. Your hiding under Gush’s skirt as usual. I didn’t mention one word about the ol’ Schrub, still in exile on his Texas ranch.

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Walt

20 August 2014

Van Jones would turn in his “truther” card before Paul will answer the tough questions. I gave ya’ plenty to work with, yet point a boney finger at Todd
for hiding behind skirts. Ya’ got your pony tail all up in dreadlocks about Perry
being charged on bogus, Progressive retaliatory dirty pool. ( I know “dirty” when I see it.)
And you accuse someone else of cowardice ? Sorry dude, The LIB indictment of Perry is going to get hung around the LIB’S neck, like a dead chicken.

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Scott Obermuller

20 August 2014

Poor Paul – factually challenged as usual: “still in exile on his Texas ranch.”
Actually Paul, he appears quite a bit – usually for fund raisers for charity. He could hit the circuit and excoriate the piece of human debris currently occupying the oval office. That is, of course, when Obama actually occupies the oval office. But you don’t like Bush and take every chance to fabricate nonsense to prop up your hatred and bias.

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Walt

20 August 2014

An added tidbit to what Scott said, it’s an unwritten rule, past Presidents don’t criticize (or anything else for that matter) of the sitting President.
Clinton broke that rule, and bet your bottom dollar “O” will follow in Bill’s loafers.
Paul needs to bone up on Presidential etiquette before trying to make hay out of their silence.
Even a ditch digger knows this. Miss that in Berkeley U Political science?

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Todd Juvinall

20 August 2014

No Paul Emery, it is you who missed the opportunity to show the readers you are not a hypocrite partisan, but alas, you could not bring yourself to disprove what we all know. Too funny.
GW Bush appeared at the American/African Summit the other day to speak on his and others attempts to curb AIDS and other diaereses in Africa. He spoke rather passionately and has raised a lot of money to elp them. Mostly women and girls I might add. What have you done? Oh, write a somg? What a hooy!

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Scott Obermuller

20 August 2014

How about our top cop? Talk about oppressed! Had to post this.
Holly hangin’ tree, Batman – this poor American citizen still carries quite a animus against an obvious KKK police force out to do him in.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/20/holder-ferguson-investigation/14356869/
“I can remember being stopped on the New Jersey turnpike on two occasions and accused of speeding. Pulled over. … ‘Let me search your car’ … Go through the trunk of my car, look under the seats and all this kind of stuff. I remember how humiliating that was and how angry I was and the impact it had on me.”
Wow – pulled over twice!!!! I’ll bet the non-Muslums in Iraq are scrambling to start a fund for poor Eric.
Let’s see – I’ve been pulled over more times than I can remember. Had my car searched and once the sheriff deputy didn’t even give me a reason. Just asked where I was going. Do I get to ask for reparations or maybe go down town and riot and loot?
Eric – you actually have a good reason to be humiliated. It has nothing to do with the police. It has to do with you being a well paid little quisling for wealthy white lib hypocrites.

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fish

20 August 2014

So I guess Paul climbed back into his casket and no further explaination will be forthcoming?
See you again in April Paul.

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Russ Steele

20 August 2014

Quote for the day:
JOHN HINDERAKER: “In recent months, Barack Obama has crossed an important threshold. He has always shown contempt for his opponents; now he shows contempt for his supporters. He has quit pretending to be a leader, and more or less quit pretending to be a president. On the right and the center, he has become a joke.”

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Bill Tozer

20 August 2014

Regarding Mr Steele’s 4:07pm comment, the figures are stunning. An economist’s nightmare. Simply unsustainable. All we are getting now is some carved in stone mantra about don’t expect GDP to ever rise above 2% again! it’s the new normal. Having the workers income fall below where it was at the end of the last recession (June, 2009 in Obama’s first months in office) to today is muy mala. No bueno.
Obama borrowed a trillion for the Octopi Stimuli which created not one permanent job, left us poorer, and we now face higher and more taxes every which way including loose,taxes, taxes, more taxes, higher fuel costs, tons of regulations, declining value of the dollar, declining disposable income…..Shit howdy, I think I will join the 49%ers that decide to screw it and live off what the government provides them with. My hands are now officially outstretched with palms facing up.
49% of households on assistance….hmmmm….didn’t Mitt say something about the 49%ers that torpedoed his campaign. Holy bat shit, Mitt is a prophet. He called it right on Putin and almost got laughed on the stage. Obama’s policies have guarenteed more people on assistance. Welfare and public schools….we are taking in in the ole corn hole I tell ya.

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fish

21 August 2014

Ben Emery says:

August 20, 2014 at 9:05 pm
Greg,
The difference is one wants equality by government action and the other wants government action to keep things the same (for white christian males). Racists are found in every faction of the political spectrum. It is a individual perception that is taught or learned.
What we are seeing and experiencing is the squeezing of the working class and the bottom wrung of the working class has always been people of color. Historically institutionalized racism existed in the south and labor/ worker racism existed in the north because those of color would work for less and harder competing with white workers and forcing down wages/ benefits.
stevefrisch says:
August 21, 2014 at 7:05 am
Seriously Ben, did you just say liberals want “equality by government”? As one regularly considered a liberal here liberals in my humble opinion want equality of opportunity, government comes into play when equality of opportunity is denied.
….and of course Steve you have to repeat the party line while Ben can express the true proggie position on the matter.

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Todd Juvinall

21 August 2014

fish, where did you see those comments? You are right about Steve Frisch, he is a big government lover and now I hear his best friend, that communist, Van Jones, is his newest house guest and speaker who will tell us all what a shithole America is..

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Russ Steele

21 August 2014

For those interested, here is a link to a 3D real time tracking tool for the Iceland volcano that may erupt at anytime. A webcam is included to observe any breakout through the glacial ice. http://baering.github.io

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Gregory

21 August 2014

“As one regularly considered a liberal here liberals in my humble opinion want equality of opportunity, government comes into play when equality of opportunity is denied.”-attr. Steven Frisch
No Steve, everyone wants equality of opportunity, but left-liberals measure it by the outcomes, not the actual opportunity. For example, UC Berkeley, before race-based admissions were banned in state colleges and universities, regularly discriminated against Asian and favored black students. The color-blind policy they now follow resulted (2013) in a freshman class that’s 25% white, 11% latino, 3% black, .5% native American, 17% foreign and the rest various Asian American groups, with Chinese ancestry at 19%, South Asian (think Indian and Paki) 7%, Korean 5%…
Kids of Vietnamese ancestry get admitted to Cal in the same numbers black kids do. There are 650k ethnic Vietnamese living in California, about 2.3 million blacks. Is that “fair”? Would it be “fair” to kids of Vietnamese ancestry to fix it at the Admissions office?
Are white kids given less opportunity at Cal than they deserve? They’re also admitted in lower numbers than the state demographics suggest would be “fair”. I say no; if white Californians want feel-good schools that boost self-esteem and not academic prowess (like in Nevada County) and don’t expect their kids to work diligently at their studies, they should be put up with their kids going to local community colleges, other non-selective colleges, trade schools or just try to find a job, as that’s what is to be expected. The kids from Asian families aren’t being raised that way.

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Gregory

21 August 2014

While I’m at it, Frisch made a point about how he was going to Washington to lobby (on his own time, of course) for more onerous gun laws. Take a look at how one Nevada County politico celebrated July 4 last year:
Gun Safety
July 4, 2013
Governor Jerry Brown
Senator Daniel Steinberg
Assemblyman John Perez
State Capitol
Sacramento, CA
The Nevada County Democratic Central Committee supports all 7 Gun Safety measures recently passed by the California State Senate. We strongly urge the California State Assembly to pass these same bills and for Governor Jerry Brown to sign them into law.
–SB 47 by Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, to ban so-called “bullet buttons” used to get around existing laws banning detachable magazines.
–SB 53 by Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, to create new state permits that require background checks for buyers of ammunition.
–SB 374 by Steinberg, D-Sacramento, to ban detachable magazines in rifles.
–SB 396 by Sen. Loni Hancock, D-Berkeley, to prohibit possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
–SB 567 by Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara, to change the definition of certain kinds of shotguns to make them assault weapons.
–SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego, to require all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate.
–SB 755 by Sen. Lois Wolk, D-Davis, to increase the number of crimes — including offenses related to drug addiction, chronic alcoholism and others — that result in a 10-year ban on being allowed to own a gun.
Sincerely,
Jim Firth
Chair
Nevada County Democrats
http://www.nevadacountydemocrats.com/gun-safety/
I thought the lead item being the water he was carrying for his old boss, the wannabee gunrunner Leland Yee, was particularly insightfull.

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Walt

21 August 2014

S.F. elitism is alive and well. First it was exempt from “clean air” standards for the longest time, now I find they are exempt from water cutbacks.
Too damned bad S.F.idiots didn’t win the vote to tear down Hetch Hechy.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/20/lawsuit-asks-san-francisco-to-share-pain-on-green-/

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George Rebane

21 August 2014

Everyone knows of Ferguson (but not what really happened there). Here is a recent killing showing the other side of the coin that no one wants to report. Another example of lamestream’s ‘balanced news’.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/black-cop-kills-white-man-media-hide-race/

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Todd Juvinall

21 August 2014

I posted that yesterday here and on my blog.

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Todd Juvinall

21 August 2014

Your Mark Meckler link is no good it appears.

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Paul Emery

21 August 2014

Todd
They are letting Schrub off the reservation for selected non political feel good events. That’s a good thing. Why do you think he was banished for Repub election conventions or fund raising events and speeches for candidates since leaving office? There were certainly no cheek to cheek photos with either McCain or Romney. He was as welcome as a turd in a hot tub. Contrast that with Bill Clinton.
I will acknowledge in advance that Obama will likely be shunned in the same way.

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Paul Emery

21 August 2014

George
I assume you regard WND as a credible news service.

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Walt

21 August 2014

Really Paul? Still on that Bush bashing? LOL!
Yup, ignoring facts given is going to score you points.
See my post above.” 20 August 2014 at 08:12 PM ”
Yet LIBS dug up Carter “the senile” and simpleton to help “O”
look good. Uh,, where is Carter now?
Christ!!,, “O” hit’s the microphone podium just before the 1ST tee time, and just before the 9TH hole.
Good God man. Give up that LIB “dog whistle”.
Now go and chew on Nancy Pelosi’s ankles about the double standard on water restrictions. ( S.F. doesn’t have any. )
When you meet Van Jones, get him to buy into Bigfoot, and push to have the big guy listed as “endangered”. ( lets see just how kooky the ECO clan can get)
What better way to get people outlawed from the National Forests?
If you play your cards right, you can scare the Mex. drug cartels out as well.
” A Giant El Chupacabra” roams the forests.
LIBS lie about everything else, so why not this?
BTW,, It’s no longer ” Bush’s fault”. That’s why Dems are going to be shown the door in Nov.

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Walt

21 August 2014

Paul had a non-pharmaceutical induced woody about Perry’s tangle with the law.
Well looky what comes out about “O”. Speaking of the BREAKING of laws,,,
http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/21/gao-obama-administration-broke-law-with-bergdahl-swamp/
Well Paul,, The “DC” not credible either? ( just because it’s not owned and operated by LIBS?)

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George Rebane

21 August 2014

PaulE 129pm – what an incredibly revealing question? Here are some other sources.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=dillon+taylor%2C+salt+lake+city%2C+officer+shooting

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Walt

21 August 2014

Paul. From WND
http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/black-cop-kills-white-man-media-hide-race/
WND was the one that shined the light on Ted Bundy and the BLM storm troopers.
Funny how LIBS always play the “non credible news outlet” card when light is shed on their double dealing.

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Paul Emery

21 August 2014

WND is not a credible news service. They were champions of the silly “birther” charges against Obama something that lacked all credibility under careful examination

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fish

21 August 2014

Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 August 2014 at 04:25 PM
News outlets championing silly and baseless charges….I’ve never heard of such a thing.

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Gregory

21 August 2014

“George, I assume you regard WND as a credible news service.”
I assume you wouldn’t attack the source if you had an actual argument against the inconsistency.
I ain’t george, but I see them as no less credible than CNN or PMSNBC.

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Walt

21 August 2014

But what about your Van Jones? He lost his W.H. job for being a “truther”!
There were PLENTY more on the birth cert. trail. Funny how NONE of “O”‘s records
have seen the light of day.
So questioning “O”‘s legality is your “proof”? I think that pony tail is tied a little too tight.

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fish

21 August 2014

It’s not like they were setting pickup trucks on fire like NBC back in the early nineties or just plain making shit up like Diana Greigo Erwin of the Sacbee a while back. Mainstream media….blameless always.
…and hey they do link to some interesting items….here’s a story that has charges of both racism and a photo of young Ben Emery during his adventuresome youth.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/nasa-training-warns-of-white-males/
I wonder why the space program didn’t work out for the lad?

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Walt

21 August 2014

Paul sure stepped “in it” again.. Just what is in that water at KVMR?

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Walt

21 August 2014

Our local LIBS loved IZZY Martin. So it’s pretty much a given that Izzy Warren
will be their new gal. She’s as needle bending Left as one could get. (well almost) Looks like the fake Indian will be the one the Left puts on the (pre punched) ticket. LIBS elected one liar to the post, why not another?

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George Rebane

21 August 2014

PaulE 425pm – So regardless of the verity of the report, it should be discounted because liberals consider the source discredited because they pursued Obama’s provenance, which by any measure has only received credible examination in the minds of his supporters, and those who saw the political price of continuing the pursuit as being too high. Regardless of his birthplace, anyone with his upbringing, education, record of achievements, and associations would not have been a credible candidate during a brighter age in America.
And I do stand with the comments that follow your 425pm sidestep of the WND report on the Utah shooting. (I presume you did not look up the other independent sources.)

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fish

21 August 2014

Shhhhhh……Stevie is lecturing on economics and culture over at Jeffry’s again!
Exactly Curtis.
I do agree whole-heartedly with Ben though that it is the economic system as it is perpetuated by conservatives that victimizes the working and increasingly middle classes.
This is exemplified best by how completely clueless our own local ‘conservatarians’ are about the concept of externalities in economics. In his charmingly and intentionally simplistic way George characterizes economic externalities as the person who choses to eat a hamburger; making a quintessentially normal activity the culprit.
Real negative economic externalities exist in our economic system as pollution, unfair labor practices, government subsidies, and systemic risks that society must pay for, freezing the producer to produce more of their product because they are freed from the social cost. It is the socialization of negative externalities for the benefit of the producer.
Real positive externalities exist from products and services as well, in the form of generally improved quality of life, education, value added, or perhaps improved public health.
The issue in economics is how we balance negative and positive externalities and the cost-benefit of our actions. That is what ‘policy’ and ‘taxation’ does. Any classical economist, from Friedman to Marx, would agree with this analysis. Only in the cartoon world of the ‘conservatarian’ is the negative externality celebrated as a property right and the positive as an entitlement.
In short conservatives, in classical economic terms, are bloated on systemic entitlements and are the true ‘welfare queens’, to use their own inherently racist term.
They are the very thing they claim to despise but too clueless to be self-loathing.
You are at your very best when “preaching”!
….and hey…..I’m plenty self loathing…..just not for any of your reasons.
As always…LOL.

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Walt

21 August 2014

We have seen what LIB economics can do. That’s why there are more takers than makers.
” Unemployment is good for the country” apparently so is welfare for all.
According to Stevie logic, if everyone was equally poor, things would be hunky dory.
” Have a squatter’s permit for that abandoned mine shaft?”

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Walt

21 August 2014

Think SBC could use an audit?

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Paul Emery

21 August 2014

George
I was not questioning the Utah story per se. I was only inquiring if you thought WND was a respectable and reliable news source based on their easily accessed journalistic history. You would have done the same thing had I used Ras Story for example as a messenger to further my opinion.
And George would you consider Sarah Palin to be that “credible candidate during a brighter age” as you put it.

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Paul Emery

21 August 2014

SP That’s Raw Story, an equivilant lefty site
http://www.rawstory.com/

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Todd Juvinall

21 August 2014

Lecturing on economics by Frisch is like Ben Emery being a credible candidate in ay election. No cred. Frisch stiffed the Feds about $250,000 of his employees taxes and drove his restaurant out of biz in Truckee. Would you listen to anything regarding economics from that lib? Too funny.
George, Paul cannot in good conscience equate the Utah shooting with the Ferguson shooting. That is why he has no cred in opinions. He should just be a news reader.

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Paul Emery

21 August 2014

Todd
I made no attempt to equate the two. Perhaps I will or perhaps I won’t. That was not the purpose of my response.

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fish

21 August 2014

I wonder what Friedman and Marx would say about this…..
Obamacare Manufacturing Facts: 85% of Firms Raise Premiums, 91% Raise Deductibles, 74% Raise Out of Pocket Maximum, 15% Decrease Employment
Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/08/obamacare-manufacturing-facts-85-of.html#G8wtSksGMFACiXuh.99
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/08/obamacare-manufacturing-facts-85-of.html

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Don Bessee

21 August 2014

History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illuminates reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. We just need to keep telling the truth. Has anyone seen the Apocalypse WW1 show on what is now the American Hero’s Channel? The narrative is disturbing. Thank you all for telling the truths that so many need to hear!

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fish

22 August 2014

In which a failed newspaperman attempts to tell real newspapermen how to do their job.
Where is the “silent majority” on The Union’s editorial board?
Posted on August 22, 2014 by jeffpelline
The Union’s new editorial board is being touted as revolutionary, largely because Stan Meckler and Reinette Senum — two political opposites that it regularly writes about — are brought together in the same room.
The Union publisher Jim Hemig brought their names up in his column to help make his point about political diversity.
But that’s not the point. The Union has to think more deeply about this exercise if it is to represent a “community table.”
Many of the people represented on the board are ones who are covered in the newspaper, or ones who write letters. But The Union has helped create their local “celebrity.” Others are business customers.
But there are tens of thousands, not just thousands, who are our “silent majority” of residents.
They don’t necessarily read The Union, and they might still be “celebrity” — national celebrities, in fact. I see their names on Facebook or other social media.
We also have a large percentage of residents who don’t vote or who don’t participate. They don’t have a seat at the table, but we’d like to hear from them. In fact, judging from the low voter turnout and unfilled seats for the upcoming election, we need them.
The newspaper needs to reach out to a much wider swath of residents who are influential in their own right.
Examples include educators, artists, video-tech engineers, entrepreneurs, health care workers and the like. Imagine the possibilities when you dig down into the fabric of our community. The “unsung heros,” not the local “headliners.”
The Union has become much too caught up in the political squabbling that gobbles up far too much space in its editorial pages — and news pages. It is largely irrelevant in most people’s day-to-day activities.
It would be a more compelling newspaper if it focused on covering the “silent majority” and bringing them to the table to participate. It would be a real and noteworthy achievement.
jeffy you are really just like the spoiled fat kid who is always upset at the conditions of his surroundings.

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Michael R. Kesti

22 August 2014

Only an extremely hard-left liberal would find fault in a newspaper for not including people who do not participate.

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Gregory

22 August 2014

“And George would you consider Sarah Palin to be that “credible candidate during a brighter age” as you put it.”
-Paul Emery
Paul, if you were discussing the issues rather than punching, you wouldn’t be bringing up Palin for anyone to denounce. NO ONE is bringing up Palin as a viable candidate for anything as far as I can tell. Yes, she is a speaker that preaches effectively to her choir, but then, so is Al Sharpton.

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fish

22 August 2014

Posted by: Michael R. Kesti | 22 August 2014 at 09:27 AM
I don’t think that his politics has anything to do with his endless complaining about the Union. It has everything to do with the fact that they canned him and he won’t let it go. If they received and published articles and letters to the editor that were all over the map he’d say…”..can’t we be a little more focused?!” because they have a pool of “interested” readers who seem to dominate the letters section and the paper seems to be (as they should) responsive to this to a degree jeffy carps …But that’s not the point. The Union has to think more deeply about this exercise if it is to represent a “community table.”
There’s nothing the Union could do that wouldn’t disappoint jeffy!

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Paul Emery

22 August 2014

George
Check out this photo about what can happen from overuse of ground water. No new regulations? Are you sure about that?
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/edu/learning/7_water_cycle/activities/media/question.jpg
In this photograph of California’s San Joaquin Valley, the dates on the pole mark the former heights of the ground. In the span of 50 years, water pumping for irrigation led to nearly 30 feet of subsidence.
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/edu/learning/7_water_cycle/activities/groundwater.html
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/edu/learning/7_water_cycle/activities/groundwater.html

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Michael R. Kesti

22 August 2014

Fish – 10:26 AM
I am in complete agreement with you, but it is still the mark of a hard-left liberal to blame a newspaper for not including those who do not participate.

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George Rebane

22 August 2014

PaulE 110pm – I’ve made no statements about groundwater from aquifers in the flatlands. Mountain groundwater for mostly residential use from fractured rock is a totally different situation. An aquifer is a commons, as is the air, and are the navigable waterways. Without some feedback mechanism in place to control the use of commons, they will be destroyed (cf. Garrett Hardin). The best way to husband a resource from a commons is to do away with the commons and pass the resource on to private ownership. But that is not always possible, so then we have need for enlightened government intervention. The enlightened part is usually hard to get. The civil servant idiots have a tendency to make ‘one size fits all’ rules that in this case will apply equally to mountains and the flats.

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Keen Observer

22 August 2014

In other news…our current administrations’ intelligent and assertive foreign policy has certainly invoked respect from other world powers, as evidenced here…
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-china-fighter-jet-intercept-20140822-story.html
I hate to even ask, but would this have happened under Romney, Bush, or even Clinton?
With as much as Obama is on the golf course, it would not behoove ISIS to strike the white house as they pledged, there is hardly a chance that they would catch the President sitting behind a desk these days. While the lamestream voters worry about the Kardashians and the exact date the next monthly check arrives, nations whom still believe in self-reliance gear up to fill the vacuum once occupied by our once proud nation.

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